Hi all!

Would just like to start a thread on what types of additives (Brands & type) do you guys use if any? And do you guys feel anything extra (mileage, power, etc.) when you use them on your 3rd Gen Magnas. I just got my car and was told by the mechanic that he recommends fuel injector cleaners every 3 months as Magnas have small nozzles in their fuel injectors and would clog up.

So far I've use only STP brands. I've tried their fuel and injector additives so far. It's one of those stuff you get at Super Cheap and put the whole bottle in your fuel tank. Honestly I can't feel or see anything different. But I guess they are supposed to clean the fuel line and tank and the injectors as well. Finished the fuel additive so far and currently running the injector cleaner. Will see if I get anything out of it.

Do sate your views! CHEERS!

STP to the engine every oil change. New motor or old motor, you can definitely feel the difference.

wynns carbon blast keeps my magnas inside clean

i think its gold stuff

I put a dose of Lucas oils "upper cylinder head lubricant" in the fuel tank every 3 months or so. Impossible to say whether or not it makes a difference, but it's good value (1 bottle treats about 600+ litres of fuel) and is a reputable product from a trusted name in performance lubricants - so I'm pretty confident that it isn't doing any harm.

lucas additives allmost obliterated the psiton rings on my old car. got a formula that stated to add 60% additive, 40% oil fo badly worn cars.. and had to wait until the car burnt through all of the oil before i regained the use of cylinder 3. personally i would never recommend them to anyone, but im sure others have had different experiences.

A bit of Nulon Worn Engine treatment in the crankcase every oil change keeps the lifters from making a racket. Apart from that just a little Injector cleaner every service time.

STP to the engine every oil change. New motor or old motor, you can definitely feel the difference.

Hi there!,

Was just wondering what types of STP products do you use and whats the difference?

Like I said I just got the car and I think its just been serviced but I just finished the tank of fuel with fuel additive/cleaner and currently using the injector cleaner with V-Power (Shell). Currently only used about 12 L of fuel though so have felt nothing and cannot say if I've got any extra mileage gains yet. Cheers!

Wynns Spitfire all the way! I love that stuff!

STP to the engine every oil change. New motor or old motor, you can definitely feel the difference.

i just feel the difference after the oil change, without additive, although my last service was with Kmart and they claim to have added some additive. I don't usually run any additives, I just stick to Shell V-Power, and there is no particular reason for sticking to Shell as opposed to other brands, i just like to stick to one brand where possible. But I am already getting on average 9-10L/100km on a tank

wynns carbon blast keeps my magnas inside clean

i think its gold stuff
where you get that? asked a mate at bursons a little while ago and he had no idea and it wasnt on their computer??

wynns :P ill find out how much its worth

theres a better one ive found but its a no name brand basicly the guy that cleans out injectors asked a chemical engineer to make a stronger one than whats avaiable allready

and it is tha **** ...

now my question is how can i post chemicals? is it alloud?

Im interested to see where you can get this Wynns stuff, its not on their website, but Ive heard it discussed on here once before.

Hey guys found the site about Wynns products. Hope it helps. http://www.wynns.net/consumer/retail-products
May try these products next time round.

Every so often i use the 98Ron Fuel with an Octane boost (which is what most of the so called injector cleaner ar anyway. Seems to help a bit. Usually the Nulon boost but sometimes other brands.

E10 Ethanol fuel is all i use, and just about all you can get in Nth QLD anywhay.
That stuff can clean the **** outta anything :) better then paying more for additives imho.

E10 Ethanol fuel is all i use, and just about all you can get in Nth QLD anywhay.
That stuff can clean the **** outta anything :) better then paying more for additives imho.

Hi!,

Well I've heard from my mechanic that you should stay away from Ethanol fuels as they promote rust. Current engines are not design for ethanol. In fact ethanol make the parts (not sure which parts) rust prematurely. Cheers.

Im interested to see where you can get this Wynns stuff, its not on their website, but Ive heard it discussed on here once before.

