i have a few queries about springs for my car..

i want my car to be low, but i have heard that superlow are a bit to low, can sumtimes scrap on angled driveways (which i have) and going from stock to superlow i will need a sway bar n a few other things...true or untrue?

also another rumour/fact do lovells sit lower than kings?

do you recommend any other springs, i think i will go for the lows in any type, and if i am not happy ill compress or do what ever u do to make em lower...

some people will say lovells are better than kings or the other way round
at the end of the day they are just springs, made from the same stuff just painted different
if you get kings you only can get superlows for the front
people have either the superlow/low combo or just lows all round
lows give a 30mm drop and superlows are 60mm
with lovells you can have superlows all round or lows
lows are a 30mm drop and superlows are 50mm
i have the kings superlow/low combo and the car sits nice
have no scraping problems whatsome ever
just have to be careful or go on a angle
how many k's has your car done?
you might wanna replace the shocks too, KYB shocks are the way to go
strut brace and sway bar are optional but can be put on at a later stage

lovell superlows all round, shouldn't scrape if your carefull, kings are firmer and not as comfortable, although you will get a a tinnnny bit extra drop on the front, which is good. have you got stocky wheels or are you rollin on something bigger?

not so true that there all the same just painted a differnet colour... ive had both lovell and king superlows and the lovell's ride alot better.. kings are a bit on the harsh side

rolling on stockys :cool: and alsooo my car is a 2000 TH and ive just clicked over 90,000kms i think i myt go lovell superlows all round...

not so true that there all the same just painted a differnet colour... ive had both lovell and king superlows and the lovell's ride alot better.. kings are a bit on the harsh side

i have heard lovells are alot softer....does that mean alot more 'give'? im stick between a rock and a MASSIVE hard palce

i have heard lovells are alot softer....does that mean alot more 'give'? im stick between a rock and a MASSIVE hard palce

not at all, the lovells are stiff but the have a better spring rate, kings are just like bent steel rods, the lovells are firm and if you hit somethng they will cushion it more before feeling it "bang", whilst the kings will "bang" along nearly every bump.

i would consider getting a wheel upgrade 1st or in the near future.

yep i agree with the rim upgrade then lowering at the same time
i have kings with konis and the ride is awsome
handles good to :D
i've had whiteline springs and they are pretty harsh to
felt everything with standard shocks
lovells are cheaper than kings too, i think :confused:

ive been following every suspension thread lately, and its so damn confusing what to get, some say get Kings, some say get Lovells (the majority it seems), and a few say get Pedders, some say superlow all round, some saw its too low, some say mix and match.

from what im reading, it seems that the bext option for me (18's with 235), wanting the nice look but not the scrapes, would be Lovell superlow fronts and low rears (i just got quoted $290, supply only for these) and i think thats a bit excessive.

woob i think im gonna steal your combo, i think thats the way ill go too!

all i need now is sum rims :( lol

anyone know if $290 is overpriced for Lovells all round? this is from WA Suspensions, the WA distributor of Lovell

anyone know if $290 is overpriced for Lovells all round? this is from WA Suspensions, the WA distributor of Lovell

yeh philcom will do it for around $245 i believe

anyone know if $290 is overpriced for Lovells all round? this is from WA Suspensions, the WA distributor of Lovell

Give RPW a geez, they'll be able to do it cheaper and are in WA

I've got Lovell superlows on my VRX, and my front bar scrapes a fair bit on angled drive ways. Even being careful. Mind you, gutters, storm drains and drive ways in south australia are more like canyons.

anyone know if $290 is overpriced for Lovells all round? this is from WA Suspensions, the WA distributor of Lovell

I've been quote $220 in Victoria for a set of 4 lovells springs from R&E Auto parts and Bursons Auto parts

Don't forget Dobinson springs too. They've been around just as long, if not longer than kings and lovells. They're very good value for money springs and very well made.

I have Pedders Super Lows all round and i find my mates really steep drive way ok if i go slow. No scrapage. If i go too quick my exhaust will scrape.

Other than that the only thing that worries me is carpark gutters. They **** me when i go too far and my tow hook scrapes.

anyone know if $290 is overpriced for Lovells all round? this is from WA Suspensions, the WA distributor of Lovell


If your in Tassie i can get them for $199 ALL ROUND...:P

beefmagna, GTV Kruz, will 3690 - what width tyres are you guys running??? I am on a Kings 'low' setup and want to go 18's but don't want scraping inside the rear guards and don't want to have to roll rear guard lips to fit tyres.

Oh, and in general I got 4 Kings los installed for $300 in ACT. No scraping of body work but 215/60/16 tyres do rub inner plastic guards on full lock

If your in Tassie i can get them for $199 ALL ROUND...:P

Well! I got my kings for $70 and installed them myself. Beat that! :P

I think mozzaldinho is just doing this because of the good friday cruise coming up, just make sure you dont rush any decision on car mods just because of a cruise. :) :P

beefmagna, GTV Kruz, will 3690 - what width tyres are you guys running??? I am on a Kings 'low' setup and want to go 18's but don't want scraping inside the rear guards and don't want to have to roll rear guard lips to fit tyres.

