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The future of the most radical homegrown Mitsubishi in a generation is hanging in the balance.

The supercharged TMR 380, built to star at last year's Sydney Motor Show, is almost ready for the road, but still needs the green light from Adelaide.

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http://carsguide.news.com.au/story/0,20384,21158214-21822,00.html

Sounds good!

looks NICE!
230kw... good but still not very competitive with Holden, Ford and Toyota with their mid-high 200kw beasties.
Is this going to be AWD or FWD?

They've been saying fwd, but the bit at the end about "off the shelf parts" sounds good for anyone with a 6g magna/380

Didn't somebody say earlier (in some other thread) of the TMR 380, that the fully equipped version would be AWD while the cheaper lookalike version wouldn't be?
Could be wrong.

saw it yesterday at the motor show, very impressive looking, didnt see under the hood tho

I'd think about owning one if it was awd

It will be FWD. The top speck TMR 380 will be supercharged @ 230kW. It is expected to be priced around or just under $50k. There will also be a standard 175+kW TMR 380 with most TMR bells and whistles, but without the s'charger; it's expected to replace the spot currently occupied by the 380GT.

Pics from someone on the OCAU forums...

http://www.caradvice.com.au/gallery/index.php?spgmGal=BIMS2007&spgmPage=26

Nice looking bodykit :)

Didn't somebody say earlier (in some other thread) of the TMR 380, that the fully equipped version would be AWD while the cheaper lookalike version wouldn't be?
Could be wrong.
No the fully equipped version will be supercharged, the cheaper version is just a drag queen.

Pics from someone on the OCAU forums...

http://www.caradvice.com.au/gallery/index.php?spgmGal=BIMS2007&spgmPage=26

Nice looking bodykit :)
Damn that looks hot from side on!
The more i see this car, the more i want one, but not in red, mmmmmm black. Yes i see the irony as i drive a red car :P.

the very bottom picture on the left, on the page in the ocau/caradvice link.... dear me it looks alot like a VE SS....

I heard some where on the grape vine that the 380 will be upgraded in the second half of this year and that will include MIVECing the engine. If this is true I would expect power (based on what Mitsi did with the Pajero) to jump from 175kw to around the 200kw mark, as well as imporve the fuel economy a bit too.
If Mitsi held off the TMR 380 until the MIVEC upgrade we could get a friggin hot motor vehicle.

I'm not sure if anyone else has posted this, but there was an artical in the Sunday paper that Sprintex as superchargered at 380 GT auto that they are using as a test mule and by the report all is looking good.

MIVEC is definately 1 of 2 upgrades DESPERATELY NEEDED for the 380 to survive. The very intelligent engine mmt that is currently on board will be given a whole new playground to roam in with variable cam timing. The will definately add some serious fear factor.

Upgrade 2 is obviously the final drive location. Aurions might have 200kw but no one wants a 200kw fwd.

No the fully equipped version will be supercharged, the cheaper version is just a drag queen.

Oh okay. That will obviously keep the price down too, I guess.

the TMR 380 was purely a marketing exercise for the shock factor at the motor show.The car was built in Aust. without the full knowledge of MMC thats why the car is not as hot as it could be.I wouldnt be holding my breath for any productioin models as nothing is slated at the moment,and if you read the GoAuto news they say that the car is pretty difficult to drive,mainly because it is way to low etc etc.

Hmmm...

Well if that is the case, why does Sprintex refuse to correspond with me on a supercharger kit for the 380? Their response has been to contact Ralliart at Dandenong or MML.


The installation was undertaken for a customer and is the subject of formal agreements which prohibit us from providing any further information.

We suggest you contact Mr Alan Heaphy at Team Mitsubishi Ralliart.

Regards

Stephen Wilkinson

Stephen Wilkinson
Sales & Marketing Manager

Australian Automotive Components Pty Ltd
Sprintex / Vee Two / AAC Property Investments
P: +61 8 9262 7277 F: +61 8 9262 7288 M: +61 418 926 636
Email: stephenw@austautocomp.com.au

Hmmm...

Well if that is the case, why does Sprintex refuse to correspond with me on a supercharger kit for the 380?

Thats cos the company doesnt wanna offer anything outside of there "unrefined" kits that are currently on the market for "standard magnas" only.

I had a long and unfruitful conversation with the guy 6weeks ago about buying a magna kit minus the crappy piggyback ecu thing that they use (cos im able to remap my ecu) and i wanted NO warrenty as it was going on to a highly modified engine.... his response was there not interested end of story.

There loss not mine

they wouldnt supply you the kit minus ecu, cos there isnt an ecu with it, just a plastic matchbox and a few with a few wires hanging out of it..

you can have my ecu if you like it's in the garbage now :D

the only thing the kit has going for it is that the blower is really good compared to an eaton or someother crud, but the manifold/inake design could be better.....

Did anyone see the write up in either wheels or motor.

15.4 for the 1/4. hmmm thats standard XT falcon times....wats the point in this car?

and until Mitsubishi release they need to make it rear wheel drive they will NEVER compete with ford or holden I'm sorry i love my magna and wouldn't trade it for a falcon or commodore but damn guys as soon as you say front wheel drive people go yuk

and until Mitsubishi release they need to make it rear wheel drive they will NEVER compete with ford or holden I'm sorry i love my magna and wouldn't trade it for a falcon or commodore but damn guys as soon as you say front wheel drive people go yuk


blah blah blah blah blah :doubt:



Did anyone see the write up in either wheels or motor.

