hey guys.

i find that my eclipse system is very good and balanced. but i wish there was a bit more bass.

im not sure on what to get or what i should have.

but requirements would be minimal space usage, 1-2 subs, no cutting or modifying, and something where i can just bolt down, wire, and go. (dont have any tools for wood(or pateince).)

i spotted this at repco, and was wondering what you guys thought. its $399 complete package
http://www.repcoshop.com.au/ASP/Catalogue/CatalogueIndex16.asp

it comes with a 300watt monoblock (whats that mean?) fusion amp, and i think it was made in mexico.

any suggestions or ideas will be welcome, thanks.

oh btw, into quality, not quantity.

thanks!

what are you planning on speend on the gear?
also are you after the full system or just bits and peices?
what type of music you listen to?

yes, music you listen to? and budget? if your after quality id disregaurd the repco catalouge and go to a specialty store, if you want just a bit more bass, a single 10" might do you, if ya want a bit of doof some times go a 12" but as i sain you might be able to get away with a 10" bout 200-300w rms and a small mono block or 2 channel bridged to run it

what are you planning on speend on the gear?
also are you after the full system or just bits and peices?
what type of music you listen to?

under $500 i guess.

just the sub/s and amp

i listen to radio, 70s,80s, rock, house, and rnb hip hop

yes, music you listen to? and budget? if your after quality id disregaurd the repco catalouge and go to a specialty store, if you want just a bit more bass, a single 10" might do you, if ya want a bit of doof some times go a 12" but as i sain you might be able to get away with a 10" bout 200-300w rms and a small mono block or 2 channel bridged to run it

fair enough.

im thinking 10" should be enough....

mono block means one channel?

bridging means - combining or joining channel outputs into one?

do abit of a shop around
should be able to pick up a sub in a box and a amp for that price
but install may cost around 100bucks unless you can find a member to do it for you
monoblocks work well with subs but cost a fair bit and they are only one channel
you other option(cheaper) would be to buy a 2ch amp and bridge that, thats converting the 2 channels to create one

Yeah, for what you want, a 10" in a small sealed box and a amp, doesnt have to be monoblock.
Are you confident in fitting it yourself?
If you can't be stuffed, take it to a specialised car audio place and say I have $500 what can you do for a 10" sub in a sealed box, amp, and fitting. Should get something reasonable.
The Response (Jaycar) gear would be good value for money.

Keep the original Eclipse system, it is a great unit and has a Sub Out on it so you can easily hook a sub and control it through the deck.

The pack from Repco is more than enough for what your music choices are, i'd grab it.

Monoblock amp is a dedicated one channel amp made for subwoofers so that is the correct choice for the sub in the Repco pack.

Fusion is good gear.

Very underrated and affordable.

hmmm. really?

thanks for the thoughts....everyone

i was lead to believe that lower end fusion gear is average.

im not paying no one to do it. ill be doing it. its nothing special right?

i actually dont have the standard eclipse head unit anymore. i have a pioneer avx-7300dvd lcd/dvd hu. and a 6 stacker which i just installed yesterday. will that be easy to do? its got the rca outputs. actually, its got a million outputs. its also got this: http://www.pioneer.com.au/products/...Visual/AVMP8000 (http://www.pioneer.com.au/products/car_entertainment/Visual/AVMP8000/index.html)

well seeing as mono block is one channel, what happens if i want to upgrade to 2 subs in the future? i will need another amp?

this one is $399 http://www.fusioncaraudio.com/products.php?region=1&action=view&product_id=281
looks tacky though.

fusion gers, the high end gear is good, jonah lomu's etc.... and they cost an ass load, stuff they sell at repco and super cheap is the low end gear, id put it on par with sony Xplod.... not very good quality, looks pretty silly to haha, 500 dollar budget eh, go look in a few shops like strathfields and jb hifi, they tend to do package deals well with in your price range, and they deal with some good brands now like jl audio, and some mid range alpine gear, off the top of my head id reccomend maybe an alpine type r and for a good cheap amp try jaycar, one of the 2 channels bridged would do nicely, even a pioneer entry level sub (tsw-306c) would be fine for your needs, theyre of decent quality and go hard, great bang for buck i reckon

hmmm. really?

thanks for the thoughts....everyone

i was lead to believe that lower end fusion gear is average.

im not paying no one to do it. ill be doing it. its nothing special right?

i actually dont have the standard eclipse head unit anymore. i have a pioneer avx-7300dvd lcd/dvd hu. and a 6 stacker which i just installed yesterday. will that be easy to do? its got the rca outputs. actually, its got a million outputs. its also got this: http://www.pioneer.com.au/products/...Visual/AVMP8000 (http://www.pioneer.com.au/products/car_entertainment/Visual/AVMP8000/index.html)

well seeing as mono block is one channel, what happens if i want to upgrade to 2 subs in the future? i will need another amp?