Mate just head down to your local servo, most servo's with a store add on will have it, I take a one minute drive to the one down in Whitebridge and pick it up $12 a bottle. Bloody brilliant stuff.

E10 Ethanol fuel is all i use, and just about all you can get in Nth QLD anywhay.
That stuff can clean the **** outta anything :) better then paying more for additives imho.

Thats because of the strong polarity of ethanol (CH2O5OH)

The OH group on the end is extremly polar, meaning the O has a slight electronegative charge and the H has slight electropositive charge.

In this way, it is able to pick up gunk on the way through the pipes and injectors.

Anyone who says it can damage or rust your engine or anything below 20% is wrong. Sorry, its that simple. I've had to do case study after case study on this, I've spent hundreds of hours researching it. Under 20%, there are no discernable effects to the engine. The only way it can cause any damage, is if it happens to react with crap already in there, meaning you are in trouble anyway. :doubt:

Thats because of the strong polarity of ethanol (CH2O5OH)

The OH group on the end is extremly polar, meaning the O has a slight electronegative charge and the H has slight electropositive charge.

In this way, it is able to pick up gunk on the way through the pipes and injectors.

Anyone who says it can damage or rust your engine or anything below 20% is wrong. Sorry, its that simple. I've had to do case study after case study on this, I've spent hundreds of hours researching it. Under 20%, there are no discernable effects to the engine. The only way it can cause any damage, is if it happens to react with crap already in there, meaning you are in trouble anyway. :doubt:

Gee thanx Magnatised!,

Thanx for shedding some light on this subject. So from what you are saying, using these ethanol blended fuels are good? Well at least for its cleaning properties? But to what effect? Is it a really good cleaner or using additives would be better or both? Also would you happen to have done any work on the lubricating properties on these fuels? Would it 'de lubricate' engine parts? Well looking forward to what you have to say. Many thanx for your input.

Cheers

Come on people is there any other brands besides Wynns you guys have used and liked?

Anyone knows the difference between fuel treatments and injector cleaners or would they be more or less the same stuff?

Also with those stop leaks products for radiators, power steering and gear boxes are they any good (effective) or a good product for preventive maintenance? Anyone?

Gee thanx Magnatised!,

Thanx for shedding some light on this subject. So from what you are saying, using these ethanol blended fuels are good? Well at least for its cleaning properties? But to what effect? Is it a really good cleaner or using additives would be better or both? Also would you happen to have done any work on the lubricating properties on these fuels? Would it 'de lubricate' engine parts? Well looking forward to what you have to say. Many thanx for your input.

Cheers

As far as lubricating properties, I wouldn't have a clue, that might be something I take up aftr my last HSC exam on friday.. The ethanol fuels beneficial to the car in small percentages. The cap at 10% is fine for your engine. It will electrostatically attract gunk in the the engine on its way through. The reason it has such a bad name is because years ago, Today Tonight did stories on it, scaring a public who didn't know any better, into thinking that ethanol damaged cars. Now even they have done a double back, but its too late, the general public perception is that ethanol is bad! But its good! However I'd still use Wynns spitfire every 2-3 months, to give those injectors a solid clean out.

As far as lubricating properties, I wouldn't have a clue, that might be something I take up aftr my last HSC exam on friday.. The ethanol fuels beneficial to the car in small percentages. The cap at 10% is fine for your engine. It will electrostatically attract gunk in the the engine on its way through. The reason it has such a bad name is because years ago, Today Tonight did stories on it, scaring a public who didn't know any better, into thinking that ethanol damaged cars. Now even they have done a double back, but its too late, the general public perception is that ethanol is bad! But its good! However I'd still use Wynns spitfire every 2-3 months, to give those injectors a solid clean out.

Cheers for that Magnatised! I now would dare to use E10! May use it after this tank of fuel. Hope E10 would give better fuel economy.

Cheers Guys Keep Those Comments Coming!!!

