Here you go guys, sneek peek of whats at the motor show

http://myspace-368.vo.llnwd.net/01336/86/35/1336315368_l.jpg

Checkout this article on carpoint:

http://www.carpoint.com.au/car-review/2131514.aspx


Mitsubishi too has gone down the supercharging route for a sports version of its 380 with the Team Mitsubishi Ralliart "concept". With the addition of the blower, the 380's 3.8-litre V6 generates peak outputs of 230kW/442Nm.

Like Aurion Sports, the TMR 380 uses a significantly upgraded suspension with Koni shocks and a full body kit. The Aurion sits on massive 20-inch wheels while the 380 makes do with 19-inch alloys.

Inside, Recaro seats and assorted cosmetic treatments complete the look. While the TMR 380 may not go on sale as the whole package that the show car offered, a TMR 380 will supplement the brand's lineup next year.

230KW's hey..... :pray:


Its looking quite promising indeed, although 230KWATFW seems quite scary, which is a good thing i guess!!


Cant wait for the release, i know ill be tempted to get a loan!!

Hey guys, a sneak peak of whats in another thread :P

http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41766

Also its 230kw at the engine matty_j

Wasn't the Sprintex Magna around 225kW already?
Then again that was AWD.
That much torque with FWD would be wheelspin city.
Still, looks alright so far. If MMAL market it just right they should be able to sell enough to have made the project worthwhile.

Wasn't the Sprintex Magna around 225kW already?
Then again that was AWD.
That much torque with FWD would be wheelspin city.
Still, looks alright so far. If MMAL market it just right they should be able to sell enough to have made the project worthwhile.

I am putting out more torque than that. It is not that much of a problem lol

Article and Pix here:

http://www.mellor.net/mellor/enews.nsf/edition/4FA9EF0D8AED890DCA2572120027E940/$file/GoAuto_enews359.pdf

It sounds awesome... Can't wait to see it! Pity its just a concept... but then so was the Monaro once. Mitsubishi could certainly use something like this in their 380 lineup (though hopefully not as another limited edition)
My only 2 questions would be... when will it go into production? And how much?

That looks fantastic just from seeing that. Ha.. 230kw is alot more then what some expected.

I read in another thread it will be AWD, even if it isn't I'm still happy if it has a decent ASTC system and is competitively priced.

Anyone notice they kept the standard 380ES, SX, LX tailights?

with the addition of a supercharger they have taken the power from 180kw at the engine.

to 230kw a the engine. thats pretty bad attempt in my books.

that will aquait to about 170kw at the wheels.

why do they even bother with such a pathetic attempts to rein in on the performance car market.

with the addition of a supercharger they have taken the power from 180kw at the engine.

to 230kw a the engine. thats pretty bad attempt in my books.

that will aquait to about 170kw at the wheels.

why do they even bother with such a pathetic attempts to rein in on the performance car market.
Actually it's gone from 175kW to 230kW which is a 32% gain in peak power, and 343nM to 442nM which is a 22% gain in peak torque. Quite good numbers really.

I'm going to see this puppy next Friday! :js:

Here you guys go:
http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/ArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=21193&vf=2

I read in another thread it will be AWD, even if it isn't I'm still happy if it has a decent ASTC system and is competitively priced.

It's not.

with the addition of a supercharger they have taken the power from 180kw at the engine.

to 230kw a the engine. thats pretty bad attempt in my books.

that will aquait to about 170kw at the wheels.

why do they even bother with such a pathetic attempts to rein in on the performance car market.

What are you talking about? How bout 400m in 14secs neat.
How is the car going to utilize 300KW or whatever you think is "performance"? Is anyone going to pay 70-80K for it?
Did you consider the torque the engine makes? That's what gives cars real performance and the Ralliart has it in spades.

sorry if my point wasnt clear.

Whenever MMAL creates a car for a niche market it only ever does a half ****ed effort.

There cars are always * good * but not * great * they need to go all out to attract serious attention from any market. especially the performance market.

why is anybody going to pay $50k for a 230kw front wheel drive large car. when for less money they can get a more powerful rear wheel drive car from holden or ford ( which i might add have a huge fan base BECAUSE theyve pushed the boundries time and time again )

Look at it this way.

