Good Day supercharged folks !

Just out of curiosity, how many of you have actually beaten a Gen III 5.7L V8 with your superchared Magna/Verada ?

Reason I'm asking is that a mate of mine recently bought a SII VX SS Manual and that thing is not too bad - 100km/h in 2nd Gear.

dont think so a charged magna will able able to take out a 5.7L v8 dude.

think bout it 150-180KW/ATW for a charged magna against say mid 200's atw for the 5.7L V8. i think we all know who will get beaten

but like others also say it all depands on the driver to

My car does 140km/h in 2nd gear, why does it matter?
Its how fast it gets there that counts :).
I would say a manual sprintexed magna should be able to keep up if not beat the SS. Would be close.

My car does 140km/h in 2nd gear, why does it matter?
Its how fast it gets there that counts :).
I would say a manual sprintexed magna should be able to keep up if not beat the SS. Would be close.
Agreed. The SS might have more power but the Magna is a lot lighter and weight kills performance. I'd say my car with only breathing mods would be a good match for it.

I raced my old BOSS in her old car which was a VX SS if i wherent for another car in my lane i would have got her, but now since she has upgraded to a VX clubsport i dare not challenge her to a race LOL

Good Day supercharged folks !

Just out of curiosity, how many of you have actually beaten a Gen III 5.7L V8 with your superchared Magna/Verada ?

Reason I'm asking is that a mate of mine recently bought a SII VX SS Manual and that thing is not too bad - 100km/h in 2nd Gear.


Well, I've had one "spirited" driving experience with a new VE SS at the lights about 3 weeks ago. He was good....but not good enough:badgrin: Had a car length on him by 100km/h.

What's actually faster is the new MPS 3 Mazda. Those things are ballistic!

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Well, I've had one "spirited" driving experience with a new VE SS at the lights about 3 weeks ago. He was good....but not good enough:badgrin: Had a car length on him by 100km/h.

What's actually faster is the new MPS 3 Mazda. Those things are ballistic!

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you can say that agian and again and again lol

my manager had a black one and all his done is lowered it well actually dropped it on its gutts lol zorst and minor engine work and OMFG does that thing go mmmmmmmmm :drool:

vx ss manual would be doing high 13s 1/4 mile. manual 3.5litres magnas with mods do extremelly low 14s .. supercharge a manual 3.5 litre it'd be in the mid 13s i reckon.. anyhow 1 second on the drag strip isnt much on the street.

3.5 litre manual magna will have alot of fun with a manual vx ss believe ME :badgrin:

dont think so a charged magna will able able to take out a 5.7L v8 dude.

think bout it 150-180KW/ATW for a charged magna against say mid 200's atw for the 5.7L V8. i think we all know who will get beaten

but like others also say it all depands on the driver to

A S/C'ed 3.5 Magna... does 180kw atw? are you sure? ( i did a quick search and didnt find much lol)

A S/C'ed 3.5 Magna... does 180kw atw? are you sure? ( i did a quick search and didnt find much lol)

lol thats a rough guesstimate lol didnt wanna make em feel bad lol

dont think so a charged magna will able able to take out a 5.7L v8 dude.

think bout it 150-180KW/ATW for a charged magna against say mid 200's atw for the 5.7L V8. i think we all know who will get beaten

but like others also say it all depands on the driver to

That all depends on the series as well. A former boss has a VX R8 (255kW spec) that only generated 188kW ATW on the same dyno (and same day) that my car as-stock clocked 123kW.

With my old RPW Stage 1 cams (165kW ATW) I was half a second faster down the quarter than VT Series 2 SS automatics.

But they're also pretty easy to tune up.. another ex-colleague did a MAF-less remap on his VY SV8 and upped it to 220kW ATW, which when combined with the shorter diff from the HSV GTS equalled 12.4s passes.

Well, I've had one "spirited" driving experience with a new VE SS at the lights about 3 weeks ago. He was good....but not good enough:badgrin: Had a car length on him by 100km/h.


