Im new to the world of modifying engines, and i was wondering if a HKS Turbo T51 SPL, would suit a 1999 mitsubishi magan sports, 3.5 litre V6

Im new to the world of modifying engines, and i was wondering if a HKS Turbo T51 SPL, would suit a 1999 mitsubishi magan sports, 3.5 litre V6


Its not really about the turbo and it suiting the vehicle, its about the turbo being able to bolt onto a manifold that will fit you're car, dig up black beards twin turbo thread, that will give u more of an idea on what you will need to do.

good luck, its a very expensive process!!

what's your budget. Ever thought about supercharging?


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lenda: Im new to the world of modifying engines, and i was wondering if a HKS Turbo T51 SPL, would suit a 1999 mitsubishi magan sports, 3.5 litre V6

Nowhere here do i see any reference to the stickers or rims on lenda's car......

If you dont wish to answer the question asked, please dont comment.....


If you dont like stickers on lenda's car, too bad, if there is a thread titled ''do you like the stickers on my car'', you may then give your opinions.......



lenda, as to the turbo question you've posted, i have no idea, your better off asking some of our forced induction'd members !

turbo depends on what peak boost pressure you want and how well it'll needs to flow...

eg my 2 mates 180's are running 10psi and 12psi respectively. The 12psi one matches my top end while the other doesn't even come close... if the 12psi one dropped it back to 10psi it'd still be faster than the other due to a better suited turbo...

No that turbo is not suited to your magna.

Don't know much about HKS turbos (other than that they are dear as poison).

In terms of Garrett turbo chargers that would suit a magna application, based on my research into the topic:

For a single turbo application on a 3.5L:
GT3035
GT3540 or
GT40 (probably just leaning on the too big side - but was used successfully on a heavily worked 3.0L turbo engine by a member named Boosted_Booya)

For a twin turbo application on a 3.5L:
GT25's (recommended by RPW for "stage 1 & 2" TT applications)
GT28's (what I'm running - and is a little laggy with a mechanical boost controller)
GT25RS's (aka disco potatoes) - these are pretty expensive but apparently extremely responsive with a good HP rating

These are only the turbo models, most of these turbos can be purchased with different sized exhaust housings, which will determine how much HP they can create, and how quickly they will spool up.

If you are looking at a single turbo option - it would also be worth considering the pros/cons of an external wastegate setup (eg: pro - capable of handling much higher boost / con - expensive).

Black_Beard

Just some specs here for you on the HKS T5r SPL - its a 1000ps turbo:

HKS T51R SPL - 1000 PS Output
COMPRESSOR:
-Wheel- 56 Trim - 76.5 Inducer/ 102.2 Major
-Housing- 100 Inlet / 80 Outlet
TURBINE:
-Wheel- 76 Trim - 82.0 Major / 71.4 Exducer
-Housing- V-Band inlet / V-Band 115.5 mm outlet - 1.00 A/R

in comparison - HKS GT2510 (near the Garrett GT25) for Twin Turbo Application

HKS GT2510 - 300 PS Output

COMPRESSOR:
-Wheel- 63 Trim - 47.7 Inducer / 60.1 Major
-Housing- 60 Inlet / 50 Outlet - 0.60 A/R
TURBINE:
-Wheel- 62 Trim - 53.0 Major / 41.7 Exducer
-Housing- GT25 inlet / Internal GT25 oulet - 0.64 A/R


Or for single turbo application - HSK GT30375S (similar to Garrett GT30)

HKS GT3037S - 450/480 PS Output

COMPRESSOR:
-Wheel- 52/56 Trims - 55.0/57.0 Inducers / 76.2 Major
-Housing- 100 Inlet / 50 Outlet - 0.60 A/R
TURBINE:
-Wheel- 84 Trim - 60.0 Major / 55.0 Exducer
-Housing- GT25 inlet / External GT30 outlet; 0.61, 0.73, 0.87, 1.01, 1.12 A/R

as you can see - the T51R is way big ;)

Black_Beard

Just some specs here for you on the HKS T5r SPL - its a 1000ps turbo:

HKS T51R SPL - 1000 PS Output
COMPRESSOR:
-Wheel- 56 Trim - 76.5 Inducer/ 102.2 Major
-Housing- 100 Inlet / 80 Outlet
TURBINE:
-Wheel- 76 Trim - 82.0 Major / 71.4 Exducer
-Housing- V-Band inlet / V-Band 115.5 mm outlet - 1.00 A/R



as you can see - the T51R is way big ;)


So it's the kind of turbo you put on a heavily modified large capacity inline 6 cylinder engine designed purely for putting out big numbers on a dyno......

