ok im going to chuck a few $$$ at the magna, just looking for ideas....


im thinking.... option one

supercharger kit and airbag suspension...

or

supercharger, coilovers, custom interior

or

supercharger, custom interior sunroof


who has a supercharger on an awd and whats it go like, is it stock, and what have you beaten??

i was thinking with the sprintex kit, hows a higher boost pulley bigger tb, extractors custom exhaust piggy back and custom tune etc... what kinda kw at the motor would it see.... cos the kit gives 225kw and thats no where near enough..... i dont care about the warranty.... but i'd like a kinda relaible combo... dont really wanna spend more than 10k.... sorry but i dont want turbos.... so they are outta the question.... i like the idea of the off the shelf kit with a few tweaks.... is 250+kw possible.... id really be happy with 260+ on 98petrol...


thanks...


and it goes without saying that the brakes suspension will be matched to the engine....

well judging buy the size of your wheels, im sure ur not overly fussed on handling through the twisties, so coilovers is abit dumb.

hence why i would go for the supercharger and airbags

$10k? Supercharger kit will set you back $7k alone. Throw a piggyback and tune ontop of that and you're looking at $8.5k already. Coilovers, brakes, extractors, zorst, TB, labour - you're now looking at close to $20k.

With your rims and tyres tho you won't be able to enhance the handling all that much - they're completely impractical. I'd forget about power and put airbags on it and make it a show car.

forget the money.... and regarding the handeling.... see the unofficial great ocean road cruise... my awd with rooted shocks crap wheels and povo tyres and spastic springs handles pretty impressivley.... looked like i had POGO shocks in it lol... i'd say all thanx to the awd.... but yeah...

what kinda blower is the sprintex? just looking at a commodore site and using the M90 and 21psi they are getting 11's:nuts:

but i dont wanna go that fast... just V8 grunt in my V6 magna and i'll be happy... somedays my car flys others it's slow and fat and ugly, like my ex...

i was considering cams etc... but after going down that road before, im thinking the s/c and when the motor grenades, new one... easy!

DOGG1ES (I think that's his nic) has a supercharged AWD and he swears by it. The Sprintex one runs 15's, so it's not V8 fast really. I dunno... going a supercharger kinda limits your options, because Sprintex won't let you mod the car after the install is done AND keep your warranty.

If I had an AWD and money wasn't a problem I'd definately get twin turbos. Then you can go nuts with power and there's no limitations.

option 4- interior, sun roof and bag it...

what kinda blower is the sprintex?

Twin Screw blower. By all accounts, not very efficient over 10psi. The sprintex kit has some major limitations when it comes to pushing more power thru it. The main issue is that the blower itself is basically between the throttlebody and the intake manifold - which makes intercooling the air charge extremely tricky, if not impossible.

There are no other commercially available S/C kits available for these cars - so I don't like your chances of getting any other sort of S/C intalled / tuned etc for less than 10k.

Yeah I say stuff the performance... you wont be able to use much of it anyway with your setup.

I would go interior, airbags and maybe a nice bodykit. You wont have any left of 10k after that.

as BB said you wont get much out of the spintrex kit. these kit are just to increase the performance of a stock car slightly. with the SC most you will get on a AWD is bout 170 atw. i think thats wat the TL AWD the spintrex did got and it had extractors and custom CAI with 3" zorst i think. if you wanna get power and really take some cars off the road NA rebuild with the help of laughing gas would be the way or turbo.

good example of a NA car is cthulhu with 207KW atw with some massive mods

go turbo or NA man

i did have another option.... just for fun.... just some ralliart of mild cams... the auto and awd will not be big cam happy!!! e manage and the usual mods..... yeah minimal gains!!! but.... feed it un unhealthy ammount of nos... only on occasions such as the upcoming heathcote day....!! and when it grenades rebuild it stock but able to cope with the nos more frequentley... an example of this is i know someone in canada whos car runs mid 15's in street trim... but on the track and with a crapload of nos it runs mid 12's!! its a regualar driver and only on the bottle for 1/4 mile passes.... but that sounds good to me too...

i dont wanna go turbos for only one reason again forgetting the money i mentioned 10k just as a figure for the sprintex kit + some extras... the reason is..... in insane!! soo 8psi boost is good... well 20zillion psi is better if you get my drift... 10 min later im standing on the side of the road next to a piece of charcoal...:bowrofl:

my first mod is going to be the bags... i was getting coilovers... but i cant be stuffed adjusting the height all the time... then i'll see from there... cos i know several awesome trimmers and might end up doing the interior.... but i really wouldnt mind some more midrange oomph... i want a grand tourer not a rocket sled...

i hope u've factored in the fact that airbags are gonna add about 400kg to ur car.....

ur not makin much sense dude. u say u want speed but ur gonna put in airbags and uve got 20's.
u want ur car to handle but u want airbags and uve got 20's.

