Hi guys i have a TF magna sports and its done 164000kms i need to know whats the best oil to use to keep the car to last a long time. What would you would you guys choice to be the best

Best to do a search mate, been covered a million times.

Personally I use Shell Helix Plus or Penrite HPR10.

If youre lifters are still a little rattly, a bottle of Nulon Worn Engine Treatment usually fixes the noise.

I've always used and recommend genuine mitsu 15w40 oil in my TF, mine has 220k on the clock and it still never uses a drop of oil and never missed a bit, doesn't blow any smoke at all either and nothings been reconditioned. It's served me very well and its cheap enough too. $20 or so.

Best to do a search mate, been covered a million times.

Personally I use Shell Helix Plus or Penrite HPR10.

If youre lifters are still a little rattly, a bottle of Nulon Worn Engine Treatment usually fixes the noise.

Make it a trillion times can we close the thread now? Yes mate use the search. Thought I told the mods to do a sticky the last time. I mean how many times are we going through this again.:doubt:

And no such thing as keep the car long time. If its time to change oil you do it. There is no such oil that you change once and thats it no matter what you use.

Easy champ.. lol.. let's keep faces smiling and not go into the 'close the thread' and 'use the search' thing too harshly again. We all need a little help here and there. And i don't mind new questions coming up actually, cos it often triggers questions I need an answer too as well. :)

Another thought, if some people do a search and post in an old thread, some people call that thread mining.. so i spose ya wrong whichever way ya go lol!

Easy champ.. lol.. let's keep faces smiling and not go into the 'close the thread' and 'use the search' thing too harshly again. We all need a little help here and there. And i don't mind new questions coming up actually, cos it often triggers questions I need an answer too as well. :)

Another thought, if some people do a search and post in an old thread, some people call that thread mining.. so i spose ya wrong whichever way ya go lol!

Noted but I think Mods should have one sticky on this topic like the fuel economy thread.

What about hektic pod and drain pipe PVC CAI mods too.

What about hektic pod and drain pipe PVC CAI mods too.


I'm at the point now, where I reckon Almost everything has been covered before. Oil/fuel/cai/cv/mounts/ etc are old news

The search tool just needs to be a bit better, and ppl need to know about 'advanced search' button also.

OP:
http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=42101&highlight=oil

Others to prove point:
http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=42201&highlight=oil
http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26620&highlight=oil
http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24121&highlight=oil
http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22663&highlight=oil

Redline Fully synth :D

What about hektic pod and drain pipe PVC CAI mods too.
i did a cia mod on mah rallyrt man and after i drive it i wos lik man! it kiks in at about 6rpm and gives me more torq and heaps more power and it revs out highr now to 7rpm but that only if i use shells v power fuel bcuase that gives me even moore power and better feul economy

i did a cia mod on mah rallyrt man and after i drive it i wos lik man! it kiks in at about 6rpm and gives me more torq and heaps more power and it revs out highr now to 7rpm but that only if i use shells v power fuel bcuase that gives me even moore power and better feul economy

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Easy champ.. lol.. let's keep faces smiling and not go into the 'close the thread' and 'use the search' thing too harshly again. We all need a little help here and there. And i don't mind new questions coming up actually, cos it often triggers questions I need an answer too as well. :)

Another thought, if some people do a search and post in an old thread, some people call that thread mining.. so i spose ya wrong whichever way ya go lol!

I agree.
I was a member of a computer forum and people got really into all this use the search function, and this has been covered a million times before etc..........ended up with very little new topics being raised and the site very quickly folded.
The search function is good for finding information but some people just like reading threads and following them, repetitive or not

I agree, no posts/threads need to get deleted/locked unless they are offencive.

OT threads can be split and continued on. We seem to have carried a strict close threads to stop span policy over from when blake had the server on a limited bandwidth host. Now all is fine so there is no real need for moderation other than the obvious. They will come on here and say wah wah wah you know the rules when you joined etc, but they have no valid point to argue with other than that.

Free beer for all!

OP: Penrite HPR10, Shell Helix Plus, Motul something.

