i have a 2.6 ECI TP is it worth puttin performance parts like a turbo or extractors on it? or would i be better off savin up for a tj-ts model?
My TP only cost me 2400 so i thought if i bolted a turbo on it would be too much of an expensive project but i dont know whether itd give me much more power.

Also if i was to buy one what sort of turbo would best suit this series? i was thinkin a small GT 24 or so but i dont really know all that much about them.

Hey welcome!
why not hot it up ;) there a good car u seem to ave a 89TP, wot range eg executive, se. i got a 88 elante and 4 its age it still goes hard so i recon it would great to mod em, would be a sleeper 4 sure, do u ave a auto or manual?


AdAm

get a TE or better :D

all ive heard is that extractors do nothing, or very VERY little, not worth it.

all ive heard is that extractors do nothing, or very VERY little, not worth it.

Yes not unless you get the pod, and exchaust also :!:

My friend has has a TM Elite with EFI and a manual (Don't ask!!!). Putting extractors and a 2 1/4" exhaust did make a nice improvement, but not a huge one. Still has factory air box and so on.

Re: Is it really worth hottin up a 2.6 ECI multi?

No, its an old car and unless you plan to go all the way and never have another car, then no its pretty pointless.

i think its worth it - these cars are cheap now so parts are cheap if you blow something up, and the astrons benefit a lot from breathing mods..
plus the old magnas drive nicely
:)

thanx guys. i have a manual 89 tp elante it has 250k on the clock but the only thing wrong with it is a broken tacho. i replaced the clutch bout a month ago and i think the timing chain might need adjustment but it drives really well for $2400. i prefer the shape of the te to mine. love the front end. but i hate the new ones shape. down right ugly.

I looked into this a year or so ago, and basically gave up as it was too expensive for the power gain.

However, it really depends on what you want to do. It isn't as simple as whacking on a turbo and away you go. Just to list a number of things and approximate prices.

Turbo ($300+ for a cheap 2nd hand T28)
Manifold ($600 I was quoted for my MX6)
Exhaust ($500 with a standard muffler)
Fuel pump ($275 for a 255lph Walbro - overkill though)
Injectors ($200??? 2nd hand)
Intercooler (I'm selling my stocker for $80 bit small though)
Mild Steel pipes ($200)
BOV ($100+)
Piggyback computer ($1000, plus tuning $300 or so of full aftermarket $1500)
Pistons ($800 lower compression forged)
Head (Port and polish?? $1000)
Strengthed Gearbox???
Strengthed Diff etc???

Why not get a VR4 half cut? That way you get the stronger drivetrain with it.

And what do you get? Maybe 220hp??? For that much money I ended buying an MX6 which was more comfortable, and sleaker with WAY more potential and is easy to get to 220hp.

Just my 2c.
Tripharn

I looked into this a year or so ago, and basically gave up as it was too expensive for the power gain.

However, it really depends on what you want to do. It isn't as simple as whacking on a turbo and away you go. Just to list a number of things and approximate prices.

Turbo ($300+ for a cheap 2nd hand T28)
Manifold ($600 I was quoted for my MX6)
Exhaust ($500 with a standard muffler)
Fuel pump ($275 for a 255lph Walbro - overkill though)
Injectors ($200??? 2nd hand)
Intercooler (I'm selling my stocker for $80 bit small though)
Mild Steel pipes ($200)
BOV ($100+)
Piggyback computer ($1000, plus tuning $300 or so of full aftermarket $1500)
Pistons ($800 lower compression forged)
Head (Port and polish?? $1000)
Strengthed Gearbox???
Strengthed Diff etc???

Why not get a VR4 half cut? That way you get the stronger drivetrain with it.

And what do you get? Maybe 220hp??? For that much money I ended buying an MX6 which was more comfortable, and sleaker with WAY more potential and is easy to get to 220hp.

Just my 2c.
Tripharn

What VR4 has a 2.6?

Also as far as what car, it's all personal choice, I dont like mx6's myself and wouldn't spend the money on one...but I think a 220hp TP magna would certainly be fun ;)

The VR4 has a 4G63, 2.0L twin cam turbo. You can buy a complete front cut from a jap importer for around $3000. Bolts straight up to the original Magna gearbox, and as they are east-west mounted in the VR4 you shouldn't have too many troubles fitting it.

Bolts up to the gearbox?


Does it bolt into the TP tho?

Remembering that they came with a 2.6

I've just never heard about this conversion thats all...Im just curious

It definently bolts up to a manual, i'd bet money on it. Will bolt up to the auto box too, but i'm not sure what torque convertor you would need.

Does it bolt into the engine bay tho?

I'd say so. The 4 door Sapporo sold in Europe was basically a Magna with some cosmetic differences. Here's a link with some pics http://msapporo.demon.nl/Mitsubishi/Saloon/Saloon.htm Click on the photos link at the top of the page, then click on the Sapporo for some more pics.

