:badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin:

Do you have any more details of the product, url of the manufacturer, dyno sheet of the car it was on?

I heard they aren't that great...

http://www.sydcruise.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=4081

Thats on the turbo-zet brand ones. They were basically computer fans blowing air into the intake manifold. This one looks a little bigger?

HAHA... this is HELL LOTS BIGGER!

Computer fans blow what? 70 cfm if you're lucky?

I've been doing some reading, there's basically a lot of FAKE stuff out there that is real cheap, like $30 AUD, which is for Boat ventilations.

Okay, here are two competing makers, inline-axial (www.cargodzcc.com) or the centrifugal (eRam @ www.electricsupercharger.com)

and if you want to have a LONG read, and I'm talking about their arguments since July 2002, go here http://www.crxsi.com/resources/classified/ads/2789.htm

You will be able to find a lot of dyno stuff from eRam and their whole site is dedicated to this electric super charger. it is up to you to believe or not to believe.

I would like to see it tested before I trust it, but there are a lot of people out there that just speak without proof.

I have a friend who just ordered an eRam from the US, he will install it in his CRX when the package arrives, I will keep you guys updated as to how well it goes.

THE KEY IS TO REMEMBER, YOU ARE NOT TRYING TO GET HIGH BOOST HERE.... All you are doing is 1 or 2 PSI and in turn it will only give you a few % increase in HP, eRam quotes 5% promised. This way you would not need to spend big bucks on strengthening your internals to take the boost you get from belt driven superchargers or exhuast driven Turbos.

This is a low budget low cost alternative, but you pay for what you get. you pay less and get less... simple as that. Don't all go saying that this is a waste of money because to some people this is a waste of money but to others who can't afford spending $5000+ for a real turbo, this is a intermediate step....

All I can say is, until you see the actual results, don't underestimate such a device, in thoery it works. just not as high gains as the belt or exhaust driven ones.

Good stuff. Thinking about it, if it gets you a 5% power rise and your car puts out 100kw at the wheels, you're only going to get 105kw atw for your $500.

You get that (5kw .. if not more!) from a pod thats $180. It may seem good on face value but I think you're getting screwed over.

Edit: See the picture from the website (below) and its nothing more than a dodgey fan blowing into the air intake. not to mention its US $299 and they want like US $700 for the 3 fan system!

http://www.electricsupercharger.com/site/eRAM%203.0_th.jpg

Imagine if you got a celing fan and a generator and mounted that to your air intake! wow! (j/k!)

...actually :roll:

I never thought POD gave you compression? does it?

can I ask you what a POD does? Your answer may be in the form of reduce the restrictions of your intake and/or allow you to suck more air and/or suck more cold/hot air?

Well, what is doing the sucking? your Engine right?

this is just a device that will help your engine breath better, in the same way that a turbo or supercharger would, again i remind everyone not to directly compare this to a SC or Turbo, because this is very low boost.

If you think a POD will give you 5kw at the wheels, good for you, you must have a really good POD, from what I've seen and heard from ppl, POD will take out the restrictions that the stock paper filter has and in most cases, you won't feel the difference, of-course there would be some increase, but it's in hp not kw. maybe a few, say 5 hp increase by using a POD, and guess what, our 3.0L stock Magna's suck about 300-400 cfm only at 6000RPM. now the Panel filter can handle up to 800 something cfm. think about it, it's about all you need for a stock car.

anyway, going back to topic.

I really like to believe it work, but until it is proven not to work, I like to have an open mind.

As for the being screwed over part, I think that's not very helpful, please try to explain your argument with some sort of fact.

I would like to make a point, a set of Extractors would cost you about the same, what does it give you without tuning? on average i think i am safe to say 5 - 10 hp, and if you go get it dyno tuned, you should be able to get 5 - 10 kW. So how much would Extractors cost? well, Pace makers cost about $380, RPW around $500 mark, and these are only street tuned.

but they all add up in the end.

Lastly, I would like to say, please be patient and wait for my friend to install his eRam and then hopefully we'll see some results.

In the mean time, if people are interested or have taken up sides in this debate, please go to the above links and have some read before you start talking your thoughts, please... this technology is out a long time ago and it does have proof, so I don't see the point of guessing no more.

Cheers

sounds not to bad to me... id probably be interested... keep us posted on your mates crx though

works in theory i spose!!

but before we all hit and run, lets see what happends to this CRX.

