anyone who owns a manual tj experience crunching between 1st & 2nd?

sounds like your syncromesh in 2nd is gone, but that can't be right if it's a TJ, its brand new!

someone been doing too many burnouts and slappin into 2nd :oops:

i have a TR and when its still cold, if i dont double clutch or match the revs when going up from 1st to 2nd it will crunch. But i've got it all sussed now :D

Am i right in saying Synthetic oils are crappy when still cold? And mineral are the same when cold/warmedup?

Tried using a clutch??

haha - sorry - jokes!

My TH will have a small crunch into 2nd while the gearbox oil is still cold (fully sysnthetic) but once it has warmed up the gears change easily.

Does it only happen when cold or all the time??

Manual

Tried using a clutch??

haha - sorry - jokes!

My TH will have a small crunch into 2nd while the gearbox oil is still cold (fully sysnthetic) but once it has warmed up the gears change easily.

Does it only happen when cold or all the time??

Manual someone else also suggested using the clutch and now that I do, it still crunches :) Yes it happens all the time. Unless I'm really gentle and the clutch is all the way home, it will crunch

Tried using a clutch??
Manual
There is actualy an art in silent gear changes without using the clutch, motorbikers can do it very well if the learn how to. I can do it in the olds XR6 with its T5 box, and am alright at the charade too. good for nothing really but something to master if u loose your left leg in a horrible steam roller accident

[quote:c68de21ee1="Manual"]Tried using a clutch??
Manual
There is actualy an art in silent gear changes without using the clutch, motorbikers can do it very well if the learn how to. I can do it in the olds XR6 with its T5 box, and am alright at the charade too. good for nothing really but something to master if u loose your left leg in a horrible steam roller accident[/quote:c68de21ee1]haha thats all well and good up shifting. id love to see you try and pull up quickly from 80 to a dead stop when theres an accident in front of you without using your clutch! chances are your at least gonna loose your other leg too!

There is actualy an art in silent gear changes without using the clutch, motorbikers can do it very well if the learn how to. I can do it in the olds XR6 with its T5 box, and am alright at the charade too. good for nothing really but something to master if u loose your left leg in a horrible steam roller accident
I mastered that aswell in my laser, it's not exactly the best thing for the gearbox though :lol:

anyone who owns a manual tj experience crunching between 1st & 2nd?

Welcome to the world of manual Magnas. My TH started doing it after the first gearbox oil change, and now (at 125000km) it just won't go ingo 2nd when cold (clutch is almost shagged too, so that doesn't help). Luckily it has enough torque to handle the 1st-3rd shuffle.

Magna synchros are made out of edam cheese.

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And that's something to be proud of, how exactly?

I mastered that aswell in my laser, it's not exactly the best thing for the gearbox though :lol:

If you mastered it then it wont be wearing anything in the gearbox, it would actually be better than when using a clutch, you wouldnt wear your clutch you wouldnt wear the synchro's, the gears simply pop into place because the revs / gearbox speed are perfectly matched.

spot on samurai. all high level racing car drivers dont even touch the clutch up shifting, but like i said, trying it down shifting is a completely different story

had the same problem when i first got my tj. Slowly faded away though.

ok i have te 5spd with a tj gear box it had only done 1200 km this box and it has a slight chrunching niose betwenn 1&2nd it may be just it going in to gear i dont know but i dont worry about it

TE with a TJ gear box? That will be interesting. Let us know if you notice any difference with the first gear as it's changed.

ok i will for sure i notice a slight click niose just little crunchy niose but friends of mine also have tj and thiers dose the same niose manual so just might be just common

Nah, I mean the gear ratio has changed. I think they made it taller as the 3.5 engine has more torque. I'm just thinking it may feel a little under powered with yours being the 3.0.

Dont know if anyone has said this...
But check your engine mounts.
On My TF Manual atm it clunks second and also pops out as well....
but most of the engine mounts are non existant :(

Haydn

If it doesn't crunch when you fully press the clutch to the floor, it is most likelly the syncros, had this problem in a TM I used to have, mine wouldn't even engage second unless the clutch was mashed into the carpet :D

Dont know if anyone has said this...
But check your engine mounts.
On My TF Manual atm it clunks second and also pops out as well....
but most of the engine mounts are non existant :(

Haydn

sure did they were all ****ed but thank god for warranty

yeah i was not sure on mine beein 3.0 litre if their was a ratio diffrance it has not mad no effect to power i think it is little quicker 1st and 2nd but my te will be the first am te 5 spd with 3.5 i think :?

I can honestly say no one has stressed a manuel gearbox like me :lol:

But no problems with synchros.

The gearboxes are very sensitive to oils though we found that using a 75w85 synthetic oil that we always got good shifting results.

If it is hard shifting in the mornings only then that is deifnitly the oil not lubricating properly and is a commen problem with the wrong oil.

The other way to fix it is very simple

buy a RPW Quick Shifter. Garauntee to reduce shifting movement and give a better feel for where the gears are and where they engage through teh shifter. Definitly helps stop those crunching problems changing gears.

If you don't like them - then you can return th emodified shifter and money back no questions asked (Except for freight charges).

Can't beat that as an option.

We recently slipped :p a quickshifter into Manuels car so we can all ask him for an unbiased opinion of it :D

Spot on Dave. as they say oils aint oils, castrol aint oil lol

Oil can make a huge difference, even a small change in oil. Especially if the problem is when the oil is cold.

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Should I be concered that I have your old diff in my car? :)

NO because I went straight to the lsd WHEN WE went to the turbo so your safe :lol:

phhhew :D