Holden & Ford are the two oldest twins boys, always compeeting to be the best, always one up on each other.

Mitsubishi are like the 3rd child. the young one. trying to play games with the older boys, but they always end up getting hurt.

well this is a better attempt the ralliart magna, i think the price should be lower, if it looks different from the rest of the 380 line up, then its bound to get some buyers,

It wasnt impressive. The only thing the 380 TMR had that was excellent at the AIMS was the exceptionally attractive girls on the Mitsubishi stand.

175kW to 230kW...........thats 55kW to me, sounds good. Lets hope they actually follow through with it.

Twin pipes too :)

sorry if my point wasnt clear.

Whenever MMAL creates a car for a niche market it only ever does a half ****ed effort.

There cars are always * good * but not * great * they need to go all out to attract serious attention from any market. especially the performance market.

why is anybody going to pay $50k for a 230kw front wheel drive large car. when for less money they can get a more powerful rear wheel drive car from holden or ford ( which i might add have a huge fan base BECAUSE theyve pushed the boundries time and time again )

Look at it this way.

Holden & Ford are the two oldest twins boys, always compeeting to be the best, always one up on each other.

Mitsubishi are like the 3rd child. the young one. trying to play games with the older boys, but they always end up getting hurt.
What are you talking about?? Where is it said it's gonna be $50k?? Holden and Ford pushing the performance car boundaries?? You must be kidding, right? Have you ever sat in an xr6t or new ss? They're full of cheap plastics and if driven hard will break. Each to their own tho, if you think a $45k xr6t is the pinnacle of sports cars, then that's your opinion.

What are you talking about?? Where is it said it's gonna be $50k?? Holden and Ford pushing the performance car boundaries?? You must be kidding, right? Have you ever sat in an xr6t or new ss? They're full of cheap plastics and if driven hard will break. Each to their own tho, if you think a $45k xr6t is the pinnacle of sports cars, then that's your opinion.


pushed the boundries for for large australian car peformance, yes, which is what Mitsu is quite obiously aiming for.

with the addition of a supercharger they have taken the power from 180kw at the engine.

to 230kw a the engine. thats pretty bad attempt in my books.

that will aquait to about 170kw at the wheels.

why do they even bother with such a pathetic attempts to rein in on the performance car market.

Back in the VX Commodore days the SS produced 225kw at the flywheel, HSV products produced and were marketed as 255kw at the flywheel. Thats only a 30kw at the flywheel increase.....

Worked for them and still does.

pushed the boundries for for large australian car peformance, yes, which is what Mitsu is quite obiously aiming for.
Oh, for australian performance cars. Yes, indeed, totally agree. But with the claimed 0-100 and 0-400m times the Ralliart 380 is no slouch beating the xr6t down the quarter and only giving up .6s to the SS which has 30kW more.

I kinda agree with Ulciscor...

I cant beleive how much negativity this is being met with. 230Kw is a good power increase, onpar with fords xr6T and a better increase than the s/c aurion will have, so I dont understand all you b****es whining. Only a couple weeks ago everyone was saying "under 200kw and I wont be impressed" well they've passed that quite comfortably and people are still saying how unimpressed they are. Until mitsubishi start putting V8s in their sedans (dont hold your breath) then they will never lead the high performance market, this is an attempt at the "sports" market and not the high performance market. Besides, with such a power increase it's likely that this car will do a 0-100 in close to 6 seconds, which certainly isnt slow.

Exactly and if Mitsu claims of a 14.0 sec 0-400 are replicated by an external party like say Motor and Wheels, then what more would you want? Mitsu/Ralliart producing a s/c front drive sedan, with less power/torque, that beats and/or almost beats rear drive XR6T and SS over the 0-400, for hopefully around the same money, is a pretty good advancement in Aussie performance cars in my opinion.

A few things to remember for those that keep bashing the 380 TME.
- At 230 KW it will likely have a much better power to weight ratio than XR6T and SS
- 0-100 and 0-400m claims are likely to be correct as Mitsubishi is usually very conservative when it makes performance claims. The 380 TME times are very competitive with the dinosaur push rod competition.
- Front wheel drive cars shed less power in their drive line, due to less mechanicals to turn over therefore more power will be available at the wheels than competitor cars.
- With modern day improved chassis dynamics, good tyre selection and traction control and / or LSD getting the power to the ground will not be a huge problem.