:D

Thanks , I am also very interested in seeing what will happen to this CRX.
we will soon find out hey, ^_^. But I believe that it will gain horses.

if anything it will give you more low down power as there isnt much air being forced through the intake. You will get a higher top end power if the fan can suck air through quicker than the speed the air is going through the intake... otherwise you will be losing power. Also there is no way changing your air filter gives 5kw. Be lucky if it gave you 1-2kw

:D
John, you're the Man!
:D


does anyone know whether our Magnas only suck about 350 cfm at WOT doing 6000RPM? if my figures are wrong, please correct me.

Dave should know this.

Electronic chargers and electronicly actuated valve lifting is the way of the future, (for petrol cars anyway). We laugh about Commos using pushrod technology. People will be laughing at us because we still use camshafts.

A pod won't give 5kW. As what's his name said, it removes restrictions. You'll gain a HP or two at the most at the top end on a dyno which is subjective anyway.

...Well, what is doing the sucking? your Engine right?


Yes, the induction stroke.


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...this is just a device that will help your engine breath better...

No it looks like a non-displacing fan not a compressor, so as the pressure goes up to say 1.001 atmospheres it stops pushing.

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...in the same way that a turbo or supercharger would

No! becuase both of those are positive displacement pumps.


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...POD ...stock paper ...of-course there would be some increase, but it's in hp not kw.

What! hp and kW are the same unit, its just the empirical versus the metric system. What is it 1.4 hp = 1 kW?


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...our 3.0L stock Magna's suck about 300-400 cfm only at 6000RPM. now the Panel filter can handle up to 800 something cfm.

yes this is what my dyno-tuner says too, keep the panel in teh air box and wait till you get a piggy-back and they can actually get your motor tuned to all the other mods you can add.


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try to explain your argument with some sort of fact.

Done!


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...a set of Extractors would cost you about the same, what does it give you without tuning? on average i think i am safe to say 5 - 10 hp, and if you go get it dyno tuned, you should be able to get 5 - 10 kW. So how much would Extractors cost? well, Pace makers cost about $380, RPW around $500 mark, and these are only street tuned.

I am sorry to say that I think you will find that 1 psi boost will be sh*& all in comparison to free flowing extractors and the flow on (pun intended) advantages that they will give to all your other mods.


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...but they all add up in the end.

Good point put him on the bottom of the list as a cheap and easy way of adding 1-5 kW once the rest of your motor has been given stage 1 mods.

WhiteDevil wrote:
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...this is just a device that will help your engine breath better...

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No it looks like a non-displacing fan not a compressor, so as the pressure goes up to say 1.001 atmospheres it stops pushing.
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why do you say "it looks like" a non-displacing fan. It doesn't sound like you're sure. why don't you go to their web site and find out the specs, it has been covered in the honda forum before, there will be a compression of at least 1Psi, they way eRam explained it was that during Induction stroke, the manifold will be at 0.5Hg without eRam. with eRam, you will get 1.5Hg, I can't be bothered copying and pasting from their forum and site, so if you are actually interested in this technology, please go read it there.


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No! becuase both of those are positive displacement pumps.

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I said not to compare it.


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What! hp and kW are the same unit, its just the empirical versus the metric system. What is it 1.4 hp = 1 kW?

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did you know how NASA stuffed up one of their moon missions, yes, you guessed it, because of units. And please tell me that you know the difference between 10hp to 10kW. in my reply to the POD, I was refering to the figure that was posted, I simply changed the previously posted unit from kw to hp, that's all.

I never said extractors were bad, I simply opened up another option for the similar price as extractors.

Whitedevil - You seem to be defending a product that you know **** all about. You might have read there website which could be feeding you with absolute shit so you click the 'buy now' button.

If its been proven to yourself that its worthwhile then you can afford to defend it -- but considering you dont even have one, you're pretty conclusive that its the best thing since sliced bread.

You wouldn't happen to be religious would you? (no pun intended to religious people) You seem to believe in things that have not been proven! :badgrin:

Who said it hasn't been proven? How many times have I said that the e-turbo have been around for a long time. I'm simply trying to put facts on the table and share it with you all, but it seems that you would not wants to accept.

I want to see proof my self, but thankfully for my sake, I won't need to spend $400 on it as one of my mate ordered on for his CRX. at no lost to me, I will find out whether it's alright or not...

