I have a K&N, High flow Cat, Custom Performance Exhaust, Pacemakers on there way, barry's fuel rail kit and iridium spark plugs and ngk leads, what else could i do under $1000 to get more out of my N/A?

can i put a vtec on it?









:bowrofl: but seriously what else is available for magnas as i'm not to familular with there aftermarket market???

Fit some of the ralliart engine mechanicals (eg ralliart cams)

for a little over 1000 (round the 1200 mark) get some new cams, thats the best u can go for NA but with the degree of the grind u may need management, really not much u can do other than get some good rubber for the 1k mark

i know of a member on here selling rpw heads for a grand or there about .... that would be a GREAT option for sure

get turbo uleh so it doeses :P




but dan, seriously... get cams and a tuneable ecu

cams plus ecu will cost way over as grand dude,

plus if u plan on getting cams u really should get head work done aswell or u wont see the gains ur looking for

possibly if u have friends who are fitter and turners try getting them to bore out ur throttle body ,

or maybe even look at a nos system that falls undere the grand category if u wanted

what about pistons from the ralliart to bring the compression up a bit? would that be worth doing?

the pistons arent the expensive bit approx $400 so you would go to 10:1 rather than 9.4:1 as per ralliart. The installation of them would be the expensive bit. Probably go for some sort of programmable management but it may well go over a grand.

Cams, Plenum, Pistons, Throttle Body, ECU, WorkedHead, NOS Injection lol

Sounds expensive, sounds like I have a project for the next 2 years lol

that would cost about 7k all up if done properly, would I see more/equal/less performance gain if i just leave my car the way it is and just supercharge it?

Cams, Plenum, Pistons, Throttle Body, ECU, WorkedHead, NOS Injection lol

Sounds expensive, sounds like I have a project for the next 2 years lol

that would cost about 7k all up if done properly, would I see more/equal/less performance gain if i just leave my car the way it is and just supercharge it?

you'll get far betters gains from putting a supercharger on your car as it is right now....

the only thing that would give your car an edge over a standard ralliart is the NOS.. the rest of it might be a bit better than standard ralliart gear but will not make anywhere near as much difference as a supercharger ...

...........i just read your profile. you've got an auto... absolute first mod for lowering your 1/4 time, do a manual conversion.. forget anything else (including supercharger) till you do that

...........i just read your profile. you've got an auto... absolute first mod for lowering your 1/4 time, do a manual conversion.. forget anything else (including supercharger) till you do that

yeh i know ay, just waiting for the right time, supercharger would be about 2-3 years away if i was to get it anyways lol $$$

Ported Throttle Body by RPW $163.63
http://www.rpw.com.au/shop/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=652&category_id=92&manufacturer_id=0&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=31
K&N Cold Air Induction Kit $450.00
http://www.rpw.com.au/shop/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=647&category_id=92&manufacturer_id=0&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=31

Ported Throttle Body by RPW $163.63
http://www.rpw.com.au/shop/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=652&category_id=92&manufacturer_id=0&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=31
K&N Cold Air Induction Kit $450.00
http://www.rpw.com.au/shop/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=647&category_id=92&manufacturer_id=0&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=31
Cold Air Kit might be a bit of a waste. Judging from my own experience and others like Black Beard, who had this same kit - there's really not a lot of gain. You can get the same sort of gain with a home jobby and save yourself $400. Just my opinion.

Cold Air Kit might be a bit of a waste. Judging from my own experience and others like Black Beard, who had this same kit - there's really not a lot of gain. You can get the same sort of gain with a home jobby and save yourself $400. Just my opinion.

