I have been quoted similar price for Pirelli Dragon in 235/45/17 94w and Michelin Preceda Pilot 2 (PP2). I want a good quality tyre that will give good steering response and good wet weather grip (not that it rains much). The guy says that the Pirellis are a better tyre but as it's aggressive and asymetrical he can't guarantee it won't tramline on a FWD car. The Michelins look the safer option but I don't want to compromise the handling.
Has anybody got either of these tyres that can comment on their performance.

Or anyone suggest an alternative for similar price (around $200/corner)

cheers

they are both good brands of tyres
the both are long lasting
i have pirelli's on my car but have purchased to new tyres for the front, hankooks ventus sports k104
good tyres they are, handles way better than my pirellis, but thats just my opinion
i would go for either but also get some prices on hankook tyres

id go michelin being i see tyre outcomes after 10 or so thousand ks
stay clear of dunlop or bridgestone well my choise to anyway

Hello there
I am happy with Michelin PP2's . I used this tyre (PP1) on my previous Subaru,and that's why when i needed replacement for Goodyear GSD3 F1,i went back to Michelin. Wet weather grip is not as good as F1's (which are really amazing), but still much better than Bridgestones GGrids. In the dry they feel slightly different to F1's ,but they are definately better controled on the limit. Michelins are not a compromise in any way they are a top tyre. Pirelli Dragos AFIK are not made in 225/50/17,and if you 've got 17x7 rims fitting 235/45/17 is illegal.
Having said all that ,i was about to get another set of F1's but could not get them in time and at the right price...With those fitted car felt almost like a Subaru in the rain.

i have the pirelli dragons on myne, cannot fault them at all, they cannot lose traction hardly.... never slips in the wet even at full throttle from the line... this is in rwd however

michelin better by far , maxxis maz1 are good value for money performance wise aswell always rate high in wheels mag tyre tests . toyos are good using them at moment

Michelins all day long. As for the Toyo comment above, how long have you had them on? are they T1-S or R ? they are a sticky tyre, but dont last long at all!

I always buy Michelins now. I don't know the particular model you mentioned but Michelins generally last longer than Pirellis. They both handle well in the wet. Pirellis may be slightly better for wet weather braking.

using toyo trampio mp3 getting good ks at moment , still i woulg use michelin over pirelli because they are quieter

Pirelli Dragos AFIK are not made in 225/50/17,and if you 've got 17x7 rims fitting 235/45/17 is illegal.

I am getting 17x7.5 so will be legal in 235/45/17

I am getting 17x7.5 so will be legal in 235/45/17

Will your insurance cover you though???
Most will only allow maximum 7 inch width on Magna........:(

Will your insurance cover you though???
Most will only allow maximum 7 inch width on Magna........:(
As long as it conforms to the RTA guidelines for what is legal on a car of that sort. IE. The track does not vary by more than 26mm over std, and the wheels/tyres do not fowl on the bodywork or protrude beyond the guards.
The current offset of my 7" rims is 46mm. The new ones are 38mm. A variation of 16mm from std, which is within guidelines. The extra width of the wheel at 12mm moves the outer edge of the wheel out by 20mm, which, with the VRX flares is also well within the limits.
If they want to argue I can get it certified by an engineer. :badgrin:

I have another option for you birdman, I have just had Falken Ziex 329s fitted to my VR-X, and I’m very happy with them. My uncle has them on his clubsport, and my dad uses them on his 380.

They're getting good wear and good performance, in the rain today, was getting a little amount of spin and tramp, and then grip, which wasn't bad coming out of intersections, and going full throttle in first gear.

They cost me about $220 a tyre

Tyres - I love tyres. :D
I see following statement quite often: Last long – good tyres.
Generally: Hard tyres = last long. Hard tyres = bad grip.
U ask a Taxi driver for "good tyres" and he would prolly say Bridge RE 92, cos they last million km. Although my RE 92's are still ok after 4 yrs (the fact that they’re in the shed might have something to do with that?)
Ask a drag racer for a good tyre and he will say to get something very soft for best grip.
And also, tyres get harder by age and become more slippery - generally after 3 yrs of use. Thread depth has not much to do with dry grip. In other words, if somebody is selling second hand tyres with plenty of thread, it really means nothing in dry grip wise, check the age (long number on the side, last digits indicate week and year of manufacturing).
To the question it self: can't say, haven't had those tyres my self, but currently running 3+ yr old Toyo TPGs and wanting to get something quite soft to give me grip.
My Bro had Precedas in his Vectra and said they had incredible dry grip, especially in cornering. I drove that car, and so it was. They lasted some 30G km – of hard driving.
Rubber, love the smell of it. :bowrofl:

+1 for Michelin.

If you are serious about obtaining more responsive handling, I'd suggest a firmish rear sway bar and slight lowering with firmer springs and suspension.

Even with average tyres, the sharper response will be greatly noticeable.

I'd suggest a firmish rear sway bar and slight lowering with firmer springs and suspension.

I already have the firmer rear bar and front strut brace, so will see. I'm sure that once I get the new wheels and tyres everyone will tell me to lower it anyway.:doubt:

I had a set of the pirelli dragons. Probably one of the best tyres i've owned.

Wet weather grip was pretty damn good even under braking. Alot of other tyres tend to handle ok in the wet but dont like braking in the wet.. the dragons do both very well.

Road noise was very reasonable and much less than that of a traditional 'spider web' tread tyre.

Sidewalls were also much stiffer than alot of the cheaper 'perforance' labeled tyres, although they did still feel a bit softer than they could have been. They ride fairly comfortable.

Still... a great tyre for a balance of everything.

I have Pirelli Dragons atm. Never had an issue with them. Great tyre, though fairly expensive ($300ish if I remember correctly). I think they may have actually shortened my stopping distance (Townsville people can't drive) by nearly 2 meters. And I've never lost traction, no matter how much I try.

Can't say much about the Michelin tyres myself, but they are used in F1 racing IIRC.