just wondering what my options are, was gonna post this in the Wanted section, but would rather get some more info on it in here, done a search and havnt found much, im just looking to get something with a decent increase in power, just want to know what will fit and what cost i am looking at etc. as now i have the option of SCing or Turboing my magna.
any info would be sweet.
cheers,
Tristan

I checked with Sprintex a month or two ago, its a no go for anything less than a 3L magna. :(

just emailed JustJap and AdelaideJap in regards to some of the SC's that they have for sale, im waiting to hear back from them :)

I was goin to sc mine, but i opted for the turbo setup, if your gonna get a SC then look into Paxton.

paxton are centrifugal so are going to be efficient. you want a centrifugal system basically like a belt driven turbo.

Well then why wouldn't you get a turbo. You get lag with both(centrifugals need revs to spin fast enough) but the turbo uses energy from the exhaust which would otherwise just be vented.:P

sc is better because you get power/torque down low. and im lucky if i rev past 2500 normal driving. cept when i give it some of the lights. so all the turbo is a novelty. id rather get something that will help at normal driving.

just found out a SC14 will fit nicely, now i just need to find one lol

sc is better because you get power/torque down low. and im lucky if i rev past 2500 normal driving. cept when i give it some of the lights. so all the turbo is a novelty. id rather get something that will help at normal driving.

The astron is better set up for turbo format. IT has plenty of low down torque to get the turbo spooling easier, and the atmo engine lacks any sign of top end power... which is where the turbo takes over.

An SC setup isnt worth the hassle, when better gains can be had with a turbo.

Also mate, had a quick look at ur profile... it says ur car is an auto, correct?

If so then first thing to do would be a manual conversion. The auto will pack it in at any sign of high power lol.

whats the sc14 off of i cant find anything about it. firestorm im interested in this as i want more power down low. it hasnt got enough yet. it needs at least an extra 50%

i think its off a toyota, check http://www.adelaidejap.com.au/Turbos%20&%20SChargers.htm

had a chat to a mate of mine whos doing my lowering springs about SCing my car, he said it will pretty much rape and kill my engine, so im guessing its kinda out of the question... :(

why would it do that? did he say why.

I take it you got your vic lisence? lol

P's or full?

full in may next year. damn stupid p's:rant:

full in may next year. damn stupid p's:rant:
haha, i was talking about tristian dude

whats the sc14 off of i cant find anything about it. firestorm im interested in this as i want more power down low. it hasnt got enough yet. it needs at least an extra 50%

What mods do you have?

i think its off a toyota, check http://www.adelaidejap.com.au/Turbos%20&%20SChargers.htm

had a chat to a mate of mine whos doing my lowering springs about SCing my car, he said it will pretty much rape and kill my engine, so im guessing its kinda out of the question... :(

Engine should survive if its in decent mechanical order. Transmission will pack it in after heavy torque transfer.

One thing to consider with the s/c is the parasitic loss to the astron; i'd consider pissing off air con, and getting an electric water pump also.

at the moment no mods cept wheels. at tafe for 2 weeks then going into a job. so $$$ to spendlol

I take it you got your vic lisence? lol

P's or full?

dunno yet, changed my address on NetBank and now waiting for the new statement i ordered to be delievered to show that im living in melb, then ill be down to Vic Roads and changing it over. unsure of p's of full but i think p's, and thats alright, i dont mind :)


Engine should survive if its in decent mechanical order. Transmission will pack it in after heavy torque transfer.

approx time that would take? the engine is running fine atm, just did the Sydney to Melb trip with out a care, i flushed the oil (2wice coz it looked like Mitsubishi serviceing hadnt done it when they were supposed to) and put new oil, new spark plugs, new leads, and new oil filter.
how long will it last? if it only lasts a year or two ill be happy lol

this is the SC that im looking at getting;
http://www.alibaba.com/catalog/10342555/Supercharger.html

Depends on how much power you're planning on getting out of it. (ie, how much boost will you run?).

