Hey Guys, just interested to see who has dumped there ralliarts.. and how low you went? and what springs were used..

i know Gremlin's is pretty low

According to he's profile its a 1.5inch ( 40mm ) drop

I really don't see the point in excessively "dumping" our cars...all it does is wreck the handleing and make your car impractical to drive, as you can't negotiate steep driveways, carpark ramps, speedhumps etc.

Same with people who use mismatched springs (superlows front and lows rear). I really don't understand people who are willing to ruin the dynamics and practicality of their cars, just so they can close that gap between the wheel arch and tyre another inch or whatever.

just my 2 cents.

You can delete your own posts. While I agree that overly lowering a car can be to the detriment of handling it can look good. However saying that superlows and lows are a drastic mismatch is a bit much.

king superlows all round. that'll be enough. if it scrubs on the flares just trim them back where its rubbing :D

I really don't see the point in excessively "dumping" our cars...all it does is wreck the handleing and make your car impractical to drive, as you can't negotiate steep driveways, carpark ramps, speedhumps etc.

Same with people who use mismatched springs (superlows front and lows rear). I really don't understand people who are willing to ruin the dynamics and practicality of their cars, just so they can close that gap between the wheel arch and tyre another inch or whatever.

EDIT: sorry, triple post, please delete admins. No idea how I managed to do it :confused:

thats a good effort.

We lowered my g/f's lancer, over a set of 17"s, and while the total lateral grip achivible now is incredible, any mid corner irregulaity send shocks so hard through the car, its hard to hang onto. there simply isnt enough wheel travel. it wont throw the back out, but it will make the car jump a foot off line, its very unsetleing.

I really don't see the point in excessively "dumping" our cars...all it does is wreck the handleing and make your car impractical to drive, as you can't negotiate steep driveways, carpark ramps, speedhumps etc.

Same with people who use mismatched springs (superlows front and lows rear). I really don't understand people who are willing to ruin the dynamics and practicality of their cars, just so they can close that gap between the wheel arch and tyre another inch or whatever.

just my 2 cents.

i see the point... and not the one you are trying to make...

why this why that, who cares...

the man wants his car dumped, good on him...

im personally not a fan of lowering cars, i mean why would you :nuts:

:bowrofl:

good to see you are all ralliart owners... and actually answered my question:nuts: :nuts:

mods please close this thread, obviously this forum is no longer the place to ask for advice.

i ask one simple question and its like im stupid for wanting to lower my car.....

did i say anywhere i wanted it to be practical??? no i didnt i simply asked what ppl were using..

you after pics, correct?
and what springs they used and roughly how much it dropped

good to see you are all ralliart owners... and actually answered my question:nuts: :nuts:

mods please close this thread, obviously this forum is no longer the place to ask for advice.

i ask one simple question and its like im stupid for wanting to lower my car.....

did i say anywhere i wanted it to be practical??? no i didnt i simply asked what ppl were using..


i think you shoud thank tzaboy...
he answered you,

and ppl will say do a search and read ppl profiles too.... there a million threads on lowering here..

look at tzaboys pics and read his profile...

also i dont think that there are alot of lowered ralliarts running around anyways
but i maybe wrong there might be a few more now :)

mine are stock springs compressed 1.5" .... the front bar is less than 100mm off the ground... you dont want to go any lower than this believe me....

see this thread for pics
http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37525&highlight=gremlin

also i dont think that there are alot of lowered ralliarts running around anyways
but i maybe wrong there might be a few more now :)

percentage wise, I know of more lowered ralliarts on here than stock ones.

to answer your question Pete, I put king springs low in all round when i got the 19's put on. :D

thanks for the responses guys, now you can wait for the pics...

mines lowered. pedders lowest on front. and dont know what on the rear, standard shocks. and 18" wheels as per sig.

the ride quality is quite horrible. you have to slow down for everything.

but it tracks really nicely, and it looks great.

you know you are sort of in love when ever you press that red button as you walk away, you turn your head around to have a lst look.

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/4144/picture021rk8.th.jpg (http://img174.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture021rk8.jpg)

king superlows all round. that'll be enough. if it scrubs on the flares just trim them back where its rubbing :D
Unfortunately Kings do not make superlows all around. Only fronts. its Lovells that make superlows all around.

And all this crap about superlows front and lows rear mismatch screwing up your handling, its all bull****. I did it, and it handles way way better than stock springs. So in what way does it make handling worse? (This is not directed at you TZABOY)

Pete, whatever you decide on, it will look hotter than current setup and will handle much better also. Go superlow/low set or lovell superlow all around. If you want lower, then recompress them. ;) Should look hot

You can delete your own posts. While I agree that overly lowering a car can be to the detriment of handling it can look good. However saying that superlows and lows are a drastic mismatch is a bit much.