I believe the 380 TME will become the thinking driver’s performance choice. Performance as good as, if not better than the competition with better fuel economy than the completion and a 5-10 warranty you just can not go past this for a great deal.

Better built, Better backed, it certainly will be.

Exactly and if Mitsu claims of a 14.0 sec 0-400 are replicated by an external party like say Motor and Wheels, then what more would you want? Mitsu/Ralliart producing a s/c front drive sedan, with less power/torque, that beats and/or almost beats rear drive XR6T and SS over the 0-400, for hopefully around the same money, is a pretty good advancement in Aussie performance cars in my opinion.


Exactly!!! and even if you wanted to mod the S/C 380 a tad im sure you get some serious gains with little work!! maybe push her to 250-260KW with some upgrades, doesnt seem like such a big job!!!

I say good job MMAL!!

If they build it and it's that quick and priced around 45k then it's gonna be good but still not great, people's views on the styling still wont really change, but with that sort of money you got a 13second stock SS now remember and an XR6t which is a cult car now that does low 14's. People on here bag Holden and Ford, I have but they know how to market a car, simple, although the Supercars help. Mitsu dont, they need to market there cars better. Now Ford and Holden are putting technology into there ars to, eruopean 6-speed auto's, DOHC with VCT, turbo's that still pass Euro III tests and that's just ford. Holden have 6.0lt V8's that pass Euro III. Mistu didnt even design the 380 body to accept previous technology such as AWD.

If mitsu says 14.0 down the quarter then some people will get into the 13's, it better be manual though not auto only like the aurion.

everyones unimpressed because most people think bolting a turbo or s/c on a car will give them double the power because they saw a turbo converted car in hot 4s that doubled the power from not only a turbo or s/c conversion but a full rebuilt engine, max boost, intercooler etc

remember this new 380 is only running stock boost....ithink 230ish kw is an awesome figure for a factory vehicle

i wish all you whingers about the 380 would shut the **** up cos im sick of ur pessimistic crap

Guys, it's a 380 TMR (team mitsubishi ralliart) not 380 TME.

If they build it and it's that quick and priced around 45k then it's gonna be good but still not great, people's views on the styling still wont really change, but with that sort of money you got a 13second stock SS now remember and an XR6t which is a cult car now that does low 14's. People on here bag Holden and Ford, I have but they know how to market a car, simple, although the Supercars help. Mitsu dont, they need to market there cars better. Now Ford and Holden are putting technology into there ars to, eruopean 6-speed auto's, DOHC with VCT, turbo's that still pass Euro III tests and that's just ford. Holden have 6.0lt V8's that pass Euro III. Mistu didnt even design the 380 body to accept previous technology such as AWD.


1. It's quite possible the 380 TMR could become a cult car. It shaves a full 1/2 sec of the XR6T and it's not a V8, a plus IMHO.
2. There's technology and there's lip service to technology - Holden's DOHC engine uses three chains to drive the staggered cam gears, a woeful design that will create problems for engine longevity. I would rather have a robust one cam per bank design that produces more midrange. The V8 is a 1950's design, efficient but not new. Ford should be commended for their vision, Holden have just implemented catch up design.
3. Mitsu have used leading technology for chassis stiffness that the other manufacturers are now adopting. It has implemented a better electronic control system and uses extremely efficient fuel injection (12 hole injectors). AWD didn't sell more cars and was expensive.

Guys, it's a 380 TMR (team mitsubishi ralliart) not 380 TME.

yeh that was my bad, i tried to edit the heading but couldnt, but i did however edit the title of the post lol (1st post on this topic)

dunno just used to EVO's

i don't know, i have a feeling that this car my bring in some customers, its got good specs, its performence in in the class of the xr6t and ss, its doesn't look that bad, i mean looks better then the ss not as good as the xr6t

it could be the go i say,

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v17/metallix_imek/100_3871.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v17/metallix_imek/100_3978.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v17/metallix_imek/100_3977.jpg

XR6T's are fast for a reason. People seem to forget they are TURBOCHARGED. People seem to forget that it isn't just a N/A Falcon, it is for force fed.

