Before I begin, can I just stress that this is NOT a piss take on Magna's.

What started off as watching random AMC member videos on YouTube last night turned into basically just random car sprints and dyno runs. The one thing which really became clear was the fact that there were all these Supra's and Skyline's which punch out 1000hp+. Now is this just a matter of throwing money at the car, or is it just the potential of the car itself. What kind of power could you expect from a standard Magna engine if you had enough money to throw at it, could you expect the 1000hp+? Obviously I'm not about to do this, just curious.

I know the most worked Magna is the RPW TT. Even though it is still possible to do more to it, it is still churning out just shy of 500hp. Obviously that is no easy task and it really is amazing, but is it possible to push it to the 1000hp mark and beyond? Again, just a hypothetical, thought it would make good conversation.

Before I begin, can I just stress that this is NOT a piss take on Magna's.

What started off as watching random AMC member videos on YouTube last night turned into basically just random car sprints and dyno runs. The one thing which really became clear was the fact that there were all these Supra's and Skyline's which punch out 1000hp+. Now is this just a matter of throwing money at the car, or is it just the potential of the car itself. What kind of power could you expect from a standard Magna engine if you had enough money to throw at it, could you expect the 1000hp+? Obviously I'm not about to do this, just curious.

I know the most worked Magna is the RPW TT. Even though it is still possible to do more to it, it is still churning out just shy of 500hp. Obviously that is no easy task and it really is amazing, but is it possible to push it to the 1000hp mark and beyond? Again, just a hypothetical, thought it would make good conversation.



One of the main reasons of Supra's and Skylines running with 1000HP is the availability of performance parts. And the parts that are available for the 6Gs in magnas are more expensive than a similar stage of performance part for a skyline.

Add the fact that these cars come turbo as standard. Magnas do not.

If I added two bosch motorsport pumps, a fuel surge tank and some 750cc injectors onto the TT Magna, I could quite easily bump the boost up to 20 + psi and I beleive 850 - 900hp would not be an issue to create at the flywheel. Probaly may peak the turbo's out whcih are rated to around 750hp.

But being FWD it wsa not something i perceived as being necessary as unfortunatly the car won't go any faster without more traction.

The AWD platform had the potential until it was destroyed by being an auto only.

For Mitsubishi vehicles, I beleive the Galant AWD 2.5 V6 platform is going to be our next big winner. I will let you all know cause I have one on order myself now which will be my next R&D vehicle as we develop new stuff for that vehicle.

Also you comparing cars designed as sports cars to a car designed as a family car.
How much boot space and passengers can the 1000hp cars take?
The 4 door skyline may be an exception but how readily available are they?

I like all the Jap cars and respect to the Skylines, Supras, RX7's and Evos but they aimed at a very different clientele. I am impressed the big family cars can do as well as they do.

as Mitsiman said, FWD is not the right drivetrain to put more than 500+ ponies through. both the Supra and Skyline are RWD platforms, and able to put more power to the ground.

so in reality you could go bigger, but it wouldn't be usable, so what's the point?

cheers
.wook

From reading those posts, I'd guess that a 1000hp Magna would be possible but only with a massive amount of $$$ thrown at it. ...and a bit of insanity, as all you'd end up with is a very expensive Magna which just happens to be a great FWD burnout machine lol
Would probably be cheaper to get the running gear out of a 1000hp Skyline and shove it into a Magna with a decent amount of engineering etc. - but then I surpose it wouldn't be a 'Magna' anymore. :doubt:

But at the end of the day, (me personally), I'd rather a 1000hp 2 or 4dr Skyline than a 1000hp Magna (and it'd be cheaper too).

However, having said that, Magna Modding is a fun. :badgrin:
Even if it's just watching others mod their Magna's.
(It's not all off-the-shelf so the finished product is not dime-a-dozen like so many other cars.)

If only there was a Manual gearbox that would bolt up to the AWD.... a man can dream.

