Hey guys, i will hoepfully soon me getting Parra's hoepfully and i have decided that i will be installing blue VISION Lights with them, since atm i don't think i've got enough lights with my current globes espially when driving in mt and country driving, i'm not changing til i get the parras, just wondering what you think aBOUT Blue VISION Lights?

Hey guys, i will hoepfully soon me getting Parra's hoepfully and i have decided that i will be installing blue version globes with them, since atm i don't think i've got enough lights with my current globes, i'm not changing til i get the parras, just wondering what you think aBOUT Blue verion lights?

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VISION Lights

They are very good just dont get the illigal ones
and dont touch the globe when putting them in either

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VISION Lights

They are very good just dont get the illigal ones
and dont touch the globe when putting them in either

Yeah the oil from you fingers (stuff that leaves finger prints)
Creates hot spots and kills your globes

Some info on bulb types etc can be found here.

http://www.danielsternlighting.com/home.html

Osram Silverstars or Phillips Vision Plus FTW!

iv got phillips blue vision on my car atm and seriously i cant tell the diff between that and factory. it seems the brightness is still the same but the light is a bit more whiter.

to me its a waste of $62

before you pour your money, I had diamond visions and it did not last a year in country driving.

So you sure you want to spend that much for the fancy white light?

They are nice but may not last.

if your serious about the country driving, and your not just using this as an excuse with the misses to spend $500 on your car.

Forget the Paras.

The paras are ****, and i think you will find alot of people who have had them actually prefer the light output of the standard lens assembly.

If you need more light, update your globes yes.

But then get a set of Spotties. Aka Hella or Narva are decent brands.

This will be more beneficial to your country driving

i would have to agree, the vision plus do make a noticable 'brighter' difference. the blue, doesnt exist because the blue parkers do not fit intothe globe assembly on paras. they are the wedge globes that are used in rear lic plate lights.

As stated, the foggies would help. Yet the beam pattern in 3rd gen paras suck, so the difference wont be all that much better in the long range with foggies anyway.

do as i did, fork out the $$ and see for yourself. you'll enjoy it for the 1st 3 nights of driving, then you realise it aint that much greater!

if your serious about the country driving, and your not just using this as an excuse with the misses to spend $500 on your car.

Forget the Paras.

The paras are ****, and i think you will find alot of people who have had them actually prefer the light output of the standard lens assembly.

If you need more light, update your globes yes.

But then get a set of Spotties. Aka Hella or Narva are decent brands.

This will be more beneficial to your country driving


couldnt agree more.....

you might wanna talk to "heathyoung", who can explain in greater detail... and i mean IN GREAT DETAIL about the problems with parabolics and light outputs....

Me i'm happy with the parra's after i had the adjusted by the local Mitsu dealer. I got the fac mitsu H7 lights from the dealer and i have no probs with the lamps.

Get a set of 160W or something off Ebay. Yes, many of those can be crappy globes, but you can get very good ones too at a very reasonable price! I got a set of H1's and H4's, the H4's being 160w/130W and the H1's being 130W. That is equivalent output, they don't suck 160W don't worry! They're much brighter than normal. I've driven through 2 RBT's and night and driven past police cars in the city plenty of times, so as far as they know they're just the philips ones whatever. If you're worried about their durability get two sets of each, but I have never had a problem with them!

A mate who does a lot of night driving got H1's and H4's that are Maruta (Japan) off Ebay and he loves them, he would have racked up 10's of thousands by now, in the last 2 years. He just likes going for a cruise at night and easily racks up a couple of hundred a week doing so (thats night driving just for the sake of it). The four globes cost him 20 bucks, and they crap all over the standard globes.

Are these in the plastic parra's cause they will melt the lens and make go really dull looking, I recommend using the 65watt globe any more than that and your running into trouble

Are these in the plastic parra's cause they will melt the lens and make go really dull looking, I recommend using the 65watt globe any more than that and your running into trouble
I agree

I used to use cheap asian crap globes which were 100 - 130w globes and they just died every 3 months. So i went out and bought some philips crystal vision. Best damn things i ever bought. Lasted me 3 years.

Best bet is to go for aftermarket foglights. It will make the best difference in country driving. Dont really need it in city/suburban driving.

Read the headlamp FAQ! :)

Parabolics do not have sufficient side illumination (ie. flare) for night driving on darkened roads. Most people end up using fog lamps because (even though they are illegal to use when there is no fog) they give some side spill.

Parabolics are just plain ugly to drive with on a pitch black country road or highway - you can only see in front of you, very little to the side - quite disconcerting, and means you cannot see what is going to walk out onto the road (4 legs or 2) until you are about to hit it.