My brother has a VT Calais 5ltr, he bought the 308 for the "Real" V8 exhaust note. He has taken my car for a drive and refuses to line up against it.


What's actually faster is the new MPS 3 Mazda. Those things are ballistic!

It's embarrassing isn't it.

I ran a 13.85 at Willowbank on the same night as my mate with a modded automatic VT R8 could only manage a 14.01.

Haven't had a chance to properly line it up against a manual LS2 powered car - but I dare say I wouldn't have a chance in my current trim.

Biggest problem is traction - it's a very fine line between bogging it down and spinning thru 1st and 2nd and getting a good launch with minimal wheel spin.

I ran a 13.85 at Willowbank on the same night as my mate with a modded automatic VT R8 could only manage a 14.01.

Haven't had a chance to properly line it up against a manual LS2 powered car - but I dare say I wouldn't have a chance in my current trim.

Biggest problem is traction - it's a very fine line between bogging it down and spinning thru 1st and 2nd and getting a good launch with minimal wheel spin.
what were your terminal speeds?

what were your terminal speeds?

On the 13.85 it was 105.9mph. From memory the R8 was running between 100 - 103 mph.

Comparing a:

VXII SS Commodore 6sp Manual [the car as per the original post]

Power 225 kW
Torque 460 Nm
Weight to Power Ratio 7.12 : 1 (kg/kW)
Kerb Weight 1602 kg

With a:

Series II Magna VRX 5sp Manual (with Sprintex S/C)

Power 225 kW
Torque 422 Nm
Weight to Power Ratio 6.64 : 1 (kg/kW)
Kerb Weight 1493 kg

I couldn't see there being much in it.:think: It doesn't help that those GEN IIIs are known to be a bit lathargic at low rpm so the VRX could get away quite early.

They are VERY lethargic below 3000 rpm. I drive a 2002 Monaro quite often with the 225kW motor and it feels very slow and sluggish below 3000 rpm. I think the Magna would get away quickly and the gap wouldn't be pegged by the Commo.

Its a slighly different comparo but a mate of mine has a VX Gen 3 Berlina wagon which i know is heavier because of the wagon and the luxury stuff.
We were comming back from Eildon one day and i was in the wifes KJ AWD and we were going each other from lights and also through round abouts and the KJ was just so slighly quicker than his wagon. Not by much but upto 100 odd ish k's, the KJ was about a bonnet in front. You think he was happy about that. He keeps calling our cars granny cars but i just laugh at him saying it beats his yobbo gen 3 which also has cold air intake mods etc..

As for the old 308's, unless they are heavily modified, can whip them easy. Its always a laugh lining up next to a p plater in a VS SS and he thinks he will cane you. The look on their face when you finally let them catch up is a classic.

Agreed. The SS might have more power but the Magna is a lot lighter and weight kills performance. I'd say my car with only breathing mods would be a good match for it.

i reckon you'd be rpetty close. the speed at which you pull away from the camry is very similar to an ss...

i reckon you'd be rpetty close. the speed at which you pull away from the camry is very similar to an ss...
Camry goes alright for what it is. :shock:

Biggest problem is traction - it's a very fine line between bogging it down and spinning thru 1st and 2nd and getting a good launch with minimal wheel spin.

To get away quickly I just get the car rolling slightly in first then very quickly change to 2nd and let the torque do it's work. If I do it right there is no wheelspin but it takes a bit of practice to perfect it. It may be slightly trickier with a turbo setup but this technique works well for me. Basically, first gear is almost redundant.

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I think I'll let my slush box take care of the wheel spin for me!!! :badgrin:

that's until it dies and I do a manual transplant.

Camry goes alright for what it is. :shock:

all 110kw@tw... :bowrofl:

all 110kw@tw... :bowrofl:
Mine's like 150kw@tw but probably heavier than the camry with all my amps and sub etc in there. :doubt:

VXSS WITH 225kws would not be quicker than a S/C magna, a VY with 235kws 0-100 is like .5 to 1 car lenght and thats with the magna taking off a little slower with no launch.