No, I am not religious. besides, it has nothing to do with religion, it is science.

do you know what this reminds me of, when Galileo told the world that it was round and not flat.

I'm enjoy this debate very much.

anyway, back on the topic, eRam has this system in their race car.

Lastly, I would like to say, don't be afraid of change, things are changing all around us.

And if I'm don't defend it, no one else will. HAHA.. and this thread will be a boring one. :badgrin:

I'm enjoying this argument aswell.

Don't you think if this system was effective and purposeful manufacturers would have cought onto it by now and started integrating it in their own vehicles?

Also - Don't you think that more people in the racing industry would have cought onto it by now aswell? Why aren't they sold locally in Australia?

Hyperthetically - this system may gain a tad of hp, but will proberbly restrict more than it does good, as air has to flow around the spinning blades.

I think Autospeed had an article on these once (or a similar product) and their conclusion was it was an absolute piece of shit -- but that was an "electronic supercharger" not an "electronic turbocharger" as your product is.

Here is the article from Autospeed on the TurboZet. It goes on to say that how many fans like those are required to have any impact on the cfm of air.

http://www.autospeed.com/cms/A_0237/article.html

PS - What if a bit of the plastic falls off and goes into the air intake system then into the engine?

the best thing since sliced bread.


i once had this sweet pommy tourist tell me i was the best thing since sliced bread :lol: :lol:

oh, the memories of being young and stupid!! - but dang! this pom was HOT!! :lol:

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Don't you think if this system was effective and purposeful manufacturers would have cought onto it by now and started integrating it in their own vehicles?
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okay, I can answer this question easily, because I work for a Car Company. Simply put, R&D is too expensive for a car company to invest in such a system, and since most car companies already have either a turbo or S/C setup, they won't need an electronic turbo anyway.
I'm going to try to use an example, Mitsubishi Australia ran out of money developing the Manual Gear box for the AWD, so it's AUTO.

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Also - Don't you think that more people in the racing industry would have cought onto it by now aswell? Why aren't they sold locally in Australia?
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good question, I don't want to guess, but i'll have a guess at it anyway, maybe this technology is not aim for the racing world, eg, if you have so much money, why do you need a cheap turbo? just slap on the biggest and the best, right?

this product was design for low budget bang for your buck type of market.

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Hyperthetically - this system may gain a tad of hp, but will proberbly restrict more than it does good, as air has to flow around the spinning blades.
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This has been covered in the Honda forum and possibly on their web site, I believe eRam has a dyno showing that with the turbine installed but not active had no effect on the engine performance. Please refer to their website for dyno graph.


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I think Autospeed had an article on these once (or a similar product) and their conclusion was it was an absolute piece of shit -- but that was an "electronic supercharger" not an "electronic turbocharger" as your product is.
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I just had a read, it's kinda funny, who in their right mind would get something like that. haha... look at the size of those little fans.
I think in regards to this, all i can say is, Autospeed did not use eRam or Eturbo to do their article on, how unfortunate. There are fake electronic chargers/turbos out there. so becareful, they cost something like $30 USD and it's actually a boat ventilation fan.

Isn't it the same with anything that is easy to copy, people copy it with cheaper and untested parts and just make it look like it'll work or put a respectable company's sticker on it.

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Here is the article from Autospeed on the TurboZet. It goes on to say that how many fans like those are required to have any impact on the cfm of air.
http://www.autospeed.com/cms/A_0237/article.html
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The number of fans autospeed worked out is based on the cfm that those small computer fans were producing, so it totally does not apply to either the eRam or the eTurbo.

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PS - What if a bit of the plastic falls off and goes into the air intake system then into the engine?
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So What if you over heat your turbo in a turbo car? the same thing happens, something has to break over time, so what is the preventive measure for this, a lot of R&D and always over design with a big coefficient of safety. I'm sure Dave understands what I mean.

So, there, I've got an answer for all those, and they are all logical, aren't they? if not, please correct me.

...so this technology is not aimed at the racing world although on the homepage of their webiste they are promoting a porsche racing car?

If no one in australia is importing it quick, you could start an e-business selling these to all the people like you that believe marketing on foreign websites.

Did you know that if you watch too much television and fall for advertising you could be tricked to believe that mcdonlds provides you with all the vitamins and minerals you require for the day -- therefore you don't need to cook at home ever again!

A stupid example, but it goes to show my point.