(like the "DRAGGER" supra)

sorry mate but it just looks like you'v gone and found the biggest turbo hks make and decided you want it on your car, and im sorry again but id change your avatar pic if you want people to take it more seriously
good luck,
tom

So it's the kind of turbo you put on a heavily modified large capacity inline 6 cylinder engine designed purely for putting out big numbers on a dyno......

(like the "DRAGGER" supra)

Pretty much - guy over east just put out 436ish RWKW with one of these on a stock motor with stock fuel system ... it is being questioned ... but yeah ... made for hi hp applications like "DRAGGER" - 1003 RWHP or something :D

Its not really about the turbo and it suiting the vehicle, its about the turbo being able to bolt onto a manifold that will fit you're car

ood luck, its a very expensive process!!
WTF!!!

^^^dont take notice of that comment...the turbo is absolutely definately needed to suit the car....its responsible for how the entire car makes use of the power it has
i have played around with a lot of turbo's in my time with imports and alike and i can tell u,if u make the wrong decision on the turbo ull never ever get the car to full potential..and end up spending more money in other areas trying to make up for the crappy turbo choice.

ill give u an example if you were to turbo a magna(talking twin turbo)...
take 3 popular size turbo's
option 1-
t28BB(one off a s15 200sx)-very responsive and prob able to support around 260KWatw...this option is best suited for responce...there would be little lag and there for i great all round turbo..these are great all round turbos and can hadle 14psi regulary...
about $550p/turbo 2nd hand and $900 new
option 2-t25 (off a silvia/180sx)-one again very responsive turbo but this time only able to suppost around 190KWatw..not a good option at all as isnt not ball bearing,and cant support good hp and would fail sooner than option 1 and 3...you would only boost this turbo to approx 10psi regulary
about $300p/turbo 2nd hand........maybe $780 new
option 3-
HKS GT-RS (i personally deal with this turbo and have used in in my own car)-exactly the same physical size as the t25 and t28..this is a super responsive turbo..able to support around 440HPatw..sensational option for all types of motor sport.can support 20psi regulary and up to 27psi if needed.
about $1500p/turbo 2nd hand.......$2500new

so as u can see the hks is a far far superior turbo...

why u pay so much for HKS/brand name turbo's u ask?
eash year they spend lots of time with engineers to get the blades of the turbo right and spend a lot of money on reasearch to make that turbo perform to its absolute top...just look at the power difference betwwen the t28 and gtrs

YOU GET WHAT U PAY FOR IN A TURBO..DONT LET PEOPLE TELL U DIFFERENTLY...

you can make up a custom manifold to house any style turbo u want...and to turbo a magna id prob get someone local to do it...

Im new to the world of modifying engines, and i was wondering if a HKS Turbo T51 SPL, would suit a 1999 mitsubishi magan sports, 3.5 litre V6
absolutely not...unless you want that bad boy to spool up at around 5500rpm ish and then never ever hit full boost...

this turbo is about the same size as a t88(trust)...made for supra's etc that make 1000hp+

not to mention u have a auto...so prety much forget about any serious hp until you get a manual or spend some big $$$ on that box


if u really really want a HKS turbo i have a HKS gtrs turbo in absolutely mint mint condition and has done under 1000km's for $1300...

WTF!!!

^^^dont take notice of that comment...the turbo is absolutely definately needed to suit the car....its responsible for how the entire car makes use of the power it has
i have played around with a lot of turbo's in my time with imports and alike and i can tell u,if u make the wrong decision on the turbo ull never ever get the car to full potential..and end up spending more money in other areas trying to make up for the crappy turbo choice.