AWD or not dude, all the things u want to do to ur car are not realistic. its like wanting to have a drink but sewing ur mouth shut.....

fair enough, with enough money anything is possible, but how many kidneys do u want to sell before u achieve it?

Boost it, buy some bags then sell those 20's and go the 18's

nah man i said i dont care how it handles... and it's already good... i have discussed in length with the bag man and it's all good...it wont be an old style kit that transfers air on corners.. also it's lucky to add on 50kg max... dont know where your getting 400kgs from... maybe the 15 extra subs in the boot... they run a small 4gal tank and compressor in the boot the lines and wiring plus a few mods...

and just cos ppl keep pissing me off.... with 20's **** springs **** shocks **** everything, it will still outhandle a stock fwd magna... dont believe me... take it for a drive and see!!

the supercharger idea has been shelved till the airbags are done... and i look into the ripp kit and findout if dads mate who is an engineer can modify it to suit..

you said screw blower before??? dosent victor bray have a screw on the chev lol for what it's worth i still reckon the kit is good, but looking at what capa has for fords/holdens it's way overpriced... you can get a kit for a ford/holden 6 for 4K... that apparently gives 300kw @ the motor

yeah man go with the bags... it will look a billion bucks on 20's when u drop it on its butt....

and just cos ppl keep pissing me off.... with 20's **** springs **** shocks **** everything, it will still outhandle a stock fwd magna... dont believe me... take it for a drive and see!!
This might be true, but put some King low springs and KYB shocks in a standard FWD magna and it'll give yours a good run for it's money. But conversely, put some 18's on yours with sensible suspension and you'd be handling like an EVO.

you said screw blower before??? dosent victor bray have a screw on the chev lol for what it's worth i still reckon the kit is good, but looking at what capa has for fords/holdens it's way overpriced... you can get a kit for a ford/holden 6 for 4K... that apparently gives 300kw @ the motor

Don't quote me on any of this lol , but I believe a "twin screw" blower is classed as a roots type supercharger (no idea exactly what that means but anyway). The S/C's used on most Group A drag cars are roots type s/c's.

I think you'll find this is where the similarities end. The sprintex kit is designed to be a reliable power increase, nothing earth shattering (will definetly not turn your car into a top doorslammer). I think of it as the sort of thing you would get if you were 90% happy with the standard performance of a magna, but you also do a lot of towing.

And yes - I know what you mean about seeing ads for capa kits in magazines about being able to s/c a LSI for $6000 or whatever it is.

The CAPA kits use an LS1 edit and a very crude water injection system to keep temperatures in check - also, it is a LOT easier to mount an SC on an LS1.

These use centrafugal blowers which require serious RPM to get going - roots blowers produce boost (and hence extra torque) earlier.

Remember - KW's light christmas trees and sell cars. Going from 159Kw to 225 seems like a little jump (only 66Kw) BUT torque is increased from 330 to 440Nm (YIKES) and is moved far earlier into the low rpm range.

Torque makes a car fun to drive and wins races.

Cheers
Heath Young

Awesome post heath!

Torque makes a car fun to drive and wins races.



Or in the case of a 5spd manual FWD, it spins wheels at more than 3/4 throttle in 1st and 2nd gear. Which makes winning races against similarly powered RWD cars very difficult.

I have been told by a sc installer that this kit (http://www.alpine-developments.us/scstage2upg.html) should basically bolt right onto a 3rd gen magna with little modification. The kit comes with full installation instruction for do it yourself install allowing you to add your own pulley etc. I was also told by the same guy that this is the base kit that RPW was working on for the magna.

I was thinking of doing this on a new awd, but I think im going to just buy a wrx sti, stock standard it will beat any modified magna off the line and around a track for cheaper and less work.

But if you really want to stick with the magna setup I would recommend this kit with some engine work before hand.

Or in the case of a 5spd manual FWD, it spins wheels at more than 3/4 throttle in 1st and 2nd gear. Which makes winning races against similarly powered RWD cars very difficult.

Im going to disagree with you there.

Front wheels have the weight of the engine on top giving them a clear grip advantage over rwd front mounted engines. On top of that cornering in a fwd may feel awkward and unbalanced, but pulling out of a corner in a fwd will leave any rwd behind. Choosing your power direction in a corner without power sliding is also an advantage. In my opinion a FWD driven properly can out race any rwd of similar power/torque.

You also have less drivetrain power loss, less throttle lag and less weight which all can change the times in a lap.

I know this from my experience in racing my fwd corolla in off road rally events.

