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turbo_charade
21-12-2003, 10:48 AM
Anyone got a fully programable after market ECU for there magna here? No one seems to recomend them for a performance upgrade? Magnas are fairly detuned as stock i would imagine. I know the TP's are, having worked on an ecu from one.
..GONE..
21-12-2003, 11:40 AM
BOoya has the Haltech for his Magna and he got some nice gains with that! But I recommend not getting a Haltech because then BOoya will chuck up a fuss about people copying him. :p
SuFz :evil:
BOosted' BOoya
21-12-2003, 12:06 PM
hey there mate,
what exactly did you want to know?? when i did my Haltech i started with 141.1hp @ wheels (stock) and without not a single modification asside from the haltech, it peaked at 181.4 or something 8) so i picked up 40 horses just by changing the ECU and tuning.
ive since added some more bits n pieces, and retuned again, and now cranking at 198.7 or something like that (ill find that dyno sheet somewhere)
more info on what was done, and the complexities we came across, visit my website: http://www.booyamotorsport.com and have a look around. There is a specific page detailing the problems and whatever not we encountered.
or feel free to message me :D
Ben.
turbo_charade
21-12-2003, 03:11 PM
I was just wondering why not many people do it? Its pretty standard when you want big power. Look at your increase for instance, when you can pull 40 odd bhp from 1500 dollars worth and a weekend of playing around. Im all for them, recomended mod in my book. Its alot more expencive if you dont know what your doing tho!
And thats on a NA ;)
..GONE..
21-12-2003, 03:33 PM
[quote:21f19329ef]Its alot more expencive if you dont know what your doing tho!
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Hence why it cost BOoya an arm and a leg.. :p
SuFz :evil:
Redav
21-12-2003, 04:12 PM
...when you can pull 40 odd bhp from 1500 dollars worth and a weekend of playing around
Yeah, cost much more than that. Plus it took 3 months for it to be sorted.
BOosted' BOoya
21-12-2003, 05:40 PM
ROFL
ahahhaha
yep, cos no one knew what they were doing (its never been done on a magna/verada/diamante before ever!) the process took 3 months of vehicle FULLY off the road :(, and close to 4,500 bucks!!!
but its all rectified now with my sponsorship :D
turbo_charade
21-12-2003, 07:37 PM
[quote:3fcd4c1932="turbo_charade"]...when you can pull 40 odd bhp from 1500 dollars worth and a weekend of playing around
Yeah, cost much more than that. Plus it took 3 months for it to be sorted.[/quote:3fcd4c1932]
must be easyer on 13bt's and rb20's:roll:. ive hooked them up and had them running in a day each. Not tuned well but driving enough to get em home and out of my car port . I do admit it was with help and a few guides on the net. without that would be quite a hassel, nice wun with the 3.5 :) ill be asking alot of questions soon about how it was done
Redav
21-12-2003, 08:19 PM
must be easyer on 13bt's and rb20's:roll:. ive hooked them up and had them running in a day each. Not tuned well but driving enough to get em home and out of my car port . I do admit it was with help and a few guides on the net. without that would be quite a hassel, nice wun with the 3.5 :) ill be asking alot of questions soon about how it was done
Hmm... well, if you're handy with this stuff you might have some success. I think it was mainly harness issues and some other bits and pieces but Booyas the man.
And the Haltechs don't work on the autos, so, get yerself a real Magna :lol:
Madmagna
22-12-2003, 05:11 AM
Comparing 13b turbo with the magna is not really fair as booya pretty much re wired the entire ems.
I too, while in business fitted many 13bt, 12at and others like fj20 etc. At first I used tha Microtech however got sick of having to have a screwdriver handy every time the outside temp changed so switched to the wolf and had them running in a few hours. Keep in mind though that an RX3 or Bluebird has far less systems than a more modern car like a Magna.
The reason not many do this besides cost is legality.
As far as the EPA are concerned if the ECU is adjustable it is non compliant and thus you could end up with an EPA defect, if they know it is there of course. There are ways to make the Haltech, Wolf etc fit into the factory box and also use the factory loom it is just complicated :D
Redav
22-12-2003, 08:58 AM
The reason not many do this besides cost is legality.
As far as the EPA are concerned if the ECU is adjustable it is non compliant and thus you could end up with an EPA defect, if they know it is there of course. There are ways to make the Haltech, Wolf etc fit into the factory box and also use the factory loom it is just complicated :D
Not to mention it runs on a fixed fuel curve and not the factory open / closed loop setup.