15.4 for the 1/4. hmmm thats standard XT falcon times....wats the point in this car?

Those times are completely wrong. I think the standard 380's times were equal to that or atleast extremely close to it.

Those times are completely wrong. I think the standard 380's times were equal to that or atleast extremely close to it.

Nope cause they raved about it in the mag..though they did say handling was a real plus...pretty sure it was wheels.

and they got a 7.6 for the 100m's

Nope cause they raved about it in the mag..though they did say handling was a real plus...pretty sure it was wheels.

and they got a 7.6 for the 100m's

Mate, this was discussed in the General section. The standard times for my car- VRX - as tested by Wheels themselves in 2005 is 7.5 for 0 - 100kmh and 15.5 for 400m. That is for an auto. Manual was 2/10 second faster.

There is no way a supercharger is not going to improve those times by at least a second as evidenced by the many TJ installations.

Wheels mucked up the test; I don't know why they bothered publishing the results when it didn't even match stock standard times they recorded themselves.

Wheels mucked up the test; I don't know why they bothered publishing the results when it didn't even match stock standard times they recorded themselves.


Well then why publish them? are we assuming they had one run, looked at the times and went meh?

they wouldnt supply you the kit minus ecu, cos there isnt an ecu with it, just a plastic matchbox and a few with a few wires hanging out of it..

you can have my ecu if you like it's in the garbage now :D

the only thing the kit has going for it is that the blower is really good compared to an eaton or someother crud, but the manifold/inake design could be better.....

If you read my post, i said all i wanted them to supply me was a basic kit minus the crap (plastic box with a few wires, seventh injector, warrenty etc etc).... meaning i only wanted the blower and manifold and nothing else.... but they wouldnt do it so ive now gone elsewhere. :D

Ive been in consultation with a more local blower supplier here in SA (my old place of work machine/manufacture there pulleys and other alloy items) and things are looking good. A couple of guys on here know what ive been up to and where things are going, its just going to take abit more time now.

Moving on, lets just hope MMAL gets this car on sale soon as they deperately need a image building car in the 380's range. :)

Well then why publish them? are we assuming they had one run, looked at the times and went meh?

No.

They stated that the low gearing the manual 380 has, combined with the chunky low down grunt of the S/C 3.8 and a slippery track made it hard to launch the TMR380 cleanly.

MMAL really should look at making the gearing taller for the S/C 380 by changing the diff ratio (maybe use the taller manual magna diff ratio)

They also stated that the auto version that sprintex used for development of the TMR380 supercharger kit is a fair bit quicker in its times than the manual one that wheels ran times in.

fair enough but wats the other guy on...

I think we need to remember it's still being developed as we speak, and the release date was moved from May to later this year to ensure no stone is left unturned. To jump to any form of conclusion based on performance times from what is still a concept car is stupid.

How about we wait for the actual production-ready model, watch it do sub-7 second 0-100km/h times and then discuss it.

I've noticed something here and that's the trap speed achieved on the 1/4 mile run. I mean, 137km/h? That seems a bit strange considering it ran a 15.4 (which is also very strange) I mean my Magna traps 157km/h and has approx 210kW (200HP ATW) and the TMR has 230kW but more importantly a shedload of torque. I know it's heavier (150kgs or so) but to only trap 137km/h I thought very weird. I mean that's only 85mph?? Misprint or hope things get better if it goes into production?

The trap speed is probably more of an indication of how low geared the 380 is compared to the magna which runs a taller diff ratio.

The trap speed is probably more of an indication of how low geared the 380 is compared to the magna which runs a taller diff ratio.
I do remember reading that 2nd gear in the TMR mule maxed out at 86km/h. :nuts: You can imagine what it'd be like in 1st and second with such short ratios and 442Nm torque. Hopefully those ratios get revised a bit... with the extra torque of the engine you would imagine the ratios could be upped a fair bit.

I don't know, guys. I remember doing 400m times for my hairdresser car Celica RA23 in which I'd put a twin cam engine and that was very short geared as well but it still managed 140+ kph at the end.

I really think Wheels has majorly ballsed it up. I wonder if they checked under the bonnet first to see whether it was the one with the SC and not the show stand pony....:disgusted

I do remember reading that 2nd gear in the TMR mule maxed out at 86km/h. :nuts: You can imagine what it'd be like in 1st and second with such short ratios and 442Nm torque. Hopefully those ratios get revised a bit... with the extra torque of the engine you would imagine the ratios could be upped a fair bit.


Yeah as i stated in my post a bit earlier about the low diff gearing of the standard manual 380 (4.11), it doesnt suit the extra grunt of the S/C version.
They really should gear it up a bit by using at least the same diff ratio that the manual magna had (3.7), maybe even a bit taller than that.

Hopefully they realise the downfall of the short gearing in the prototype TMR380 manual and modify it accordingly, i guess it all depends if theres money left in there development budget.

Good news......



http://www.redbook.goauto.com.au/mellor/mellor.nsf/story2/D337F878E4482D6ACA2572970002D13F

Good news......
http://www.redbook.goauto.com.au/mellor/mellor.nsf/story2/D337F878E4482D6ACA2572970002D13F

That IS good news (considering the feedback I attracted by speculating - in another thread - that the TMR probably won't be made). And this article suggests only a few wrinkles need ironing out before the TMR is fully-production ready.

Good news......



http://www.redbook.goauto.com.au/mellor/mellor.nsf/story2/D337F878E4482D6ACA2572970002D13F
That is very good news. Next month by their account. Can't wait for the mags to get their hands on a production version.