hey all, as you can probly guess i have replaced my timing chains!!!!
First of all i wanna thanx Stagma Aka Chris and Magna BUff Aka Ray for the HUGE amount of effort they put in to get the job done. they went over and above... absolute legends!

Job took place march 11 8am start. Car went up on stands, hood removed and then we got stuck into it.
All fluids out, exhaust to cat off, subframe off, rocker cover off and sump off.
alternator off, air con compressor off (biatch bolts) and all firewall connections disconnected.

engine dropped out of bay and the real work started.

Cover plate off, chains and cogs foudn underneath. all cogs and chains removed, oil pump removed and cleaned. Oil pump caused delay due to pin.
cover plate was cleaned, all old gaskets and seals were removed and swapped with fresh replacements.
Next the cogs, tensioners, guides and chains were refitted with excessive use of profanities and smokes (Stagma lol). after much deliberation, swearing, smokes, tantrums and threats the new chains setup was installed. cover plate refitted with new timing seal and bolted back on block.
Rocker was sanded down and now awaiting lighter sanding for chrome finish.
CVs were repacked, rebooted and refitted by Magna buff back to Road worthy condition.
Engine was then relifted into block and mounts rebolted. Sump was cleaned thouroghly and sanded down to fit new gasket.
Sump screwed back on. Subframe and exhaust bolted on, alternator and ac rebolted, firewall connections reconnected.
As the job came to an end we encountered a leak coming from the inlet manifold. rather than a new gasket, the previous owner decided to glue the manifold inplace to stop the leak. thus a new gasket was needed. this took an extra 2 or so hours by buffy the next day (Absolute Champ mate). All Fluids replaced and topped up.
Car was started and ive never heard her so quiet. all i can hear now i a gentle purrr of the exhaust... luvin it!
Barry's fuel rail kit was also installed in this process.

If there is anyone with Car troubles, i highly recommend Magna Buff and/or Stagma for help, they know their shizz, and wont screw you around like some others might (although i did catch them trying to sell my ride on ebay:redface: lol ).

Theres a brief process of the job, it took ALOT longer than expected due to delays but all is done, and i am one happy customer.
never been so oily, greasy, dirty frustrated and tired in my life... but absolutely loved it!!!!!

Once again many thanx to Magna Buff and Stagma for their excellent work and efforts inthis job.
if i missed anything here chris and ray please fill in the gaps:D
Pix to Come!

Questions, comments anything, post up y'all!!

Big 4!!

Good stuff mate!

I really need to get my timing chain done, rattling worse each couple weeks.

well done mate, buff and stagma are champs ai. Always takes longer cos most of the time u fix stuff you dont think about, but its better

good on ya mate go to c people getting in and dirty. pics?

dean

Sounds over the top there's no need to pull the engine out just to replace the timing chain & balance chain unless your doing a overhual.

Sounds over the top there's no need to pull the engine out just to replace the timing chain & balance chain unless your doing a overhual.
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and your method would be?:nuts: :nuts:

Sounds over the top there's no need to pull the engine out just to replace the timing chain & balance chain unless your doing a overhual.
So u can remove a bolt that is longer then the gap between the engine and chassis can you?????? if so i'd really like to know how, this is with out cutting the bolts or any other drastic means and no tilting the engine doesn't work we've been there and failed

So u can remove a bolt that is longer then the gap between the engine and chassis can you?????? if so i'd really like to know how, this is with out cutting the bolts or any other drastic means and no tilting the engine doesn't work we've been there and failed

Well I guess you failed then sorry you were not able to do it. Alot of pro mechanics can do it without removing the engine mine was done like this and my mates as well you just need to know the nack of doing it. Also Mitsubishi Mechanics don't remove the engine do it it either.