These had a 2.4 version of the 4G63 (The 4G64). The main difference is that the VR4 is turboed. If RX Engineering can put a VR4 into a Colt, then it can be done to a Magna, may need some custom mounts though, i'm not sure.

It is too common for it to be that difficult.

If it bolts up to the gearbox then I would say that the mounts would be pretty damn close too... if not the same.

Tripharn

I think im gonna go with what turbo charade said about the order in which to enlist the help of some inexpensive parts to help your magna along "exhaust, throttle boddy, polish intake and extractors". what i wanted to know was do any of you brisbane fools have a place that will or has done this stuff for you and know they got a good value for dollar deal, wont rip me off and **** up the car.. once i get a name then i can enquire and get prices and save my pretty pennys.

I get all my exhaust / IC pipes etc made up at a place called Noyzworx in Lawnton.

At first they seemed a little dodgy... but I haven't had a problem and they are pretty cheap. A lot of people like DriftKing in Aspley, but they are expensive, but do a great job. Your decision.

Sorry I can't help you out with any of the engine rebuilding stuff, I took my old 2.6L to a company called PLR Engine Reconditioning, but that was just for a standard rebuild.

Tripharn

yes the 4G63 VR4 transplant into the gen 1 is a fairly simple excercise... i have lookinto it quite deeply (as to requirements not pricing) and the go is this...

the engine will bolt up to the gen 1 box.
the gen 1 box doesn't really like the power u can pull from these engines (apparently ok for the stock engine, but when u start to turn up the wick they dont last long).
the vr4 box is no good... something bout cuz ur only running the front wheels off a box designed for a AWD (muhahahahaha AWD conversion too!!!).
it does require some mount modifications.
requires a computer change.... but if ur putting out the money for the change over u'd go an aftermarket ECU cuz the VR4 comps are old and a bit dodgy.


I admit some of this might be a bit off... but this is what i've picked up from websites of ppl that have done the conversion.

maybe some1 like dave (mitsiman) could shed some more light on the issue.

Another option is the sigma turbo, which was the same 2.6L motor. Dave has told me the engines are not a straight swap... but i'm sure u could use the manifolds and such to build a cheapish kit.


Tim

Well personally I would agree with a previous poster, go with a TE or better. It will cost probably too much money to do it up. You're probably best off getting something like a TE magna for around $8000 or just under that. Don't forget as soon as you turbo it your insurance will go through the roof. I just see more hindrances then advantages of turboing an old magna with 250,000kms not to mention the costs involved.

See pics. VR4 engine and gearbox, all bolt up.

Trents Magna
Its a 1988 TN elite which I fitted a VR4 Galant motor into about 5years ago and converted to a manual.I did the job myself including wiring up the VR4 factory computer and loom. The motor is a standard import VR4 motor which is 179kw at 9psi boost and has dual intake runners out of the first VR4 cars they used to bring over to rally. On 14psi of boost it does a 14.5 secs at 98mph (only when I get traction though). With the magna gearbox attached to the VR4 motor and an 8000rpm redline I can do about 125km/h out of second but I have no where near the torque off the line of the 2.6 so a quick takeooff is either bog down ,wheelspin or slip the hell out of the clutch till 4000rpm then it flys.
I used to have the motor in a TM magna in 1994 but being a poverty pack with no power steer or aircon ,it was faster but torque steer was shocking.The motor is a pretty well straight bolt in job only requireing redrilling the roll mounts on the engine and lengthening the timing cover mount by 75mm to account for the VR4 motor being shorter. I run the VR4 factory loom and computer which is patched into my magnas wiring loom ..battery is relocated to the boot so the airflowmeter can fit better. The manual gearbox conversion was the hardest job as there are no mounts made in the floorplan of an elite for the manual gear so holes had to be drilled and the mounting points for the clutch pedal box had to be made as well. All my electrics are functional including cruise control, digital dash, factory tacho and guages,air con. The VR4 motor is a great fit in the car with enough room to get my arms between the timing pulleys and the side of the car.The biggest let down is my Gearboxes I blow the caseings and diffs on a gearbox in about 18months. I Tried a VR4 gearbox but found that without a rear diff hooked up the viscous 4wd coupling couldnt take it and slipped in first gear before finally dying a horrible death 2 weeks later , so be careful on that , luckily I got mine with the front cut so it wasnt a big loss. With the TN magna manual gearbox and an 8000rpm redline of the VR4 motor I can get 125km/h out of 2nd gear and when I run at the drags I did a 14.5secs at 98mph on 14psi boost while still in 3rd gear. What the motor does lack in is torque , I really develop no power below 3000rpm so taking off the line is a struggle but above 4000rpm the car will weight transfer and spin the wheels mid gear in second on Falken 205 tyres. My email adress is turbo4@corplink.com.au