should my 93' TR be going thru a whole tank of fuel in 400 ks? i wokred it out 2 b about 6Ks per litre this is aprox what a v8 uses...its a 4cly. what could b the problem?

cheers in advance
daniel

If its auto then i'd say thats quite normal.

should my 93' TR be going thru a whole tank of fuel in 400 ks? i wokred it out 2 b about 6Ks per litre this is aprox what a v8 uses...its a 4cly. what could b the problem?

cheers in advance
daniel

in short yes, thats normal, and how did you get 6ks a litre? its usually 40L from F to E

']in short yes, thats normal, and how did you get 6ks a litre? its usually 40L from F to E


from empty to full was 62 litres

No mate. You're supposed to get better than that. My 92 Tr 2.6 auto uses around 10.5 litres per 100 ks on premium fuel; sometimes better. I get a shade under 550 per tank normally.

As tested when they were new these cars were supposed to get 11 - 11.5 litres per 100ks on regular unleaded city cycle and 8.5 highway.

If you like to get on the loud pedal a lot they'll use heaps of fuel. Go gently, use the engine's torque to get you along and you can do ok.

from empty to full was 62 litres

Wtf? surely your joking, the tank only holds 64L???

']Wtf? surely your joking, the tank only holds 64L???


62 litres. was how much fuel went in when i filled her up :confused:
whats wrong with that

wagon tanks are bigger than sedan tanks. i think by about 10litres? correct me if im wrong.
my car reads about 40litres from F to E...thats why i dont rely on my fuel gauge.

i would use your trip to work out how many km's you get. fill up, drive for 100kms then refill...that will give u an estimate on how much your car is using.

i will drive for 400+kms, then on average fill up to full with 40ish litres....sometimes more, sometimes less.
best ive ever got was 10.2litres per 100kms.

dont fill up your car and then look at your fuel gauge when it gets to half and then look at your trip and it says like 300kms and then say "my car get 600kms a tank" because thats what alot of people do on the forum and its a load of hog wash. anyone who says they get more than 100 kms per 10litres is more than likely pulling your leg because magnas were only rated at about 100kms per 10litres.

if you want good fuel economy, you may need to change your driving style. try not to rev it out, keep the revs down, and dont keep giving the car quick bursts with the throttle as it will get you no where and use twice as much fuel.

Just so we're clear, I always calculate my fuel usage properly - actual litres used per actual ks travelled. It is the only way.

I've got the Exec Wagon ('96 TS) with the 2.4 Auto & just started to track my fuel usage (using software), 1st results in was 10.945 lt/100km
This Friday I'll be calculating my 2nd lot

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From drive.com.au (http://www.drive.com.au/buy/market_value/car_details.asp?nvic=0XI&make=MITSUBISHI&model=MAGNA&series=EXECUTIVE&year=1996&body=4D+WAGON) for the Maggie Exec Wagon

Tank Capacity 71 litres

Highway Fuel Consumption 8 (lt/100km)

City Fuel Consumption 11.5 (lt/100km)

Generally if i fill up as soon as my empty light comes on, it'll take 42L +/- 1L.

Driving until the empty light comes on, i get about 450-480kms highway, and around 400-420kms town driving.

should my 93' TR be going thru a whole tank of fuel in 400 ks? i wokred it out 2 b about 6Ks per litre this is aprox what a v8 uses...its a 4cly. what could b the problem?

cheers in advance
daniel

if ur running it to almost empty then yes thats a problem. i get about 400ish km of 45ish L
u could b really dirty... jst clean and replace everything, like ur filters, leads, plugs, do an oil flush, injector flush... could b a number of things. is it smooth to drive?

dont fill up your car and then look at your fuel gauge when it gets to half and then look at your trip and it says like 300kms and then say "my car get 600kms a tank" because thats what alot of people do on the forum and its a load of hog wash. anyone who says they get more than 100 kms per 10litres is more than likely pulling your leg because magnas were only rated at about 100kms per 10litres.

lol my old engine used to get around 9L/100km/h mostly all city driving (not much peak hour).

New engine has gotten between 350-550 a tank, big difference when putting the loud pedal down... still the worst it gets to is about 12L/100

Today i filled up my tank all the way with premium....drove about 140kms and the fuel guage was down to half way...:cry:

No idea why my fuel usage is so bad....:doubt:

I have a kr verada with a dohc in it.....but my fuel consumption had been bad even before the new dohc ngine was put in.....