People bagging the VRX/GT 380 when comparing it to XR6T, of course the Ford will win. Now that it is an equal playing field, with a supercharger, the 380 comes out on top.

I think the VRX/GT is already a good looking car. This is what it should have looked like in the first place. IMO I think its a better looking car than the BF or VE or the TRD Aurion. Now its got the power to match it gives drivers with more options to choose especially with the option to go for something different and unique. Being FWD isn't going to be an issue for most unless they intend to mod it furthur or take it to the track. Remember the stock 380 VRX did the slalom test quicker than the vz clubsport as tested by motor. lol

XR6T's are fast for a reason. People seem to forget they are TURBOCHARGED. People seem to forget that it isn't just a N/A Falcon, it is for force fed.

People bagging the VRX/GT 380 when comparing it to XR6T, of course the Ford will win. Now that it is an equal playing field, with a supercharger, the 380 comes out on top.

I hope your joking, i really really do.

YOU can not compare a turbo RWD car with a supercharged FWD car. The turbo falcon is able to be powered up very cheapily (my dads XR6T has 340+Rwkw's and the power up cost under $3500 tuned and is now running 11's) A standard XR6T only runs 6psi boost from factory but has a very well sized turbo that allows alot more boost with out needing to be changed.

The supercharger setup on the 380 would be harder (more expensive) to power up after factory. Its good to see mitsubishi finally doing something that may appeal to people in the marketplace but at the end of the day will people actually buy it to modify the engine further... i think not, hence in the end i think it will be safe to say that it'll be a good probably great road car but NOT a car that'll be out to set 1/4mile records. Horses for courses as they say.

Oh and lets hope like hell this TMR 380 S/C actually makes it onto the market as it is being showen and NOT watered down like the ralliart magna was when it was finally released. :)

I hope your joking, i really really do.

YOU can not compare a turbo RWD car with a supercharged FWD car. The turbo falcon is able to be powered up very cheapily (my dads XR6T has 340+Rwkw's and the power up cost under $3500 tuned and is now running 11's) A standard XR6T only runs 6psi boost from factory but has a very well sized turbo that allows alot more boost with out needing to be changed.

The supercharger setup on the 380 would be harder (more expensive) to power up after factory. Its good to see mitsubishi finally doing something that may appeal to people in the marketplace but at the end of the day will people actually buy it to modify the engine further... i think not, hence in the end i think it will be safe to say that it'll be a good probably great road car but NOT a car that'll be out to set 1/4mile records. Horses for courses as they say.

Oh and lets hope like hell this S/C 380 TMR actually makes it onto the market as it is being showen and NOT watered down like the ralliart magna was when it was finally released.

I think 'Magnatised' meant stock TMR 380 Vs. stock XR6T, which, going by figures provided the 380 would come out on top. I do agree with you though in saying that the XR6Turbo would be a fk load easier to mod if you wanted even more power.

So 'Magnatised' was correct in saying what he said if he meant stock vs. stock (which i think he did), but spend another $5k on each car and I'm pretty sure the Falcon would win.

Let's just hope the TMR 380 makes it into production.

I think 'Magnatised' meant stock TMR 380 Vs. stock XR6T, which, going by figures provided the 380 would come out on top. I do agree with you though in saying that the XR6Turbo would be a fk load easier to mod if you wanted even more power.

So 'Magnatised' was correct in saying what he said if he meant stock vs. stock (which i think he did), but spend another $5k on each car and I'm pretty sure the Falcon would win.

Let's just hope the TMR 380 makes it into production.

No magazine has been able to replicate MMAL's 0-100 and 400m times, i worked on the ralliart magna program and at mmal we were sprouting off consistent 14.7's for the manual, the best the mags ever got was a flat 15 but we all know that people like myself and others on here have been able to hammer the magazines times in our magnas, hell even the times the mags quote for falcons and commodores are always hammered by people at drag meets. (in short the magazines suck lol )

A lesson ive learnt is never go 100% by manufactuers quoted times or magazines times as they never really work out in the real world.