Oh, and in general I got 4 Kings los installed for $300 in ACT. No scraping of body work but 215/60/16 tyres do rub inner plastic guards on full lock

235/40/R18 wont rub mate... im on 20s and way lower than any superlows and mine dont rub. its all about the tyre profile and the wheels offset.. watch those two things and you can go extremelly low without a drama at all

beefmagna, GTV Kruz, will 3690 - what width tyres are you guys running??? I am on a Kings 'low' setup and want to go 18's but don't want scraping inside the rear guards and don't want to have to roll rear guard lips to fit tyres.

Oh, and in general I got 4 Kings los installed for $300 in ACT. No scraping of body work but 215/60/16 tyres do rub inner plastic guards on full lock


Im on 245/35/r19 dude. No problems with them.

I got King Low's all-round. A lot of people tell me to "go lower" but i'm already scraping sh!t at my work doing deliveries so they can STFU.

IMHO i'd have to say that lovell's probably DO 'look' lower than kings. And yes, the kings are a bit harsher however that's the way i like it :D.

Either way you really can't go wrong.

235/40/R18 wont rub mate... im on 20s and way lower than any superlows and mine dont rub. its all about the tyre profile and the wheels offset.. watch those two things and you can go extremelly low without a drama at all

Thanks Gremlin. I'm going to go with Simmons wheels so getting the offest precise won't be an issue. And I'm thinking Bridgestone SO's or Pirelli PZeros for tyres.


Regarding spirng harshenss, I would agree the King lows are a little harsh around towen matched to my Koni Sport adjustable dampers. But out on the highway it all smooths right out at speed. I also run a Whiteline brace and a camber kit with fronts set at neg 1 degree. Result is that even on std 215's in my 3.0 TF Sport I stayed right up the claker of a VZ Dore coming up a mtn pass the other day. Was he pissed....lol

I noticed that with my pedders, the ride became a little bouncy, only a little. But thats all i noticed compared to the stock springs.

Well! I got my kings for $70 and installed them myself. Beat that! :P

I think mozzaldinho is just doing this because of the good friday cruise coming up, just make sure you dont rush any decision on car mods just because of a cruise. :) :P

haha u got me :redface:

na ive been planning for a while...but im oen of those ppl who takes a LONG time to choose

in my car i have superlows in the back... they are wayyy not low enough... my fronts im not sure what springs they are but they are lower than superlows... im fair sure they dropped the front of mine abour 3 inches maybe 3.5 or so... a lot... and i dont reallllly have a problem with scraping... my driveway is a fairly big angle and i make it up and down no worries... just gotta go on a certain angle... as for ride quality... i love it... i think its way better than the stock was.... it is kinda harsh.. but no where near as bad as ppl make it out to be i dont reckon...although i did new shocks at the same time... if you can afford it i would highly recommend it....

Generally goes in this order

Kings, "harshest", lowers the least out of the three, apparently king lows go about 40mm from stock, king superlows go 60 in the front. Handle the best.

Lovells go lower, "nicer ride", they acheive this by a lower spring rate. This means they won't handle quite as well.

Alternatively you can go with custom springs of a given height/spring rate, or coilovers if you like a bone shattering ride.

I've got king low SPs, i *think* they have a slightly firmer spring rate than king lows. They lowered it exactly 30mm from stock all around, and I don't know why they dont come stock. It's a better ride than a late model commodore, handles a lot better and I haven't scraped once, except for my 60 year old driveway if I charge straight up it. You can still even park the nose over gutters like females do and drive straight up/down kerbs.

I have low King Springs on my TJ wagon.

The King springs lowered the front by 40mm, and the rear by 30mm.
(although they have probably sagged a bit more in the ~5 years since I installed them)

Cheers,
Martin.

Generally goes in this order

Kings, "harshest", lowers the least out of the three, apparently king lows go about 40mm from stock, king superlows go 60 in the front. Handle the best.

Lovells go lower, "nicer ride", they acheive this by a lower spring rate. This means they won't handle quite as well.

Alternatively you can go with custom springs of a given height/spring rate, or coilovers if you like a bone shattering ride.

I've got king low SPs, i *think* they have a slightly firmer spring rate than king lows. They lowered it exactly 30mm from stock all around, and I don't know why they dont come stock. It's a better ride than a late model commodore, handles a lot better and I haven't scraped once, except for my 60 year old driveway if I charge straight up it. You can still even park the nose over gutters like females do and drive straight up/down kerbs.


just to correct you kings go lower by 10mm in superlow than lovells and about same in low. lovells are progresive rate so they extend out under low load and compress stiff under load, giving better wheel to road traction, unlike kings which causes the wheel to bounce of the ground when they hit bumps (nothin major just more tyre slip) king lows handle a better than king superlows as the superlows are meant for appearance not handling.

haha u got me :redface:

na ive been planning for a while...but im oen of those ppl who takes a LONG time to choose

hahahaha :bowrofl:

Good on ya for taking long though, gives time to weigh up your options.