At a guess... i'd say the auto wouldnt like anything over the 120kwatw mark.

just found out a SC14 will fit nicely, now i just need to find one lol

How did you find out it will fit nicely ? and where ? need info :D

Also, that link you provided to the charger, it seems a little expensive. If its been fully rebuilt then maybe its good price but if its just been cleaned up (externally), its a rip off. I bought mine from a toyota wreckers for $300 AU.

I still havent got around to fixing it :doubt: Also, i dont know if we just had a DUD one, but when one was on my brothers commie, it was a little noisy. It has a clutch on it so its all good though.

Depends on how much power you're planning on getting out of it. (ie, how much boost will you run?).

At a guess... i'd say the auto wouldnt like anything over the 120kwatw mark.

id be very happy with that :D


How did you find out it will fit nicely ? and where ? need info :D

Also, that link you provided to the charger, it seems a little expensive. If its been fully rebuilt then maybe its good price but if its just been cleaned up (externally), its a rip off. I bought mine from a toyota wreckers for $300 AU.

been chatting to Adelaide Jap :)


Yes the sc14 would work on your motor but we have none in stock at the
moment. Try again mid January.

and yeah i wouldnt spend over $300, i wouldnt be buying off that singapour site that was just to show which SC i was looking at. im still looking around for one.

just another question, once ive gotten the SC, what else to i need, eg; intercooler etc.? and if anyone has an approx cost of those items would be great.
cheers,
Tristan

sc14 SuperCharger approx $300
350cc Injectors approx $200
Intercooler $150 - $300
PiggyBack ECU approx $400
labour and custom work - going to ProTek on monday to find out.

turbo is the way to go I nearly doubled my power when I built my tr turbo from scratch, then again the power you will make having boost is the same as a mazda 6

is it worth it?

www.capa.com.au

sc14 SuperCharger approx $300
350cc Injectors approx $200
Intercooler $150 - $300
PiggyBack ECU approx $400
labour and custom work - going to ProTek on monday to find out.

Custom piping add another $300 and it aint going to be easy making piping for it either.

www.capa.com.au

Why must the paxtons be so expensive :(:(

Do these come on some cars as stock items ?

Depends on how much power you're planning on getting out of it. (ie, how much boost will you run?).

At a guess... i'd say the auto wouldnt like anything over the 120kwatw mark.
Power isn't the limiting factor here, it's the torque increase that kills transmissions. In my personal opinion I would think that the autos can handle a greater torque increase over a manual as the torque converter will absorb some of that torque.

In my opinion CV joints are going to be the greatest limiting factor in the torque transfer. What's your opinion Monga and ViP?

And regarding cost of installation, I would think that it's going to be pretty similar with the SC possibly costing more. Both need an upgraded fuel system and piggyback/stand alone ECU, intercooler is recommended for both, turbo needs a custom exhaust manifold and piping
supercharger will need custom drive pulley and piping as well


I'm thinking that the turbo would be cheaper to buy second hand as there are more of them on the market.

I'm not trying to sway you either way, just pointing out some of the similarities/differences.

Why do you want injectors that are 20cc bigger than what you already got? The Blue injectors in Astron 2's (2nd gens) are 330cc already

@ tmichelsons, I forgot to tell you, you can get a stock R32/33/34 intercooler for really cheap ( $40 max ) and they arent to bad.

My mate upgraded his r33 cooler to an r34 one he might be willing to sell it if you want it.

met Jason who owns the a JSPECRACING at copa tonight...
he said that i should have a normal every day car, and a car that i can get work done too, he also said that turboing would end up being cheaper than SCing coz it would require more work to handle the torque and that cost would end up being approx $3,000 - $4,000.
he said that doing up and NA, example: extractors pod and what not, he said wouldnt really be worth it
so im just do sound system and DVD stuff which he is going to hook me up with.
cheers,
Tristan.

met Jason who owns the a JSPECRACING at copa tonight...
he said that i should have a normal every day car, and a car that i can get work done too, he also said that turboing would end up being cheaper than SCing coz it would require more work to handle the torque and that cost would end up being approx $3,000 - $4,000.
he said that doing up and NA, example: extractors pod and what not, he said wouldnt really be worth it
so im just do sound system and DVD stuff which he is going to hook me up with.
cheers,
Tristan.
3,000-4,000 for a turbo? Wow... I might consider getting myself one!