The turbozet and this follow the same concept albeit the e-ram unit you're promoting uses a slightly larger fan.

I know you're keen to have this product work as your mate just wasted $400 and optimism is high, but start to let yourself down slowly now -- it saves for dissapointment in two weeks time when the product arrives on his doorstep. :badgrin:

In terms of increasing power, any increase in air-flow is going to be better than none. Whether it's worth $450...we will soon find out. I think it would at least increase the bottom end torque by a noticable amount...which is all good 8)

...so this technology is not aimed at the racing world although on the homepage of their webiste they are promoting a porsche racing car?

If no one in australia is importing it quick, you could start an e-business selling these to all the people like you that believe marketing on foreign websites.

Did you know that if you watch too much television and fall for advertising you could be tricked to believe that mcdonlds provides you with all the vitamins and minerals you require for the day -- therefore you don't need to cook at home ever again!

A stupid example, but it goes to show my point.

The turbozet and this follow the same concept albeit the e-ram unit you're promoting uses a slightly larger fan.

I know you're keen to have this product work as your mate just wasted $400 and optimism is high, but start to let yourself down slowly now -- it saves for dissapointment in two weeks time when the product arrives on his doorstep. :badgrin:


thanks for your advice.

but here i go again, it's unfair of you to compare the turbozet directly to the eRam or the e-turbo. you are trying to compare a push bike to a motor bike. If your arguement is that the fan is bigger in the eRam without giving any credit to the internals, then you shouldn't have made that comparison.

do you know what power or current or voltages, (yes i know they are related) that the turbozet uses? try comparing that to the eRam. and you will find that one is like a push bike, powered by human muscles, and the other is like a motorbike, powered by a motor.

I understand that you're trying to tell me to look at the big picture, and not just what they show me. Thank you for that, as I also know TV is bad for you, but again, the correlation is is weak, and the only way to really prove whether of not the eRam or eTurbo will work is by trying it out.

attempt it whether it will be a success or a failure, that's how a scienist would approach this. And for an Engineer, like myself, I like to improve what the scienist invent.

are you all rice biys here or what???
this thing was meant to be used by wanna be turbo cars!
i have seen pics of cars with this shit, and a BOV !!!!

this is pure rice quality crap!!!

open your engine bay with this and i can gurantee you anyone with a normal brain will laugh!!!

please anyone dont do this!!!!

save for a better engine/turbo and have the real thing!!!!

and what is 5 kw gonna change???? when 500 people know you are using a fake/ electric turbo!!!!

think dudes think!!!!!!!

Just quickly.

That's not a GTO.

The DOHC 24v 6G72 3.0l V6 is oriented on the other side of the engine bay http://www.autoshopanastasov.com/images/newcars/mitsubishi/3000gt/motor-01.jpg

The angle of that pic is bad...I'll post another one too

http://www.17bcars.com/Car%20Pages/Mitsubishi/3000gt%20motor%201.jpg

So that isnt the dohc 24v 6G72...and it's an Avenger....Im not sure what motors they had.

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are you all rice biys here or what???
this thing was meant to be used by wanna be turbo cars!
i have seen pics of cars with this shit, and a BOV !!!!
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It is a simple mod that gives you smaller gains compared to a turbo, but at a much cheaper price. if you call things that gives you slight gains 'rice' then what do you call all the little fins on formula 1 cars Or all the Tokyo motor show cars? are they all rice? all small things add up. It is not rice because it gives you some boost, unlike stickers, which are purely cosmetic, like the big Mitsubishi sticker i have which came with the car, that is RICE, i haven't been bothered to take that off because I think it looks good. and I don't really care if ppl call me rice, most of the times, it's a sign of jealousy.

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this is pure rice quality crap!!!
open your engine bay with this and i can gurantee you anyone with a normal brain will laugh!!!
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people can laugh, or cry or what ever, it is just your state of mind. perhaps people laughed at the first turbo car too, well, they aren't laughing now are they?

It's all about accepting new ideas, and that's why we discuss things here.

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please anyone dont do this!!!!
save for a better engine/turbo and have the real thing!!!!
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Save for a better engine/turbo and have the real thing, I agree. if anyone had enough money for the real thing, they wouldn't be reading this right now.
Also, let people make up their own minds, we should not tell them to buy or not to buy. Just facts so they can have details to think about.


