ok guys... i have done some research and searches on here about this conversion... i am seriously contemplating it.. noww.... can anyone explain to me the various technicalities of going awd motor to fwd... is it just as simple as not connecting a rear drive shaft? or what? for those that dont know.. the 6A13TT is the motor out of the vr4 galant that was put into that verada wagon that was posted up here not long ago.. i would appreciate any genuine input as i am quite serious about this project... i dont really wanna hear the usual why bother etc etc.. unless there is a very good reason.. becos from searching on here im fairly sure there are 3 magnas with this motor running and driving in them.. so i know it can be done.. just need to know the nitty gritty of it..
cheers,
Trav..

I am wondering if the Galant/Legnum uses the same auto gearbox out of the AWD and if so would it be possible to pop in a twin turbo motor. If that isnt a stupid enough question I am wondering if it would be possible to use the manual box out of one.

You're reading my thoughts.

The manual AWD gearbox, I'm trying to gain info on the rear drive, but so far not much. There are 2 designes of AWD gearbox's. Drive shaft for the rear going through a transfer of somesort comming off the front driveshaft or an internal design. I'm guessing it's in internal design as they would be stronger so it will have to be opened up and modified by a gearbox specialest, it might be as easy as taking out one of the gears then again it might not.

The engine conversion, as your putting in a smaller engine into your car no brake upgrades will be necessary for the conversion, this is QLD though. You'll probably have to get custom drive shafts made up though as the cars are most likely different width's.

Fuel pump may also need to be upgraded

Apart from that I think it's it really, it's tempting hey, really tempting.

yer mate its reallll tempting haha.. thats why im just tryina get some more info and stuff to help me out with my researching.. that was a good help too thanks man..:D

Well firstly, making an AWD - FWD. now there are 4 shafts coming out of the box, you'd have to weld up 2 holes.. It might be a better bet to get a 6A12/13 FWD atmo gearbox from a normal Galant to use but maybe getting the internals Nitrided.

Sports, are you SURE you don't need a brake upgrade if the engines output is higher even though the cubic capacity is lower? I thought it was if the engine put out more power regardless.

You would definantly need a petrol pump upgrade for the TT as it rev's higher than the SOHC's. You'd also probably need custom mounts and of course, the usual retrofit the VR4 ecu or get a stand alone unit as well as the nightmare of the wiring loom. Another thing to worry about is the length and height of the 6A vs the 6G. A good upgrade could be the 3L V6 Mivec, which would give good gains without the nightmare of $5000 annual comprehensive insurance and a $2000 excess.. Something else you'd want in a FWD TT warrior is an LSD, read Black beard's and Ego's troubles with theirs? Sounds like hell to me... You never know though, you might be able to get the FTO 2.5L Mivec box to fit the TT with a factory mitsu LSD and it be sweet as..

I think it'd be a rather LARGE back pocket excursion though with your 6A TT front cut coming in at around 4 large, not to mention the brakes you're going to WANT to have, not even if you don't have to have them on for regulations. Send a letter to your transport authority to get approval on the principle of the idea, you never know - they may just blow you out of the water before you even call your first importer! That would be a costly mistake to make, buy all your goodies and then find out you can't even start the project.

I'd be hoping to have at LEAST $10k in the back pocket for a deal like this mate. Probably more because of the exotic nature of it.

There was no 2.5lt FTO. I'm sure you dont need brake upgrades when putting a smaller engine into your car. My mate did a conversion on his aussie R31 from an RB30E to an RB20DET, that is 3.0 to 2.0 turbo using the original brakes. Everywhere said it's a good idea to but you dont need to. Know a guy who put the 25DET into his and was told the same thing.

How is there 4 shafts comming out? You have 1 each side for the fronts and a single going to the rear diff the that diff puts the power to the rear wheels.

Nitrided means it's brittle so it'll snap/crack/shatter much easier, so that's not a good idea.

Explain what you mean Nick?

it may be a bolt up proposition from memory, including TT motor to 3rd gen g/box so no driveshaft troubles... and if it bolts up to the 3rd gen fwd gbox it should the awd... thats what we're thinking here arent we

also in qld im not sure when u ever need to upgrade brakes, but i do know if you change them they must be added to a mod plate.

it may be a bolt up proposition from memory, including TT motor to 3rd gen g/box so no driveshaft troubles... and if it bolts up to the 3rd gen fwd gbox it should the awd... thats what we're thinking here arent we

also in qld im not sure when u ever need to upgrade brakes, but i do know if you change them they must be added to a mod plate.


That is what im thinking.
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Mitsubishi-Galant-VR4-V6-Twin-Turbo-Auto-Halfcut_W0QQitemZ180094863819QQcategoryZ10400QQcmd ZViewItem
They go from there upwards obviously depending on condition. I am wondering if there is any info on whether the box is the same? Just as we know the box in the lancer GTA is the same as the AWD magna.

not only power but looks, love the look of that engine, been pondering on the idea for some time now. i want something unique though...

well the vr4 uses the InvecsII, which is what the TJs use isnt it?

well the vr4 uses the InvecsII, which is what the TJs use isnt it?

I was reading that the InvecsII is designed by Porsche. Not sure if theyre in the TJ i would reckon so though

Hopefully Killbilly(pretty please) when he finally gets his Galant may be able to shed some light in terms of engine/gearbox packaging/dimensions. I believe his also has AYC.