Lets hope the TMR 380 comes out and is a great "allround" car and helps boost the 380's sales, i wont be buying one but i have mates that still work for MMAL and i do want the 380 to succeed, for them and there families rely on the companies future. :)

Actually, my FWD EVO powered lancer runs 13.1 1/4 mile, a VR4 galant AWD with the same motor runs a 13.2, same setup... difference is also power to weight here

what are te weight comparisments?? power at the engine or at the wheels dont mean a thing to me, its on the ground that counts

Well I mite as well put in my 2 cents. Kudos to MMAL for doing as I told them 9 months ago and sorting a contract with Sprintex to develop a factory fitted s/c kit for 380. Finally this car has something on paper to really boast about... though it's still not perfect.

Being a concept I'd expect them to change/tweak a few things. Those taillights need to change big time, they look terrible. Either need to be tinted or even better make them clear... just looks too awkward. As has been mentioned already the rear bumper insert ain't that great either - looks almost juvenile, a 5 second job if you will. Even just the regular styled VRX/GT insert, in black carbon, would look much better; and yes I agree too that the wheels won't make the production model. Doesn't suit.

Overall I'm still in need of some new pants, and yes if I could afford to I'd get one at the drop of a hat. Well done MMAL!:D :thumbsup:

Now every dumbass in their fagboy lancers and select few ppl with other mitsubishis (magna/fto/etc) are gonna put TMR stickers on their cars :doubt:

I say good job on Mitsubishi, finally a 380 I would actually consider buying.

It actually looks good and it probably feels pretty much the same as my verada powerwise just with a better gearbox and a few other things i'm probably missing out on.

If I had one i would;
get it in black, dumped on coils with 20s, upgrade the exhaust, stereo and put around 5-6K in the engine. O yeah, and an anti lift kit!!!! lol That would make me a happy man.

(quote) VeradaBoy
As has been mentioned already the rear bumper insert ain't that great either - looks almost juvenile, a 5 second job if you will. Even just the regular styled VRX/GT insert, in black carbon, would look much better; and yes I agree too that the wheels won't make the production model. Doesn't suit.


When I was shown the 3 options for the body kit some months ago for my opinion the
two things I suggested they look at changing were the R/skirt insert and the R/spoiler
on this kit, but I'm so glad they didn't use either of the other 2 options
The rims will not make it, you might be lucky to see 18's

(quote) VeradaBoy
As has been mentioned already the rear bumper insert ain't that great either - looks almost juvenile, a 5 second job if you will. Even just the regular styled VRX/GT insert, in black carbon, would look much better; and yes I agree too that the wheels won't make the production model. Doesn't suit.


When I was shown the 3 options for the body kit some months ago for my opinion the
two things I suggested they look at changing were the R/skirt insert and the R/spoiler
on this kit, but I'm so glad they didn't use either of the other 2 options
The rims will not make it, you might be lucky to see 18's
What are your thoughts then on the taillights - what could be done?

When I was shown the 3 options for the body kit some months ago for my opinion the
two things I suggested they look at changing were the R/skirt insert and the R/spoiler
on this kit, but I'm so glad they didn't use either of the other 2 options
The rims will not make it, you might be lucky to see 18's

Talking to my good friend who works in R&D at MMAL this morning about the TMR 380, he said 18" wheels are definate for the TMR 380, the side rearview mirrors wont be on production models (dont past ADR's), also 6piston brembos are a no go (cost wise) but he said we may see a 4piston front caliper setup otherwise the main brake package they've been testing is a similar setup to TZABOY's new front setup (aussie made 330mmx32mm rotor and C6 2piston calipers, rear will stay the same size as standard, all rotors are slotted).

Talking to my good friend who works in R&D at MMAL this morning about the TMR 380, he said 18" wheels are definate for the TMR 380, the side rearview mirrors wont be on production models (dont past ADR's), also 6piston brembos are a no go (cost wise) but he said we may see a 4piston front caliper setup otherwise the main brake package they've been testing is a similar setup to TZABOY's new front setup (aussie made 330mmx32mm rotor and C6 2piston calipers, rear will stay the same size as standard, all rotors are slotted).
i'm off to the show tomorrow so hopefully a techie guy will be around and i can tell them how good my setup is and how cheap it is.

