Alrighty im looking to put a sound system into my TS, at the moment its the original stereo so gonna be a complete overhaul, i dont know much about car audio stuff but i do know i want something that sounds good not doof doof, i listen to heavy metal and sometimes Alt so yeah whats peoples ideas? brands? ect. my price range is prob 1000-1500, with a head unit.
Any help would be GREAT!
Cheers, Mikey

so thats 1000-1500 for the full system installed? or are you going to install it yourself to save abit of money?
do you want a sub to?

man I listen to Heavy metal too and I have to say for an entry level system look at getting pioneers, I've got stuff from the TS-A range of speakers and have found them good cheapish speakers (both 6's and 6x9's). I'd also recommend a sub cause it does add alot of depth to the drum and bass parts, and I like that in my metal lol

Haha yeah love them double kickers and insane bass riffs, install is gonna be 50/50 cause i have a mate whos dad used to be in buis so he knows some stuff but yeah about 50/50 install

i listen to a lot of metal and stuff like that as well, i've got alpine stuff )mostly) and its greatn, its type s though. But its still good stuff

If you have a CAM stockist nearby, run in & grab an Eclpise SW4200 12" for $95. Quite good for a tight deep sound (make sure you get a decent enclosure) & cant go wrong for only $95, or hell if you wanna... grab 2!

Stick with a Pioneer head unit for the sake of tunability vs price. The Deh-p4850MP is going for around the $230 mark at strathfield & autobarn at the moment & would suit quite nicely. Mp3 compatible & comes with remote.

Get a set of alpine type E splits (6/6.5") or something similar for the front. 35wrms, so perfect to be run off a HU and cant go past them for around the $180 mark. They do make quite a bit of noise, so dont be fooled by the power output. The SQ is also very good for the type E range.

Umm, 6x9's.. grab something from the pioneer TS-A range (something like TS-A6961E 40wrms, going for $80 at strath) if you plan to be running directly from the HU, or maybe consider something like the pioneer TS-A6981S (80w) or MTX TDX6903's (100w) if you wanna power off an amp. They can usually be picked up for around the $200 mark.

Can't really help too much with amps, but try to steer clear of the cheaper brands. Allow for about $5-600 for a pair to run speakers & sub(s), or $350-500 for a single to run sub(s).


Thats a fairly small budget system right there, but will still make plenty of noise & great sound for metal... covers from the highs - cymbals from drums & lead guitar shrills, to mid-low double bass punch.

Thanks for the help, went into JB today and talked to a guy about dooing a system, was gonna be 700 for (trys to remember) pioneer 6" 3 ways up front, some pioneer 4 way 6x9's and a JVC head unit (the cheapest one with usb port) all installed, goin from there thats what300-800 to get sub and amps, and maybe an extra 50 if i wanted splits instead of the 6inch's

Opinions? is pioneer really that great???

Thanks for the help, went into JB today and talked to a guy about dooing a system, was gonna be 700 for (trys to remember) pioneer 6" 3 ways up front, some pioneer 4 way 6x9's and a JVC head unit (the cheapest one with usb port) all installed, goin from there thats what300-800 to get sub and amps, and maybe an extra 50 if i wanted splits instead of the 6inch's

Opinions? is pioneer really that great???

i wouldn't let jb install your audio gear for starters
you should get your self a deck, splits and 6 1/2" coaxials for the rear
you only buy 6x9s if your not going to get a sub

is pioneer really that great???

:naughty: nono..

Pioneer is 'good value for money'.

After fiddling around with a few JVC Hu's i wasnt really too phased by the features... nothing special unless you go the top end units (which = more $). Imo, the pioneers are better on the low end of the scale. Only thing you wont get is the USB port.

Going 6x9's will help fill in more mid bass through metal songs, at the sacrifice for clearer high pitch.. which some splits in the front would help with anyway.
Forget the 3ways for the front, you'll definately want splits for that type of music man.

And true, Mr_Roberto. Dont let JB near your car lol.

ESPECIALY jb ringwood :rant:

get focal v2 splits (500$) there 75rws,get a decent amp 2channel(300$) get a jvc head uint(250-300) cabling (100$) 1200, do that for now, then save up for a sub/amp or 6 by9's combo cause these speakers are worth the money and you wouldn't be dissappointed

but my advice is, do things right the first time, or you could waste money in the future( i didn't do it right and have lost about $1500 due to my ill knowleagde in the car audio when i went out and got the first round of sound system gear)

Hmm, yeah i wasnt so sure about the 3 ways up front, i wanted splits either way, ive been told 6x9's are useless if u have a sub pretty much so would some good coaxils be good for in the back or perhaps some more splits? as for the jb install yeah im not sure if jb in belconnen even do there own installs, i think they contract someone else but not 100% sure, oh and $500 splits :| if i was gonna take that route they'd be one of the last things i get cause of the single price, so id get everything else then them... more ideas please :D oh and i'm liking the look of some candence speakers, good or bad?