400ks per tank is normalish, should be getting between 420-450 ideally depending on drivin style

in exactly 50 litres last time i filled up or normal unleaded i got 600km outa it, that was a fair amount of highway, but also pushed it hard mostly 2nd gear through the mountains and a bit of city driving, was stoked

62 litres. was how much fuel went in when i filled her up :confused:
whats wrong with that

The 2nd gen sedans have a 64 litre tank and my old modified KS did on average 7.5km/ltr
with heavy driving. It is not a good idea to run you tank that dry, all the sludge at the
bottom gets sucked up causing blocked fuel filters and injectors etc.

400ks per tank is normalish, should be getting between 420-450 ideally depending on drivin style

At the rate my car is chewing thru the petrol, im not even gettin 300 km...

I've got the Exec Wagon ('96 TS) with the 2.4 Auto & just started to track my fuel usage (using software), 1st results in was 10.945 lt/100km
This Friday I'll be calculating my 2nd lot


2.4???

sedan tanks are 64litres, and wagon tanks are 71 litres. i only ever fill up with unleaded and fill up when i hit 400kms, then it takes approx 40litres to top up.

highway runs will always get you more km's.

All I know is revving it out to 3k or 3.5k on acceleration gets me about 300-350kms but if I keep it below 2.5k I can get about 450-500, makes a fair difference I think. On freeway driving even with fairly hard acceleration from the random country freeway traffic lights I get about 350ks from half a tank (32L).

I get about 600kms +- per tank
but thats gone down from 700 since the bottom end went on my 5th cyclinder... now its a little bit thirsty :(

I get about 600kms +- per tank
but thats gone down from 700 since the bottom end went on my 5th cyclinder... now its a little bit thirsty :(

How do you achieve that?

I still cant figure out how there can be 300kms difference between us in usage

anyone?

I think those who have manual transmissions and/or v6's should refrain from posting their fuel economy readings, as is doesnt directly relate to the original question...

offtaptr, how many kms has your car done and whats the general state of your engine? is it regularly maintained? and what has been replaced recently (if anything).

If you want an increase in economy, i'd start by doing an oil change and refilling with a 15w oil. Check your ignition timing and air filter condition also.

I think those who have manual transmissions and/or v6's should refrain from posting their fuel economy readings, as is doesnt directly relate to the original question...


i was always lead to believe that fuel consumption figures were roughly the same between the 4cyl and 6cyl?

i was always lead to believe that fuel consumption figures were roughly the same between the 4cyl and 6cyl?

6cyls are generally better... Although a manual 4cyl may be roughly the same as an auto 6.

its done 260,000 ks the engine to my knowlege has no problems. and yeah just chews the juice and i ****s me im gettin a new car when i get an apprenticeship.

daniel

manual doesnt help you just want to floor it more:badgrin:

pfft... sif us manual v6 :badgrin: owners can't post our fuel consumption... :( i don't like u no more.....

manual doesnt help you just want to floor it more:badgrin:

I'd imagine those Ford Territory wheels won't do your fuel consumption any good. They are
pretty heavy wheels.

yeah the V6 uses less fuel than the 4 cylinder, due to a much more modern design and the fact that it has to do less effort to achieve the same task.

The 4 cylinder is known to be thirsty, those that get 10L/100km around the city, regardless of it being an automatic or manual are very lucky. The old method of working out fuel economy (city/country cycle) is known to be invalid. Didn't they work that out on a dyno or something?

Apparently even the most attentive driver on a flat road would be lucky to get close to the old fuel economy ratings. Now they use combined city/country cyle which is calculated a different way. If both were accurate and comparable it would mean cars are less efficient now than they were 15 years ago...

I heard you should expect out of the ordinary 2.6L, without modifications about 14 to 15L/100km for the auto and about 13 to 14 for the manual, depending on how you drive it and how worn the engine is. For the highway around 9.5L/100km for the manual and about 10L for the auto. Any more than that out of the 4 cyclinder you're very lucky, or have done some mods to it that have helped!

For slightly better economy, if your engine isn't too worn you could use a 10W oil, such as Penrite HPR10. If this is a slight issue use Morey's oil stabiliser with it at 25 percent mix (which you sould anyway) as it helps keep the engine lubricated even when the engine is off. Then use a bottle of Nulon worn engine treatment.