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and what is 5 kw gonna change???? when 500 people know you are using a fake/ electric turbo!!!!
think dudes think!!!!!!!
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you'll find it's not just a constant number, it is a % of your base power.
and how is this a fake turbo? put it this way, it is called a Electric turbo for a good reason, it is driven by electricity. It is not fake as it is making boost.

Again, I wish to say, if my arguements are not logical or sound unfair, please correct me.

thanks killbilly, so that's why the file name is avenger. haha. silly me..

but what I wanted to show was just that the manifold between it and our Magna's the same.

Cheers

It is an Avenger.

Just trying to figure out what the motor is though..
Could be a sohc 24v 6G72 or a sohc 24v 6G74, or possibly a dohc 24v 6G74?

The top looks too wide to be a sohc...

Wasnt havin a dig at you or anything mate :D just wanted to clear that up :)

Id be interested to see what the cost of insurance is on your existing vehicle for the above-mentioned electric turbo once installed.. :?:

it all depends, but by the sounds of things, i don't think most insurance company even heard of such a device, so i don't know what they'll say. haha....

with my insurance, they say If my mods are withint 15% in value of the worth of the car, they won't increase my premium. but anymore, my premium goes up

As quoted from Autospeed's review of the TurboZet "device" :

[quote:4db4c6171d]So, how much power does it take to drive an efficient supercharger like a screw type? The most efficient type of supercharger, flowing 265 cfm and developing a boost of 11.5 psi, takes 14.5kW to drive it. Figures aren't readily available for centrifugal blowers, but they'd be of a similar magnitude. So the best blower design (the same type that's used on the Mazda 800) takes about 14,500 watts to drive it on a modest-sized engine. This power is derived from the engine via a belt connecting the blower to the engine's crankshaft.

But let's say that instead of using a belt-drive from the engine, we power the supercharger by using a 12 volt electric motor powered from the car battery. For an electric motor power of 14,500 watts, we'd need a current flow of about 1000 amps (14,500 watts divided by 13.8 volts = 1050 amps). So, to supply the current to drive an electric supercharger having the same airflow output as the most energy-efficient type currently available, it would take 1000 amps. To generate this much electrical power would require at least 8 heavy-duty alternators bolted to the engine. Furthermore, to handle this current, the wires connecting the battery to the supercharger would have to be enormously thick - perhaps brass or copper bars 10mm square would be needed.

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Let's say on a most favorable basis that this eRam generates only 1psi boost; that would mean by the above explanation it would require at least 1kW of mechanical power to run; equates to 70A of power (not withstanding electrical>mechanical losses), and probably requiring an upgraded/extra alternator which robs the engine of power and defeats any advantage gained through boosting the intake pressure.

Enough said...

thoughts that are going through my mind while reading this debate:
* If somebody is getting this done to their car why argue with/against it until the results have been verfied. Someone will be wrong 50/50 chance it is u.

* Not every body can afford to spend $$ on increasing power, I believe I am one of these people that is successfully modding a magna on a budget and remember at this stage i am not far behind manual and booya!

* Believe it or not, new technology for increasing engine power will happen. I wonder what was said about superchargers/turbochargers when they were first designed. I would imagine that had their fair share of debate by experts.

* Time will tell, just wait and see.

I agree with mr_mbquart totally.


in reply to Tek:

none of these eTurbos are running constantly, when they do run, they draw about 70Amp from your Battery, not straight from your Alternator, as your Alternator is not directly driving your car, it's the battery, the job of the alternator is to recharge the battery if it was low on charge, believe it or not, you can take your alternator out of your car and still drive your car until the battery goes flat. Hence, what these eRam and eTurbo will do is drain a bit more charge from the battery and when you aren't using the boost, it switches off and then your alternator will have plenty of time to recharg your battery. So it relies heavily on how good your battery is.

Our Magna Alternators are 110Amps, The higher the amps of your alternator, the more charge it will put back into the battery hence quicker. So in fact, if you want less restrictions on your engine from the alternator, just down grade it to a smaller one, but just make sure you let it charge up your battery longer else you'll run into trouble.

From an electrical point of view, a system with an Battery(source) + Inductor(alternator) + Resister(load) you can easily see that the inductor will not be the direct source of the charge, the charge will always come from the source, and the inductor simply recharges the source.

and simply put, I explained previously that the TurboZet can not be used as a direct comparison to either the eRam nor the eTurbo. you are comparing a bicycle to an motor bike.

please, compare apples to apples.