To get away quickly I just get the car rolling slightly in first then very quickly change to 2nd and let the torque do it's work. If I do it right there is no wheelspin but it takes a bit of practice to perfect it. It may be slightly trickier with a turbo setup but this technique works well for me. Basically, first gear is almost redundant.

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Havent tried that - but I don't think it would be the best option for my car. Firstly I don't make good power until 3000 rpm, so shifting to 2nd early isn't an idea I'm fond of, and secondly - my car smokes 235's in 2nd gear without breaking a sweat.

The best thing I've found works for me is to release the clutch at about 2000rpm, gently squeeze on the throttle until I get to about 5000rpm, backing off if I brake traction (this gets me to abit over half throttle), then in second I use a similar approach - but shifting at about 6000 and I can usually get to nearly full throttle without braking traction. Once I'm in 3rd gear - full throttle all the way baby :cool: .

my car smokes 235's in 2nd gear without breaking a sweat.

The best thing I've found works for me is to release the clutch at about 2000rpm, gently squeeze on the throttle until I get to about 5000rpm, backing off if I brake traction (this gets me to abit over half throttle), then in second I use a similar approach - but shifting at about 6000 and I can usually get to nearly full throttle without braking traction. Once I'm in 3rd gear - full throttle all the way baby :cool: .

lol i concur, i had one run against mike at the drag's; both didn't do the best.

I got nearly a car length or so after 1st then snapped 2nd and started gaining on him (I was actually watching your car once i was in 2nd mike). Then he got traction and absolutely flew by, it made me giggle...

him 14.4@165km/hr me 15.6@144km/hr

haha your 60ft was better than mine too mike (2.267 v 2.428); i just got ya in reaction. Yeah i know **** driver; no; my clutch was ****ed. Light-ass 2nd gen

i shi*ted myself when I took on a VX V8 Ute, lowered rims n kit thinkin just another ute, Got of the line quickly, about 1.5 car lengths ahead doin about 70km and all of a sudden ssssssssssssvrooommm blitzed pass me, sounded so sweet, supercharged i think. The magnas do alrite, i dunno how much difference the 163kw sports version makes atw compared to the normal magna, but with it I get a good cars length doin 120km from non turbo R34 skylines, supras and silvias, with tiptronic, wouldn't dare to tempt the turbo versions. but stock vs stock, Magna power would beat the standard GenIII's.

What's actually faster is the new MPS 3 Mazda. Those things are ballistic!

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190KW @ 5500rpm
380NM @ 3000rpm, Starts to haul from about 2000rpm.:shock:
Wheels quote "It's wickedly fast" :badgrin:

out of curiosity wats a car length to 1 half car lengths in a 0_100km time.?

out of curiosity wats a car length to 1 half car lengths in a 0_100km time.?

100km/h = 27.7m/s.. a car is 5m long? So 1 car length is ~ 0.18 seconds.

for those who have supercharged there magna, what kind of power out put is there? is it really worth supercharging it? will the engines and g/boxes be able to handel the power???

Good Day supercharged folks !

Just out of curiosity, how many of you have actually beaten a Gen III 5.7L V8 with your superchared Magna/Verada ?

Reason I'm asking is that a mate of mine recently bought a SII VX SS Manual and that thing is not too bad - 100km/h in 2nd Gear.

Well I am yet to see any SC'd Magna's pulling mid to high 13's yet.

