In fear of repetition :shock: - even though I didn't see anything about this on the AMC.
I recently read on a major motoring mag that Mitsu is launching a Super Charged 380 in 2007. Figures: 230 kW and 440 Nm. Not very grunty IMO tho. Wonder if one can increase the boost....

You didn't look very hard :P.
http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=42805
http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41766

You didn't look very hard :P.
http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=42805
http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41766

Just proves how much blinder I get the older I get - now, where's that Submit button again.....

Not very grunty IMO tho. Wonder if one can increase the boost....

For a reliable and ADR compliant 230kW and 440Nm on a stock internal (and 10:1 CR at that), non-intercooled 3.8 is pretty impressive if you ask me. I'm sure you could squeeze more out of it, but as a mild (as in stock internals) streeter package that pretty good. :P

For a reliable and ADR compliant 230kW and 440Nm on a stock internal (and 10:1 CR at that), non-intercooled 3.8 is pretty impressive if you ask me. I'm sure you could squeeze more out of it, but as a mild (as in stock internals) streeter package that pretty good. :P

Mmmh, yee, you're correct there. But I was just maybe expecting more. But then again....
I think we better leave this issue to not to repeat same stuff again. :)
But I did read the pdf. Ahhhh, very nice. Want one!

Ahhhh, very nice. Want one!
Nah you don't - here's why.

Would you pay $50,000 for it? Or would you buy a VE SS or XR8 or XR6T with leather for the same price......

What about if you paid another 9G and got an Evo...........

Nah you don't - here's why.

Would you pay $50,000 for it? Or would you buy a VE SS or XR8 or XR6T with leather for the same price......

What about if you paid another 9G and got an Evo...........


all good points, but is it confirmed that the price will be 50k for the 380 S/C!!

if it is 50k then it would not be worth it, and especially if it only pulls 230ish kw's!!!

i would rather buy an XR6T or even an astra turbo as i think they look teh sex and can easily up the boost with minor modifications and could almost guarentee they would both smoke the 380 S/C!! but only time will tell, its just the FWD thing that puts me off!!

FWD is a gay platform for anything other than a taxi magnas.

FWD is a gay platform for anything other than a taxi magnas.

interesting coming from someone who raced a charade :confused: lol

interesting coming from someone who raced a charade :confused: lol

Can anybody say game over? lol

$50k is a bit steep, i dont think they would be that stupid to price it at $50k. Especially since since the ES is only $30k

FWD is a gay platform for anything other than a taxi magnas.

:bowrofl: :bowrofl:

Yeah, give me Evo X any time! Or 9 will do in the meanwhile.
Heh, well, my Bro asked me long ago, why didn't I buy a "real" sports car instead modding a famliy car.
Here's some reasons:
Purchase cost
Maintenance cost
Insurances
Fear of theft
Space and comfort (yeah, mine is soo quiet and soft...) on long holiday drives.
Hmmm - perhaps the idea that modding a Magna wasn't too common 4 yrs ago - unlike now.

No V-8 for me thanks, regardless of grunt and cost.

Nah you don't - here's why.

Would you pay $50,000 for it? Or would you buy a VE SS or XR8 or XR6T with leather for the same price......

What about if you paid another 9G and got an Evo...........
With all due respect, he said he "wanted" one... as do I. Would I spend the same money on a VE SS/XR Falcon etc? No, coz I think the TMR 380 would be a better car for me personally. I wouldn't get the SS simply coz the interior is farcically drab with visibly crap plastics - disappointing actually. 380 VRX kills it inside. Maybe wait for the Orion Falcons XR variants...

We don't even know if the TMR 380 will go into production for sure, let alone whether it would have leather trim etc.

It is a definate for production. The final power figures will be adjusted a bit I believe (little more power and torque) You gotta remember this isn't a mass produce type of car. It's a car made for a niche in the market. It's not going to be aimed at the SS or the XR6TurdBoat, but it will be a fair bit faster than the latter. I think it will do well.