First things first..

What sort of metal are you into because everyones idea of metal is different and metal such as The Bled and Metalicca are totally different (first is good, second is crap).

I agree with doing it right the first time - totally, otherwise you may as well just go buy a $2K dong and ram it right up your.. Well not really as dramatic as that, but you'll feel like you just got punched in the nut when it sounds like balls.

The system I have is splendid. I listen to anything from, (oh dear!) The Funkoars to The Dillinger Escape Plan (which is both shredding and very bassy - and wildly confusing!).

What you'll want is a mix of sq and spl - everyone who likes metal likes their music loud, but what's the point of loud if it sounds like absolute trash?

WHAT YOU NEED BROTHER! - Test as many SPLITS as you can, I picked up some MB Quarts DSE216 6.5" splits for a song (last set and on sale) but splits kick just about any equally priced coax's butts. THESE WILL MAKE ALL THE DIFFERENCE. If you can't hear douchebag deadman splitting your ears as well as the pedestrian walking beside your car whats the point!

From what i've heard those yellow pioneer "pro's" i think they're called - They hold their own in the bass, thats for sure! Type S Alipines are also worth the dollar.. Just remember to bring your own cd to demo (if your brave) also, those car demo walls are ****house and the speakers will ALL sound different in your car, no matter what! A good head unit, if you want to add an amp and get serious later, get something with a serious RCA out voltage (2v is ****, get at least 4v or 5v) This means the quality of the signal getting to your amp is a lot better! As others have said, don't bother with 6x9's if your getting a sub, either that or get some 6x9's that have great tweeters, mine do, thats why i have kept them instead of going to 6/6.5 coax's.

My first system was a Pioneer Dsomething4560 or something ($300), 2.2v rca out to a BOSS amp ($200 new, 100wrmsx4) I hooked the 6x9's ($400) to the HU amp and the splits ($500) off the 1 and 2 channels and bridged the 3&4 to move my JL10W3DV2 ($300) and I not only got compliments on my splits sounding better than Hertz splits (THAT COST TWICE AS MUCH!) but i also got 129dB at a meet once, vs 2x12" subs and crap.. So do the math dude.. thats a $1700 system that beat others where i wouldn't dare add the price!

I installed it myself with a mate, nothing flash. So spending up on some good splits is definantly worth it, HU just as much so, you might not even need rear speakers for a while and a middle of the range 4chan amp that can have 2 chans bridged and a nice sub is all you need brother. Oh and don't listen to anyone that says a 10" is better for this music or that music because the bigger the sub, the more air that is moved = better bass..

Thank you and goodnight! Someone do a word count on this post - my biggest ever!

wow nice right up, cheers, yeah i like my heavy metal, some death and folk (fintroll, opeth, wasp, and others) but i like hard rock aswell (tool) seeing them in a couple of weeks :D

Yeah dude, another note to remember is all rock has strong mids. You can't hear your power chords without a strong mid section workin in your stereo so remember that too (which is why 6.5 splits are good - because of the bigger driver).

I think there is a gap between splits that can produce good thick mid tones but still have great tweeters. Like i said before, those pioneer pro's - the mid and bass was awesome but you couldn't hear anything high, whereas my MB's, have no-so-great bass but a fat mid section and the tweeters are almost too good and could cut my head off..

Dude, go to a ausy mag meet and listen to some stereos guys have in their cars, out of all the people i have talked to and seen, it seems aussy magna has the smartest members and are very knowledgable in many faucets, including car stereo so you'll no doubt meet up with someone who can let you know some important info and let you hear their idea of a good car system. I know i'd love to be able to buy some of the gear some dudes on here run, and i'd definantly like to have their knowledge!

So like i said, go try **** out, a stereo is as customised and personalised as your car in any other aspect if not more so you can check out other peoples ideas but find what suits you!

What sort of metal are you into because everyones idea of metal is different and metal such as The Bled and Metalicca are totally different (first is good, second is crap). Firstly... The Bled = Hardcore/metalcore, Metallica = Heavy metal/Thrash (if you go back a little). I dont think that is really relevant mate.. at all.


