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MAGNA
19-01-2004, 08:19 AM
Does anyone have one installed?
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I'll be honest and say I have no idea what it is, but you need one to drag race, and I always past screwtinering, so I image I have one, or don't need one? :?
Mitsiman
19-01-2004, 08:56 AM
Oil catch can - do you mean an oil/air seperator can which catches oil vapours being breathed into the motor.
BOosted' BOoya
19-01-2004, 09:54 AM
do you ahve a pic of one installed, and an engine that doesnt have one installed??
sounds intresting..
MAGNA
19-01-2004, 09:57 AM
Here's a picture of one without the breather on the top (fuel filter normally?)
It's basically, from what I understand, stops oil and oil vapours from entering your throttle body, plenium and so fourth. Mainly needed for drag cars and cars that are get sideway :badgrin:
http://www.vivagarage.com/performance/perf-engine/Viva%201%20010.jpg
This one shows you how full it is with oil. Its easier to empy this thing out than to clean out your throttle body! ;)
Here's an example on a Commodore -- its an example none the less.
http://www.starrperformance.com.au/images/oilbreath.jpg
teK--
19-01-2004, 10:00 AM
I've been thinking about possibly fitting one as I find quite often a collection of oil around the throttle body coming from the PCV vent. You can get pretty cheap ones from Autobarn for around $50.
MAGNA
19-01-2004, 10:03 AM
Heres the GREDDY unit thats $250. Most that I've seen are about $200, so for $50 I'd rather have a brand name.
http://www.upimports.com.au/UPI_Parts/Pics/Engine/Engine_12.jpg
mercury
19-01-2004, 10:47 AM
oil catch can are normally a good thing to do on turo cars and high revving N/A cars, although it doesn't do any harm to any magna, it's rather pointless having one!
i'd rather save the $200 or so and buy a performance mod!
MAGNA
19-01-2004, 10:50 AM
oil catch can are normally a good thing to do on turo cars and high revving N/A cars, although it doesn't do any harm to any magna, it's rather pointless having one!
i'd rather save the $200 or so and buy a performance mod!
I had a few oil issues during saturday nights performance and it's easier to empty a can than clean the throttle body ;)
BOosted' BOoya
19-01-2004, 11:20 AM
what is it connected to??
MAGNA
19-01-2004, 11:23 AM
See that PDF. Not 100% relevant but gives you an idea. http://www.wrx.com.au/htmll/Connecting%20a%20Catch%20Can.pdf
Mitsiman
19-01-2004, 12:33 PM
It is a polished aluminium and we run them on our magna
You woudl hook them on a N/A car between the rocker cover and the PCV breather to eliminate oil vapous going into the intake manifold.
Does make a nice improvement especially if you are sitting at high rpm levels over a long period of time.
BOosted' BOoya
19-01-2004, 01:06 PM
You woudl hook them on a N/A car between the rocker cover and the PCV breather to eliminate oil vapous going into the intake manifold.
Does make a nice improvement especially if you are sitting at high rpm levels over a long period of time.
awww.. cheers dave.. thats what i wanted to know!! maybe i need to get mine, for when im sitting at 150+km/hour for hours on end eh? :oops:
MAGNA
19-01-2004, 01:07 PM
[quote:d9c5fa2208="Mitsiman"]
You woudl hook them on a N/A car between the rocker cover and the PCV breather to eliminate oil vapous going into the intake manifold.
Does make a nice improvement especially if you are sitting at high rpm levels over a long period of time.
awww.. cheers dave.. thats what i wanted to know!! maybe i need to get mine, for when im sitting at 150+km/hour for hours on end eh? :oops:[/quote:d9c5fa2208]
who cares, get one anyway =]
MAGNA
19-01-2004, 01:28 PM
WHOS INTERESTED IN PURCHASING ONE?
CHOICES ARE GREDDY (~$250) or GENERIC (~$100).
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WRITE A POST IF YOU'RE KEEN AND WHAT UNIT YOU WOULD BE INTERESTED IN.
BOosted' BOoya
19-01-2004, 01:31 PM
ill find out what street torque can do.
teK--
19-01-2004, 03:07 PM
I'll go a generic one.
Mitsiman
19-01-2004, 03:55 PM
As per below [edited]
Dj_Bell
19-01-2004, 03:58 PM
how big is the actual can? looks big!
PSI_GTSII
19-01-2004, 04:56 PM
Mitsiman: So the one pictured is $105?
If so thats quite a good buy in itself ;)
I need one for my Skyline, where are you located?
Mitsiman
19-01-2004, 05:07 PM
There are two different sizes depending upon how large you want the hose fittings. These ones use around 10mm diameter hosing but the larger one goes up to around 15mm diameter hosing.
These are around the size of two coffie mugs on top of each other.
We try to stock them all the time but they tend to move fast.
We are located in Osborne Park our website of www.rpw.com.au has exact details of our location.
Tiphareth
19-01-2004, 05:29 PM
hhhmm might grab one dave. where about would this sit in a magna engine bay?
Trav
Dj_Bell
19-01-2004, 06:04 PM
is it hard to install?
Madmagna
19-01-2004, 06:51 PM
Aaron the reason you have oil issues mate is your engine is tired and you need things like valve stem seals.
Mine, even afer a heavy cruise does not Oil up enough to warrent a catch can.
As one other member said, save your money, put the $$ in to a set of valve stem seals and a new PCV valve
MAGNA
19-01-2004, 07:11 PM
Valve stem seals are definately coming up -- still wouldn't mind something shiny in my engine bay -- also just to see how effective they are.