3,000-4,000 for a turbo? Wow... I might consider getting myself one!

And he reckons super charging it will be more expensive ? I reckon i could get mine charged for under $3k.

Alot of talk and no action :rant:

lol jokes

But seriously, I want to see one of you guys supercharge a 2nd gen FFS!!!

No way will u get ur car turboed for 3.000 to 4.000, all up it will cost you about 7 to 8k, unless you find someone selling a turbo kit for a magna that is directly bolt on.

No way will u get ur car turboed for 3.000 to 4.000, all up it will cost you about 7 to 8k, unless you find someone selling a turbo kit for a magna that is directly bolt on.

Exactly!!! nothing more needs to be said!!!

Supercharging would be a lot cheaper than turbocharging!!!

No way will u get ur car turboed for 3.000 to 4.000, all up it will cost you about 7 to 8k, unless you find someone selling a turbo kit for a magna that is directly bolt on.
Anybody want to sell me one then :P

im telling you what i was told last night, ill try and get more info then ill let you know :)

4k mate, what computer are you going to run, nintendo 64?

Its 10k plus buying most things new and for a good setup including computer ect and no sh*tty small coolers ect

ecu 1k
clutch 1k
cooler/piping 1k
zorst 1k

theres 4 off the back, my profile has about 30odd bits when i built mine from the ground up

4k mate, what computer are you going to run, nintendo 64?

Its 10k plus buying most things new and for a good setup including computer ect and no sh*tty small coolers ect

ecu 1k
clutch 1k
cooler/piping 1k
zorst 1k

theres 4 off the back, my profile has about 30odd bits when i built mine from the ground up
thank you for the reality check, was long overdue!

4k mate, what computer are you going to run, nintendo 64?

bwahahaa got me rofling at that one :bowrofl:

4k mate, what computer are you going to run, nintendo 64?

Its 10k plus buying most things new and for a good setup including computer ect and no sh*tty small coolers ect

ecu 1k
clutch 1k
cooler/piping 1k
zorst 1k

theres 4 off the back, my profile has about 30odd bits when i built mine from the ground up

snes mate, theyre a touch cheaper. Take away 1k, coz he wants to try run it on an auto box (- clutch).
Dont know what kinda exhaust is gonna cost you 1k either...

I dont think we're trying to build a car that runs sub13's here... just something thats a little quicker -100km than standard.

I'd say:
1k ecu
600 exhaust
250 fuel pump
150 head gasket
-600 2nd hand s/c, belt & pulley
-500 2nd hand i/c & piping

Then theres probably another 1k thats will be needed to be spent on **** like; fluids and filters, replace some misc hoses, engine mounts, driveshafts, etc...

Easily do-able for under $5k dude, if you do it on the cheap. Just be prepared to do alot of labour yourself... which isnt too hard... and dont expect any miracles in terms of performance gains. Propperly tuned on low boost, probably get just a smidgen under 100kwatw. Which isnt 'too' bad, considering an auto astron pulls around the 60-70kwatw mark stock.

You just have to consider whether its feasible for the price...

how do you know what size supercharger to get. they say things like cfm and max boost. how do i know which to choose?

how do you know what size supercharger to get. they say things like cfm and max boost. how do i know which to choose?


cfm is the measure of air it can steadily flow (cubic feet/minute). Max boost is probably the highest boost it can handle? :confused:

Can somebody with come FI experiece shed some light on this plz?

snes mate, theyre a touch cheaper. Take away 1k, coz he wants to try run it on an auto box (- clutch).
Dont know what kinda exhaust is gonna cost you 1k either...

I dont think we're trying to build a car that runs sub13's here... just something thats a little quicker -100km than standard.

I'd say:
1k ecu
600 exhaust
250 fuel pump
150 head gasket
-600 2nd hand s/c, belt & pulley
-500 2nd hand i/c & piping

Then theres probably another 1k thats will be needed to be spent on **** like; fluids and filters, replace some misc hoses, engine mounts, driveshafts, etc...