If only there was a Manual gearbox that would bolt up to the AWD.... a man can dream.

apparently there is. from an evo and there was an adaptor plate avalible so it would work. not sure where the person that said this is but yeh ive seen it mentioned before

If only there was a Manual gearbox that would bolt up to the AWD.... a man can dream.
apparently there is. from an evo and there was an adaptor plate avalible so it would work. not sure where the person that said this is but yeh ive seen it mentioned before
makes sense... word is the AWD platform is from the auto EVOs available in Japan (and possibly the US??)... surely it's not that different to the manual, and an EVO manual 'box should pretty much bolt on.

cheers,
.wook

Is there anything stopping an Auto to Manual conversion on an AWD? Again just hypothetical.

EDIT: Never mind, just read the above post.


Also you comparing cars designed as sports cars to a car designed as a family car.
How much boot space and passengers can the 1000hp cars take?
The 4 door skyline may be an exception but how readily available are they?

I like all the Jap cars and respect to the Skylines, Supras, RX7's and Evos but they aimed at a very different clientele. I am impressed the big family cars can do as well as they do.
Actually the WRX and Evo, along with the HSV R8 are basically sports engineered family cars, which led me to thinking whether it was an issue of money or capability with the Magna's.

Which reminds me, does anyone have stats on the Magna rally cars?

the thing is, if your buying a magna because of the power your buying it for the wrong reasons. i bought a magna cause they were cheap, nicest looking family passenger car on the market (in my price range) and the grunt was quite good for money. i had no and never will have intentions of trying to make into a competitive drag machine..thats just silly

the thing is, if your buying a magna because of the power your buying it for the wrong reasons. i bought a magna cause they were cheap, nicest looking family passenger car on the market (in my price range) and the grunt was quite good for money. i had no and never will have intentions of trying to make into a competitive drag machine..thats just silly
I agree they really are great bang for your buck, although this isn't very promising for people who have to deal with the resale value, although 2nd hand buyers are getting them for a steal. When I say Magna, I mostly refer to the VRX/AWD/Ralliart, I mean you don't buy a Executive LS Wagon (my car) for its performance.

if your gonna be pumpin 1000 hp out of a AWD, why not strengthen the auto and get a stall kit, would go faster than a manual. problem is that the 6g was designed conservativly, if your going to go hardcore on it your going to basically need a whole engine rebuild so that its reliable.

whilst a engine like a jz(supra v6) or a uz(lexus v8) can make about 800hp on stock internals, and still be mildly reliable, RB's (skyline) can handle a little bit less before needing forged pistons or something, nothing wrong with magna, its fantastic, just has the wrong drivetrain to be a quick car.

Actually the WRX and Evo, along with the HSV R8 are basically sports engineered family cars, which led me to thinking whether it was an issue of money or capability with the Magna's.
Actually an EVO is just a road going rally car. It was never initially intended as a family car (altho it has ended up being a bit more tamed than the earlier versions and could be perceived as a "family" car) It was intended to thrill, and it does that.

To answer your question, in my opinion, the cars you mentioned (skylines, supras) were specifically designed as sports cars to be sports cars. They're over engineered to the max, I mean a stock engine that can handle 800hp with stock internals (2jz) is incredible. Rb's are much the same. Look at Mitsubishi's go at an engine with the 4g63t. One of the best engines ever made and right up there with the 2jz. One of the strongest engines you'll ever see - how much power can they put out? How much money do you have?