Im going to disagree with you there.

Front wheels have the weight of the engine on top giving them a clear grip advantage over rwd front mounted engines. On top of that cornering in a fwd may feel awkward and unbalanced, but pulling out of a corner in a fwd will leave any rwd behind. Choosing your power direction in a corner without power sliding is also an advantage. In my opinion a FWD driven properly can out race any rwd of similar power/torque.

You also have less drivetrain power loss, less throttle lag and less weight which all can change the times in a lap.

I know this from my experience in racing my fwd corolla in off road rally events.


you must be joking?

Don't quote me on any of this lol , but I believe a "twin screw" blower is classed as a roots type supercharger (no idea exactly what that means but anyway). The S/C's used on most Group A drag cars are roots type s/c's.

I think you'll find this is where the similarities end. The sprintex kit is designed to be a reliable power increase, nothing earth shattering (will definetly not turn your car into a top doorslammer). I think of it as the sort of thing you would get if you were 90% happy with the standard performance of a magna, but you also do a lot of towing.

And yes - I know what you mean about seeing ads for capa kits in magazines about being able to s/c a LSI for $6000 or whatever it is.


no, I think I will quote you!
The Sprintex is a Lysholm blower which is different to the rootes, g-lader, vane, centrifugal etc etc. It is an internal compression blower.
Top end drag cars use Lysholm...depending on the rules.

Twin Screw blower. By all accounts, not very efficient over 10psi. The sprintex kit has some major limitations when it comes to pushing more power thru it. The main issue is that the blower itself is basically between the throttlebody and the intake manifold - which makes intercooling the air charge extremely tricky, if not impossible.

There are no other commercially available S/C kits available for these cars - so I don't like your chances of getting any other sort of S/C intalled / tuned etc for less than 10k.


Laminova?...tis used by mercedes in the supercharged 55 between the blower and the engine...

you must be joking?

no i am not joking, please explain otherwise

hmmm... well im goint to be on air first then, boost later, thats the plan now...

i was seriously concidering cams etc... today, and even if i can get the same KW n/a as supercharged i wont get the torque increase that was mentioned... and only 310nm in a 1600+kg car is pretty piss poor.... my val was 1400kg and had 480nm....


also dyno gurus whats NM @ the wheels how do you work that out to NM at the fly, cos my old 265 punched out 650mn @ 2700 atw in top gear with 3.23 diff running like crap...

no i am not joking, please explain otherwise

I'm sorry, I must be imagining the fact that clubsports and xr6T's pull away from me with minimal wheelspin from a standing start while I'm wrestling trying to get grip in 2nd and sometimes 3rd gear :nuts:

I'm sorry, I must be imagining the fact that clubsports and xr6T's pull away from me with minimal wheelspin from a standing start while I'm wrestling trying to get grip in 2nd and sometimes 3rd gear :nuts:

thats alright....just dont do it again :P


i think bb would know, he has a blown magna so he knows first hand what is, and what is not, true...

Im going to disagree with you there.

Front wheels have the weight of the engine on top giving them a clear grip advantage over rwd front mounted engines. On top of that cornering in a fwd may feel awkward and unbalanced, but pulling out of a corner in a fwd will leave any rwd behind. Choosing your power direction in a corner without power sliding is also an advantage. In my opinion a FWD driven properly can out race any rwd of similar power/torque.

You also have less drivetrain power loss, less throttle lag and less weight which all can change the times in a lap.

I know this from my experience in racing my fwd corolla in off road rally events.

When you put your foot down in a FWD, the centre of gravity shifts to the rear of the vehicle, over the rear wheels. Hence why Magna's suffer from terrible wheel spin...

When you put your foot down in a FWD, the centre of gravity shifts to the rear of the vehicle, over the rear wheels. Hence why Magna's suffer from terrible wheel spin...
Lifting the front up....do that in a RWD...and the *** end drops putting more weight to the rear......man im an idiot and even i knew that:nuts:

no i am not joking, please explain otherwise

well in all sealed surface events where the drive wheels are free rwd has a significant traction advantage.

Lets not go into this FWD,RWD,AWD crap again, its been done to death. So how much are you looking at for bags? And what sort of height adjustment do you get?

When you put your foot down in a FWD, the centre of gravity shifts to the rear of the vehicle, over the rear wheels. Hence why Magna's suffer from terrible wheel spin...

Yes thats true, in a straight tarmac line rwd have more weight on the drive wheels then fwd. I havent had much experience in this, when it comes to dirt motorkhana track with sharp slow moving corners or just straight accelerating on dirt, fwd get more weight from the engine then the slow weight shift in a rwd on a loose surface. In other words the rwd relies on traction in the first place to get the down force, where as the pulling force of the fwd wont shift the weight nearly as much as a rwd.

and just cos ppl keep pissing me off.... with 20's **** springs **** shocks **** everything, it will still outhandle a stock fwd magna... dont believe me... take it for a drive and see!!