I agree with doing it right the first time - totally, otherwise you may as well just go buy a $2K dong and ram it right up your.. Well not really as dramatic as that, but you'll feel like you just got punched in the nut when it sounds like balls.

Fortunately, some aspects of a car audio system are easier to upgrade/replace than others later down the track. HU & coax's = easy. Sub/enclosures = not very feasible. So i'd make sure things like that are done propperly.


From what i've heard those yellow pioneer "pro's" i think they're called - They hold their own in the bass, thats for sure! Type S Alipines are also worth the dollar..
Those speakers are all higher wattage and will require an extra amp to run off, which again takes a good chunk from the budget. The reason i mentioned the lower range Type-E's was because of their low wattage. They will run beautifully off a HU & do make quite a bit of sound. You wont be disappointed with these for the price!!


As others have said, don't bother with 6x9's if your getting a sub, either that or get some 6x9's that have great tweeters, mine do, thats why i have kept them instead of going to 6/6.5 coax's.
Once again i mentioned the MTX range before because of the pivoting tweeter feature, allowing for a bit more high pitch than other 6x9's on the market. At 100wrms, grab a 2ch amp for them. They make great mid bass for their price mate! definately up there with some of the more expensive coax's i've heard!


...middle of the range 4chan amp that can have 2 chans bridged and a nice sub is all you need brother. Oh and don't listen to anyone that says a 10" is better for this music or that music because the bigger the sub, the more air that is moved = better bass..

Why wouldnt you go a mono?

See now i believe that 90% of the car audio buffs on here will strongly disagree with that comment about subs. Moving more air does not = 'better' bass, but 'louder' bass also.

Stick with a sealed 12" for metal mate. Especially if you listen to some of the heavier stuff (no ghey hardcore emo **** lol... j/k for all you emo kids out there). Ie, Killswitch, fear factory, threat signal, mnemic, meshuggah, soilwork etc... You also have to realise that most new music these days have much more bass eq'ed in when produced (post recording) than the music of 10+ years ago.

A 15" will most likely be too slow for most metal & 10" not quite loud enough with the deeper notes (unless you're willing to spend an arm and a leg on a good 10). Stick with 1 or 2, 12"s mate for a decent enough balance. Something around the 250-300wrms (per sub) is fiiine! (despite what people will tell you).

Remember guys, we're building a system to listen to metal... not a full on SQ system.

Firstly... The Bled = Hardcore/metalcore, Metallica = Heavy metal/Thrash (if you go back a little). I dont think that is really relevant mate.. at all.

Firstly, I will say - KSE and The Bled are both in drop C tuning which means that although they are different, the same levels are produced.. That was my point, who cares what genre it's in, the stereo doesn't know your taste in music, its all about the tuning of the system for playability of those sooooouuuuuuuunds!



Fortunately, some aspects of a car audio system are easier to upgrade/replace than others later down the track. HU & coax's = easy. Sub/enclosures = not very feasible. So i'd make sure things like that are done propperly.

I don't know about you dude but I'd definantly want to change a sub and box before i go tearing down my centre console and rewiring a loom for a HU and then learning how to use it again. Buying and installing a HU once and only once will always be easier than buying a good sub and having an inadequate HU with **** signal to make the most of it..


Those speakers are all higher wattage and will require an extra amp to run off, which again takes a good chunk from the budget. The reason i mentioned the lower range Type-E's was because of their low wattage. They will run beautifully off a HU & do make quite a bit of sound. You wont be disappointed with these for the price!!

As i mentioned, i ran my 150wrms splits off a 100wrms **** amp and my 160wrms 6x9's off a 4x50wrms mosfet amp and i got 129dB's and also mentions of how good it sounded. i could've used heaps more power but the system wasn't limited. if you go limiting your system you'll have to start from the ground up again to make any small advances!


Once again i mentioned the MTX range before because of the pivoting tweeter feature, allowing for a bit more high pitch than other 6x9's on the market. At 100wrms, grab a 2ch amp for them. They make great mid bass for their price mate! definately up there with some of the more expensive coax's i've heard!

I don't see the point in 2chan amps, really, when for almost the same price you can get a 4chan to run your fronts and rears or fronts and sub - eh!


Why wouldnt you go a mono?

He doesn't have the cash, thats why!


See now i believe that 90% of the car audio buffs on here will strongly disagree with that comment about subs. Moving more air does not = 'better' bass, but 'louder' bass also.

I MEANT, bigger drivers = more air moved = more bass, not quality.