~end reply~

Just off the side, I've been trying to find out more information from eTurbo, as it seems these two independent companies went head to head with each other in a dyno shoot out on a Buick Regal, 3.8L V6, similar to that of the Holden Ecotec 3.8 engine. infact, it probably is the same engine, since it's GM anyway.

The results were: eRam increased the HP by only 5hp where as the eTurbo increased the HP by 26hp, so we see some differences already from in-line axle design (eturbo) compared to the Centrifugal desgin (eRam).

the price for eRam is $300 USD = ~$429 AUD
the price for eTurbo is $350 USD = ~$500 AUD

it is expensive, no doubt about that, I am probably going to go with extractors first. <-- personal opinion only.

Just heard back from Lee Walker from Speed freakz performances,

the price for single units are as follows, he has accounted for freight



Did I read that correctly ? you are willing to sell for $300 for the 1 unit of eTurbo + $57 shipping, which totals up to $357 for everything, did i read you correctly?



$57.00 , we will sell for $300+ the $57 shipping. damn thats alot to ship!

yes, you read correctly. i just think that it's unfair that people overseas have to pay that much for shipping. if you paid the normall for these + shipping then that would be over $400, not too fair is it? lee walker/street freakz performance (toll free)1-866-337-3250



he mentioned that group buy is possible too. I have no idea what the price is. Sorry, haven't gotten that far with enquiries yet.

oh don't forget, the prices mentioned above is in USD, so $357 is about $457 with our current AUD value of 78.13c US

I think you're counting your chickens before they hatch. Lets just wait and see how much performance your mate gets out of his CRX.

...and even then you should still put this unit on your magna because every car reacts differently to different things.

I am indeed trying to predict.

and yep, I really want to see what gains this CRX is going to get.

oh and sorry, I just feel like being a smart a$$, to count the number of chickens that will hatch, you just need to cook all the eggs, so you know for sure non of them will hatch.

to count the number of chickens that will hatch, you just need to cook all the eggs, so you know for sure non of them will hatch.
none being the keyword - that, occording to the poll above, provides the general feeling amongst the users of aussiemanga that the chances of this thing being of any use and improving power .. none!

does that mean if u have an e-turbo you're going to stick an e-blow of valve on your car? :badgrin:

as someone said earlier, riiiiiiice! :D

They don't use BOVs, they are not constantly on like a conventional turbo or S/C. This has been covered in their web sites or forum...

Well, in terms of the rice factor, I don't think you're going to show anyone what it is anyway. hehe, I know I wouldn't...

yep, the poll does show a lot of people are not willing to buy such a system, and I respect their opinion. In the end, I think i've done my job, which was to discuss this system with you and others and it was quite enjoyable. :D

wouldn't you say I held my ground quite well, haha... ;)
I know in the end, being a democratic country, I've lost the battle. hehe
but fear not, the war isn't over yet... :badgrin: :evil: :badgrin:

Just trying to figure out what the motor is though..
Could be a sohc 24v 6G72 or a sohc 24v 6G74, or possibly a dohc 24v 6G74?

The top looks too wide to be a sohc...

Wasnt havin a dig at you or anything mate :D just wanted to clear that up :)

just did some search on the avenger engine, it is possible that it is 6G73 an 2.5L V6

From my understanding you may actually find that any electrical device running whilst the engine is on, draws its power from the alternator. The battery merely sits in a parallel circuit and also draws power from the alternator (once it's full it will trickle charge). It is only when the alternator's supply voltage is lower than that of the battery that devices start sucking power from the battery.

This is why when you measure the voltage from anywhere in the car when the engine is running you get around 13.8V, but it is not possible for the chemistry of the battery to supply that voltage. Hence I conclude that the power is coming directly from the alternator but using the battery terminals as a common electrical junction.

arh, you're right. :D
The Battery is merely there to supply the power required for cranking/start motor, while the is on the alternator is driving the car.
yes yes, sorry, I was wrong.

hmm. so getting back to the amount of power that those e-turbo will draw, it will then end up being a toss up between whether boost is more beneficial compared to the extra energy required to turn the alternator.

arh... that's a design problem then. we will not be able to guess without numbers.