this one is $399 http://www.fusioncaraudio.com/products.php?region=1&action=view&product_id=281
looks tacky though.

depends on the mono block you get, ive got 2 subs running off my mono block...... but thats cos its 1400w rms and my subs match it perfect, if you go to 2 subs later on chances are you'd have to upgrade your amp, but think a head when planning this, as in, run over sized power cable so you can upgrade your amp later to something more powerful or even 2-3 amps etc.... dont cheap on the wiring either, goet good quality stuff, and same with rca's, i personally reccomend the stinger wiring kits, they cost a bit but i dont think any one can deny the quality of the gear

hmmm. really?

thanks for the thoughts....everyone

i was lead to believe that lower end fusion gear is average.

im not paying no one to do it. ill be doing it. its nothing special right?

i actually dont have the standard eclipse head unit anymore. i have a pioneer avx-7300dvd lcd/dvd hu. and a 6 stacker which i just installed yesterday. will that be easy to do? its got the rca outputs. actually, its got a million outputs. its also got this: http://www.pioneer.com.au/products/...Visual/AVMP8000 (http://www.pioneer.com.au/products/car_entertainment/Visual/AVMP8000/index.html)

well seeing as mono block is one channel, what happens if i want to upgrade to 2 subs in the future? i will need another amp?

this one is $399 http://www.fusioncaraudio.com/products.php?region=1&action=view&product_id=281
looks tacky though.

for installing your amp its alittle difficuilt if your doing it for the first time
you might be able to find someone who has done it before to give you a hand
you can pick up an amp install kit pretty cheap which will give you everything you need to get it up and running, normally comes with 8ga wiring for the power(good for running onlu one amp)
if you get the monoblock and want to add another sub later on then your going to have to make sure that the amp can run it or if your lucky just buy another one of the same amps and have one amp per sub.
as for the fusion gear you would wanna buy the top end of them, but i havent used them so whos knows what they are like.
oh and dont buy a pioneer monoblock cause people have been having trouble with them

fusion gers, the high end gear is good, jonah lomu's etc.... and they cost an ass load, stuff they sell at repco and super cheap is the low end gear, id put it on par with sony Xplod.... not very good quality, looks pretty silly to haha, 500 dollar budget eh, go look in a few shops like strathfields and jb hifi, they tend to do package deals well with in your price range, and they deal with some good brands now like jl audio, and some mid range alpine gear, off the top of my head id reccomend maybe an alpine type r and for a good cheap amp try jaycar, one of the 2 channels bridged would do nicely, even a pioneer entry level sub (tsw-306c) would be fine for your needs, theyre of decent quality and go hard, great bang for buck i reckon

thanks.

so subs, im looking at JL, mid alpine range, and entry pioneer? i heard bullet pioneers, they were good. bit too much for me i guess.
is jaycar actually decent? i thought they only made silly electronic kits.

for installing your amp its alittle difficuilt if your doing it for the first time
you might be able to find someone who has done it before to give you a hand
you can pick up an amp install kit pretty cheap which will give you everything you need to get it up and running, normally comes with 8ga wiring for the power(good for running onlu one amp)
if you get the monoblock and want to add another sub later on then your going to have to make sure that the amp can run it or if your lucky just buy another one of the same amps and have one amp per sub.
as for the fusion gear you would wanna buy the top end of them, but i havent used them so whos knows what they are like.
oh and dont buy a pioneer monoblock cause people have been having trouble with them

no worries thanks.

whats setup do you guys have?

i should be fine with the install. i used to install car alarms and stuff.

im running 2 12" eclipse dual 4ohm voice coil subs off of an alpine monoblock amp
im looking at upgrading or adding another amp that i already have
i installed some of it myself not to hard once you've done it once
just a pain running the wire through the car

jl make great quality affordable subs, entry level alpine is great stuff to, bit more expensive than the rest but better quality, and probably last you longer (as in you'l want to keep it) and well for pioneer, they seem to take great leaps in their gear, entry level is pretty good for the price, but then the next step up is like competition gear..... well with their subs any way, personally id look at alpine and jl..... more-so jl on your budget..... as for my set up.... as far as subs go 2 kicker solobaric s12L7's (the square ones, 750rms each) running off a kicker kx1200.1 mono block, im in the process of down-grading at the moment cos these are a bit to much for melol

im running 2 eclipse dual 4ohm voice coil subs off of an alpine monoblock amp
im looking at upgrading or adding another amp that i already have

so you can run 2 subs off a mono block amp?

eclipse expensive, ey?

i always have this metality. its more of a curse.

to always spend that extra bit. i always think better in the long run. something you will keep and use. why not? fork out extra. do it! why not?