Ease up guys, I was only saying its useless for racing, it is fine for what you guys use it for.

Its 0-100 is something like 6 flat so it's on par if not faster than an xr6t. And really with it's rally bread sports kit I think it could probly out do an xr6t around a track too.

Its 0-100 is something like 6 flat so it's on par if not faster than an xr6t. And really with it's rally bread sports kit I think it could probly out do an xr6t around a track too.

I doubt it, FWD and big torque does not mix. That and the xr6, or the new generation falcons or that matter, are quite capable!

i think it would be a very nice car, but then again i dont think im a drifter, as for handeling i think it could be rather ok for a large car i know my car is faily good, not everyone wants a ford or holden becuase they are RWD.

I agree with what turbo_charade said. If it was on an AWD platform I'd be keen.

It would be awesome with an AWD platform.

I doubt it, FWD and big torque does not mix. That and the xr6, or the new generation falcons or that matter, are quite capable!
I think you'll find the TMR 380 will be quite fast around a track. Look at the Ralliart Colt. FWD but it has an awesome suspension setup with Koni dampers etc and Ralliart tuned suspension. TMR 380 will have the same setup and it will be a bit quicker in a straight line than the XR6TurdBoat too. There's no doubt the TMR 380 will be quicker around a track. AWD doesn't always mean better handling.

I think you'll find the TMR 380 will be quite fast around a track. Look at the Ralliart Colt. FWD but it has an awesome suspension setup with Koni dampers etc and Ralliart tuned suspension. TMR 380 will have the same setup and it will be a bit quicker in a straight line than the XR6TurdBoat too. There's no doubt the TMR 380 will be quicker around a track. AWD doesn't always mean better handling.

It will be quick, but not quicker.

AWD doesn't always mean better handling no, but FWD does always mean poor corner exits.

Well I beg to differ. We'll see in next years MOTOR or Wheels mag when the TMR 380 puts the XR6TurdBoat to shame around a track and in a straight line. :cool:

Well I beg to differ. We'll see in next years MOTOR or Wheels mag when the TMR 380 puts the XR6TurdBoat to shame around a track and in a straight line. :cool:
That's if they don't do a biast review :roll:.
I wouldn't mind taking a TMR 380 out for a test drive that's for sure. Could seriously consider it for my next car if it handles the power well (and doesn't torque steer like a mofo).

We'll see in next years MOTOR or Wheels mag when the TMR 380 puts the XR6TurdBoat to shame around a track and in a straight line. :cool:

Heh, I was about to say the same thing. There will definitley be a "Big 4 Combo" test next year. And out of all similar tests, this might be one of the most interesting one (re Aussie cars that is). I wonder if Toyota is going to re-think their Auriols now.... :)

Well I beg to differ. We'll see in next years MOTOR or Wheels mag when the TMR 380 puts the XR6TurdBoat to shame around a track and in a straight line. :cool:

I'd be very surprised if the TMR 380 is quicker around a track then an XR6 Turbo (although I'd gladly be shown otherwise). No matter how good the handling is, it will never be able to power out of a corner as quick as the XR6 (witch in itself if a very competent handler).

Interesting side note: From about April of their release date the BF's were/are apparently fitted with the Typhoon block, same tune as previous XR6, but stronger internals and upgraded valve springs. So they can make a crap load more power on stock internals reliably, add to that the standard upgraded brakes (over BA) and it starts to look like a very tempting package.

It will be quick, but not quicker.

AWD doesn't always mean better handling no, but FWD does always mean poor corner exits.

In my experience, awd cars can give u grief when pulling into a corner, but pulling out makes up for it +more imo.

Having just recently switched to a fwd rally cross car, I would say in anything less then dry tarmac surface a fwd can pull out of a corner at full throttle give you a bit of understeer that can be easily corrected where in the same situation a rear wheel will get massive over steer and spin off.