For comparison - my stock XR6T has posted a 14.01 and the SS is faster than my car.

for those who have supercharged there magna, what kind of power out put is there? is it really worth supercharging it? will the engines and g/boxes be able to handel the power???
the best (only??) numbers seen are the Tiptronic VR-X that VRX-II owns... 257kw and 440+Nm, with 206kw at the wheels. not bad compared with stock 163kw and 320Nm, however VRX-II had some other mods (extractors, dual exhaust, port n polish, etc...).

the claimed output from Sprintex is 225kw and 420Nm for a stock standard Magna (155kw and 320Nm). any mods will obviously affect those numbers.

worth doing? that's a personal opinion, and I personally think yes, $7k for 70+kw and 100+Nm is worth it (especially with the 20000/12 month warranty).

the boost is low enough that the engine *should* be able to handle it fine (only about 7psi peak boost). the gear box, well, again it should be able to... just ask Black Beard and Ego about putting a lot of power through the standard (and not so standard) drive train.

cheers,
.wook

Well I am yet to see any SC'd Magna's pulling mid to high 13's yet.

For comparison - my stock XR6T has posted a 14.01 and the SS is faster than my car.
that's the current SS, right? not the LS1 350ci Gen III motor. that motor, unmodified only put out about 250kw and 470Nm and did about 14 down the quarter. at 1650kg, I think it would be a fairly competitive drag with a 230kw/440Nm fwd Magna at < 1500kg.

cheers,
.wook

Well, we don't have a dragway in Canberra so quarter mile times are a bit hard to come by. I met up with Jase a few weeks back and we did a comparison standing start with his car and mine. His car has done 14 seconds down the quarter so we reckon mine would have been around 13.5 or a bit less based on the gap between them. That was with him driving my car, so it would have been even faster if I was drivinglol

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Supercharged AWD easily beats standard LS1 to 70km/hr dry or wet by car length and a half.

In the wet, LS1 or LS2 will not get near a supercharged AWD, and I reckon the FWD would be able to get the power down better in the wet than a Commodore.

Two lane roudabouts are entertaining to say the least.

Then they get annoyed, and drive like spacks to save face - usually involves them blasting out to 140kmhr plus and all over the road. Often with a P plate.

that's the current SS, right? not the LS1 350ci Gen III motor.
cheers,
.wook
Not the new shape commondore. The previous model SS..

This was done at Heathcote drags on a Ford vs Holden day. According to the guy, unopened, not modified.

Well, we don't have a dragway in Canberra so quarter mile times are a bit hard to come by. I met up with Jase a few weeks back and we did a comparison standing start with his car and mine. His car has done 14 seconds down the quarter so we reckon mine would have been around 13.5 or a bit less based on the gap between them. That was with him driving my car, so it would have been even faster if I was drivinglol

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.5 second is about 10 or so car lengths at the end of the 1/4.. Were you really that far ahead? If so, impressive!

Now go to Sydney and get it down the 1/4 mile..

Not the new shape commondore. The previous model SS..

This was done at Heathcote drags on a Ford vs Holden day. According to the guy, unopened, not modified.
yeah, the VZ SS (post March '06) had the L76 Gen IV 6.0L that put out 260kw/510Nm (it's not the LS2 that they put in the HSVs). the VY (and maybe early VZs??) got the Gen III 5.7L donk.

cheers,
.wook

yeah, the VZ SS (post March '06) had the L76 Gen IV 6.0L that put out 260kw/510Nm (it's not the LS2 that they put in the HSVs). the VY (and maybe early VZs??) got the Gen III 5.7L donk.

cheers,
.wook

ahh ok.

Well im obviously on the wrong playing field.

Carry on .. ignore me.. lol

.5 second is about 10 or so car lengths at the end of the 1/4.. Were you really that far ahead? If so, impressive!

Now go to Sydney and get it down the 1/4 mile..

I think .5 seconds would be about 5 car lengths (25m) at 180km/h, but my maths could be wrong (nah, not possible).

So, where's the nearest dragstrip? Heathcote?


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I think .5 seconds would be about 5 car lengths (25m) at 180km/h, but my maths could be wrong (nah, not possible).

So, where's the nearest dragstrip? Heathcote?


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I would have thought WSID at Eastern Creek would have been the closest dragstrip to Canberra.