ill give u an example if you were to turbo a magna(talking twin turbo)...
take 3 popular size turbo's
option 1-
t28BB(one off a s15 200sx)-very responsive and prob able to support around 260KWatw...this option is best suited for responce...there would be little lag and there for i great all round turbo..these are great all round turbos and can hadle 14psi regulary...
about $550p/turbo 2nd hand and $900 new
option 2-t25 (off a silvia/180sx)-one again very responsive turbo but this time only able to suppost around 190KWatw..not a good option at all as isnt not ball bearing,and cant support good hp and would fail sooner than option 1 and 3...you would only boost this turbo to approx 10psi regulary
about $300p/turbo 2nd hand........maybe $780 new
option 3-
HKS GT-RS (i personally deal with this turbo and have used in in my own car)-exactly the same physical size as the t25 and t28..this is a super responsive turbo..able to support around 440HPatw..sensational option for all types of motor sport.can support 20psi regulary and up to 27psi if needed.
about $1500p/turbo 2nd hand.......$2500new

so as u can see the hks is a far far superior turbo...

why u pay so much for HKS/brand name turbo's u ask?
eash year they spend lots of time with engineers to get the blades of the turbo right and spend a lot of money on reasearch to make that turbo perform to its absolute top...just look at the power difference betwwen the t28 and gtrs

YOU GET WHAT U PAY FOR IN A TURBO..DONT LET PEOPLE TELL U DIFFERENTLY...

you can make up a custom manifold to house any style turbo u want...and to turbo a magna id prob get someone local to do it...


ahh buddy i meant that most turbos will fit the vehicle aslong as the manifold is made for that turbo and his model of car, i never mentioned anything about the turbos performance and if it would be the best for his car, yeh maybe i should of rephrased it a little better but oh well, dont throw a fit or anything!!

i didnt throw a fit..i was telling the guy that what u said was wrong..

manifolds arnt made for turbo's either.. they are made for the car like u said...a manifold for a turbo isnt nearly as important to be precise as what it is for NA cars....the only manifold(so to speak) that is "made for the turbo" is the dump pipe but they are a universal sizes (ie-t2,t3,t4 etc)

maybe next time just take more time to write what u mean a little more clearly..no harm done tho..i now understand what u mean

i didnt throw a fit..i was telling the guy that what u said was wrong..

manifolds arnt made for turbo's either.. they are made for the car like u said...a manifold for a turbo isnt nearly as important to be precise as what it is for NA cars....the only manifold(so to speak) that is "made for the turbo" is the dump pipe but they are a universal sizes (ie-t2,t3,t4 etc)

maybe next time just take more time to write what u mean a little more clearly..no harm done tho..i now understand what u mean


yeh its all good mate, i should have rephrased a little better, my bad!!

i didnt throw a fit..i was telling the guy that what u said was wrong..

manifolds arnt made for turbo's either.. they are made for the car like u said...a manifold for a turbo isnt nearly as important to be precise as what it is for NA cars....the only manifold(so to speak) that is "made for the turbo" is the dump pipe but they are a universal sizes (ie-t2,t3,t4 etc)

maybe next time just take more time to write what u mean a little more clearly..no harm done tho..i now understand what u mean

All well and good - but WTF are you on about?? the flange from the manifold to bolt the turbo to can be measured in universal sizes "T2 / T3 / T4" etc - but a dump pipe isn't?

As much as the manifold has to bolt to the car it also has to bolt to the turbo ;) so the flange of the manifold is quite important, though not hard to change.

The other thing you need to remember is the engine will need to be built and de-compressed if you plan to use more then a few psi of boost ... so don't think you can run 20 psi through a stock 6G motor ;) that ain't gonna happen.

All well and good - but WTF are you on about?? the flange from the manifold to bolt the turbo to can be measured in universal sizes "T2 / T3 / T4" etc - but a dump pipe isn't?

As much as the manifold has to bolt to the car it also has to bolt to the turbo ;) so the flange of the manifold is quite important, though not hard to change.

The other thing you need to remember is the engine will need to be built and de-compressed if you plan to use more then a few psi of boost ... so don't think you can run 20 psi through a stock 6G motor ;) that ain't gonna happen.
all well and good but wtf are YOU on about...dump pipes have all different sytles and shapes and stud patterns.

i didnt say you can throw 20psi through a magna motor. if you read my post carefull i was referring to the turbo..not the engine..

you could prob run up to 7psi into a stock motor if your game,tho like u said i woudl def be getting a my motor decompressed at least...

in my opinion turbo'ing a magna in my opinion is wasted money.looking at atleast 7K not including turbo etc...they are cars that are just not made to have so much hp..but thats a different topic..

well well well....ahahaha

Thanks for all your opinions, it has given me alot to think about, and enquire on, thanks to all which were involved