Magnas are designed as family cars. Sure you can get power out of them and there are some quite fast ones on these forums, but they just aren't the same animal. Maybe one day if Mitsubishi design a 380 with AWD, a 6 speed manual with twin turbo and a bullet proof engine and driveline, but that would kill the EVO. :P

Perfermance engines are only maid for production racing. The rules say the engine must be in production to be used, this type of racing is used all around the world. There are rules like having to have the stock block and heads and cc limits, for e.g the several cars on the market with the 2 litre awd platform for WRC racing. My track corolla has a 1.6 liter overhead cam, stock power of 115hp able to get to 200hp just by modifying the top end, 300hp bottom end, 500hp with turbo. Formula One turbo versions of the late 1980's made well over 1,000hp, still running 1.6 liter capacity. The magna engine was not original and was taken from various cars... sigmas, pajaros, GTO's. So there is potential there

Just a question does anyone know if the MIVEC 3.5 pajaro head will bolt onto the magna, would be an interesting swap, they output over 200kw at 3000rpm.

Perfermance engines are only maid for production racing. The rules say the engine must be in production to be used, this type of racing is used all around the world. There are rules like having to have the stock block and heads and cc limits, for e.g the several cars on the market with the 2 litre awd platform for WRC racing. My track corolla has a 1.6 liter overhead cam, stock power of 115hp able to get to 200hp just by modifying the top end, 300hp bottom end, 500hp with turbo. Formula One turbo versions of the late 1980's made well over 1,000hp, still running 1.6 liter capacity. The magna engine was not original and was taken from various cars... sigmas, pajaros, GTO's. So there is potential there

Just a question does anyone know if the MIVEC 3.5 pajaro head will bolt onto the magna, would be an interesting swap, they output over 200kw at 3000rpm.

nope.

nope.

Could you expand a bit further, why.

Could you expand a bit further, why.

I think the answer was "nope I don't know" not "no it wont work".. just how I read it anyway...

Back on topic.. mainly because there are only a handful or less of people that have actually done R&D on the magna engines... namely jasons vrx, street torque, sprintex and rpw, and now raptor. There are probably 50 different asian companies with hundreds of engineers working for them developing parts for nissans etc. They have broken all the engines, found the limits of parts etc.

Also as mitsiman said, those engines were deliberately over engineered from the factory. Skylines are detuned from the factory, exhausts show something like a 30kw gain alone. Magnas were never intended to be raced, therefore weren't over engineered in the first place.

What for?

Why throw that much money into a FWD car when the standard gear box could probably only take 250-300kw max?

And also, anything over 200kw in a FWD is just silly....

If you want to do it, by all means go for it, you'll get respect, but just remember like these guys have all said, its a family car...

It's also FWD so be very careful and choose wisely!!!

Could you expand a bit further, why.


i have a feeling the way the engine mounts is dif to magna. could be wrong. could be defintly wrong :P - but i thought it read this elsewhere

Also you comparing cars designed as sports cars to a car designed as a family car.
How much boot space and passengers can the 1000hp cars take?
The 4 door skyline may be an exception but how readily available are they?

I like all the Jap cars and respect to the Skylines, Supras, RX7's and Evos but they aimed at a very different clientele. I am impressed the big family cars can do as well as they do.


yep wat he sed:stoopid: agree 100% u can't compare a family car with a EVO or skyline etc. like trying compare a BMW to a datsunlol

I think this thread is going a bit skeewif, its not a question of whether or not it would be worth it, its about being a possibility. So going back to the initial question of "can a magna put out 1000hp?". With enough money and R&D yes it is possible.


if your gonna be pumpin 1000 hp out of a AWD, why not strengthen the auto and get a stall kit, would go faster than a manual. problem is that the 6g was designed conservativly, if your going to go hardcore on it your going to basically need a whole engine rebuild so that its reliable.

whilst a engine like a jz(supra v6) or a uz(lexus v8) can make about 800hp on stock internals, and still be mildly reliable, RB's (skyline) can handle a little bit less before needing forged pistons or something, nothing wrong with magna, its fantastic, just has the wrong drivetrain to be a quick car.

Supra is a straight 6pot btw.

I would be very worried indeed about trying to squeeze more than 400hp out of a magna running stock internals.