Yeah could be, good thing I just made my own version of short ram cai which cost me only $2++ and the gain is noticeable (based on my own experience).

i wouldnt not recommenbd buying that throttle body either,

u could do the same thing at home with a dremel in 5 minutes , its only flowed not ported

i wouldnt not recommenbd buying that throttle body either,

u could do the same thing at home with a dremel in 5 minutes , its only flowed not ported

yeh i agree. and further to that flowing them aint really increasing any power as has been discussed many times

i'd go for a uni chip, i think that will give you the most kw's for the $$$ and it can be retuned later talking you other future mods into consideration....

otherwise nos will be the only thing that will shave time off the 1/4mile times

yeh i agree. and further to that flowing them aint really increasing any power as has been discussed many times

Good thing I don't have the money to spare:D

My NOS kit cost $465 delivered. Set it up right and its very cheap HP, recomend a dyno shop to make sure mixtures are good etc...

ha just strip out the interior make things lighter, go manual and get LSD, with heavy duty clutch, i think RPW makes a fuel pressure regulator which allows more fuel in when u gun it, but then reuturns to normal fuel consumption during cruzing, around $300 i think.
go to www.rpw.com.au
there is heaps of stuff there

An NA motor needs a high VE and high RPM to make power.

Things like CIA with PVC hoses and flex tube make you feel all fussy inside about doing something to your car, but increase VE by two tenths of frig all, so throw them uot the window. Same with throttle body upgrades and air filters.

BANG FOR BUCK wise, you need to get your car to rev higher. Cam grinds, suitable exhausts and a ECU will honestly give you the most power for dollars.

You can spend 100 here and 100 there on throttle bodys, intakes, pods, CAI or my favorite atm throttle body coolant bypassing :P but they are only going to make such small increases in power if done the way most are done on this forum. I am not arguing that they dont increase power, but to do it properly costs a lot of money for still very little gain.

Where as, you get some extractors and a 2.5" exhaust with a cheap muffler for 600 bucks now days, and it actually does make a difference which blows the 3 days of work and 400 bucs you spent on stupid CAI away.

Do the job right and you end up with more power.

I have a K&N, High flow Cat, Custom Performance Exhaust, Pacemakers on there way, barry's fuel rail kit and iridium spark plugs and ngk leads, what else could i do under $1000 to get more out of my N/A?

Good thing you already have all these things. Some people don't noticed it.
For $1000 why not a Turbo Charade? Just kidding:D

Peace

Good thing you already have all these things. Some people don't noticed it.
For $1000 why not a Turbo Charade? Just kidding:D

Peace
Is the exhaust a full system tho, or just cat back? If it's cat back, he could start with getting a full system. Then I mean for $1k you're kinda limited because you really need to get cams, but then you also need an ECU, which is more than $1k on its own. I think if you're serious about going more N/A from where you are now, you need about $3k-$5k.

An NA motor needs a high VE and high RPM to make power.

Things like CIA with PVC hoses and flex tube make you feel all fussy inside about doing something to your car, but increase VE by two tenths of frig all, so throw them uot the window. Same with throttle body upgrades and air filters.

BANG FOR BUCK wise, you need to get your car to rev higher. Cam grinds, suitable exhausts and a ECU will honestly give you the most power for dollars.

You can spend 100 here and 100 there on throttle bodys, intakes, pods, CAI or my favorite atm throttle body coolant bypassing :P but they are only going to make such small increases in power if done the way most are done on this forum. I am not arguing that they dont increase power, but to do it properly costs a lot of money for still very little gain.

Where as, you get some extractors and a 2.5" exhaust with a cheap muffler for 600 bucks now days, and it actually does make a difference which blows the 3 days of work and 400 bucs you spent on stupid CAI away.

Do the job right and you end up with more power.
Thats the smartest thing ive ever heard him say..:P

Whats above is right on..:)

Is the exhaust a full system tho, or just cat back? If it's cat back, he could start with getting a full system. Then I mean for $1k you're kinda limited because you really need to get cams, but then you also need an ECU, which is more than $1k on its own. I think if you're serious about going more N/A from where you are now, you need about $3k-$5k.

:stoopid:

then you need to pay for installation on top of the cams and ECU tune....another 1500 there, dont forget the cam gears too. My cam and ecu mods set me back close to 3000k for only around 20h.p atw (also an auto) not a huge gain at $150/h.p and thats with all the other mods done previuosly. it not cheap but it is fun and still worthwhile.

I put my vote in for a piggyback ECU, something like an Apexi AFC Neo.