On my last service I used Castrol Magnatec 10W-40. No problems with it at all.

i did a cia mod on mah rallyrt man and after i drive it i wos lik man! it kiks in at about 6rpm and gives me more torq and heaps more power and it revs out highr now to 7rpm but that only if i use shells v power fuel bcuase that gives me even moore power and better feul economy

Eeyyee reckon yoo needd a nuuu horrse myy caaawwwboooee! :D

Yes, this issue has been covered many times - and there has been many new ideas after the last one.... If ppl never poked around for new ideas, I guess we would still live in caves. And drive Commodores......:shock:
180 G km. Shell Full Synth Helix Ultra 5 - 40. Change every 5 G or so with filter. No longer than 5 months either. No topping required between changes. Bit dear tho. Used MagnaTec before - never again with that sludgecrap.

Eeyyee reckon yoo needd a nuuu horrse myy caaawwwboooee! :D

Yes, this issue has been covered many times - and there has been many new ideas after the last one.... If ppl never poked around for new ideas, I guess we would still live in caves. And drive Commodores......:shock:
180 G km. Shell Full Synth Helix Ultra 5 - 40. Change every 5 G or so with filter. No longer than 5 months either. No topping required between changes. Bit dear tho. Used MagnaTec before - never again with that sludgecrap.

Note: Shell's website has never recommended Shell Helix Ultra Full Synthetic oil but I have personally asked them and they have said is no problems to use this.

On the note, I have provided a whole list of chart for ALL Magnas and Veradas on type of oil to use for Mobil and Shell. For all third gen Magnas is a rule of thumb to use at least semi synthetic oils. Means for Shell, use at least the Helix Plus grade and above. cost about $24.00 to $47.00 for Helix Ultra. Helix ultra is Synthetic, is not that costly if you want to compare fully synthetic oil brands. Oils like Mobil one cost hardly no less than $65.00 min.

Each company always have their marketing claims. Regardless of how good, expensive oil you use. It is recommended to do a oil change every 5000kms for maintaining good performance. The fully synthetic oils can be pushed till 15000kms as some brands claimed. But please dont be fooled and do check the colour of your oil yourself. If its black its obviously way due. In stituations where is really black I recommended you to buy a Engine oil flush to add to the engine before flushing the old oil out. The Magna manual recommends 15000kms, I personally advise you to self check as the oil is very likely to be very dark.

If you are TRUELY on thight ass budget and cannot afford a semi synthetic grade, I recommend at least you buy a proper branded oil. DO NOT buy those cheap oils for $9.00 as they would not serve you well at all.

As you can see, each member here has their own peference. Brands like Pentrite, Panzol, Shell, Mobil, Castrol, are commonly used. These brands have a website in Australia mostly and you find that they provide a compatibility oil chart and recommendation on what to use for your model. On top of this, they give you the recommended amount of oil to pour into the Engine. If you have doubts, pur and check your oil level dip stick, do not over pour the amount of oil.

You can buy cheap pricing of the engine oil from Big W or Super Cheap Autos. I hoped I have provided more guidelines now rather than just saying hey use this or that. Personally it zooms down on what you like, budget, and habit. I personally would like changing oils at 7500kms for fully Synthetic oils and 5000km for semi-synthetic oils.

Hope this helps.

Very well compiled summary there. Could be used a a "Sticky".

Really - it's rare for anyone to keep a car from 0 km to 900'000 km using same oil and a mate doing the same using another type of oil, both ppl have same driving habits. Only then we could really have proper comparison. Unless the engines are slightly different quality of course - which happens as we know.
Oil companies conduct their tests in manner which favours their products of course. This isn't so easy and black and white after all. But yee, keep away from cheap supermarket prodcuts and listen to your engine. :)

here's a very good, informative page all about oils... doesn't quite answer the OP, but dispels some myths about changing oil and when and why you should.

http://www.nordicgroup.us/oil.htm

cheers,
.wook

I have to disagree in some of the sites points. But overall is good.