I'm entitled to my own opinion. And using IMO superlows and lows together IS a drastic mismatch. You've got springs of mismatched heights, with mismatched springs rates, the dynamics of the car are gonna be very funky when pushed.

Just trying to give the other side of the story, so hopefully people are aware of the drawbacks and potential problems of lowering too far for aesthetics.

I'm entitled to my own opinion. And using IMO superlows and lows together IS a drastic mismatch. You've got springs of mismatched heights, with mismatched springs rates, the dynamics of the car are gonna be very funky when pushed.



Your front and back are not meant to handle identically that's why front and back springs differ. I'd be willing to bet they also have different spring rates, remember the front has a pretty heavy engine in between and is the most important of the set up.

Yes you don't want your springs too stiff though as rebound (right word) can become dangerous when cornering hard, also bottoming out in the same circumstances can be dangerous...

No i dont have a ralliart, but i have superlows front and lows rear, and it handles AWESOMELY.

so i dont know what car you drove weather it be yours or someone elses that drove you to that opinion of mismatched springs but i too agree its a load of s**t.

i may get the rears compressed a bit but just for looks, i love how it handles, and i recommend the combination to everyone i can

so ner

Off topic I know, but the diametre of the front and rear springs are different, and so are the load ratings (as the frount be under more load than the rears) so obviously the spring dynamics are going to be different to begin with? and by using the SL fronts and Low rears the cars (more often than not) actually level out (chassis to ground mesurement).

Anyway back to the ralliart owners.

That's my point, if you buy a set of king Lows or superlows, the springs rates are different, but they are matched to each other with the dynamics of the car in mind. By using different springs from differnt sets, you are putting springs together that weren't supposed to be together, the heights and spring rates are mismatched.

The front springs are supposed to be taller than the rears for a reason, to help balance the weight-shift characteristics of a nose-heavy car. Manufactureres don't make the front wheel arch gap larger for kicks, there's an engineered feason for it.

Mind you, this probably isn't a big deal for most people, unless you do motorsport or are really in-tune with your car's handling, it will probably still feel "fine" to you, and will still probably feel better much better than stock suspension. I think there just needs to be more awareness of the drawbacks of things like lowering too far, mismatched springs etc, as theres a huge amount of potential problems with using the wrong suspension gear. Bottoming out, defects, dangerous/unpredictable handleing on the limit, scraping etc, just to name a few.

For those of you lowering more than ~30mm (i.e using something lower than King lows), I suggest looking into custom springs or maybe something from whiteline etc. It's been pointed out to me numerous times by people in the know, that springs like the King Superlows aren't really designed with performance in mind. Basically they aren't anywhere near stiff enough for their height, meaning excessive bottoming out and crap suspension characteristics in general. Obviously they are probably still better than stock, but something like a custom KMAC spring would probably give you the extra lowering you want, but give you a bigger improvement in handleing etc.

For those of you purely after aesthetics, and don't mind paying the penalities in handling, legalities etc, fair enough, But I believe on these forums a fair few people are being sucked into doing mods they regret, because the information about the drawbacks wasn't available to them. I like the generally very positive attitude on these forums, but the negative side of things needs to be apparent too.

OP: I'm sorry I've messed up your thread, it wasn't my intention to start a debate about this on here, I just thought I should give my 2cents and the other side of the story.

yeah i have my stock springs compressed as ive mentioned... and i dont doubt that my cars handling isnt as good as it could be... BUT i hate how harsh cars get with super stiff springs hence my choice to compress the standard ones... my car isnt all that harsh even with my 20s and no tyre combo.. and it still goes around corners nice enough for me

damn what a thread.....

ofcourse is money wasnt an option i would be gettin coils so it wouldnt be an issue, however its not.. so i have to settle for what i can afford..
and i cant justify 2k for coilovers at this stage.

having said that you guys do make a good point about mismatched springs..
however, all i wanted to know was how low ppl are goin with the ralliarts, which i eventually got inbetween everyone else's 10c's worth..

so thank you for the replies. and opinions.

I'm entitled to my own opinion. And using IMO superlows and lows together IS a drastic mismatch. You've got springs of mismatched heights, with mismatched springs rates, the dynamics of the car are gonna be very funky when pushed.

Just trying to give the other side of the story, so hopefully people are aware of the drawbacks and potential problems of lowering too far for aesthetics.

Whether it was your opinion or not, it wasn't needed, it wasn't answering the guys question, just causing commotion.

In response to the actual question, I saw a dumped Ralliart in Sydney once, must have been at least 1.5", and boy did it look pimp. But the Splitter was very very very close to the ground. So I would be careful of the hardness of the springs, any small bumps on softer springs, and that splitter would meet its new friend.. Bitumen.

Whether it was your opinion or not, it wasn't needed, it wasn't answering the guys question, just causing commotion.