I have already destroyed a set of pistons when there was a slight lean-out.

these are not particularly sophisticated engines and don't come out the factory to make a lot of rpm like some of the euros or hondas.

But I suppose that makes it more fun if you can manage to wring a few hundred more rpm out of it and shove in more fuel and air whilst doing it.

someone needs to photo chop a magna thats been tubed in the front with big drag tyres:P

I'm going to have to go with a no on this also. I don't think a SOHC V6 from a magna would ever be able to make 1000hp.

Also - this thread makes it sound like there are 1000hp+ cars getting around all over the place. I only know of 2 streetable cars capable of making 1000hp+ in the Brisbane area, and one of those is a competitive pro street drag car which just happens to be street legal when he takes off the parachute.

and the other is my mums white 1980's Saab named "Helga".. really suits I think..

You can't compare such engines as the RB series and JZ's to 6G's just like everyone is saying, they're a different breed, the RB26 was built for racing and the 1/2JZ were toyotas take at it.. Also getting them to make more power is easy because they already are turbocharged which means lower compression, manifolds, all the electronics and stronger blocks designed for this..

Saying this however, if you say "money is no object" of course it can be done, really, and it could be streetable with the right setup too, it won't be as casual as my or anyone else's car but you could manage a lap around the block..

Take for instance the 6G72 TT from the 3000GT which could go into a 2nd gen, loose some weight from the car, few CF panels, one piece front end, different TT setup, perhaps a small turbo for low boost on one side and a massive booya style on the other, throw some giggles gas in there and why not? it would be 'easy'..

The reason no one with Magnas has done it is because they don't attract the same people, you need stupid people, stupid with lots of stupid money, who think in their stupidity that building something like that will make them really cool.. or some crazy workshop that need to get a better name for themselves..

3rd gen FTO mivec TT'd? keep the g'box and get the lsd too, same setup, you'd get some times outa that for sure..

If Mitsuman was talking about the new-age galants, get a 6A13TT 2.5 V6, throw that in a magna, with enough cash anything could work..

I'm going to have to go with a no on this also. I don't think a SOHC V6 from a magna would ever be able to make 1000hp.

Also - this thread makes it sound like there are 1000hp+ cars getting around all over the place. I only know of 2 streetable cars capable of making 1000hp+ in the Brisbane area, and one of those is a competitive pro street drag car which just happens to be street legal when he takes off the parachute.

Off topic... but does anyone know what kind of penalty there is for doing wheelstands on public roads? Apart from the obvious dangerous driving, there aren't really many other categorys it fits lol

Thanks for the responses guys, just to reiterate, I wasn't comparing, I was just curious as to what attributes make a car engine capable of such insane output, and whether or not the same attributes applied to the Magna engine.

Take for instance the 6G72 TT from the 3000GT which could go into a 2nd gen, loose some weight from the car, few CF panels, one piece front end, different TT setup, perhaps a small turbo for low boost on one side and a massive booya style on the other, throw some giggles gas in there and why not? it would be 'easy'..



Since when does body work make an engine more powerful???? Fully sick carbon fiber bonnet vent adds 700hp at the wheels!!

Since when does body work make an engine more powerful???? Fully sick carbon fiber bonnet vent adds 700hp at the wheels!!

Surely you know Rule #1 of modding cars:


The more decals a car has, the more powerful it is. This power increase is doubled if the car in question contains no parts from aforementioned company.

I think some people may be getting confused a little. The aim of this thread is the maximum power output of a Magna, not the fastest 1/4 mile. I personally think that a Magna engine is crazy powerful at stock, but is basically useless when you try to increase the power. Namely just because of the initial torque. If you could drop the torque from the 300nm that it starts at, to maybe 260nm, you'd get more power.

And I brought a Magna for the stance, not the power. Magna's just look awesome from behind.

yeah a magna motor could i guess i have seen a 1000hp+ 300gt/GTO and its being a twin turbo 3L faily simular to the magna motor. but cost would be massive