I don't see why Mitsubishi didn't use the 3.8 Mivec engine as a starting point.

They are not Brembo brakes on the front, Alcon 6 piston callipers and rotors. The same used on there $78 TMR EVO (Not worth the money even it was awesome driving around Wakefield in it with Scott Pedder)
Brembo are on the back.

The stand had more focus on the chicks , don't mind. But the sales people where crap. Couldn't get to sit in the Ralliart Colt as my Girlfriend likes it. We can't find the key :confused: .

And couldn't even get into the TMR 380. If they want to sell these cars then let people actually look at them. I was think of have the TMR 380 as my Family car and EVO as the weekend racer.

I think I would take the TRD Aurion if it comes out as a AWD 260KW. Looks just that much better. But I hope the TMR 380 does sell

I don't see why Mitsubishi didn't use the 3.8 Mivec engine as a starting point.

cos then the car would have been too expensive, there is a massive amount of engineering they have to do when completely changing engines. It's not as simple as people think.


I think I would take the TRD Aurion if it comes out as a AWD 260KW. Looks just that much better. But I hope the TMR 380 does sell

umm.. but its not! its a 240kw FWD aswell, so whats your point?

i think in isolation the TMR 380 is a fantastic package, however i can't help but think 270kw's and rear wheel drive is a bit too hard to ignore.. so i'd buy a VE SS

cos then the car would have been too expensive, there is a massive amount of engineering they have to do when completely changing engines. It's not as simple as people think.



umm.. but its not! its a 240kw FWD aswell, so whats your point?

Who actually knows it is going to be FWD. There has been many report and interviews (Goauto, Carsguide etc.)with the Japanesse design of the Camry/Aurion platform about using the AWD out of a Lexus RX330 or Kruger. An that there might be to Spec on the TRD 240Kw FWD or AWD.

So unless you work for Toyota then I might be wrong. Well anyway lets wait until the Melbourne Motor Show to find out

So unless you work for Toyota then I might be wrong. Well anyway lets wait until the Melbourne Motor Show to find out

toyota have confirmed its going to be fwd initially at least, they have also mentioned that an awd drivetrain would not be hard to fit too.

you can only put so much torque through the front wheels. These cars are pushing the limits in many respects. 230kW will make it nippy and the tractio control and perhaps some torque limiting may be needed. Perhaps they would be best just getting as many out the door as possible and thus undercutting ford/gm by a good $5-6K? Loss leader but image maker and change the public topic of conversation from MMAL going out of Aus to a more positive story.

Perhaps they would be best just getting as many out the door as possible and thus undercutting ford/gm by a good $5-6K? Loss leader but image maker and change the public topic of conversation from MMAL going out of Aus to a more positive story.
doubt that is the strategy they are trying to put forward. I doubt MMAL would be prepared to make that sort of sacrifice when the new 4wd range is coming on line. Anyway if it was a few grand less than an xr6 that would place it in the vrx range. To be economically viable this car would need the same pricing structure as the ralliart magna. And even then i dont think they have sufficently addressed the same problems that the ralliart magna had

doubt that is the strategy they are trying to put forward. I doubt MMAL would be prepared to make that sort of sacrifice when the new 4wd range is coming on line. Anyway if it was a few grand less than an xr6 that would place it in the vrx range. To be economically viable this car would need the same pricing structure as the ralliart magna. And even then i dont think they have sufficently addressed the same problems that the ralliart magna had
That's not very true. VRX = $37k, XR6turdboat = $44k. I think MMAL could successfully slot the TMR 380 in at around $42k for manual and $44k for auto or something. Most of the problem with the Ralliart Magna btw, reportedly by the "Magazines" was torque steer, which if you know how to drive a powerful FWD properly isn't an issue. So I think with a good traction control system and good suspension it'll be a goer.

That's not very true. VRX = $37k, XR6turdboat = $44k.Why are you comparing the VRX to the XR6T? More fair comparison would be to the NA XR6 at $39,710.

Why are you comparing the VRX to the XR6T? More fair comparison would be to the NA XR6 at $39,710.
No he's saying that a few grand less is not in vrx territory like you said.

