Hi all,
Just bought a magna and loving it (TJ 2001 auto) . I'm looking for extra power (esp acceleration/low revs) I got quoted $270 or thereabouts for a cat back 2.5" and I'm going for that in a week or so.

What I'm having trouble with is cams: do I go for the ralliart cams or the stage 1, stage 2 cams from RPW? Havn't really heard anyone talking bout the RPW cams so dont know if they're good? Can anyone help out, prices would be great if anyone knows the goin rate.

Thanks in advance.

Hey Nic, (Accord_Euro)

This guy is chasing info on RPW cams ;)

hahahaha

there are lots you can do prior to cams .... look at those things first ....

Hi all,
Just bought a magna and loving it (TJ 2001 auto) . I'm looking for extra power (esp acceleration/low revs) I got quoted $270 or thereabouts for a cat back 2.5" and I'm going for that in a week or so.

What I'm having trouble with is cams: do I go for the ralliart cams or the stage 1, stage 2 cams from RPW? Havn't really heard anyone talking bout the RPW cams so dont know if they're good? Can anyone help out, prices would be great if anyone knows the goin rate.

Thanks in advance.


Yeh i would also get some headers and a high flow cat converter with that zorst system, also look into air intakes and then once you have all that i would look at cams.

or if u have 7k just get a supercharger!!

You could also look at the 3rd gen faq (http://www.wermspowke.net/wiki/) for some more info.

there are a number of threads that can be searched for regarding this, however having just done this i picked up a little over 20h.p atw with an emanage fitted as well. As i also have an auto I retarded cam timing only 2 degrees as to not lose low down response. Retarding 6 degrees would give a higher output figure but would reduce low down performance.
see printouts here http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44783&highlight=dynoed

I know some people might not like to hear it, but I IMO with an auto you really are wasting your time/money...

if you are serious about more performance, and am willing to spend money on cams etc, do a manual conversion first..there's a world of difference.

I'd much rather a stock manual over an auto with exhaust, piggback stage1 cams etc, it'll probably still beat it for acceleration, and...it's a manual.

I know some people might not like to hear it, but I IMO with an auto you really are wasting your time/money...

if you are serious about more performance, and am willing to spend money on cams etc, do a manual conversion first..there's a world of difference.

I'd much rather a stock manual over an auto with exhaust, piggback stage1 cams etc, it'll probably still beat it for acceleration, and...it's a manual.

I don't doubt the differnce that manuals have as I had a manual TH with catback, but there is no way in hell in is quicker off the mark than mine now....and i have tested that theory as my mate now owns it.

If you are happy to keep it auto, then cams and piggyback with air and exhaust mods is the only way to get it going without even more expensive mods.....Manual conversion would be cheaper for similar results.....which is what i would do if/when my tippy gives way

I don't doubt the differnce that manuals have as I had a manual TH with catback, but there is no way in hell in is quicker off the mark than mine now....and i have tested that theory as my mate now owns it.

If you are happy to keep it auto, then cams and piggyback with air and exhaust mods is the only way to get it going without even more expensive mods.....Manual conversion would be cheaper for similar results.....which is what i would do if/when my tippy gives way
Autos can be quick, you just need a bit more money that's all. And if I was going to go that way with an auto I'd make sure I got an auto transmission cooler of some kind and flush my auto box often.

But yeah, cam work, exhaust/extractors then a tune with a piggyback and trans cooler. Put aside $5-$10k. Then think about things like bigger brakes, LSD etc.

Autos can be quick, you just need a bit more money that's all. And if I was going to go that way with an auto I'd make sure I got an auto transmission cooler of some kind and flush my auto box often.

But yeah, cam work, exhaust/extractors then a tune with a piggyback and trans cooler. Put aside $5-$10k. Then think about things like bigger brakes, LSD etc.



Ive got all that done and it's still not quick, a standard manual will still take it.....but i like it and it's very nice to drive.

I certainly got something to think about now, because I got my licence in my car (auto) I've only got an auto licence. But from what you've told me a manual transmission is a far better building block than an auto transmission which is understandable so I'm gonna organise to get my manual licence. Then hopefully get a manual, or even a tiptronic conversion wouldn't that be just as good....would change gears faster too?

I certainly got something to think about now, because I got my licence in my car (auto) I've only got an auto licence. But from what you've told me a manual transmission is a far better building block than an auto transmission which is understandable so I'm gonna organise to get my manual licence. Then hopefully get a manual, or even a tiptronic conversion wouldn't that be just as good....would change gears faster too?


Converting to a tippy is to much work mate, just stick with the manual conversion or pay some dollars to rebulid your auto tranny with a racing valve body etc!!

good luck!

Ive got all that done and it's still not quick, a standard manual will still take it.....but i like it and it's very nice to drive.
Get a more aggressive cam profile and gears then. With those mods you should be into the mid 14's easily with a truck load more torque than a manual Magna. That said tho, some of these boys with manuals are pulling mid 14's consistantly.

a tiptronic conversion wouldn't that be just as good....would change gears faster too?

no, a tiptronic is box just an auto with a lever that lets you shift the gears, it still suffers from nearly all the disadvantages of auto. A 5 speed tiptronic is a bit quicker than a 4 speed auto because it has more/closer gears.