I was reading that the InvecsII is designed by Porsche. Not sure if theyre in the TJ i would reckon so though

Yes the TJ's have the Invecs II box.:)

from wat i was told a while back that it wouldnt bolt on to the current gear box..

although TButcher was doin this conversion on his awd diamante

good on ya for wanting to create a tt magna, i've always wanted a 8th gen vr 4 but when i went to buy it they couldn't import them back then so got the verada.

but...

would it be more sensible maybe to sell your car and buy a 8th gen vr-4 galant, has very simular interior to 3rd gen magnas and is lighter yet remains a spacious mid size car, plus you get a AWD format.

and heres my very good reason...

if you plan to tinker with the magna theres no problems, but due to all the engineering and modifications goin into it, maintance would be high, insurance would be extremely high, life of parts can wear quicker as they weren't designed for the application, really it would have to be a weekender type of car, not something you'd wanna drive daily to work etc if you plan to keep it for a long time. its would be rewarding to drive but lots of head****s and costs.

If you don't care for these things then go for it, would be an awesome transformation! :)

*correction to above* VR4's like KB's, are 8th gen (1998-2001)

6th gen vr4's are the 1988-1994 model, which are easily available, and some even Oz stock

7th gen are like my old car, 1994-1997

just to avoid confusion there ;)

(and some of my years may be wrong, cbf googling!)

*correction to above* VR4's like KB's, are 8th gen (1998-2001)

6th gen vr4's are the 1988-1994 model, which are easily available, and some even Oz stock

7th gen are like my old car, 1994-1997

just to avoid confusion there ;)

(and some of my years may be wrong, cbf googling!)

just went back to thread to edit and noticed someone already caught on lol

thanks man

I would agree... for the amount of headaches, pain and HUGE amount of money, it would be far cheaper to sell your car and buy an AWD galant... and it would be quicker and lighter...

Forgive my 4 shaft gearbox line. I meant 3. I also meant 3L for the FTO. Too many numbers flying around and too little time to put thought into what I'm typing.

Nitriding is a good idea as although its brittle, the breaking point for the parts are much higher, its like plastic and glass, sure plastic may not smash but it will get chewed the hell out while glass will stay in the same form until it reaches its breaking point.

So, if he nitrides the box, and its safe working limit is 350hp and his engine is only putting out 300hp, it will be fine, where-as if he doesnt he might be chewing the nuts off his gearbox.

Get a dogbox, that'd be fun! :shock:

I would agree... for the amount of headaches, pain and HUGE amount of money, it would be far cheaper to sell your car and buy an AWD galant... and it would be quicker and lighter...

The only problem is i'm not that keen on owning an import. What happens when you have a small accident or break some interior trim?

. I meant 3L FTO

lol no 3lt FTO's either buddy, they were 1.8 4cyl's or 2.0L V6's

oh forgot to mention, i will be doing most if not all of the labour myself... so yeah cut out the labour costs of it..:D im not really that keen on selling my car to buy an import to be honest... for one i love my car and im not doing it so itll be quicker than anything else, im doing it so i will enjoy it more.... and to me it seems easier than turboing or tting my current motor which has almost 250 thou ks on it anyways... 2nd i have found a few half cuts for reasonable prices floating around, so it seems feasable depending on how hard the aw to fwd thing ends up being, which by the sounds of it would be the only part id have to pay someone to do, work the gearbox etc... but im willing to do that i dont really care....the money isnt realllly that important to me itll just take the project a tad longer to be completed.... i will be using the loom etc from the galant motor also... and nitriding the gbox sounds like something i will look into a lil more etc..
cheers,
Trav..

maybe look to new zealand for the engine and any parts u need. galants and legnums are a popular import over there, and atleast the webpages are in english :)

The only problem is i'm not that keen on owning an import. What happens when you have a small accident or break some interior trim?

You can get basic engine parts brake pads here, anything unique you can get from NZ, just have to be prepared to wait for a few days for postage.

maybe look to new zealand for the engine and any parts u need. galants and legnums are a popular import over there, and atleast the webpages are in english :)

thanks:D i will have a look and see what i can find... thanks heaps for all the input guys keep it coming....:D

Why nitride the gearbox, there designed to handle the 280hp to begin with....

Why nitride the gearbox, there designed to handle the 280hp to begin with....

yeah i was more thinking that for if it bolted to my gearbox... the galant box should handle it obviously...
cheers,
Trav..

maybe look to new zealand for the engine and any parts u need. galants and legnums are a popular import over there, and atleast the webpages are in english :)

ok guys nows the time to point me in the direction of some NZ websites:D please? ive google searched a hell of a lot but thats about the limit of my knowledge when it comes to looking up things on the internet:D hahahaa... thanks guys..

lol no 3lt FTO's either buddy, they were 1.8 4cyl's or 2.0L V6's

Don't nitpick me boy. Input something useful. :cool:

ok guys nows the time to point me in the direction of some NZ websites:D please? ive google searched a hell of a lot but thats about the limit of my knowledge when it comes to looking up things on the internet:D hahahaa... thanks guys..

try a google nz search
http://www.google.co.nz/search?hl=en&q=classifieds&btnG=Google+Search&meta=

ok guys nows the time to point me in the direction of some NZ websites:D please? ive google searched a hell of a lot but thats about the limit of my knowledge when it comes to looking up things on the internet:D hahahaa... thanks guys..

if you want an engine in australia or to import one try tony@justjap.com.au... or similar google just jap auto imports in sydney. They'd have japanese engines already in the country for sure. Try a few recommended places, it's like buying anything. Just look up japanese wreckers in your local phone book