Hi,

Well to the really bad tune i have at the moment i am looking at getting a different ECU.

I have been looking at:
Haltech e6x
Wolf V500
Unichip
a few others.

However i was looking at the Greddy Emanage Ultimate (http://www.greddy.com/products/display/?Category=electronics&SubCategory=47).

The Greddy looks really good and sounds like exactly what i need. For a price of about 600 for the ECU alone. it seems like very good value

I was just wondering is there anyone that has one?
Is there anything else i should consider?

Thanks

Tristian

Well, I would consider a piggyback that allows you to run extra injector(s).

The problem with just running your standard injectors is that unless you increase the fuel pressure (to increase the fuel flow through the injectors) - you need aditional injectors. Increasing the fuel flow brings with it other problems - it throws all of your maps out of wack down low, and the injectors aren't as quick to close, so short openings (at idle etc) will be very difficult to control.

I've got to make an extra injector controller - I made a single dimension controller ages ago for my old saab, but need to read up a bit more on fourier transformations for multiple dimensions.

Someone needs to take a supercharged AWD and have a look at the injector duty cycle at boost - if it isn't 100% then there is still some scope for improvement with a piggyback.

Especially with a rising rate fuel pressure regulator. Extra injectors always have problems with even fuel distribution...

Cheers
Heath Young

I'll recommend an emanage (I don't have an ultimate - but basically the same with a few less features), if you an find someone to tune it where you are. Also - heathyoung makes a good point about the extra injector, I have no idea if the emanage is capable of managing such a setup.

Also - if $600 is the price of the unit, you will be up for another couple of hundred dollars for the injector and ingition harnesses in order to get the most out of the unit.

Being a piggyback ecu - you will get to retain (or at least won't have to **** around too much to get them working) many of the "nice" features that the guys who go full replacement will loose. Things like cold startup, cruise control, tacho etc.

Im enquiring about the 7th injector support.

Well i have found one that includes the ECU, Harness, manuals, software, mss switching mechanism for use with other Greddy items.

that comes to 600 shipped.

Also i just called Hi Tourqe performance in doveton.

The rkn that the Emanage will not be suitable for my application. He said that the Emanage is not made for local they are made for Imports ETC.

I have been trying to get a hold of Technik Tuning but i am not having any luck.
Anyone got there number. i called 94951883 but its the wrong number.

EDIT: Also i called Hi Torque earlier this week in regards to a Haltech e6x and was after a quote on everything. They advised me that they are waiting on haltech as they may have a plug n play option for the magna. When i called Haltech the said they didn't but they were happy to supply me with the plug etc and i could make my own...

I don't know much but....

When I was going to go for a piggyback it came down to the Haltech and the E-manage.

Haltech Interceptor:
2 maps thats can be changed inbetween.
Programming software is supplied free so you can fiddle.
Not sure about injectors
$1000 + $600 or so for fitting and tuning

Greddy:
Bit more closed shop with software costing extra
Can get the injector harness that can drive 2 additional 'sub injectors'
$600 + $600 for fitting or tuning.

It depends on your requirements. Personally I would never go with those items that require you to go back to a 'authorised reseller' to tune it.

Im enquiring about the 7th injector support.

The rkn that the Emanage will not be suitable for my application. He said that the Emanage is not made for local they are made for Imports ETC.



Walk away.....fast....RUN BOY RUN!!!

Theres are few people here that are using or have used the E-manage.

Walk away.....fast....RUN BOY RUN!!!

Theres are few people here that are using or have used the E-manage.

haha am i running from Hi Torque or Emanage...

Hi Torque....

you need a 4bbl holley on it lol

why not get the manual conversion first then just chuck the whole factory ecu and go full replacment

like motec with motec dash and data logging and... ok maybe not...

my microtech is costing a fait bit $1750 supply fit dynoed tuned etc... but i was quoted $1200 everywhere to do the same with a uni chip.....


i was talking to a dude with a 9sec VL last night and an XR6T with 480rwkw and he reckons he can just see the power waiting to be unleashed :badgrin: and esp with 8psi going into it, it should fly once tuned

he reckons he can just see the power waiting to be unleashed :badgrin: and esp with 8psi going into it, it should fly once tuned

You sure 8psi is a good idea without any kind of cooling? Even if you fit water injection, you will want to make sure it's always topped up and in good running condition. Hot day and 8psi of boost without cooling....:shock: Melted pistons?

I agree fully - you must use the water level switch in your resovoir (low water alarm float switch) to switch between maps, or at least activate a boost dump or ignition retard, or you will kill your pistons in very short order.

Cheers
Heath Young

You sure 8psi is a good idea without any kind of cooling? Even if you fit water injection, you will want to make sure it's always topped up and in good running condition. Hot day and 8psi of boost without cooling....:shock: Melted pistons?
they run 7.5psi stock on a warm day. I've seen my needle hit 8 psi on a cold dry night. Wish there was a dyno open at 2am somewhere that night lol

they run 7.5psi stock on a warm day. I've seen my needle hit 8 psi on a cold dry night. Wish there was a dyno open at 2am somewhere that night lol

I thought they run around 6psi, but I guess tolerances play a part. 8psi sounds like a lot for my liking, especially with your car having 9.4:1 CR.