Having said that, you can still enjoy gains from your mods with an auto, just you need to do alot of work just to even match a well-driven manual. But even then, it's still an auto, which limits your involvement in the driving.

are Any auto magnas into the 14s yet? i'm talking n/a magnas... i dont recall hearing of any at all.. if you want to go quick then forget playing around with an auto magna.. you'll be pumping massive dollors into your car to even equal a standard manual...

even a Supercharged Fwd auto magna wont beat a manual stock ralliart.. thats sayin something

are Any auto magnas into the 14s yet? i'm talking n/a magnas... i dont recall hearing of any at all.. if you want to go quick then forget playing around with an auto magna.. you'll be pumping massive dollors into your car to even equal a standard manual...

even a Supercharged Fwd auto magna wont beat a manual stock ralliart.. thats sayin something

I think there is one 5spd tippy on the forums 1/4 mile list with N/A mods listed

So far as the ralliarts go...well that depends on the driver. I recorded a lower time than a manual ralliart at the same meet, and that's before my cam mods;)

well the fastest NA stock magna is actually a TL manual isnt it ? 14.5?

yes...but not stock. No-ones arguing manuals are quicker than autos stock when driven correctly...the guy asked (edit)about rpw cams

well the fastest NA stock magna is actually a TL manual isnt it ? 14.5?

Pretty sure tzaboy got 14.001 while still n/a in his ralliart.

Pretty sure tzaboy got 14.001 while still n/a in his ralliart.
He said stock. lol

Pretty sure tzaboy got 14.001 while still n/a in his ralliart.

That was me, with my old mildly worked N/A motor also had a trap speed of 169.92Kmh (106.2Mph), was just a pity i missed third gear and that i had to change into fourth gear just before the finish line (due to the trap speed)

Anyway 200Kw's@wheels NA is not impossible (just ask us guys who have done it) BUT you will definately need to open the engine up and do some internal mods as well as head and cam work.
It will cost a fair amount to do unless you have the knowledge and can do most of the work yourself like i do, that will save you a lot of money.

I think there is one 5spd tippy on the forums 1/4 mile list with N/A mods listed

So far as the ralliarts go...well that depends on the driver. I recorded a lower time than a manual ralliart at the same meet, and that's before my cam mods;)

what time did you run and what time did the manual ralliart run??

i ran my totally dead stock ralliart (manual) with the crAppy P6000s that come on the enkies and ran a 14.4 .. so if you did better than that the bloody nice.. otherwise that ralliart driver needs a few pointers...

what time did you run and what time did the manual ralliart run??

i ran my totally dead stock ralliart (manual) with the crAppy P6000s that come on the enkies and ran a 14.4 .. so if you did better than that the bloody nice.. otherwise that ralliart driver needs a few pointers...
Youre good at reading gremlin.. and comprehending..

He said he beat a driver who was in a manual ralliart.

He already mentioned that it depended on the driver..

So you posted a 14.4 - thats a lovely time.. still slow though compared to todays standards of performance sedans...


Callum343: Theres quite alot you can do with your magna.. but it comes down to how fat your pockets are with $$$.. Personally id save your money and do some simple facelift mods and make it into a luxo cruiser.

what time did you run and what time did the manual ralliart run??

i ran my totally dead stock ralliart (manual) with the crAppy P6000s that come on the enkies and ran a 14.4 .. so if you did better than that the bloody nice.. otherwise that ralliart driver needs a few pointers...

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Youre good at reading gremlin.. and comprehending..

He said he beat a driver who was in a manual ralliart.

He already mentioned that it depended on the driver..

So you posted a 14.4 - thats a lovely time.. still slow though compared to todays standards of performance sedans...


Callum343: Theres quite alot you can do with your magna.. but it comes down to how fat your pockets are with $$$.. Personally id save your money and do some simple facelift mods and make it into a luxo cruiser.


yeh well who cares about drivers.. we arent here comparing drivers we are comparing cars.. he was implying his car is faster than a manual ralliart. "it depends on the driver.. i beat a twin turbo manual magna in my dead stock ralliart and that was before my new muffer" .. same thing, makes it sound like i can beat a TT Magna though doesnt it.. its misleading thats all

14.4 in my old car.. i dont own a black manual ralliart anymore...a magna ralliart is not a new car so of course its not up to days standards.. for its time (2002) it was very quick

yeh well who cares about drivers.. we arent here comparing drivers we are comparing cars.. he was implying his car is faster than a manual ralliart. "it depends on the driver.. i beat a twin turbo manual magna in my dead stock ralliart and that was before my new muffer" .. same thing, makes it sound like i can beat a TT Magna though doesnt it.. its misleading thats all

14.4 in my old car.. i dont own a black manual ralliart anymore...a magna ralliart is not a new car so of course its not up to days standards.. for its time (2002) it was very quick

We are really trying to give an indication of what RPW cams can do and comparing that. And I wasn't implying jack S**T. that was in response to you saying a supercharged auto magna can't beat a manual ralliart:nuts:

i'm staying outa this one from here on... cheers

go stage2 cams im goin too