Stick with a sealed 12" for metal mate. Especially if you listen to some of the heavier stuff (no ghey hardcore emo **** lol... j/k for all you emo kids out there). Ie, Killswitch, fear factory, threat signal, mnemic, meshuggah, soilwork etc... You also have to realise that most new music these days have much more bass eq'ed in when produced (post recording) than the music of 10+ years ago.

Just a quick "blow me" on this one, if your music doesn't have any meaning or "emo"tional point, its just pointless techno **** then isn't it? put your hands up for detriot! :shock: Sorry, i tend to like music with a big of charge, some call it emotion, i call it motivation.


A 15" will most likely be too slow for most metal & 10" not quite loud enough with the deeper notes (unless you're willing to spend an arm and a leg on a good 10). Stick with 1 or 2, 12"s mate for a decent enough balance. Something around the 250-300wrms (per sub) is fiiine! (despite what people will tell you).

Remember guys, we're building a system to listen to metal... not a full on SQ system.

My point on his metal idea is like a tattoo really.. A dude i saw today had a metalicca tatt on his forearm, now in 12 months or 12 years when he no longer likes his tatt, he's gonna be stuffed, so when this dude no longer only listens to metal but listens to rock or folk, it'll sound like ****, he's better off getting a capable system then something thats built for one thing. It's easier to tune it to different music styles then go buy another stereo for it.

endof.

I listen to metal.

My system.

Pioneer head unit
Pioneer 6x9
Pioneer 12''
Stock fronts.

Sounds great for metal. run 6x9's and sub from amps

Firstly, I will say - KSE and The Bled are both in drop C tuning which means that although they are different, the same levels are produced.. That was my point, who cares what genre it's in, the stereo doesn't know your taste in music, its all about the tuning of the system for playability of those sooooouuuuuuuunds!
I honestly don't think instrumental tuning has diddly squat to do with what we're talking about... its more in the equalization.



I don't know about you dude but I'd definantly want to change a sub and box before i go tearing down my centre console and rewiring a loom for a HU and then learning how to use it again. Buying and installing a HU once and only once will always be easier than buying a good sub and having an inadequate HU with **** signal to make the most of it..
This ones more up to whata persons comfort level/ability in installing is... some prefer wiring, some prefer woodworking. Personally i see buying a driver and optimally designing the enclosure as one of the hardest parts in the system.. not to mention building the damn thing lol.


As i mentioned, i ran my 150wrms splits off a 100wrms **** amp and my 160wrms 6x9's off a 4x50wrms mosfet amp and i got 129dB's and also mentions of how good it sounded. i could've used heaps more power but the system wasn't limited. if you go limiting your system you'll have to start from the ground up again to make any small advances!
129dB's again is kinda moving away from the point here. I can achieve 129dB's from 4" splits.. but i will have nowhere near the same SQ & midbass as a set of 6 or 6.5"s.

The only reason i said the alpines is because of his budget... the sound he's looking for can be easily achieved with these, without spending an arm and a leg. I dont think he's (sorry for speaking in 3rd person about you Lucid) a real big SPL freak here either.

& I dont know about you but it'd be nice if everything fell within my budget for once and i had some spending cash leftover lol.


I don't see the point in 2chan amps, really, when for almost the same price you can get a 4chan to run your fronts and rears or fronts and sub - eh!
Once again, back to budget... getting a 2ch will be cheaper than a 4ch, so you can probably move up to something with higher SQ, still keeping within the budget. (thats if a pair of speakers are going to be run off the HU)


He doesn't have the cash, thats why!
Thats a fair enough and valid point mate!


I MEANT, bigger drivers = more air moved = more bass, not quality.
Thats fine, but you missed my major point with that one. Bigger is not always better, unless we're talking about high SPL.


Just a quick "blow me" on this one, if your music doesn't have any meaning or "emo"tional point, its just pointless techno **** then isn't it? put your hands up for detriot! :shock: Sorry, i tend to like music with a big of charge, some call it emotion, i call it motivation.
It was a joke mate!! omg. lol

I could add 1000+ emo comments here... but i'll hold back for the sake of keeping this thread open for Lucid. hehe


You're still misinterpreting the definition; generally the so called 'emo' song is written with punk/hardcore punk/hardcore/metalcore genres in mind; hence why the 90% of recording artists can be ruled out. Though people still decide that "emo" means "emotional," which is a load of ****, as 90% of bands make music to illicit emotion or melancholy feelings, which would make "emotional" a completely different genre; encompassing styles such as classical, country, R&B, blues, rap and even some electronica.
We've had this discussion before... get over it.


