Ok, heres the question. I know that u can get more power from such things as Chips, Exhaust (however little), Extractors, Turbo/Superchargers, Weight Reduction, etc. But what is there out there for magnas that usually doesnt get modified, but improves power output? Im stuck at work atm, meant to be workin on a comp but it hasnt arrived, so basically im bored and am curious. ^_^ Plz dont gimme the "Search the forums" flame, i had a search, but im chasing something really different, like "think outside the square" different.

Hoping for some gnarly ideas!

I don't know that there's much that you can do to make a car more powerful that hasn't already been done on these forums.

I guess the least common route would be to up the compression and change pistons, cams, valves, etc... (is it just me or is EVERYONE supercharged these days?) :nuts: :bowrofl:

it all comes down to getting a bigger bang in the cylinder, which can only be done by increasing the amount of fuel/air in the cylinder (turbo, supercharger), by increasing the compression (changing cams/pistons), or by changing the fuel/air mixture (ECU re-mapping).

when you think about it, there's not really much else you can do.

cheers,
.wook

there is a thread going round at the moment started by black beard regarding changing the diff centre to the shorter drive ratio out of the 380. this is something which could potentially give a standard magna some extra balls off the line.

Putting an intercooler on an N/A? no one does that :P. On a 45 degree day it might help lol.
Twin throttle bodies hasn't really been done either AFAIK.
What else....:think:
RWD conversion? lol not many have done it.

Twin throttle bodies hasn't really been done either AFAIK.


cthulu has them and booya had them..

To the OP: Whatever you plan to do to get power out of your magna is not going to be cheap.

cthulu has them and booya had them..

To the OP: Whatever you plan to do to get power out of your magna is not going to be cheap.
Ahhh really? Do you know of any gains they got?

ralliart cams!

So has anyone thrown a v8 in a magna before? or can it even be done?

So has anyone thrown a v8 in a magna before? or can it even be done?
Yes been done, AFAIK there's been 2 racing tourers with v8 conversions and than there is Macbeths car, though one can debate whether that is even a magna :P.

So, would putting a InterCooler with out Turbo or anything, actually do anything.????

So, would putting a InterCooler with out Turbo or anything, actually do anything.????
make you lose power. why? because you will be slowing down the air speed. you want as short a distance as possible between the air filter and the intake as possible.

something else that you could do is do what i am planning on doing. fitting a larger butterfly to the throttle body. i am going to get a larger butterfly and then machine out the stock throttle body to get it to fit.

hmmm, well if dollars arnt a problem......

1. Throttle body for each cylinder
2. Individual NOS for each cylinder
3. 454 modded for FWD
4. H2O via electrolysis for Hydrogen/Oxygen Injection
5. Twin Engine AWD (One for FWD, One for RWD)

first two i would think are possible but not sure about the other three:doubt:

hmmm, well if dollars arnt a problem......

1. Throttle body for each cylinder
2. Individual NOS for each cylinder
3. 454 modded for FWD
4. H2O via electrolysis for Hydrogen/Oxygen Injection
5. Twin Engine AWD (One for FWD, One for RWD)

first two i would think are possible but not sure about the other three:doubt:
some of the early caddy's came out with something stupid like a 7L front wheel drive. my mate who is a mechanic said they are a ***** to work on.

some of the early caddy's came out with something stupid like a 7L front wheel drive. my mate who is a mechanic said they are a ***** to work on.


yeah my grandfather was a mechanic, the old man has told me about some bloody big 10.2L 4 cyl, the pistons were like 6-7 inchs across :P

no damn room in todays engine bays for **** like that, not to mention fual economy and EPA crap

5. Twin Engine AWD (One for FWD, One for RWD)

lol funny thing is ive actually seen a car with 2 engines. one for fwd, one for rwd. it ran bout 800hp, or something crazy like that. ill find the vid and link it for ya's. also, wat kind output did macbeths beast have? im jst too curious for my own good ^_^

EDIT: Video is of an AUDI TT MTM, running 2 x 1.8L Turbocharged Engines, Creating a whopping 840bhp.

RE-EDIT:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2551708929633267275 - speed test
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3919218079260976455 - both engines firing!

Try making the engine the 'ultimate' response machine.. lightweight & balanced bottom end, more cam duration, itb's, lightweight clutch & flywheel, bit of ecu tuning, etc..

forget about big HP... something like this would be fun.. imagine the launches & accelleration. :D

If magna engine bays permitted (highly doubt it... no room) twincharging would be fun.. mucking around with different setups.


Otherwise..... just get some metal HG's & knock yourself out with large doses of laughing gas mate.

Carbon fibre hood and/or boot?
there bloody heavy panels...weight reduction ftw

get ur pistons bored with forged pistons

get ur pistons bored with forged pistons

:bowrofl: :bowrofl: I want my pistons bored! :D:

& while ya gettin that done.. get direct nitrous injection.. into your differential.. it'll help it spool faster. :D

:bowrofl: :bowrofl: I want my pistons bored! :D:

& while ya gettin that done.. get direct nitrous injection.. into your differential.. it'll help it spool faster. :D
Lol oops i meant ur pistons cylinders!!!!