I know allot of the newer factory cars are coming out with CR's of around 10:1 or more (BF being an example) in turbocharged spec, but they run good engine management. The Sprintex kit doesn't bring the Magnas ECU programming upto the same level of control. So I'd be careful in extracting more power out of these kits without proper support modifications.

The Haltech ECUs are very nice. One thing worth noting though is that the E6X is the last E6-series ECU they will be making, so if you're looking Haltech consider E8 or E11v2 if you can afford it.

Of course all those Haltechs are full replacement ECUs. The Interceptor is their piggy-back and it can drive an extra injector, boost controller, etc.

Oh, on the Haltech front, from what I've heard, the Evo harness is meant to be the same as the Magna, so that might have been the plug-and-play solution the other shop was talking about.

The rkn that the Emanage will not be suitable for my application. He said that the Emanage is not made for local they are made for Imports ETC.



Well they are made in Japan. And I doubt you will find any official support for installation into a magna. All you will need to source is a good, clear wiring diagram for your ECU (autos and manuals have different ecu wiring config) and any experienced installer or auto elec should be able to wire it up for you.

Well they are made in Japan. And I doubt you will find any official support for installation into a magna. All you will need to source is a good, clear wiring diagram for your ECU (autos and manuals have different ecu wiring config) and any experienced installer or auto elec should be able to wire it up for you.

well according the the manual the 6G74 is supported so i don't know what that guy was on about

I spoke to Ray from Technik Tuning (Thanks Vince) On Tuesday I am going so Ray can have a look at my car and reccomend a ECU.

This guy knows his sht...

just thread hijacking here, but my car is going in next thursday to be microteched :badgrin:

i'll keep you posted on the update and the before and after results (sprintex tune vs custom)

well according the the manual the 6G74 is supported so i don't know what that guy was on about

I spoke to Ray from Technik Tuning (Thanks Vince) On Tuesday I am going so Ray can have a look at my car and reccomend a ECU.

This guy knows his sht...

You'll probabaly find that the 6G74 which is supported is the out of the eclipse or something, and I'd be very surprised if we share the same engine management. When I was getting mine installed - the guy said, we have a listing for a 6G72 and I was like "thats the 3L V6, mine has the same ECU, and it turned out that the 6G72 it was referring to was from a 3000GT or something.

Well this afternoon i am going to see the guys at Technik Tuning in West Heidleberg(sp)

Been Speaking to Ray there (thanks Vince)

He wants to have a look at the car and will advise what he thinks.

He was saying that the air/flow meter in the Magna may not be suitable/compatble with the Greddy Ultimate. Then he continued by saying that they may have to get one out of a 3000GT. But then he said before we can continue i would like to see what you have in your car and we will go from there.

Good guy and so far he has been the most helpful out of the 6 tuning shops that i have called. Only one that will actually do something. All the other ones were like we will get someone to get back to you... First impressions last...

just thread hijacking here, but my car is going in next thursday to be microteched :badgrin:

i'll keep you posted on the update and the before and after results (sprintex tune vs custom)

so whats happening with yours? is it still getting done this thursday?

Well this afternoon i am going to see the guys at Technik Tuning in West Heidleberg(sp)

Been Speaking to Ray there (thanks Vince)

He wants to have a look at the car and will advise what he thinks.

He was saying that the air/flow meter in the Magna may not be suitable/compatble with the Greddy Ultimate. Then he continued by saying that they may have to get one out of a 3000GT. But then he said before we can continue i would like to see what you have in your car and we will go from there.

Good guy and so far he has been the most helpful out of the 6 tuning shops that i have called. Only one that will actually do something. All the other ones were like we will get someone to get back to you... First impressions last...

AFAIK the airflow meter on the 3000GT and the magna are both Karman-Vortex. If not, your replacement AFM will not work with the stock computer (but from reading the Greddy Ultimate documentation you can replace your AFM anyway - I would be running a 2 bar MAP sensor meself... 3Bar is overkill, and the resolution would be poorer.

Cheers
Heath Young

so whats happening with yours? is it still getting done this thursday?

car is going in on thursday :D and they have to send the dizzy off to get checked out so they can load the base maps onto the the new ecu then its getting fitted and tuned will be off the road for a week or two

www.protekautomotive.com.au

Tristain: Give HP-F a call.. I think (from memory) they deal in Haltech equipment.

They are a great bunch of blokes!

www.hp-f.com.au

Check out the Apexi AFC Neo. It's the successor to the SAFC-II.
Should be able to get it to your door for around $450.
Display is much more impressive than previous models, and has a bunch of functions in both monitoring and setting modes.

I'm thinking of grabbing one for the TL :cool:

Link:

http://www.perfectrun.com.au/performance%20parts/electronic%20controller/air%20flow%20controller/APEXi%20AFCneo.htm

Free plug to Perfect Run ! :D