In response to the actual question, I saw a dumped Ralliart in Sydney once, must have been at least 1.5", and boy did it look pimp. But the Splitter was very very very close to the ground. So I would be careful of the hardness of the springs, any small bumps on softer springs, and that splitter would meet its new friend.. Bitumen.


haha yeh and thats how you crack front bars.. not so fun :doubt:
i havent had this problem yet though.. been driving around for 18months this way.. not a bad effort i reckon :D

ill admit.

with the unbeilivably **** roads of sydney, my car is too bouncy to maintain any decent traction or handling control.

but.

when i took for a run on the old pacific hwy, it was excellent.

i dont think there are many 'matched' springs out there for a particular car. i say matched springs are standard manufacturer springs.

who knows how much R&D went into these off the shelve items we call aftermarket springs/

I believe Lovells still make SuperLows.. If you want it dumped say 50mm +/-

If you want it custom height.. Go see Jigzy at Ozzy Tyres and tell him Talha sent you.. they do KMac Custom Springs..

Your call... Good luck!

SuFz :rant:

mines lowered. pedders lowest on front. and dont know what on the rear, standard shocks. and 18" wheels as per sig.

the ride quality is quite horrible. you have to slow down for everything.

but it tracks really nicely, and it looks great.

you know you are sort of in love when ever you press that red button as you walk away, you turn your head around to have a lst look.

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/4144/picture021rk8.th.jpg (http://img174.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture021rk8.jpg)

Were u driving at Broadway on thursday morning at around 8?

heh yeah i have tafe at ultimo./..

so excited ppl are recognising my baby

Were u driving at Broadway on thursday morning at around 8?

and were you the one that prodded the throttle a few times as you past me?

Dainese I see your car parked all the time around ashfield! Looks gorgeous! Sif you haven't seen me around ultimo (UTS).

yeah, i live near there. ey, ey. keep an eye on it for me please... i get paranoid leaving it there.

i havent seen yours. i swear. i recognise your plate, ive seen your car, but not at uts or anything...

mines lowered. pedders lowest on front. and dont know what on the rear, standard shocks. and 18" wheels as per sig.

the ride quality is quite horrible. you have to slow down for everything.

but it tracks really nicely, and it looks great.

you know you are sort of in love when ever you press that red button as you walk away, you turn your head around to have a lst look.

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/4144/picture021rk8.th.jpg (http://img174.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture021rk8.jpg)

Sorry for the thread hijack... I'm looking to get very similar wheels, have you got any more pics of your Ralliart available?

Sorry for the thread hijack... I'm looking to get very similar wheels, have you got any more pics of your Ralliart available?

damn. they are a fairly common wheel, but never on a magna, or a ralliart magna.
oh well, sharing is caring.

http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/4426/picture019ia8.th.jpg (http://img396.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture019ia8.jpg)


Ive got a new bar on it now...

still looking for buyers for my old ralliart bar.

and were you the one that prodded the throttle a few times as you past me?

ah yeh just making sure u remembered me, i go to ultimo tafe aswell, where do u park?

ah yeh just making sure u remembered me, i go to ultimo tafe aswell, where do u park?

you gave me a death stare!

i park at carlton brewery. its only $8

you gave me a death stare!

i park at carlton brewery. its only $8

oops lol didnt mean to, i park in the uts parking, its $12 for the day, i want somewhere cheaper! where is the carlton brewery?

you know, your car park, and the lights going back on to broadway? straight ahead is the carlton brewery car park.

there will be an asian dude, and he will take $8 off ya and give u a ticket. the only downside is; early ppl (like us) will park against a wall. and late ppl will double park behind us. cars that double park must leave keys behind.

after all that, cross broadway, then past your old car park and you are back to crappy ultimo tech.


is you VRX lowered?

Dainese I see your car parked all the time around ashfield! Looks gorgeous! Sif you haven't seen me around ultimo (UTS).

i swear i dont recognise you or your car...

ive seen oyur plates.... somewhere......

Lol yeah, I park at this little hollowed out building at the haymarkets part of UTS which is where im always at ($10 for students).

is you VRX lowered?

nah its not yet... ask him in a few weeks.. it will be on the ground by then lol

nah its not yet... ask him in a few weeks.. it will be on the ground by then lol

heh heh

i drive mine everyday, and i must admit it is torture to hear crashing and banging, and have my teeth chatter because of Sydney's horrible down right **** roads.

i dropt my mates ralliart 2inchs, it had the front lip to so it was on the ground almost

i dropt my mates ralliart 2inchs, it had the front lip to so it was on the ground almost
Nice and illegal. Way to go.

Nice and illegal. Way to go.

its the only way they look good lol

its the only way they look good lol
Seeef. I think mine looks quite good, no lip and standard springs. :D

Seeef. I think mine looks quite good, no lip and standard springs. :D


:bowrofl: stop it you two mine looks heapz better with standard springs and a fcuked front bar :bowrofl:

I don't have a Ralliart, but my 97 TE I dumped 2.5 inches, not 100% sure of the springs.