Oh on the worn engine treatment side of things, apparently with the Nulon one that lasts 80,000km (much better to use the one every fill since then you can use an engine flush through the engine which is recommended) was put into a Commodore. Big deal you say? well they put it in, let it settle. THEN THEY DRAINED ALL THE OIL and drove between Melbourne and Sydney WITHOUT ANY OIL IN IT. Sure it woulld have stuffed it up, but the fact the car went that far shows the stuff does actually work. This test was conducted by RMIT, and you can check out the Nulon website if you don't believe me. I know that manufacturers tell tall tales to sell their products, especially overseas companies, but since its in Australia the ACCC would have something to say if this claim was made up.

fuel consumption on my magna has gone backwards since putting these 17x8 ford fairlane wheels on running 235/45/17 tyres . got about 12.5 ltres per 100klm cruising at 110-120klph this was on lpgas though. just wondered if i should have put those big wheels on but it looks and handles better. I run valvoline xld engine armour 15w-40 also with a pro-ma engine additive also run an additive in the gearbox (auto ) and pro-ma in the power steering.have just replaced the sparkplugs with some 3 electrode klg from super cheap, now i have a miss in the motor.

fuel consumption on my magna has gone backwards since putting these 17x8 ford fairlane wheels on running 235/45/17 tyres . got about 12.5 ltres per 100klm cruising at 110-120klph this was on lpgas though. just wondered if i should have put those big wheels on but it looks and handles better. I run valvoline xld engine armour 15w-40 also with a pro-ma engine additive also run an additive in the gearbox (auto ) and pro-ma in the power steering.have just replaced the sparkplugs with some 3 electrode klg from super cheap, now i have a miss in the motor.

What kind of spark plugs were they? As in brand?

spark plugs are called KLG a very old trusted brand been around since before ww1 ,but have been missing from the aussie market for sometime. misfire has been traced to coil lead. i have a little gizzmo on there that increase spark or something like that got it off ebay. put a new lead on with my little gizmo which i moved closer to the distributor. now no misfire and a increase in throttle response. its called a STROMBERG HIGH EFFICIENTY CONVERTER. their for sale on ebay under air fuel and water accessories

Oh on the worn engine treatment side of things, apparently with the Nulon one that lasts 80,000km (much better to use the one every fill since then you can use an engine flush through the engine which is recommended) was put into a Commodore. Big deal you say? well they put it in, let it settle. THEN THEY DRAINED ALL THE OIL and drove between Melbourne and Sydney WITHOUT ANY OIL IN IT. Sure it woulld have stuffed it up, but the fact the car went that far shows the stuff does actually work. This test was conducted by RMIT, and you can check out the Nulon website if you don't believe me. I know that manufacturers tell tall tales to sell their products, especially overseas companies, but since its in Australia the ACCC would have something to say if this claim was made up.

Great write up dude :D
Learnt alot from it!

As for the nulon stuff, it's great!
It costs around $37 for a bottle but it's well worth it.
After using it in the old TS, it made the engine sound more quieter and *clean*.
Got rid of a lot of ticking noises too.

Only thing is, I can't seem to find it in any supercheaps or repco's anymore!! I've been looking for a few months too to put it in the Sigma :cry:

http://www.nulon.com.au/images/large/e30.jpg

Great write up dude :D
Learnt alot from it!

As for the nulon stuff, it's great!
It costs around $37 for a bottle but it's well worth it.
After using it in the old TS, it made the engine sound more quieter and *clean*.
Got rid of a lot of ticking noises too.

Only thing is, I can't seem to find it in any supercheaps or repco's anymore!! I've been looking for a few months too to put it in the Sigma :cry:

http://www.nulon.com.au/images/large/e30.jpg

I have it at my work, if u want it tell me ill get it and send it off to ya

']I have it at my work, if u want it tell me ill get it and send it off to ya
You got some!!
Shiit

I'll grab one off you when i get paid!!
Thanks paul :D

Champion

They have the nulon stuff at big w...

The closest big ws to you dimi would be chullora and auburn...

offtaptr, when was the last time you replaced your fuel filter?

anyone?
You have a completely different motor to most of us, the only people who can answer your question are killbilly and gotrice, but you might find that it's normal.

As for the original quesiton, 400kms isn't too bad, but it definitely could be better. My TR in it's prime was doing around 600kms per 60 litres, or 10l/100km combined, that was an auto 4 cylinder with 300,000 kms on the clock. It went down when i put the falcon rims on it and after market muffler.
But it didn't start getting good consumption by itself, when i first bought the car i was getting 250kms to 60 litres! Here's what i did that all seemed to help:
- Made sure i always had o/d on.
- never used power mode.
Those 2 put me up to around 350kms out of 60 litres.
I then had the car thoroughly serviced which included:
- standard oil replacement etc.
- new filters (including fuel filter)
- auto tranny service - basically just flushed the tranny oil out and put new oil in.
This got me up between 4-450.
Then my car started to misfire, needed new spark plugs/leads and at the same time my TPS and ISC were stuffed, replaced all these and started getting 550kms to 60 litres.
Then finally i added a CAI, which helped highway economy ALOT, but didn't do much for city driving. If i did 50/50 i'd get between 550-600. If i used optimax i pushed 650.