I managed to perfect my ride height only just last night, the back end was a little higher than the front, you can see it at the cruise I guess. :P

just to correct you kings go lower by 10mm in superlow than lovells and about same in low. lovells are progresive rate so they extend out under low load and compress stiff under load, giving better wheel to road traction, unlike kings which causes the wheel to bounce of the ground when they hit bumps (nothin major just more tyre slip) king lows handle a better than king superlows as the superlows are meant for appearance not handling.


are you sure kings superlow are lower than lovells super low? cos i was always told it was the other way around. and that pedders were a lil bit lower again, than the lovells..?

anyone know if $290 is overpriced for Lovells all round? this is from WA Suspensions, the WA distributor of Lovell

im in SA, i had my lovells superlows supplied and fitted for $300

']im in SA, i had my lovells superlows supplied and fitted for $300

thats a very nice price mate.. sweet as

']are you sure kings superlow are lower than lovells super low? cos i was always told it was the other way around. and that pedders were a lil bit lower again, than the lovells..?


yeh sorry my bad, kings drop 40-50mm and lovells drop 45-60mm

maybe we should get a sticky thread on suspension happening because there always threads been started about this type of stuff, starts to get confusing lol

lol thats cool. u made me think that i have been lied to all this time lol

Where can you buy lovells from in Victoria?? I've given up on kings as there's a 2 week wait!

Where can you buy lovells from in Victoria?? I've given up on kings as there's a 2 week wait!

R&E Auto Parts are your best bet. Bursons can also supply.

R&E Clayton - 9540 8893
R&E Glen Waverley - 9560 3400

There are a few other dotted around. Check Lovells Website.

Dobinsons Springs are available from Ebay - buy it now. Get it now.

yeh sorry my bad, kings drop 40-50mm and lovells drop 45-60mm

maybe we should get a sticky thread on suspension happening because there always threads been started about this type of stuff, starts to get confusing lol

Yeah I thought you'd made a boo boo there, thats why people get lovell superlows all around. Not being a smartass - are you sure lovells are progressive rate? I got told by some tosser that kings were and they're obviously not, maybe the same holds for lovells. IIRC you can tell just by looking at the spring since the distance between the coils changes? A pic of lovells might be able to confirm this.

I can vouch for what you mean by kings tending to skip over bumps. I was going round this bend at a generous speed and hit a few bumps in the road which caused the entire car to basically skip about 1ft to the side, scariest thing I've ever experienced. Maybe lovells might have avoided this?

The handling this is why I always post telling people to never mix and match king lows/superlows. They weren't engineered to be used together, so don't do it. It makes your car look like a door stop too.

It'd be good if the table in the magna wiki was completed with eyebrow heights. King low SPs claim a 30mm drop and they give *exactly* that all around, I have the exact same eyebrow heights as maddog, and this is actually as low as you can legally go. King lows claim 50mm, most people only get 40, and king superlows claim 70mm, most people only get a 55mm drop.

If someone wants to start a sticky, my eyebrows heights (distance from center of hub to wheel arch, *without* flares) is exactly 383mm front, 375mm rear. If people can accurately measure their eyebrow heights and post their spring make/part no. it would make an excellent sticky.

just bought lovell superlows all round, $290, ill install em this weekend and get pics up for interested parties. sticking with stock shocks until i can afford KYB

just bought lovell superlows all round, $290, ill install em this weekend and get pics up for interested parties. sticking with stock shocks until i can afford KYB

i have the stock shocks, like them better than my mate on the same springs with kyb's

I got told by some tosser that kings were and they're obviously not
The King Springs catalogue (http://www.kingsprings.com.au/kings_master_catalogue.pdf) indicates the Magna low and super low front springs are NOT progressive.
However, most of the Magna rear springs in the catalogue are progressive.

Hrm...if I had realised that before I bought the King springs ~5 years ago, I might have considered the Lovells.
I've put King springs on a few cars now, and they were progressive on my U12 Pintara and Datsun 1200.

Cheers,
Martin.

The King Springs catalogue (http://www.kingsprings.com.au/kings_master_catalogue.pdf) indicates the Magna low and super low front springs are NOT progressive.
However, most of the Magna rear springs in the catalogue are progressive.

Hrm...if I had realised that before I bought the King springs ~5 years ago, I might have considered the Lovells.
I've put King springs on a few cars now, and they were progressive on my U12 Pintara and Datsun 1200.

Cheers,
Martin.

Hmm appears so. Although my springs are the 30mm ones, aren't progressive either end.

I run custom Lovells with my modded Cressida, and will do the same with my KH Verada. I checked with Bilstein what the bound and rebound rates etc were on the shocks I got, and had a set of custom Lovells made to match. I did not want to lower the cressida at all, so went for a standard height, with 35% stiffness and it worked a treat.. The springs cost me $270 for a set, made to my specs....