I've seen an old school Porsche with all carbon fibre panels. Opening the door felt like pushing a bit of cardboard. This thing didn't have the massive power of stay some of the modified V8s, but it more then often won the day. Power to weight is more relevant than just power alone. So yeah, mebbe try gutting your car and get on a weigh bridge and see the before and after results.

Lol oops i meant ur pistons cylinders!!!!

hehe all good mate... we all know what ya mean anyway... its just customary to take the p!ss

All been done really except the combos... single turbo with custom turbo cams.. or worked N/A with nos.

why not 2 v8 engines? :bowrofl:

http://www.homestead.com/hotnutsclub/files/A_Real_Twin_Mill.jpg

wow... that looks like a crazy matchbox car irl. id love to see the dyno sheet of that though, i think the graph would burst off the paper. has anyone on the forum actually done aerodynamic work on a magna? like flat sheeting under the car, or body work that doesnt jst make it look good?

Hmmm, as said before replacing panels with cf would do a fair bit but replacing glass with Lexan(Polycarbonate) would do even more :D. Also would considerably lower your CG ;).

Liquid LPG injection would give you a ****load more torque all through the range but mostly bottom/mid-range. This is due to the phase change from liquid to gas absorbs huge amounts of energy from the air, thus cooling it down. If you don't believe me, get a can of something that is normally a gas but is pressurised in a can (ie CO2), and spray it on your hand. See how cold it gets ;).

If you don't believe me, get a can of something that is normally a gas but is pressurised in a can (ie CO2), and spray it on your hand. See how cold it gets ;).

I believe its called a frostie when u do that... and it hurts like a mf. lol Also, i didnt mean replacing panels with cf, jst gettin remolds and giving them a go in a wind tunnel. I know its a long shot, as 99.9% of the words population dont have access to a professional wind tunnel, but im jst tooooooooo curious :cool:

Oh, and has anyone gutted a magna for track before? I wonder how much weight you would lose after all that interior is gone. i know that people in veradas would lose heaps, but how much of a performance increase would one get? Even a little would help, because like they say, 13.9 sounds better than 14.1 on the quart.

like "think outside the square" different.


If you carve all the pulleys out of wood, this should reduce the centrifugal mass the engine has to spin.

Jokes aside, all petrol engines work on the same principles. So to increase power of any engine you have to increase it's volumetric efficiency (how easily can the engine fill then empty it's cylinders). So any modification that does this will potentially increase power. This is the ONLY way, there are no short cuts. :D

So, would putting a InterCooler with out Turbo or anything, actually do anything.????

no, intercoolers work to cool hot pressurised air back to ambient temperature, as stated therefore lose power as all you are doing is making your intake about 3 metres longer

The 3rd gens actually have very good aerodynamics for a mass production sedan. They do get a little bit of seperation over the rear window, but a set of the EVO vortex generators would lower this :P (yes they do work, see here (http://www.mitsubishi-motors.com/corporate/about_us/technology/review/e/pdf/2004/16E_03.pdf)). Also having a flat underbody would help minimise drag and probably help lower the amount of lift.

I'm pretty certain that there isn't a wind tunnel in Aus that can accomodate a car without getting side boundary effects. And you also want a rolling road otherwise all the airflow under the car is wrong and there definately insn't one of those in Oz.

If you want I have access to pictures I can post up of a 3rd gen being tuft tested, basically short pieces of string/yarn stuck all over the car then driven along to see where seperation occurs.

:bowrofl: paint it red an get a massive spoiler:bowrofl:

thats gotta be at least an extra 30-40kw's:D

*sorry guys, couldnt help it.

The 3rd gens actually have very good aerodynamics for a mass production sedan. They do get a little bit of seperation over the rear window, but a set of the EVO vortex generators would lower this :P (yes they do work, see here (http://www.mitsubishi-motors.com/corporate/about_us/technology/review/e/pdf/2004/16E_03.pdf)). Also having a flat underbody would help minimise drag and probably help lower the amount of lift.

I'm pretty certain that there isn't a wind tunnel in Aus that can accomodate a car without getting side boundary effects. And you also want a rolling road otherwise all the airflow under the car is wrong and there definately insn't one of those in Oz.

If you want I have access to pictures I can post up of a 3rd gen being tuft tested, basically short pieces of string/yarn stuck all over the car then driven along to see where seperation occurs.

I would like to see it. I thought a uni in melbourne had one large enough for car testing. Theres a small one in the building I work in but I cbf making a model.

OR we could jst attach a massive suction device so that there is so extreme downforce that the car sticks to the road like **** on velcro. :P lol funny thing is its been done.