No he's saying that a few grand less is not in vrx territory like you said.
But if you undercut the XR6T by $5 or $6K as suggested by the person above my original response, that's going to make the TME 380 $38 or $39k - which is where the VRX is positioned at $38,000.

Anyway, I cant see how you can take what is essentually a VRX, add Racaros, add supercharger, add intercooler, add 19s, add bodykit, add brembo rears, add bigger fronts, add konis and offer the car for less than an XR6T - which is pretty much just the stock standard XR6 with a blower and cooler.


Most of the problem with the Ralliart Magna btw, reportedly by the "Magazines" was torque steer, which if you know how to drive a powerful FWD properly isn't an issue. So I think with a good traction control system and good suspension it'll be a goer.
Most of the problems with the Ralliart were it's price, resale, bodykit, age of interior design, and the whole "but it's a front wheel drive" issue.

There was afterall supposed to be a TL Ralliart, obviously MMAL felt at the time it was not worthy to address. So I'm wondering what's changed in their business plan this time around.

The best and only solution that I can think of is if MMAL just start a supercharged option for VRX, XR6T style and dump the other upgrades, or have the other upgrades on a built to order model at circa 48k. That way they might be able to get it in the $42 bracket that you guys are suggesting.

The TL ralliart was going to be AWD too. But i guess when you've still got TJ ralliarts sitting in the car yards it wasn't a viable option.
And yeh i agree that when you add all that stuff it will be hard to match prices with the XR6T, but in saying that i don't think alot of it will make it to production. Also when you think about it, is there really 10k worth of stuff different between the base model and vrx?
But anyway i think it's going to have to be around the 43-44k price mark to even have a chance. Anything higher will kill it.

Without making my post really long winded, I agree with basically everything you said dave. I think in the end, if the TMR 380 makes production we'll see a two teir model lineup. Like you said, basically a VRX with a blower, price it at say $42k. Then a full optioned TMR 380 with blower, recaros, big brake upgrade and big rims and probably price it at like $50-$55k. To me, that sounds like the most doable of the options at hand, because like you said, to price it at around $45k with all those options I doubt would be economically feasable for MMAL.

I think in the end, if the TMR 380 makes production we'll see a two teir model lineup. It would probably be the smartest way to capture sales (just add supercharger and cooler option) - you could even make it a $4k or $5k option on the SX, VRX and GT models. Maybe have an optional brake and suspension package. Hopefully MMAL doesn't deny the option by limiting it to the Ralliart division and a 50k car.

It would probably be the smartest way to capture sales (just add supercharger and cooler option) - you could even make it a $4k or $5k option on the SX, VRX and GT models. Maybe have an optional brake and suspension package. Hopefully MMAL doesn't deny the option by limiting it to the Ralliart division and a 50k car.
Yeah, they've really opened the door now with what they can actually do. I mean like you said, have the supercharger as an option on SX and up models with the recaros and brakes as an optional upgrade aswell. If they start limiting things to certain models (like only allowing the blower, brakes and recaros etc) then they're gonna cut into their posibilities and shoot themselves in the foot. Two teir TMR 380 with the supercharger as a $5k option on all models SX and up sounds tempting. If you wanted a go fast car, buy an SX and option the extra $5k supercharger. If you want all the fruit buy a GT and option everything. In between somewhere I guess would be the TMR 380. I'm probably getting ahead of myself now and not making much sense, but the possibilities for MMAL with this concept are endless.

yeah but the problem with that is, whats the point of buying the TMR edition if you can have all the performance bits in an SX... exactly theres none! Why do you think HSV don't make the 307kw engine optional on an SS commodore...

Who actually knows it is going to be FWD.

everyone considering toyota said as much in the press release..:doubt:

yeah but the problem with that is, whats the point of buying the TMR edition if you can have all the performance bits in an SX... exactly theres none! Why do you think HSV don't make the 307kw engine optional on an SS commodore...
Yes I know that. That's why I said "I'm probably getting ahead of myself now and not making much sense, but the possibilities for MMAL with this concept are endless."