Hope you gave the engine a full degrease while it was out. :D

so removing 20 or so bolts a few wires and 2 cv's is hard???

if no other problems occurred during this chain job we could of had it turned around in 5-6 hours, the fact that the last time somebody removed the intake and reused the intake gasket and coated it in glue caused a lot of time wasting to fix the prob, when we do a chain job we also make sure everything else is in spec.

and every engine that we have done chains on the chains haven't been lined up correctly cause when the engine is in you can't see the line up marks on the cogs while its in there.

what did your mates charge you?

guides and chains were refitted with excessive use of profanities and smokes (Stagma lol).

for all that don't know me this is what i do when i enjoy what i'm doing :D

so removing 20 or so bolts a few wires and 2 cv's is hard???

if no other problems occurred during this chain job we could of had it turned around in 5-6 hours, the fact that the last time somebody removed the intake and reused the intake gasket and coated it in glue caused a lot of time wasting to fix the prob, when we do a chain job we also make sure everything else is in spec.

and every engine that we have done chains on the chains haven't been lined up correctly cause when the engine is in you can't see the line up marks on the cogs while its in there.

what did your mates charge you?

Look if that was the only way you knew how then fine and if you must know we went to a pro mechanic and it only cost us around $600 inculding labour and all the parts even parts most other mechincs don't bother to replace for example the timing cover better to get new if it's still the original as the old water pump port is eating at it and will leak later on making you think you have a problem with the head. etc.

no need to get narky if others now a better quicker way around things.

Look if that was the only way you knew how then fine and if you must know we went to a pro mechanic and it only cost us around $600 inculding labour and all the parts even parts most other mechincs don't bother to replace for example the timing cover better to get new if it's still the original as the old water pump port is eating at it and will leak later on making you think you have a problem with the head. etc.

no need to get narky if others now a better quicker way around things.
So why weren't you in there helping out, you know... giving a hand... some help and such? These guys got the job done, and know what they are talking about.

I can only dream of my engine making less noise then my exhaust :cry:

So why weren't you in there helping out, you know... giving a hand... some help and such? These guys got the job done, and know what they are talking about.

Now why would I bother my pro mechanic in his workshop while he's busy doing other clients cars as well atleast mine is under warrenty should the noise come back too early.

You know it's common knowledge that your engine doesn't need to come out the only people that say it does are the ones that want to rip you off or are not aware or failed in there first attempt and don't bother asking for help.

Ok you lot......dont make me flick the lights on and off :P :)

Yes, it can be done without dropping the motor .....big fat hairy deal........ they put it back in, they do a good job and they dont charge the earth. :D

Now kiss and make up :bowrofl: :bowrofl:

Ok you lot......dont make me flick the lights on and off :P :)

Yes, it can be done without dropping the motor .....big fat hairy deal........ they put it back in, they do a good job and they dont charge the earth. :D

Now kiss and make up :bowrofl:

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Well I guess you failed then sorry you were not able to do it. Alot of pro mechanics can do it without removing the engine mine was done like this and my mates as well you just need to know the nack of doing it. Also Mitsubishi Mechanics don't remove the engine do it it either.

Hope you gave the engine a full degrease while it was out. :D

if ya wanna fix somerthing thouroughly the best way is to get right inthere lol
done without taking the engine out or not, our way was thourogh, maybe not as qucik as we liked but very well done. no problems at all afterwards... (except stagma forgot about the air compressor plug lol)

Your pro mechanic did it his way, we did it ours... at least i can say i actually did some work.
a full degrease?? i beleive thats an understatement.. stagma and magna buff will tell u how overboard i went with the degreaser hahah

oki doki heres some pix

Chris .....you smoke ?????lol lol :D

More Pics guys

Looks very clean inside the motor, recent o\haul?

just reading the mutipule posts in this forum suggests

"mitsubishi mechanics and ""pro mechanics" ....dont get it right

both of these titles "mitsubishi mechanics and ""pro mechanics" are redundant the job description today means they are no more than fitter of parts as all parts are sent out for repair or supplied new

the posts reflect half done jobs and faulty workmanship where the customer pays and deliberate damage done to parts for more business or not the parts fitted as per the owners instruction

I have more respect for any owner of a car who takes an intrest in repairing and learning how their car works .....then how much money they were charged

Looks very clean inside the motor, recent o\haul?

nope, took us all by surprise as well

More pics ......:D

Ol Fart likes pics :D

More pics ......:D

Ol Fart likes pics :D

lol sorry mate thats all

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Buffy,

You're one of the last people I know of that needs to explain themselves.