DAMN

i have to draw the line.

so you can run 2 subs off a mono block amp?

eclipse expensive, ey?

i always have this metality. its more of a curse.

to always spend that extra bit. i always think better in the long run. something you will keep and use. why not? fork out extra. do it! why not?

DAMN

i have to draw the line.

you can run 2 subs off a monoblock but you need a decent monoblock to do so
and yes eclipse are expensive(just alittle bit more than alpine) but they make decent gear
the subs were retailing at about $500/$600 each, got one when i purchased my system and added another one not to long ago as i got a good price on it, cost my $270
i love my two subs and am looking at getting a new monoblock to run them at full power
i would spend abit extra to get something better, you'll be better off in the long run

heres a few links to subs that may suit you

jl 12w3v2---- http://mobile.jlaudio.com/products_subs.php?series_id=12

alpine type s------ http://www.alpine.com.au/#

pioneer 306c----- http://www.pioneer.com.au/products/car_entertainment/index.html

these are just a few options out there, you'l have to go out and have a listen to see what you like, take your own music and go audition a few, and also ask them wht they can do in terms of an amp to power the sub, like a package deal or whatever, and trust me, when on a budget go to jb hifi, they got some good stuff and the guys there are alwayse looking for the sale even if it means knocking off a few dollars, so use that to your advantage :D

thanks guys.
learnt a lot.

im going to look at JL sub/s. and a jaycar amp. not sure on the amp though. (jaycar isn't crap right?) just a name....

jaycar make good stuff for the price, log onto car audio australia, and you'l see just how many people are using them, on that note head on over the the caa forums and check out the for sale section, could grab your self a bargain!!

Jaycar stuff is great bang for your buck. I can vouch for it as well as a lot of other people on this forum. It will be plenty good enough for what you want. The 2x150W (AA0424 - $249.95) bridged gives 500W and is a great amp. I run a 12" DVC sub and it doesnt even sweat. Even consider their 10" (CS2278 - $179.95) or 12" (CS2279 - $219) Carbon Fibre DVC subs. I have the 12" and it is great. Not as good as a $600 sub of co****, but much better than any of its competition I have heard in the same price range.

And forget going to 2 subs in the future. All that does is make your panels rattle loose and wake everyone up in a 3 block radius. Spend the money on a decent 10" and you will be more than happy.

Installation is easy if you've done alarms before.

Get a 4 guage amp/sub kit, not 8 guage. 8 may be ok but 4 is better and less voltage drop between the battery and the amp.

Cheers
Pete

HAHAHA I just noticed its filtered c.o.a.r.s.e stupid filter :P

Jaycar stuff is great bang for your buck. I can vouch for it as well as a lot of other people on this forum. It will be plenty good enough for what you want. The 2x150W (AA0424 - $249.95) bridged gives 500W and is a great amp. I run a 12" DVC sub and it doesnt even sweat. Even consider their 10" (CS2278 - $179.95) or 12" (CS2279 - $219) Carbon Fibre DVC subs. I have the 12" and it is great. Not as good as a $600 sub of co****, but much better than any of its competition I have heard in the same price range.

And forget going to 2 subs in the future. All that does is make your panels rattle loose and wake everyone up in a 3 block radius. Spend the money on a decent 10" and you will be more than happy.

Installation is easy if you've done alarms before.

Get a 4 guage amp/sub kit, not 8 guage. 8 may be ok but 4 is better and less voltage drop between the battery and the amp.

Cheers
Pete


thanks

one sub it is.

bridging a 2x150w amp. wouldnt it be 300watts not 500watts.

is that carbon fibre dvc series from jaycar? as i said i am after quality.

ill have a look at jaycar amps.

none for sale on car audio aus forums. but heaps of other gear.

pioneer subs aplenty. hu's, and alpine amps.

probably all stolen. :D

most of the brands mentioned are not the best in terms of outright quality, is the budget definetly limited to $500.

Some brands to have a listen to
SUBS
Image Dynamics - The IDQ series may be in your price range and a great sub
Treo
Diamond Audio
Phoenix Gold
etc

AMPS
Alpine, Eclipse, Soundstream, Audison
etc

Pioneer, Jaycar, Alpine, etc are decent, and good bang for buck, but there are always 'better' out there. (And i would definetly not call Jaycar gear 'quality'.) If I were you I'd look to go for around 300-500 w RMS on the amp can be a mono block or a two channel which you bridge. (can then be upgraded onto the front stage in the future) with a single 12" sub. Then factor in a bit of money to sound deaden the boot you should have a big smile on your face after that.

Peace

Tim

HAHAHA I just noticed its filtered c.o.a.r.s.e stupid filter :P

whats wrong with co*ars*e?

i think a r s e might be the prob in that... (mods apologies for bypassing swear filter :))

most of the brands mentioned are not the best in terms of outright quality, is the budget definetly limited to $500.