It was just an idea and one which wouldn't come to fruition I spose if the car goes into production. I don't know what they're gonna do to keep costs down come production time, but I guess we'll see soon enough.

yeah but the problem with that is, whats the point of buying the TMR edition if you can have all the performance bits in an SX... exactly theres none! Why do you think HSV don't make the 307kw engine optional on an SS commodore...
Why do you think the Ralliart failed when it was priced against an SS Commodore.
Whats the point of buying an SS Commodore over a Berlina V8?

MMAL will have rocks in their head if they try and put this car against the XR8 and SS price bracket.

Why do you think the Ralliart failed when it was priced against an SS Commodore.
Whats the point of buying an SS Commodore over a Berlina V8?

MMAL will have rocks in their head if they try and put this car against the XR8 and SS price bracket.
True, but it wouldn't surprise me if they tried...:doubt:

MMAL will have rocks in their head if they try and put this car against the XR8 and SS price bracket.
They don't have a real lot of choice as I see it seeing as tho the SS Commodore goes for $45k for a run of the mill 6 speed manual version. If MMAL are serious about this car, it really needs to drive like a weapon and be as fast as an SS or faster, and be cheaper to even get a foot in the door. That's the advantage Holden has with the established reputation in the aussie sports car segment.

The XR8 is the same price at $45k. Looking at Fords pricing structure you can see that the XR6 is $40k, and the XR6TurdBoat is $44k which is basically an XR6 with a turbo. MMAL could do something similair where the VRX is $37k and the bottom of the two TMR models is like $42k (with bodykit and supercharger) then a top TMR model at (hopefully under $50k but realistically $50k on the nose) with the supercharger, bodykit, maybe brakes and wheels. I'm sounding like a broken record now. I think I'll wait until there's more news from MMAL about the concept.

The XR8 is the same price at $45k. Looking at Fords pricing structure you can see that the XR6 is $40k, and the XR6TurdBoat is $44k which is basically an XR6 with a turbo.

before someone blows up at you for ripping on the best boat ever in the history of car making i'd like to lol.

Yes definately need the 190kw for vrx and gt and then this tmr with the supercharger, no supercharger option on the other models, also no 190kw for the sx, its meant to be the less sporty luxo variant and it sounds like it'll do well in that bracket.

I saw it today.:D It looks the goods and the twin dumpers are fat. The interior is ok but there is not a lot of differentiation between the normal models apart from the audio screen, sports wheel/gear shift and seats. That's probably a good thing though as it will help keep the cost down.

Oh and dare I say, the VE does not look too bad. Sat in a SX6 and apart from the cheap and flimsy glovebox it was nice. I much preferred the Statesman/Caprice over the Commodore models though.

Dad got a brochure the other day advertising the new Calais (he has to choose a new company car soon). God DAMN! I reckon its the best looking family car IMO. He doesnt like Holdens full stop but my brother and I are persuading him to at least test drive one...

as Disciple said, i dont see how MMAL have much choice other then to price it similar to the SS, i mean the SS is just so damn cheap considering what you get - 270kw sports sedan for 25k, its one of the worlds biggest performance bargains. Thats what MMAL and toyota are up against with their performance models, forget HSV and FPR, they have to knock off the SS and XR6T before they get anywhere and thats going to be ****ing hard!!

Dad got a brochure the other day advertising the new Calais (he has to choose a new company car soon). God DAMN! I reckon its the best looking family car IMO. He doesnt like Holdens full stop but my brother and I are persuading him to at least test drive one...

I hope you mean Calais-V as the standard Calais is more basic and boring then the VZ Calais.

If you are talking about the Calais-V, well thats not such a bad thing :D

i mean the SS is just so damn cheap considering what you get - 270kw sports sedan for 25k

Sign me up for a 25k SS commodore :D ......Oh wait, their 45k!!

i have to admit its a very very tough competition for the 380 to compete against holden's ugly but very good value ss commie, its rwd, 13.4 down the 1/4 and resonable fuel consumpition, but mist had a limiting budget and they can't offer a huge range in there large car range

they can't make it cheaper then the top model, otherwise whats the point in get the top model, they could consider, putting the charger in the gt version, and the charging the vrx version and forget releasing a new model

that it would be competing against the ss and the ss v, so to speak,