Though if you dont change at 5000kms and you decided to go full 15000kms as recommended on the manuals. You will know a lot of difference between a serviced oil changed car vs one that change later. Fuel economy suffers as when you drive, it feels heavy.

Again it all zooms down on

1. Are you mechanically able to do your own oil change? If Yes then 5000-7500kms change will not be costly as you doing it yourself. If not, then do it only when you are seriously feeling the car is 'heavy' and bring it to reliable mechanics to do it for you. ask what kind of oil is used.

2. How you drive and type of road conditions. More heavy duty driving more frequenly you need to service.

It is not that costly to maintain a good serviced engine. IMO spend what you can for it accordingly to your own account.

I take it as even being lazy, your car should at least be serviced once a year regardless of how many kms you did.

cheers!

Guys rememeber my car has done 164000 does anyone on here have the same km's like mine

Mines ~215,000 and I use Penrite HRP10 or Shell Helix Plus.

Oil Changed every 5,000, never missed a beat. And she cops a spanking alot of the time :)

it really does depend on what you're trying to achieve...

if you're concerned about cleaning out the engine, use a fully synthetic, detergent oil (like Mobil 1, Valvoline SynPower, or Shell Helix) for a couple of oil changes in a row to collect all the contaminants slowly, as opposed to a engine flush which will stir up everything at once and may clog flow lines with the sludge that it dislodges.

for a regular oil, a semi-synthetic blend should be fine, and I would recommend Valvoline DuraBlend. it's fairly cheap (compared to synthetics) and there's an oil test online somewhere (I'm trying to find it) in which DuraBlend out performs most synthetic oils and some of the ultra high priced oils. if I find it I'll post a link.

if you're not concerned with cleaning out the engine (i.e. you know it's in pretty good nick), then just go with the semi-synthetic. what weight you use really depends on where you live and what type of driving you do, but a 10w30 or 10w40 should do the trick.

cheers,
.wook

Guys rememeber my car has done 164000 does anyone on here have the same km's like mine

Wookie and I have given nearly all the guide lines. I think its up to you to follow whats appropriate for you and your budget.

I agree that semi synthetic oils is really good enough, so look within this range if you are not intending to spend like crazy.

For Shell, is Shell Helix Plus - cost about $24-$27
For Castrol, is Castrol Magnetic cost within the same range
For Mobil, is Mobil Super Syn S? and yes about the same price

You get the point is mostly about the same price range for all the other brands as well, maybe for exception of one or two other brands.

Personally every member here has their own peference. IMO they use pretty alright stuff. I used Helix Ultra for my car because it is reasonably cheap for a fully synthetic oil. But then again zooms down to your budget, driving habits, road condition etc.

I do an Engine flush when I do not know what type of oil is previously used. From then, I use just one type to stay consistent.

You should have an idea of what to buy by now.

cheers!

Ok thanks for your elp guys but can you tell me if im using 20w50 is that not good to use what is the best 10w30 or what. I want my engine to last a very long time without out the major problems it will have

Ok thanks for your elp guys but can you tell me if im using 20w50 is that not good to use what is the best 10w30 or what. I want my engine to last a very long time without out the major problems it will have

20-50 are usually for older cars. But doesn't mean you can't use it.

10-30 are normally in the semi synthetic range as you would find.

I recommend the semi syn range for any 3rd gen Magna even 2nd gen in most cases.
Hope that helps. For those hard core ones we go Fully Synthetic ranging about 5-40 or even 5-50 like mobile One.

in other words you be using something more like 10-40 range, you wont normally hit 50 with the semi syn range or fully synthetic range as you will see from charts in the store or on the bottle itself saying that is meant for older vehicles prior 1990s mostly.

There shouldn't be any major issues even if you are using 20-50 now except that is just not the so called higher protection for engine as the company claims.

There is absolutely no need to buy stuff like 0-30 as they are meant for specialised engines tuned for it or under specific weather conditions. Just ask the store people, I am sure they would recommend you a semi synthetic grade if you were looking for something better for the 3rd gens Magnas.

cheers!

20-50 are usually for older cars. But doesn't mean you can't use it.

10-30 are normally in the semi synthetic range as you would find.