Easily do-able for under $5k dude, if you do it on the cheap. Just be prepared to do alot of labour yourself... which isnt too hard... and dont expect any miracles in terms of performance gains. Propperly tuned on low boost, probably get just a smidgen under 100kwatw. Which isnt 'too' bad, considering an auto astron pulls around the 60-70kwatw mark stock.

You just have to consider whether its feasible for the price...


You find a place who will make a 3inch turbo system custom with highflow cat and cannon for under 1k fitted, a good highflow cat is 250, cannon is 150odd, then piping ect plus fabrication...

600bucks might get you something half decent, better than a cat back machine.

1k for your computer, but tuning a base car from NA to TURBO is a good 4-8hrs on a dyno around 100dollars per hr theres another 800bucks. Fuel pump remember FPR, INJECTORS ect.

Talking is easy, doing is totally different post again when its finished with complete costs ect.

I'm talking from experience here going from 95fwhp stock to 171fwhp @ 10psi and rebuilding a GTR making over 500rwhp

You find a place who will make a 3inch turbo system custom with highflow cat and cannon for under 1k fitted, a good highflow cat is 250, cannon is 150odd, then piping ect plus fabrication...

600bucks might get you something half decent, better than a cat back machine.

1k for your computer, but tuning a base car from NA to TURBO is a good 4-8hrs on a dyno around 100dollars per hr theres another 800bucks. Fuel pump remember FPR, INJECTORS ect.

Talking is easy, doing is totally different post again when its finished with complete costs ect.

I'm talking from experience here going from 95fwhp stock to 171fwhp @ 10psi and rebuilding a GTR making over 500rwhp

Umm... have you read the name of this thread at all mate?

We're talking about supercharging, not turbocharging.

You'll only need 2.5" piping, highflow cat, res & rear muffler. Should be doable for around 600.
I'm not sure what the stock FPR is capable of... so you raise a good point there mate :), but i think the stock injectors are more than adequate for low boost applications.

Though the dyno tuning part is also a good point... i forgot all about that. :)

Oh and btw... not having a poke at ya or anything... but i couldnt imagine it would be too hard to make 500rwhp from a gtr.

Umm... have you read the name of this thread at all mate?

We're talking about supercharging, not turbocharging.

You'll only need 2.5" piping, highflow cat, res & rear muffler. Should be doable for around 600.
I'm not sure what the stock FPR is capable of... so you raise a good point there mate :), but i think the stock injectors are more than adequate for low boost applications.

Though the dyno tuning part is also a good point... i forgot all about that. :)

Oh and btw... not having a poke at ya or anything... but i couldnt imagine it would be too hard to make 500rwhp from a gtr.


GTR'S make 270rwhp stock, doubling power in any application requires alot of effort, time and cash.

Your injectors will fail and FPR will fail also

isnt it at all wheels in a gtr. i thought they were awd. not rear wheel hp. and thats going from 200 kw to about 370 kw. i emailed capa about a supercharger and this is the second time they havnet replied. ill have to ring them then:rant: :rant:

how would i choose one?

Umm... have you read the name of this thread at all mate?

We're talking about supercharging, not turbocharging.

You'll only need 2.5" piping, highflow cat, res & rear muffler. Should be doable for around 600.
I'm not sure what the stock FPR is capable of... so you raise a good point there mate :), but i think the stock injectors are more than adequate for low boost applications.

Though the dyno tuning part is also a good point... i forgot all about that. :)

Oh and btw... not having a poke at ya or anything... but i couldnt imagine it would be too hard to make 500rwhp from a gtr.
As monga said, you definatly will want to upgrade your fuel pump, regulator and injectors. 8 psi is 8 psi, no matter if it comes from a turbo or supercharger.

With the exhaust, your main cost is in the fabrication, the cost for different size piping is negligable.

If anything a turbo may be cheaper as you can buy a second handy off of ebay and then there's the exhaust manifold and dump pipe that needs to be done. Whereas with the supercharger you may be able to find a second handy but then there's the problem of where do you run it off? The water pump pulley is really the only option, but can it handle the extra load? then you need to get the charger pulley the right size and have the mounting custom fabricated.