So will compression of air make up for the extra back emf needed to turn the alternator pulley? I don't know, depends on many variables. :? :-k

are you all rice biys here or what???
this thing was meant to be used by wanna be turbo cars!
i have seen pics of cars with this shit, and a BOV !!!!

this is pure rice quality crap!!!

open your engine bay with this and i can gurantee you anyone with a normal brain will laugh!!!

please anyone dont do this!!!!

save for a better engine/turbo and have the real thing!!!!

and what is 5 kw gonna change???? when 500 people know you are using a fake/ electric turbo!!!!

think dudes think!!!!!!!

No offence to any magna owners (as I obviously am one), but perhaps anyone with a normal brain will laugh at the fact that you claim to be in a "drifting" magna team?

And he posted it on here to have a discussion, not to tell anyone to do it, unlike you it seems.

[quote:1fab377dee="Killbilly"]Just trying to figure out what the motor is though..
Could be a sohc 24v 6G72 or a sohc 24v 6G74, or possibly a dohc 24v 6G74?

The top looks too wide to be a sohc...

Wasnt havin a dig at you or anything mate :D just wanted to clear that up :)

just did some search on the avenger engine, it is possible that it is 6G73 an 2.5L V6[/quote:1fab377dee]

Ahhh that makes much more sense now :D

hey Mercury - where did u get your avatar from?

just curious as there is a guy on the US diamante forums that has exactly the same one as you. Judging by the amount of posts he has Id say he has had it for a while, was just wondering if it was you at all?

cheers

]No offence to any magna owners (as I obviously am one), but perhaps anyone with a normal brain will laugh at the fact that you claim to be in a "drifting" magna team?

And he posted it on here to have a discussion, not to tell anyone to do it, unlike you it seems.
Have you ever tried to drift your front wheel drive? Sure, you have to use the handbrake to kick it out but who gives a shit?

I guess you didnt see that couple of minute mpeg that was posted on here of that civic in a drift comp and doing a nice drift.

It was most proberbly me you're talking about, I'll promote anyone to drift their cars, as long as they take it slowly the first few times and learn what their car is going to do .. I didnt have people laugh at me the other wekeend (including the local commodre cintingent) rather cheer.

So - Maybe you should crawl out of you're hole and get out into the real world?

does anyone in Melbourne know any good dyno specialists? and how much on average do they cost? is it worth actually getting it dynoed? or would a G-tech do for an approximation?

[quote:3faa0a1fc7]Have you ever tried to drift your front wheel drive? Sure, you have to use the handbrake to kick it out but who gives a shit?[/quote:3faa0a1fc7]

Yes of course I have. Everyone has. But in my opinion its still not really drifting is it? you can get it sideways by forcing the rear brakes to lock up but you cant power out from the real wheels etc etc.


[quote:3faa0a1fc7]It was most proberbly me you're talking about,[/quote:3faa0a1fc7]

Why do you figure that? I was talking about the guy with "Team drifting magna" in his avatar.

[quote:3faa0a1fc7] I'll promote anyone to drift their cars, as long as they take it slowly the first few times and learn what their car is going to do .. [/quote:3faa0a1fc7]

Good for you. I never said not to.


[quote:3faa0a1fc7]I didnt have people laugh at me the other wekeend (including the local commodre cintingent) rather cheer.[/quote:3faa0a1fc7]

I am very pleased for you.

[quote:3faa0a1fc7]So - Maybe you should crawl out of you're hole and get out into the real world?[/quote:3faa0a1fc7]

Not only is this reasonably overboard considering my post wasn't even directed at you, it also makes no sense. How does me standing up for this guy trying to show everyone a new idea and not considering front wheel drive handbraking activities to be real drifting have ANYTHING to do with the "REAL" world? for all you know I could be the queen of england, so who are you to tell me to get out into the real world?

So - Maybe YOU should find out who the posts are directed at before YOU go and jump the gun and decide that anyone who doesn't agree with YOU is living in a hole.

Who gives a shit, drive your car but know your limits, have fun and keep an eye out for the pole-leece.

I dont see why it would'nt work, as it says it only comes on at full throttle and is not on all the time, it draws 50amps and pushes out 750cfm.

Albeit it would only be a small increase in power.

The video was funny, he held it upright and it started to take off.

Yeah, HAHA. that video was funny stuff...

for "heydude"; I've found out from eTurbo that the eRam is using a RC plane motor. and eTurbo (inline axle driven) claims to be able to pump more cfm for only 17amps. I have no fricking idea how, and this was what eRam was asking eTurbo as well, but eTurbo wouldn't tell. So, some of the stuff about this is scary.. But eTurbo has dyno proof that they increased a 1994 Buick Regal (3.1L V6 or 3.8L V6) by 26Hp.

haha... but soon i will be able to test the eRam in my car, so I'll let you guys know how I go.