Some brands to have a listen to
SUBS
Image Dynamics - The IDQ series may be in your price range and a great sub
Treo
Diamond Audio
Phoenix Gold
etc

AMPS
Alpine, Eclipse, Soundstream, Audison
etc

Pioneer, Jaycar, Alpine, etc are decent, and good bang for buck, but there are always 'better' out there. (And i would definetly not call Jaycar gear 'quality'.) If I were you I'd look to go for around 300-500 w RMS on the amp can be a mono block or a two channel which you bridge. (can then be upgraded onto the front stage in the future) with a single 12" sub. Then factor in a bit of money to sound deaden the boot you should have a big smile on your face after that.

Peace

Tim

thats ideally what id like to do, as with most things. spend a bit more to be sure...

but ill have to draw the line as the eclipse system is great, and the original goal was a bit of bass.

now, sound deadening. is that a whole new game?

i think a r s e might be the prob in that... (mods apologies for bypassing swear filter :))

hehe haha

First focus on your gear, then sound deadening after that, but it will make your system shine. Instead of hearing a rattly tin can you'll hear your speakers and only your speakers.

Considering you wont have that much power going into them ~400 w RMS, you shouldnt need a lot, just enough to get rid of major rattles. Your ears will love you for it though.

First things first (assuming you're happy with the stock ralliart system) is to find a sub that you like the sound of.

Once you have that find some power for it. Remember that the biggest determinant of the sound reproduction in your car will always be the speakers so go for the best sub you can. (Not necesarily the sub with the best power handling)
Ideally I'd be looking for a sub that plays good in a small sealed box, and that plays very low with no breakup. Listen to a good sub in a proper car audio store (not JB or strathfield) just to see the difference.

And listen with one of your own CDs for reference.

In terms of amps, power is power but make sure you buy a reasonable amp, not BOSS, avalanche etc and you may want to aim a tad higher than Jaycar even.
Factor in money for wiring,
4-5 metres of shielded RCAs = $30
4 gauge through to boot and enough for ground(keep it short and sand it back in the boot for good contact) = $40
fuseholder within 18" of battery = $20
Try and do the boot install your self to save money. A decent sealed box (made from MDF not chipboard) will set you back $120 easy. Or make it yourself for <$50. wood/glue/screws

Peace

Tim

bridging a 2x150w amp. wouldn't it be 300watts not 500watts.


Nope! This particular amp gives 500W bridged! :)



is that carbon fibre dvc series from jaycar? as i said i am after quality.


Yeah the carbon fibre ones. Like I've already said, the subs aren't the best out there, but on a budget, they are great.

still hunting for that setup for my car.

came across this;
http://www.eclipse-web.com/amp/ea2212.html

he wants $200.

is that ok? 2nd hand

or;

"Alpine M350 V-Power mono block amp.

Perfect little monoblock amp for a single large or two small subs. Makes 350wrms at 2ohm and 200wrms at 4ohm. No manuals or accessories, but have box.

$125"

i would go the alpine M350
good little amp with a good output of power
ive currently got one of these and waiting for another to arrive soon
plus that eclipse i dont think you can bridge, but monoblock are better than 2ch amps for subs anyway
so the alpine is what i would go for
you can download the manual for it off the alpine website if that helps

i would go the alpine M350
good little amp with a good output of power
ive currently got one of these and waiting for another to arrive soon
plus that eclipse i dont think you can bridge, but monoblock are better than 2ch amps for subs anyway
so the alpine is what i would go for
you can download the manual for it off the alpine website if that helps


thanks for that. it might be easier to get this one now all together:

Kicker Xi125 2Ch Amp (2x125rms) http://ampguts.realmofexcursion.com/Kicker_1252xi/

he is in sydney so no postage crap.

he wants $150. not in good exterior condition.
and also 2 MTX Thunder6000 10" Subs at $80 each.

as a package he said he will let it go for $270 should be able to do cheaper though.
should be able to do ~$100 for amp and ~$60 for each sub.

I'd definitely look at the JL12w3v2.. My brother had 2 of them in his little MR2 and they went HARD! He now has one in his.. and my cousin has one in his little MR2 and they HAMMER! For the price you pay.. You can't go wrong!

Also I do have a JL 15w0 for sale.. Oh and 2 x 12" Audiopipe's in a Bandpass Box and heaps of other Audiopipe gear..

SuFz :rant:

If you want quality & not quantity, go a sealed box. Much tighter bass response than a ported box, will never go as loud, but for quality, quite hard to get a ported box to match sometimes.

If you want quality & not quantity, go a sealed box. Much tighter bass response than a ported box, will never go as loud, but for quality, quite hard to get a ported box to match sometimes.

excellent thanks