Should only cost around $450 delivered, and fitting and tuning shouldn't be any more than a few hundred. You should see somewhere around 5-10 kW improvement given your other mods, with marked improvements in throttle response and mid-range power.

The danger is to become a kW counter -- it might sound nice to go quoting figures, but the reality of it is how the car goes on the road, not on the rollers. Make sure you focus on improving response, not peak power.

Speaking of all the 'Cams' that are available.... is it worth puttin a set of ralliarts on when an S/C will be fitted ??... Or do I just run with original cam

Speaking of all the 'Cams' that are available.... is it worth puttin a set of ralliarts on when an S/C will be fitted ??... Or do I just run with original cam

Depends on the cam specs, usally NA performance cams run more overlap, not really good in forced applications. I've read on here before that the Ralliart cams are like the sports/vrx ones, just with 10% more lift, if this is the case, then they will be fine.

I put my vote in for a piggyback ECU, something like an Apexi AFC Neo.

Should only cost around $450 delivered, and fitting and tuning shouldn't be any more than a few hundred. You should see somewhere around 5-10 kW improvement given your other mods, with marked improvements in throttle response and mid-range power.

The danger is to become a kW counter -- it might sound nice to go quoting figures, but the reality of it is how the car goes on the road, not on the rollers. Make sure you focus on improving response, not peak power.

I dont disagree with all of this either...(maybe only 5-10h.patw tho)I only retarded my cam gears timing two degrees and not the 6 degrees the ralliarts etc run to gain top H.P figures. I could have got another 5-10H.P doing that but lost low down take off which you need with an auto.

Depends on the cam specs, usally NA performance cams run more overlap, not really good in forced applications. I've read on here before that the Ralliart cams are like the sports/vrx ones, just with 10% more lift, if this is the case, then they will be fine.

Correct there mate.

I have been told the Mitsu's tried several different cams b4 they settled on the Ralliart ones, some were rejected because of poor idle quality but they made 200kw, I want a set of these cams!! Dose anybody know if they had a factory part number?? if so, what is it???

I have been told the Mitsu's tried several different cams b4 they settled on the Ralliart ones, some were rejected because of poor idle quality but they made 200kw, I want a set of these cams!! Dose anybody know if they had a factory part number?? if so, what is it???

Yes john your are right but unfortunately as the cams were only prototype development cams, so they had no factory part numbers. As you know i had a pair of those cams in my car back in 2002.
They only had slightly more lift and a moderate duration increase over the actual production ralliart cams (so still very mild) but MMAL managment didnt like the very "slight" lumpy idle plus they didnt meet idle emission standards so thats why they were rejected.

The cams helped make just on 200kws on the test mule engines but only because they were combined with 10.1 compression etc.

The cams helped make just on 200kws on the test mule engines but only because they were combined with 10.1 compression etc.

Man, imagine if they had've made 200kw... I know it's 20kw up from what the Ralliarts ended up getting, but the 200kw mark gets people talking, its a magic number... especially for an NA V6!

Especially compared to the cars from the same era... the Ecotec never made 200kw, even with a supercharger strapped to it.

Anyhow, I'm drifting. I'd say some new engine management could help you make the most of what you've done already, and it also makes modding in the future more effective. Especially if you do decide to do cams/heads/whatever.

Man, imagine if they had've made 200kw... I know it's 20kw up from what the Ralliarts ended up getting, but the 200kw mark gets people talking, its a magic number... especially for an NA V6!

pfft.. 200kW ATW, now that's an N/A V6 lol

pfft.. 200kW ATW, now that's an N/A V6 lol

:bowrofl:

Your right... gee wizz, that WOULD be impressive!

Haha, your just trying to sell your car buddy.

Don't get me wrong, I'd buy it if I had the money!

:D

:bowrofl:

Your right... gee wizz, that WOULD be impressive!

Haha, your just trying to sell your car buddy.

Don't get me wrong, I'd buy it if I had the money!

:D

Was it that obvious? :bowrofl: Couldn't help myself. lol