You have a completely different motor to most of us, the only people who can answer your question are killbilly and gotrice, but you might find that it's normal.




I actually had bad fuel economy even before I changed the engine....so I doubt it is because of the new engine or because of spark plugs etc...

You have a completely different motor to most of us, the only people who can answer your question are killbilly and gotrice, but you might find that it's normal.

As for the original quesiton, 400kms isn't too bad, but it definitely could be better. My TR in it's prime was doing around 600kms per 60 litres, or 10l/100km combined, that was an auto 4 cylinder with 300,000 kms on the clock. It went down when i put the falcon rims on it and after market muffler.
But it didn't start getting good consumption by itself, when i first bought the car i was getting 250kms to 60 litres! Here's what i did that all seemed to help:
- Made sure i always had o/d on.
- never used power mode.
Those 2 put me up to around 350kms out of 60 litres.
I then had the car thoroughly serviced which included:
- standard oil replacement etc.
- new filters (including fuel filter)
- auto tranny service - basically just flushed the tranny oil out and put new oil in.
This got me up between 4-450.
Then my car started to misfire, needed new spark plugs/leads and at the same time my TPS and ISC were stuffed, replaced all these and started getting 550kms to 60 litres.
Then finally i added a CAI, which helped highway economy ALOT, but didn't do much for city driving. If i did 50/50 i'd get between 550-600. If i used optimax i pushed 650.

Nice guide!
Going to give it a go.
650km per tank!!
Far out :shock:

I actually had bad fuel economy even before I changed the engine....so I doubt it is because of the new engine or because of spark plugs etc...
It could be that your new engine just chews more petrol anyway. The only way it wouldn't be the engine is if it was something that wasn't changed, eg. tranny or fuel filter.

Have you serviced the transmission lately? Have you changed the fuel filter?

M4DDOG, i use O/D off around town as the engine actually works harder when it has O/D on and trys to actually move somewhere, its like the engine is labouring itself to move.
Im not sure if it uses more fuel or not but i feel like a granny with it on, especially below65k's

']M4DDOG, i use O/D off around town as the engine actually works harder when it has O/D on and trys to actually move somewhere, its like the engine is labouring itself to move.
Im not sure if it uses more fuel or not but i feel like a granny with it on, especially below65k's
Wastes a lot of fuel with it off but doesn't it?

']M4DDOG, i use O/D off around town as the engine actually works harder when it has O/D on and trys to actually move somewhere, its like the engine is labouring itself to move.
Im not sure if it uses more fuel or not but i feel like a granny with it on, especially below65k's
Drive like a granny and save fuel, drive like a p plater and you don't save fuel, pretty simple equation.

']M4DDOG, i use O/D off around town as the engine actually works harder when it has O/D on and trys to actually move somewhere, its like the engine is labouring itself to move.
Im not sure if it uses more fuel or not but i feel like a granny with it on, especially below65k's

The whole purpose of the OD gear is to reduce fuel consumption where the engine turns
less than the gear box as opposed to reduction gears where the engine turns more than
the transmission.

You have a completely different motor to most of us, the only people who can answer your question are killbilly and gotrice, but you might find that it's normal.



yep ill say it again, your consumption shouldn't be too bad with the DOHC except if you put the foot down, getting everywhere quicker chews the fuel, ie i didnt that for most of a tank and got 350km's out of it then my next tank i got over the fact that my car is faster and drove normally and then i got 500km's.

offtaptr, when was the last time you replaced your fuel filter?

dad replacedit 4 me bout 2months ago

should my 93' TR be going thru a whole tank of fuel in 400 ks? i wokred it out 2 b about 6Ks per litre this is aprox what a v8 uses...its a 4cly. what could b the problem?

cheers in advance
daniel

In all my v8 driving days i have never been able to get to 400 k's...

my .02 cents:)

In all my v8 driving days i have never been able to get to 400 k's...

my .02 cents:)


the new FPV get 6ks 2 a litre

i got 600 to a tank, but that was on my drive from Sydney to Melb, otherwise 400 is what i get driving around normally.