The rest will all be the same, no matter what you use, fuel system, intake piping, intercooler(not neccessary, but a good idea), ecu, etc.

Monga's 10k is pretty correct if you buy new and get a workshop to do the job. If you buy everything secondhand/ebay and do the fabricating yourself you could cut the cost a fair bit, possibly halve it but it will take a fair bit longer.

btw Monga did you end up fixing the fuel issues that you had? I can't recall hearing if you ended up getting the project running or not.

GTR's are dynoed in RWD mode most of the time, 270 fiqure is in the rears.

Tommo, I stopped after a smashed the head gasket then sold the kit and the car I wasnt willing to waste another few months and few k messing with it, by time i fixed the fuel issues something else would have let go because i would of exceeded 200fwhp, expecting the gearbox

to many people talk on these forums, they should focus on doing and know what they are on about before they post.

If you don't know some basic principles about using forced induction don't ever bother attempting it, its all good saying well I can get this, this and this for 4k then just bang it together, your dreaming

speak to guys with black beard and some of the other dudes doing major mods, it never turns out how it is expected

As monga said, you definatly will want to upgrade your fuel pump, regulator and injectors. 8 psi is 8 psi, no matter if it comes from a turbo or supercharger.

I understand that... but we're not talking 8psi here are we... i dont think he'd be able to run anywhere near that amount. Probably only 4-5psi.

And i also understand that it will take 10k to produce a decent setup with fairly good gains... but we're also not talking about that either.

We're talking about doing it on the cheap, to make +20-30kw. Not doing a big job producing 80kw+. Running 4psi the stock injectors will do fine. Running 4psi will not create enough heat to require an intercooler, although thats probably more up to personal preference/budget.

I'll invite the family around so I can cook my bbq

but how do we make selections on which supercharger fits our purpose

I'll invite the family around so I can cook my bbq

lol wtf... lol
Care to explain that 1? lol

edit*

Dw... i get it now lol lol

But seriously.. i couldn't see it being that bad... surely not off 4psi.
As stated previously... the stock blue injectors are 330cc.

btw, just out of curiosity, whats your 0-100 time in the gtr monga? I wouldnt mind lookin at an r32 maybe in 12-18 months time.. but i wouldnt do alot of work to it, probably only light mods... more of a w/e car. Stock time would be around the 5sec mark right? (given the condition of the engine.. theyre not brand new anymore heh).

Suitable Turbo sizes would be td05 14g + or t25/28. Superchargers I'm not sure but nothing big I know people using chargers of old sprinters on VL's, so that would be fine on a magna.

Correct launch my GTR will manage 60ft times around 1.65-1.75
0-100kmph would be around 4-4.5 seconds, in my application

GTR's true power is from 130kmph-190kmph though

On the injectors, mine stock ones maxed out at 7psi on a non aggressive tune. It would be much better and safe getting some larger ones to prevent any damage, also a small intercooler.

Even saabs give there cars tiny coolers

heres a cheap kit to start off with, it will suit the magna, just change the piping around abit, its only suitable fot the 4g54/g54b engine

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/CONQUEST-STARION-STOCK-TURBO-SYSTEM_W0QQitemZ130053499492QQihZ003QQcategoryZ337 42QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

sorry to sound blunt but this thread is about supercharging not turbocharging.

sorry to sound blunt but this thread is about supercharging not turbocharging.

i dont mean to sound blunt either, Get your reading glasses on buddy or go back to school.


just wondering what my options are, was gonna post this in the Wanted section, but would rather get some more info on it in here, done a search and havnt found much, im just looking to get something with a decent increase in power, just want to know what will fit and what cost i am looking at etc. as now i have the option of SCing or Turboing my magna.
any info would be sweet.
cheers,
Tristan

Monga, you say that the TD05 is the best bet for the Astron. You have also run a TD04L(going by your profile here), also you have too ViP, what did you find this like? I would have thought that the 04L would have been able to provide at least 10psi without much trouble, but did you find them too restrictive exhaust wise?