I raced at a non-classed autocross last weekend in my fwd twin cam corolla. The track was tarmac/dirt and was raining at the time. I was competing against holden v8s and bmw's etc. I came outright first by like 35 seconds because I could take the corners much faster in the wet, especially in the dirt sections.

I would love to prove this to you one day, and I will.

Bigs: I have raced a dozzen different cars and finnished very competitivly in FWD 30kw 75 model civics, and near the tail end in series 5 race prepped RX7's. All you proved is that your rolla is probably ligher, and your a better driver than most of the others.

My charade was fast for a fwd, and set up for track sprints, but a much less powerful T18 rolla used to lap a second faster than it quite easily. I like FWD racing, and you can have just as much fun in a FWD if your trying to be competitive, but there is no way in hell its a better platform for racing then AWD or RWD. It was designed to be cheap to manufacture, not a revolutionary new race track layout.

Ok. We're not talking about race cars here. We're talking about glorified family sedans, which is what the TMR 380 and XR6TurdBoat are.

Meanwhile, I went and had a sit in a brand new EVO 9 the other day, and those seats... WOW. It will be fantastic if those seats make it to the TMR 380 because they're the best car seats I've sat in next to the ones in my Ralliart.

Disciple do you have aftermarket seats? Because Evo IX Recaros are WAY better then the ralliart magna seats.

Disciple do you have aftermarket seats? Because Evo IX Recaros are WAY better then the ralliart magna seats.
No I don't. And yeah I know, that's what I was saying. :D The Recaros in the EVO 9 are the best seats I've ever sat in, in a car. Then my Ralliart seats are second is what it should've read. But yeah, the Recaros are a world ahead. :cool:

Ahaha makes more sense now.

Bigs: I have raced a dozzen different cars and finnished very competitivly in FWD 30kw 75 model civics, and near the tail end in series 5 race prepped RX7's. All you proved is that your rolla is probably ligher, and your a better driver than most of the others.

My charade was fast for a fwd, and set up for track sprints, but a much less powerful T18 rolla used to lap a second faster than it quite easily. I like FWD racing, and you can have just as much fun in a FWD if your trying to be competitive, but there is no way in hell its a better platform for racing then AWD or RWD. It was designed to be cheap to manufacture, not a revolutionary new race track layout.
I'd agree that the RWD is better on a track, but I'd disagree with you in regards to dirt racing. In my experience a FWD is quicker on the dirt than a RWD as it will pull the car out of the corner in the required direction. But at the end of the day that's just my personal opinion, although AWD ****s over both haha:P.

I would be very surprised and dissapointed if the TMR380 was beaten by the XR6T round the track as the Fords are pretty damn heavy and really aren't running the most track refined suspension. I think that TMR have realised that they can have a much more sports orientated setup, hence the Koni adjustable dampeners which will really give the TMR the edge through the corners ;).

I dunno bout you guys but I have already put dibs on one with my dealer here in town...

My reasons being, Next year Ill be looking at starting a family, the current car isnt really set up for running around with rug rats... So I will be looking for a "Family Car"... The positives that I can see, Super charged (Something I have always wanted to do to mine), Leather Interior (Great for kids, n I love the look of leather), DVD/Sat Nav Entertainment System (Another positive for kids)... Reversing senors (Great for the wife)..And the car looks damn nice... Providing the information that was on the flyer that was distributed was all correct, I will have no probs at all in throwing over 50G. (Wont go any higher thou)...

I wont even look at the clit cars (XR6T/Commodore)...

Cant wait to see it in me driveway :D

I'd agree that the RWD is better on a track, but I'd disagree with you in regards to dirt racing. In my experience a FWD is quicker on the dirt than a RWD as it will pull the car out of the corner in the required direction. But at the end of the day that's just my personal opinion, although AWD ****s over both haha:P.

I would be very surprised and dissapointed if the TMR380 was beaten by the XR6T round the track as the Fords are pretty damn heavy and really aren't running the most track refined suspension. I think that TMR have realised that they can have a much more sports orientated setup, hence the Koni adjustable dampeners which will really give the TMR the edge through the corners ;).