Shame you're overseas, I'd take you up on that.

Shame you're overseas, I'd take you up on that.

His profile lies, he is actually in Victoria.

Ah well...still too far away.

So how much are you looking at for bags? And what sort of height adjustment do you get?


they seem to think it should cost no more than $5500 all up, but im going to get a few options maybe... and i dont know the height adjustment havent checked, but it will give me atleast a 2-3drop from current height to a lift that would give a 3-4 finger gap maybe 6-8" full range.... best ting is i can drive at 100mm all legal and flick switches and piss about when i feel like it not legal whilst vehicle is in motion.... im going to talk to an engineer and apparently the kit will be automaticly engineered providing it had auto level, which will be installed, but im going to get the load rating reduced so the 20"s will be 100% legal and insureable..... i know ppl who have dont this before and i have delt with the engineer before, i dont think it will be a problem as my tyres are soooo close to factory specs and load rating, the rims exceed it soo not to many worries there i dont think...

Im going to disagree with you there.

Front wheels have the weight of the engine on top giving them a clear grip advantage over rwd front mounted engines. On top of that cornering in a fwd may feel awkward and unbalanced, but pulling out of a corner in a fwd will leave any rwd behind. Choosing your power direction in a corner without power sliding is also an advantage. In my opinion a FWD driven properly can out race any rwd of similar power/torque.

You also have less drivetrain power loss, less throttle lag and less weight which all can change the times in a lap.

I know this from my experience in racing my fwd corolla in off road rally events.

L O L W T F !

like everyone else said.. you gotta be joking mate...

As for teh FWD comment, then why don't any performance cars feature FWD? I seem to recal that the V8 supercars are RWD?

As for the air bags, awesome!

As for teh FWD comment, then why don't any performance cars feature FWD? I seem to recal that the V8 supercars are RWD?

As for the air bags, awesome!

if you call a commodore a performance car you might as well call a magna one... pure australian attitude that makes them race... but i like still

:spam: :tantrum: :bash: :soapbox: :disgusted

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']man im an idiot

we know...

As for teh FWD comment, then why don't any performance cars feature FWD? I seem to recal that the V8 supercars are RWD?

As for the air bags, awesome!
They do. Look at the touring cars in Britian. Alfa Romeo still make FWD sports cars, and AUDI did too up until the quatro system.

if you call a commodore a performance car you might as well call a magna one... pure australian attitude that makes them race... but i like still

A commodore is not a performance car, but then again, what you see on the race track is pretty much just a commodore looking shell.


They do. Look at the touring cars in Britian. Alfa Romeo still make FWD sports cars, and AUDI did too up until the quatro system.

Sports cars, but not racing cars.

did you ask if you have to get your guards pumped? i got told depending on the size of the rims, it may be recomended.

Sports cars, but not racing cars.
You asked for "performance cars which are FWD". I stated a few. Even the little Renaut Megane, ralliart colt, a few others like Ford Mondeo ST 220, Mazda 3 MPS. All these could be considered "performance cars"

As for teh FWD comment, then why don't any performance cars feature FWD? I seem to recal that the V8 supercars are RWD?
Cos the supercars have to be RWD with a 5L V8 to comply with the rules:roll: .

I can see where Biggs is coming from. In my relatively limited experience, I would much prefer a FWD car on tight dirt tracks as you can 'pull' the car though the turn rather than having the rear wheels pushing.

It all comes down to the right suspension setups and weight distribution.

With the airbag option, what type of shockers are used? Do they have electronically controlled bound/rebound rates like the KR magnas did? If it did then that would give a pretty nice ride setup.

there are alot of fwd sports cars


FTO is of the mitsu variety but the main ones include the hondas .... drive a new model integra... that would change ur mind bout fwd sports cars

CLOSE THIS THREAD PLEASE....

I will post pics in a new thread when the kit is installed (early december)

As for teh FWD comment, then why don't any performance cars feature FWD? I seem to recal that the V8 supercars are RWD?

As for the air bags, awesome!

There are many FWD race cars, the japs love the integra type-r and competes in many events ovet there. Alot of british racing has fwd cars. Ive competed in Rallycross events with more fwd then rwd entries.

http://research.cars.com/go/crp/buyingGuides/Story.jsp?year=2006&section=Sports&subject=Sports&story=highperformance

All either RWD or AWD, FWD may be nice in a rally car, but really, I would take a RWD over a FWD anyway.