My point on his metal idea is like a tattoo really.. A dude i saw today had a metalicca tatt on his forearm, now in 12 months or 12 years when he no longer likes his tatt, he's gonna be stuffed, so when this dude no longer only listens to metal but listens to rock or folk, it'll sound like ****, he's better off getting a capable system then something thats built for one thing. It's easier to tune it to different music styles then go buy another stereo for it.
In most cases you cant just 'tune' an entire setup to a style of music... chances are, unless you spend 2.5K+, you wont be able optimally play 'every' genre of music out there anyway.

I really do understand your concern on this (and its probably the way i'd do it with my own stereo too)... but i really dont think thats up to us. He wanted a metal system... thats what we'll explain.

Also... who the hell would listen to folk after metal? hehe

I'm not gonna sit here and argue mate.. you raise some very good points and tips :) .. but alot of them are also irrelevant.


(I bet all the CA freaks are sittin back having a laugh at us now, heheheh)

alright first of all thanks for the help, 2nd of all CALM DOWN lol, oh and yeah sorry to all emo fans but i really dislike emo, especialy those who dont just listen to the music, they dress all emo and **** *sigh* but thanks for info all, oh are the rockford splits and 2 ways good that are forsale on the forsale part?

alright first of all thanks for the help, 2nd of all CALM DOWN lol, oh and yeah sorry to all emo fans but i really dislike emo, especialy those who dont just listen to the music, they dress all emo and **** *sigh* but thanks for info all, oh are the rockford splits and 2 ways good that are forsale on the forsale part?

I am calm MAAAANNNN!! :swearing:

:bowrofl: :bowrofl:

Umm yeh had a very quick glance at those rockfords... the specs seem quite good. :D
I'd say go for it! (if you're considering).

I would consider them in 2 weeks, i hate work, well more the fact i dont get paid thousands a week lol

I would consider them in 2 weeks, i hate work, well more the fact i dont get paid thousands a week lol

Ahh tell be bout it... i'm still on 1st year wages... wahhhhh :sook:
lol

IMO If you listen to alot of rock, i'd probably suggest 2x10" subs. Mugh tighter bass and less 'doof' factor, so you'll be able to get the double kicks in there without sounding like a constant booming of bass, this will also be apparent in what mid drivers you choose. You want something with a bit of control, it's worth putting more into these than your 6x9's at the back.
What i'd reccomend is getting a favourite CD of yours, take it to a car audio specialist and ask them to play it for you. If you're in vic check out stylin car audio & gary's car radio. Phat Audio concepts is a great place, but they havn't got their showroom built quite yet, so you might not be able to listen to as much stuff - worth heading there in a couple fo weeks though ;)

IMO If you listen to alot of rock, i'd probably suggest 2x10" subs. Mugh tighter bass and less 'doof' factor, so you'll be able to get the double kicks in there without sounding like a constant booming of bass, this will also be apparent in what mid drivers you choose. You want something with a bit of control, it's worth putting more into these than your 6x9's at the back.
What i'd reccomend is getting a favourite CD of yours, take it to a car audio specialist and ask them to play it for you. If you're in vic check out stylin car audio & gary's car radio. Phat Audio concepts is a great place, but they havn't got their showroom built quite yet, so you might not be able to listen to as much stuff - worth heading there in a couple fo weeks though ;)

Sealed 12" ;)

Hey Mikey it's Tim well a couple of people gave some great advice about not get the stuff installed at JB but if you looking at a spending $1000-$1500 on a systems i think you could probably get it for $1300 with a free install have you see scott or colin @ Elite in belco or scott @ BDL belco or drive to phillip to pat at super audio installations you know i highly recommend these stores and promise me you wouldn't never see darrell at braddon car stereo.

Hey tim hows you going man, happy new year, yeah i know, wouldnt go for jb, was thinking elite but would have to go see em and thats effort lol, any tips on brands cause i know ur my man when it comes to this stuff, give us a call if u wana catch up at some point. Cheers

Hey tim hows you going man, happy new year, yeah i know, wouldnt go for jb, was thinking elite but would have to go see em and thats effort lol, any tips on brands cause i know ur my man when it comes to this stuff, give us a call if u wana catch up at some point. Cheers
it really up to you and your budget but i recommend JVC or crappy old schneider just becuase the saving you can get and yeah it will take effort so see what info elite staff can give you & i will give you a call one day

dude...
i have a TS and i have 2 10" 800w($135 each 12 mnths ago) pioneer subs, some amp..., panasonic HU ($400) pioneer 6" splits

and it goes hard... i will throw a couple of photo's up tonight...about $1000 all up... i did the install :) woo