High beams are also woefully inadequate - get some decent driving lights (not fog lamps dammit - they are for low, wide spread - not distance (~20m max) and due to the bright foreground illumination, you actually decrease your long distance vision) like some Hella 160's. They ideally need to be mounted at the same level as your headlamps.

I do a LOT of country driving and at the moment am using the executive headlamps, with a relay harness (2.9mm2 cross sectional area cabling) and Philips Rally 90/100 H4's, and 100W H1's. You can see next week when you use the highbeams!

Cheers
Heath Young

I agree

I used to use cheap asian crap globes which were 100 - 130w globes and they just died every 3 months. So i went out and bought some philips crystal vision. Best damn things i ever bought. Lasted me 3 years.

Best bet is to go for aftermarket foglights. It will make the best difference in country driving. Dont really need it in city/suburban driving.


hey E,

You have different paras... post up a pic of them!.....

Read the headlamp FAQ! :)

Parabolics do not have sufficient side illumination (ie. flare) for night driving on darkened roads. Most people end up using fog lamps because (even though they are illegal to use when there is no fog) they give some side spill.

Parabolics are just plain ugly to drive with on a pitch black country road or highway - you can only see in front of you, very little to the side - quite disconcerting, and means you cannot see what is going to walk out onto the road (4 legs or 2) until you are about to hit it.

High beams are also woefully inadequate - get some decent driving lights (not fog lamps dammit - they are for low, wide spread - not distance (~20m max) and due to the bright foreground illumination, you actually decrease your long distance vision) like some Hella 150's. They ideally need to be mounted at the same level as your headlamps.

I do a LOT of country driving and at the moment am using the executive headlamps, with a relay harness (2.9mm2 cross sectional area cabling) and Philips Rally 90/100 H4's, and 100W H1's. You can see next week when you use the highbeams!

Cheers
Heath Young

Erik: In lamens terms this means getting parra's wont make your road brighter at night.

Erik: In lamens terms this means getting parra's wont make your road brighter at night.
What if he upgrades the globes to brighter globes?
Though i don't recommend it because you'll piss people off in front of you if the globes are too bright.
If you're dead set on getting paras erik, get some driving lights for your car as well, as heath suggested.

What if he upgrades the globes to brighter globes?

From my understanding, it's not that the para's don't emit enough light... the problem is in the beam pattern.


The parabolics also are not 'E' marked - so are technically very shady under our ADR's. They
are DOT reflectors, so the pattern is very poor, with very bright foreground lighting
(giving the illusion of better lighting, but actually reducing your long distance vision)
and giving a wide angle dispersion of light for the high beam - which also is very poor for
long distance vision.

From my understanding, it's not that the para's don't emit enough light... the problem is in the beam pattern.
Yeh i get that but if you were to use brighter globes, the light would "stretch" further, if you know what i mean. Sure it's just a bandaid fix though :P.

From my understanding, it's not that the para's don't emit enough light... the problem is in the beam pattern.

Correct. All you end up doing is making a bad pattern brighter.

Brighter bulbs allow you to aim the lights up *slightly* getting longer range (and slightly less foreground) but the side spill is virtually non-existant - this allows the headlamps to be used in both LHD and RHD countries...

Cheers
Heath Young

Allow me to demonstrate:

Usually (and with standard Magna lights), the beam range generally appears increased with brighter bulbs, because the slight bits of light that do manage to reach further are therefor brighter.

With Parra's, alot of the light is reflected using the mirror to aim, rather than the stnd covers with alot of refraction and dispersion lumps in them. The parra's mirror aim the light to more of a point(fairly close to the car) with only tiny amounts of light being reflected elsewhere. Increasing the wattage of the bulb in parra's only increases the amount of light that is aimed at the focal point, and very slightly elsewhere.

Remember that 80-90% of a bulbs energy is given off as heat so more wattage = more heat = possibilty of damaging the parra's mirror/lens.

Attached is a picture to demonstrate the facts... the squiggly line in the drawing of the stnd lights is meant to be the lens lumps, etc, which disperse the light...

Also with stnd lights in the parras and most cars, they are designed to have slightly more light facing the left of the road with the left H/L than that going right... So you can see the foreground and background of the left hand slide, without blinding drivers coming the other way.

a little question for you guys that have parra's, i will be getting new led lights for my parra's but i have one piece are they different to the 2 piece, i am currenly using wedge leds, do i have to get push AND TWIST for the one piece parra's

a little question for you guys that have parra's, i will be getting new led lights for my parra's but i have one piece are they different to the 2 piece, i am currenly using wedge leds, do i have to get push AND TWIST for the one piece parra's

YES. The STANLEY one piece parabolic headlights require a "push and twist" type parker globe. Also known as T4W globes.

As Heath Young says

"Phillips Vision Plus"

there is a world of difference. I did it ..... awesome

Hope this helps