I agree, I think an FWD would be quicker on dirt. I don't like FWD (in a sports car) simply because of understeer and when you lose control of a FWD car it's a lot scarier than in a RWD, at least you can sort of steer it. I just don't understand why some sports cars come with FWD it's nonsensical. You look at all the top sports cars and they all have AWD or RWD.

And yes the XR6T will lose to a TMR380 IMHO. I think the 380 will be faster ina straight line anyway and it sounds like it will have superior handling brakes, so I think it will post some pretty quick times. I just hope Mitsu price it right. If they stick it at 55K it will be competing with the Evo and who in their right minds would choose a 380 over an Evo..

people who want performance as well as space which the evo only offers performance, as people said there not making it a full production run and only offering a limit amount its not really competing against anything

to put it at its most simplest. RWD is generally better on tarmac, FWD is generally better on dirt. However there are always exceptions to this rule and a car isn't better then another just because its RWD or FWD, soooooooooooo many other factors come into it and anyone who thinks that the final drive layout of a car defines its ultimate handling abilities is quite ignorant.

I think it is a bit premature making comparisons about what the TMR will do until it is released. Also keep in mind the XR6T can be easily modified for major performance gains whereas the TMR is really at the peak of what can be developed as a FWD platform.

I dunno were all the mags are getting their information from, but this car hasnt even gone past the concept stage. There isnt even any talk on numbers of production, or even making two versions (lower price n higher price).... I have been talking to Ralliart (cos no one knows anything), they were the ones that have told me its not past the concept stage. They admit there is shtloads of interest, but the all other info is just hindsight

I dunno were all the mags are getting their information from, but this car hasnt even gone past the concept stage. There isnt even any talk on numbers of production, or even making two versions (lower price n higher price).... I have been talking to Ralliart (cos no one knows anything), they were the ones that have told me its not past the concept stage. They admit there is shtloads of interest, but the all other info is just hindsight
I think you mean "speculation" not "hindsight". Anyway, it was in one of the mags a few months ago and they don't usually write stuff like that without some form of confirmation. Who knows tho.

people who want performance as well as space which the evo only offers performance, as people said there not making it a full production run and only offering a limit amount its not really competing against anything

Good point, but if they are only producing the TMR in small quantities, what is the reasoning by it. They're hardly going to be making much money if they only produce 200 cars and if you take into consideration the R & D?production costs, marketing etc will they even make a profit?

I dunno were all the mags are getting their information from, but this car hasnt even gone past the concept stage. There isnt even any talk on numbers of production, or even making two versions (lower price n higher price).... I have been talking to Ralliart (cos no one knows anything), they were the ones that have told me its not past the concept stage. They admit there is shtloads of interest, but the all other info is just hindsight

You spoke to Ralliart and they told you it is not past concept stage? Why have there been numerous articles re TMr 380 being released mid/late 07? Also why on earth would Ralliart release any info to members of the public?

You spoke to Ralliart and they told you it is not past concept stage? Why have there been numerous articles re TMr 380 being released mid/late 07? Also why on earth would Ralliart release any info to members of the public?

Yep have been talking to ralliart for the past two months on n off, they have told me that the car is not past the concept stage and there has been no talk what so ever of numbers for production etc etc. They release the information to get interest, they get enuf interest they go ahead an produce. To read whatever is printed in magazine's is all speculation (thks disciple). Articles would have been written with "concept" figures of engine outputs etc etc, but its just like anything new, everyone has to have a peice of it, then turn it into chinese whispers

Good point, but if they are only producing the TMR in small quantities, what is the reasoning by it. They're hardly going to be making much money if they only produce 200 cars and if you take into consideration the R & D?production costs, marketing etc will they even make a profit?

do you think it's the evo that covers its associated costs, r&d etc or the lancer and it's sport image.

Hope this tmr380 helps the 380's character myself