In regards to the superchargers, all of the ones that have been suggested so far are centrifugal. In my opinion these will have the same lag problem as the turbo, but it isn't as easy to up the boost if you want. I reakon that the cent. s.c. would also be more of a head ****, installation wise, than the turbo.

Also in regards to a ic, you may not need one, but if you're lucky you can get one for around $150.

whoops my bad vip. musta skimed over it and reading the title scing a.... :redface: now sprintex havnt replied my email about a supercharger. arrgh have to ring them later this week

Monga, you say that the TD05 is the best bet for the Astron. You have also run a TD04L(going by your profile here), also you have too ViP, what did you find this like? I would have thought that the 04L would have been able to provide at least 10psi without much trouble, but did you find them too restrictive exhaust wise?

In regards to the superchargers, all of the ones that have been suggested so far are centrifugal. In my opinion these will have the same lag problem as the turbo, but it isn't as easy to up the boost if you want. I reakon that the cent. s.c. would also be more of a head ****, installation wise, than the turbo.

Also in regards to a ic, you may not need one, but if you're lucky you can get one for around $150.


It's to small mate the tdo4 is suited for a 1.8-2litre vehicle when accommodated with intercooler of decent size and a 3inch system the wastegate blows open and the boost is hard to control, so this has to be adjusted.
The tdo5 large 14/16g is much better, most people with 4g63's go for this option from the small tdo4's with there 2litres and 1.8s, being an 2.6litre tdo4 is much to small.
In saying this I doubled the power with the baby tdo4 making no power after 4500rpm, also making no difference in power from 10-15psi ( it maxing it out ) slapping it on a small 2litre car it would fly.


I bought my basic turbo kit with this turbo so I had it from the start, vip is my mate and bought all my turbo kit of me and has purchased a tdo5 with his other mods the car should run alot better and be more effective.

just got a reply back from sprintex. this was asking for a kit for 20 psi or 200 fwkw whichever was hit first.

Thank you for your enquiry for a Sprintex kit for your 2.6 litre Magna.

Unfortunately we have not developed a complete bolt on kit for this
model of vehicle, the only Magna kit we have done is for the 3.5 litre
V6.

If you wanted us to spec a supercharger unit to suit this vehicle so
that you can manufacture the components needed to install it yourself we
are happy to do this. A supercharger unit for this style of vehicle
would cost between AUD$3,500 & AUD$5,000 depending on the output you
required.

Alternatively we could install a system for you as a custom fitment.
This is a drive in drive out scenario and costs start at AUD$15,000

This would involve us developing, manufacturing, installing and tuning a
system suitable for your vehicle and the application for which you use
it.

wow 15k... thats 6 times what i payed for my car... so expensive! but thats all pro'ly done...

thats everything to get it running and having 200kw at the wheels. or 20 psi of boost. i dont know which it would get first. but still thats stupidly fast. you could do it for cheaper if you dont have as much gain in power and boost. if all they change is a gear internally you could start at 5~10 psi and get it going then increase it if you want.

I'd assume that they'd rebuild the engine in the 15k deal. No way would they warranty it without the rebuild. 15k sounds about right to me, considering it'd be all new gear and the rebuild, probably new cams, possibly valve springs etc.

Also 200kW atw is pretty much quadrupling the power output:badgrin:, not to mention the torque would go through the roof, so they may also look at the driveline.

One thing's for sure, it'd be an absolute beast :D, but 15k on a second gen is a lot...

I'd assume that they'd rebuild the engine in the 15k deal. No way would they warranty it without the rebuild. 15k sounds about right to me, considering it'd be all new gear and the rebuild, probably new cams, possibly valve springs etc.

Also 200kW atw is pretty much quadrupling the power output:badgrin:, not to mention the torque would go through the roof, so they may also look at the driveline.

One thing's for sure, it'd be an absolute beast :D, but 15k on a second gen is a lot...

Still wont get much performance out of it in terms of 1/4 mile times... and with that kind of power/torque say bubbye to gearbox...

i am selling my turbo kit or magna whole for $3000 ono, thats including evrything from cam to boost guage, even surge tank and 2 fuel pumps.

i just got a sticker 2day for bald tyres, and i really cant be bothered going over the pits just to turn evrything to stock.