Just remember your car may run like crap for a few tanks of E10, due to the polar end of ethanol picking up things that oil will not pick up, such as water.

But after a few tanks it will run better.

E10 may or may not improve fuel economy, it certianly has a higher octane rating than unmixed petrol, and combusts more fully, and therefore lends to petrol being better used by the engine. Give it a go. Ethanol is non-corrosive by the way. The other guys comments about rust, well rust is a Ferrous Oxide, and so there must have been significant deposits of iron in the engine for this to form. How much of the engine where fuel actually passes through is made from iron? :confused: The rust issue is something I'd like to get to the bottom of.

As you can tell I'm up for all E10. I use it when I can! :D

Just remember your car may run like crap for a few tanks of E10, due to the polar end of ethanol picking up things that oil will not pick up, such as water.

But after a few tanks it will run better.

Ha yeah forgot to metion that. But he is right, just stay with it, and feel the ride of the car improve after a few go's.

Ethanol is a great idea, most newer cars can run up to 90% safely, but the petrol companies still have to make their money, so it's not "recommended" by the manufacturer.

1 If you used an addative and you think it did nothing, you either have a big problem or no problem. For an example if you used a radiator stop leak without a leaking radiator, and it didnt leak, you never had a problem. If on the other hand it had a leak and the stop leak didnt fix it, you DO have a problem, and your 15 bucks has leaked out!

2 Injector cleaner is a good idea, the theory is not to have problems and if it is working properly you should not have problems. It is better than having your local EFI tech cleaning the injectors.

3 If you use an engine flush to hopefully quieten a lifter and it doesnt work, it will prove that the lifter is worn, not dirty.

We do use a lot of Wynns products at our work, and as a rule they will do as they say they will, mostly as a prevetative, not a cure.
The products we use are not over the counter products, and are usually used with our Wynns flushing machines
Radiator flush together with Wynns coolant and stop leak.
Trans flush and conditoner.
Power steering flush and conditoner.
In tank injector cleaner, each service.
EFI system cleaner, works a treat.
Engine oil flush.
The above products suit our needs in the workshop, and whats more, we have to trust that they do their job because we wont see the cars for another 6 months.

Dave

Hi 99THSPORTS!,

Was just wondering if these stop leak products are of any good? I mean are they like a long term fix (if they work)? Would they be like a good preventive thingy to use?

I have an old Pajero (BTW, Trying to sell) which I think is leaking power steering fluid and thinking of using these products. Would you recommend a product that you think is good? I'm so undecided on what brand? STP, Lucas Oils, Wynns....... which to use?

Cheers!!!

Hi Gcquest, try any product, cant say if one is better than the other. like my post said if it fixes the problem, it wasnt realy that bad to start with, if it dont fix it, there is a problem which will need to be fixed the old fashioned way.
Re a radiator leak, if say you have a pinhole leak in a welch plug or metal pipe, like the pipe under your intake manifold, stop leak will only be a temporary cure as the corrosion will keep growing until the stop leak wont hold anymore, thak a small leak as a warning that something may need fixing sooner rather than later. If something is going to fail it will fail, the bottle in this case is only a bottle of time, and if you have the car for sale it may be just what you need.
Cheers

Hey Magnatised, you wouldnt happen to have or be able to get a picture of this carbon flush stuff would you? Ive been to a few servos but to no avail.

Gcquest, I can recomend the Lucas power steer product, I think they have one specifically for leaks; top stuff.

Gcquest, I can recomend the Lucas power steer product, I think they have one specifically for leaks; top stuff.

Thanx Vrex for that. Will try and fix my power steering leak asap. Cheers!

Mean time lets carry on with this thread. Do you use any additives?
What brand, type of additive and what you use it for.

Many thanx all!!!!
GCQUEST

Hey people, some people have recommended Lucas Oils. I was wondering how many people have used their products and was it a good or bad experience?

Do lets us know!

Cheers!