BOosted' BOoya
22-12-2003, 09:13 AM
:oops:
ahahah. looks like there is NO WAY in living HELL i could ever get the booya to be street legal!! ahahhah..
it appears ill be running from the inspectors for the rest of my life :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
too many defects i could list.. just too many!!
im da man 8)
"Aussiemagnas most illegal street Magna" :lol: :lol:
Mitsiman
22-12-2003, 10:01 AM
With the magna's RPW has done a lot of homework with the greddy e-manage systems and I can say without a doubt that we it can create as much horsepower with the greddy as we can with a haltech for the majority of street cars that want to retain there driveability as well as power.
Our TT Magna does everything with the greddy e-manage with no dramas on tuning.
Of course it has taken us a lot of time to work out how to do it but now that its done I cannot recomend it enough.
The haltech is a great option - RPW supplied the kit to Booya as well as we worked the issues it had with the ignition system etc but that is an extreme application to be honest and specifically for manuels.
Unless you are going to the extereme - the Greddy is a better option for you and cheaper with less hassles.
Redav
22-12-2003, 10:22 AM
Unless you are going to the extereme - the Greddy is a better option for you and cheaper with less hassles.
Or not using a MAF, is that right?
BOosted' BOoya
22-12-2003, 10:26 AM
and i would also like to thank Dave from RPW for helping sort out the 3 month drama 8)
i think we both didnt know what we were playing with :lol:
[quote:d51e9c9587]extreme application [/quote:d51e9c9587]
i like it.. "Extreme GOld Magna"! haha.
petemal2000
22-12-2003, 11:02 AM
I was at one stage looking for an aftermarket ecu for my ts, Stoped Thinking about it once i bought my exa though, gunna spend the money on that instead, either way i was looking at either the haltek E6k or a wolf3d v4, I was leaning towards the haltec mainly because the guy i was gunna get to tune it had more experience with them, Both would have cost me about the same but the wolf would have worked out more for dyno tuning.
if an ecu came up at a decent price then i would probably get it but i cant really justify 1500 bux + Tuning for a new Ecu for the magna right now
Still trying to decide what to put in my exa though :)
MAGNA
22-12-2003, 11:42 AM
Still trying to decide what to put in my exa though :)
Not that ugly box looking exa? Not bad power/weight ratio though with the 1.5t engine - pulsar et is a better car on the eye though.
The '88 exa onwards - nice look, targa top too! :D
turbo_charade
22-12-2003, 02:23 PM
I hear wolf's are shit house, ive only heard bad things about them. Any comments about that, never used one before or even seen one
petemal2000
22-12-2003, 02:25 PM
Yeh its one of the little box ones, gunna rebuild it from the ground up so it should be good, hoping it will be able to run 13's by the time im finished :D
turbo_charade
27-12-2003, 02:30 PM
Yeh its one of the little box ones, gunna rebuild it from the ground up so it should be good, hoping it will be able to run 13's by the time im finished :D
Drag racing for dick.
Drag racing is about money, how fast can you afford to go?
PSI_GTSII
01-01-2004, 12:26 PM
[quote:813b9e7161]I hear wolf's are shit house, ive only heard bad things about them. Any comments about that, never used one before or even seen one[/quote:813b9e7161]
I have run INJEC on an FJ20T, WOLF 3Dv3 on an SR20DET, and currently WOLF 3D v4 on my RB30ET.
Don't believe everything you here, WOLF are currently the most popular aftermarket ECU, so they can't be that bad, but makes them an easy target for Knockers :roll:
The lastest version has heaps of features, for far less than comparable systems, as well as a very usefull Handcontroller/ Virtual dashboard included.
As long as there tuned correctly you will have no dramas, mine starts first time everytime (Cold or Not) idles smoothly, and produces good fuel economy.
Having sad all that if you can get away with using Factory ECU do it, especially on an NA motor....ie 95% Magnas, as the cost will not be worth the HP benefit....my Wolf was $2500 fitted and tuned
[quote:813b9e7161]Drag racing for dick.
Drag racing is about money, how fast can you afford to go?[/quote:813b9e7161]
As is the rest of Motorsport :D :p
turbo_charade
04-01-2004, 10:34 PM
As is the rest of Motorsport :D :p
Matched HP sprints and hill climbs are awesome motorsport. Takes skill and alot of precision to drive consistant. Thats what the charade is being build up for. It will be with the NA 4's no doubt tho :lol: :lol:
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