I recommend the semi syn range for any 3rd gen Magna even 2nd gen in most cases.
Hope that helps. For those hard core ones we go Fully Synthetic ranging about 5-40 or even 5-50 like mobile One.

in other words you be using something more like 10-40 range, you wont normally hit 50 with the semi syn range or fully synthetic range as you will see from charts in the store or on the bottle itself saying that is meant for older vehicles prior 1990s mostly.

There shouldn't be any major issues even if you are using 20-50 now except that is just not the so called higher protection for engine as the company claims.

There is absolutely no need to buy stuff like 0-30 as they are meant for specialised engines tuned for it or under specific weather conditions. Just ask the store people, I am sure they would recommend you a semi synthetic grade if you were looking for something better for the 3rd gens Magnas.

cheers!

If your engine are not consuming any oil then 30wt would be very good for improve FC & power due to lower drag.

Interesting infor on thin oil myth.
http://theoildrop.server101.com/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=711581&an=0&page=0#Post711581

Another good read
http://63.240.161.99/motoroil/

for a regular oil, a semi-synthetic blend should be fine, and I would recommend Valvoline DuraBlend. it's fairly cheap (compared to synthetics) and there's an oil test online somewhere (I'm trying to find it) in which DuraBlend out performs most synthetic oils and some of the ultra high priced oils. if I find it I'll post a link.

cheers,
.wook

The problem with these 'tests' is that they're all fake-ish. That is, they don't compare the exact same oils or if they're talking about recommended by mechanics they will only ask the mechanics that use, say, Valvoline to start with anyway!

Remeber the ad on TV a few months ago about the cars that drove 80,000km on Mobil 1 without oil changes, and they're still going fine? Bogans do this with their cars and they still work! Can we sue if our car breaks down after only 60,000km due to bad oil with mobil 1? they made the claim it would be an interesting court case!

Anyways, at the end of the day that oil is a good one, but whether it is any better than others is questionable. Some say the 'detergent' oils aren't good for seals, so its up to the consumer to decide whether its worth the risk!

so u guys recommed shell or penrite oils..

Guys i need a list of the best oils to used im using castrol at the monent

so u guys recommed shell or penrite oils..

Guys i need a list of the best oils to used im using castrol at the monent
it's not really about which brand to use, it's about what SORT of oil you use. do some research and come to your own conclusions.

there are more than enough links in this thread for anyone to make an informed decision about which motor oil to use for their car and driving habits.

cheers,
.wook

As im a new member why dont u give me some links to it

As im a new member why dont u give me some links to it
you've got to be kidding, right?:nuts:

go through the thread, there's links to "the good oil" on engine oil everywhere.

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Penrite:

http://www.penritedata.com/au/db/vehiclewizard4_s.php?cid=9&make=MITSUBISHI&category=pvehiclespost80&id=552&x=174&y=8

Shell:

http://www.datateck.com.au/lube/shell_au/newsol.asp?Section=1&Make=44&Model=9273

Happy :)

Penrite:

http://www.penritedata.com/au/db/vehiclewizard4_s.php?cid=9&make=MITSUBISHI&category=pvehiclespost80&id=552&x=174&y=8

Shell:

http://www.datateck.com.au/lube/shell_au/newsol.asp?Section=1&Make=44&Model=9273

Happy :)

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I am away guys, my replies will be late.

Hey mate, make some effort in using the search in this forum, or using the Yahoo, google search engine. I think a lot of information has been poured to your needs honestly.
each brand has a website showing you what to use for a Magna. If you are not the one servicing anyway I think you just let the mechanics service it for you.

"If your engine are not consuming any oil then 30wt would be very good for improve FC & power due to lower drag."

Yes I know, but I don't think there is a need to go into all this when the basic is all he needs. It also a fact to take in consideration of the weather conditions.

Cheers!

I use Mobil 1 and change my oil, oil filter and sump plug O-ring every 5,000kms.

i use shell helix ultra (fully synthetic) bit more costly but worth it

oh i like driving in that red area of the tacho which is why I opted for quality oil