Its also a test more than anything of a first real group by for aussiemagna forum members. If we can make something small like this work, then hopefully we'll have the buying power / experience for more later on -- like expensive brake pads, dba rotors etc and be able to get better discounts.
teK--
19-01-2004, 07:12 PM
It only needs to fit in series with the hose from rear valve cover>throttle body doesn't it? (no PCV valve on that line). The line that goes from front valve cover through the PVC valve and into the crankcase does not need a can on it? I have seen some people hook up both valve cover vents into the can, then the output of the can into both the throttle body and the crank case.
I don't see a problem with dumping oil into the crankcase, only that the PCV valve might become clogged.
Alternatively for the small amounts of oil I usually get, probably around 50ml/2KKms, some people suggested that a clear bodied fuel filter with replaceable internals may be good.
MAGNA
19-01-2004, 07:17 PM
Alternatively for the small amounts of oil I usually get, probably around 50ml/2KKms, some people suggested that a clear bodied fuel filter with replaceable internals may be good.
Yeah - Theres a website on the internet (cant find it again) that had an example of this with pictures. Search google for "fuel filter" "oil catch" or something.
Tiphareth
19-01-2004, 07:30 PM
can anyone post a picture of an engine bay, pointing to where it would be?
Trav
P.S. and can anyone confirm that this would not get dirty or lose its shine during everyday driving. (cos i want it too look good if i go in a show sometime)
MAGNA
19-01-2004, 07:42 PM
can anyone post a picture of an engine bay, pointing to where it would be?
Mount it wherever you want, thats the beauty of this DIY thing :shock:
P.S. and can anyone confirm that this would not get dirty or lose its shine during everyday driving. (cos i want it too look good if i go in a show sometime)
Well.. Its going to get dirty like the rest of the engine bay, just a little bit of polish and she should come up as good as gold (or silver in this case).
Madmagna
19-01-2004, 07:47 PM
Ok, the PCV valve is in the inlet manifold and the hose goes goes from the front rocker cover to the inlet manifold [pcv valve]. It draws blow by gasses and burns them instead of like in the old days just venting to the atmosphere.
In Magna's there is absolutly NO performance gain to a catch can, just the looks i guess. Many catch cans are not legal btw due to fire safety and also EPA regulations.
If your so worried about the breather that goes near the TB, move it furthur down the intake pipe.
Mitsiman
20-01-2004, 08:20 AM
The catch cans I have in my magna and they don't fade or anything, a cloth and some cleaner and they come up fresh every time.
You would on a N/A car fit the tank inside the car on the gearbox side quite easily.
You woudl fit it to the hosing between the PCV valve on the front of the motor and where it hooks onto the intake manifold. The reason being that on a N/A car 90% of the time the PCV is breathing fumes from the rocker cover / engine into the intake manifold and the breather on the other side of the engine hooking onto the intake tube is pulling air from the intake tube into the back of the engine to complete the circuit. It is only on WOT that the PCV closes and that the breather on the intake tube now acts under suction.
ON a Turbo car like mine we have to fit it to the intake tube hose because under pressure it can force oil fumes into the intake tube hence the two diferent ways to hook it up.
As said minor gains would be in economy as you are ensuring clean air is being sucked into the intake manifold when cruising but it would be only minor gains.
mercury
20-01-2004, 10:28 AM
im in for the group buy! generic one though,
coz i get a bit of oil nonsense happeneing so for $100 nothing can hurt!
teK--
23-01-2004, 05:11 PM
So what's happening with this group buy??? *taps foot* Dave what is the shipping cost to Melbourne?
Killbilly
23-01-2004, 05:15 PM
Is there anything special inside them?
Some sort of filter or something? Because they dont look hard to make ourselves...
teK--
23-01-2004, 06:51 PM
Usually filled with an oil-resistant foam or steel wool; only thing with making it yourself is getting neat welds eg around the fittings etc. I had a look today at the $70 Monza cans at Autobarn and they look poorly made; the $99 ones were all sold out but presumably they look very similar to the one Dave's selling.
BOosted' BOoya
23-01-2004, 07:22 PM
Street torque is currently got a lot on order, custom made out of polished alloy.
quite neat. price not confirmed, but between 90 and 110
:D
Mitsiman
23-01-2004, 08:53 PM
Well at this stage what we need to do is get some numbers down. I have got some catch cans coming next week but on tuesday I will work out how many we need for people.
Freight to eastern states I could do for around $12.50.
I will set the price to a flat $95.00 plus the above $12.50 for shipping anywhere in australia.
These are polished aluminium kit (Photos' were shown earlier. I will have them in stock as of Thursday so from this point if you want them hop onto our website, the online order form is setup and fill your details in. Payment is direct bank transfer as this way I can send them out cheaper. COD australia post can also be used but freight charges are a lot higher then.
when you order the kit use the description
Oil - air catch can polished Aluminium
Set the price to $95.00
Send the money and the goods will be on your door the following Tuesday.
What more can I say.
Mitsiman
23-01-2004, 09:14 PM
Forgot to say these will be the kits without a breather filter on the top just as the photo provided. Can't remember if I said this but with the Mitsubishi magna models you can't use that model as the closed air control system on a magna would have a nightmare trying to run teh car properly if it found a vent to the atmosphere.
Those wanting them for other model cars we can bring the vented units in but I would need to check prices on them. Since they are a minority and illegal to fit to vehicles as you are venting fumes to the atmosphere I strongly suggest people stick with the one have already pictured.
As well a thing that most people do not realise is that RPW is an agent for Rocket Industries the largest importer of performance gear in Australia.
Check out the following link
www.rocketindustries.com.au
If you see something you like from there we can import/bring it in and usualy have it in stock within 2 days. With our specials for the next two months as well this is a unique opportunity to get some gear you have wanted for ages.
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