Having watched you rebuild my transmission (one of the few things I haven't worked intimately with during my years as a mechanical and automotive electrical engineer), I'll vouch any time that you're conscientious and know your stuff (and, more importantly, you refuse to work on that which you *don't* know backwards and forwards). The job you did on my gearbox was second to none and the result has been nothing short of spectacular - especially given it's a 17-or-so year old box. Not only that, but you practically refused any form of payment for the job until it was verified that the transmission was, in fact, repaired to my satisfaction!

Well, I'm here to say that I'm *more* than satisfied. The only thing I'm concerned about is that I wasn't in any position to pay you much more than I did.

For the record, there's *no way* I'd do the chains in these particular models without removing the engine first (not a difficult or time-consuming task in itself) - it would be the work of a "cowboy", most likely resulting in a commensurate outcome...

Well, that's my 3c - 2c after tax ;-)

Cheers,
Mattt.

Buffy,

You're one of the last people I know of that needs to explain themselves.

Having watched you rebuild my transmission (one of the few things I haven't worked intimately with during my years as a mechanical and automotive electrical engineer), I'll vouch any time that you're conscientious and know your stuff (and, more importantly, you refuse to work on that which you *don't* know backwards and forwards). The job you did on my gearbox was second to none and the result has been nothing short of spectacular - especially given it's a 17-or-so year old box. Not only that, but you practically refused any form of payment for the job until it was verified that the transmission was, in fact, repaired to my satisfaction!

Well, I'm here to say that I'm *more* than satisfied. The only thing I'm concerned about is that I wasn't in any position to pay you much more than I did.

Well, that's my 3c - 2c after tax ;-)

Cheers,
Mattt.

Buffy is the man I talk to about trannies ......... Ol Fart no like trannies. :cool:

I thort there was just a little japanese guy inside the box with a periscope, a clutch pedal and a shifter. lol lol :D

We replaced a cracked cam shaft bearing cap -the one nearest the timing cog
cracked from the rocker cover stud around to the oil channel (not good if left )
two studs in the rear head replaced

a reminder to all never overtighten the rocker cover bolts
if there is a leak put a new gasket on

all engine mounts/exhaust in good condition
stagma (auto electrical )found the source of electrical short

the cogs and timing guides had worn more than than usuall on this car
both chains had streched about 3/4 of a link more than the new chains

we found a few more problems
if the previous owner had taken more care in mainting the vehicle it would be a great car
other than that his car being seccond hand is in excelent condition

as big 4 cyl is a student on a budget and working part time ---

this work can wait
still to be done
mag wheel stud
power steering boot
front lower arm control bushes
rear engine seal leaking (its a manual )

is it the bushes or the ball joints in the control arm. cause if the ball joints have gone its 180 for joints or if you leave it like i did the joints moving around chew out the control arm and its 760ish inc ball joints.

is it the bushes or the ball joints in the control arm. cause if the ball joints have gone its 180 for joints or if you leave it like i did the joints moving around chew out the control arm and its 760ish inc ball joints.

bushes mate, easy buy.

bushes are on the arm where as the ball joints are in the arm. when i got my ball joints done one side had worn more than the other. so in turn it worn the control arm a little. if it had worn a bit more i would need the whole arm cos the ball joint would be lose in there. so don't wait for the ball joints to wear out your control arm:D

at this time it is the front lower control arm bushes soft and worn

no unusual tyre wear evident or handling problems

ball joints and boots sound and in good condition

the cost of the new lower control arms for the tr is outrageous :rant:

yeah its like 250 each control arm.