Cheers.

P.S before anyone starts their flame thrower about how much money I wasted. well, i didn't waste any. It isn't mine to keep, haha... so there. :lol:

eRam has arrived. ;) ;) ;)

for all the effort of putting this plastic work of art to gaina minimal 1-5 psi,

the same effect can be acheived at 150km/h through your ram pod, to get 1 psi!!!!


now smarter people would rather have a supercharger setup, that doesn't cost much on the battery, provides a minimum of 5 psi, and will a minimal amount more than this plastic toy,

of course i am talking old toyota superchargers!!!

IMHO this thing is just a joke, 1-5 kw gain can be achieved in so many other ways that will be helpful for other more sphisticated mods. i really can't think how people can pu that thing in their car!!!!

to my eyes this thing looks like it's made in thailand for all the wanna be turbo boys!!!!

believe it or not i have people asked me if i could put a BOV on an auto(whether or not it was turbocharged), and i guess this product if designed for them!!!!

i also have to admit that a magna is not a performance car, and hence this product might look appealing, but remember when you drag you go in various classes N/A, Forced and all that !!! what will that thing class you as????

remember going fast cost money.
and 1-5 psi is never gonna make me wanna buy this toy!!!!

][quote:8b01c46617="mercury"]are you all rice biys here or what???
this thing was meant to be used by wanna be turbo cars!
i have seen pics of cars with this shit, and a BOV !!!!

this is pure rice quality crap!!!

open your engine bay with this and i can gurantee you anyone with a normal brain will laugh!!!

please anyone dont do this!!!!

save for a better engine/turbo and have the real thing!!!!

and what is 5 kw gonna change???? when 500 people know you are using a fake/ electric turbo!!!!

think dudes think!!!!!!!

No offence to any magna owners (as I obviously am one), but perhaps anyone with a normal brain will laugh at the fact that you claim to be in a "drifting" magna team?

And he posted it on here to have a discussion, not to tell anyone to do it, unlike you it seems.[/quote:8b01c46617]

yo dude
first comment for the drifting magna!

if you came for the VIC magna cruise you would understand, and the drifting is just a mere joke!!!! BTW ever seen a magna drifting with front wheels only????

keep you stupid comments to urself buddy!!!!

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and the avatar i stole was from another forum which i can't recall!
and because the other guy got more posts than me, and been there,
well dude SUE MY ****ING ASS!!!!!

to prove you wrong, i am a regular memeber on Fast Fours forum, and KillBillly (if you can remember) can vouch for me!!!!

and to all the guys thinking of buying this toy,

well done and hope you can beat falcodores a bit faster,

people out there still look at magnas as boats!!!! and that's the reality of this world, it is boat!!!

whitedevil.. do you have a verdict yet??>

i'm still at work :lol:

when I go over to my mates house tonight, I'll see if I can give it a try.

However, the result will only be subjective, because I will not have any way of measuring the change. haha... sorry.

I wonder why topics like this just turn into a pile of opinionated bullshit most of the time? Anyway I'm staying out.

haha... I was bored, needed something to do...

to prove you wrong, i am a regular memeber on Fast Fours forum, and KillBillly (if you can remember) can vouch for me!!!!

Thought I remembered your nick from somewhere! lol

I dont go to that forum anymore tho..it shits me hahaha!

ttr-ffic:
and the avatar i stole was from another forum which i can't recall!
and because the other guy got more posts than me, and been there,
well dude SUE MY F***king ASS!!!!!

to prove you wrong, i am a regular memeber on Fast Fours forum, and KillBillly (if you can remember) can vouch for me!!!!

you dont have to prove anything to me mate, i was jusk asking you a question. 8)

Well if it makes boost then it's gunna make power.

Engines just an air pump with a combustion process in the middle.

Shame your spending that much money and not dynoing before and after.

This post was a legitimate question that has turned in to a flinging match.

I have locked this thread for now as I do not feel it can go any further. I have simply not got the time to edit each post however in future offending posts will simply be deleted.

Please respect others opinion, if you disagree that is fine but try and be diplomatic about it. Flaming is not getting anyone anywhere and will jsut turn this forum into the sort of forum most of us come here to escape.