For all of those who want to do the Twin Pot brake conversion.....

What you will need
1. Twin pot calipers from a 2nd gen
2. Either Machined rotors or new ones (Preferred)
3. New pads for the twin pots
4. New brake hoses (will cover this later)
5. Some basic knowledge of what you are doing
6. Basic tools and brake bleeding bottle (will also cover this)

Pre Step
1. Get ABS to make you some new brake hoses (ABS are the only company who can make ADR compliant hoses) You will need the fitting off the ABS caliper end and on the other end the fitting of your non abs hose.
2. To make a bleeding bottle, use a 600ml PET bottle, drill a hole in the lid and feed through some vacuum hose to the bottom of the bottle. Drill a breather hole (1/8th) near top. Grab an old coat hanger, cut it up and wrap around top of bottle to make a hanger for the bottle.

Steps
1. Raise front of vehicle on stands or hoist
2. Remove wheels
3. Remove brake hoses (drain fluid as does not hurt to replace fluid)
4. Remove caliper bracket from hub, lift entire assy away
5. Remove old rotor
6. Fit new rotor, make sure that hub is spotless (need to make sure step followed so as not to have rotor off center)
7. Remove new caliper from bracket, push both pistons in(don't squirt yourself in the face with fluid), clean slider pins and lube with rubber grease.
8. Fit bracket and torque
9. Use anti squeal on back of pads, little amount of graphite grease on the contact surface of pad (where sits on bracket)
10. fit pads
11. Fit caliper to bracket
12. Fit hoses

Now follow same for the other side.

To bleed brakes, make sure reservoir is full, attach bottle to one side, crack bleed nipple and slowly pump brake pedal. Keep an eye on fluid level, you will notice that the bottle fills and the hose will stop air back flowing into the brake system.

Once you have regained a good pedal, re fit wheels, torque nuts (not rattle gun) and then go for a drive to bed in brakes

I always recommend you test them in the driveway to ensure all is working well.

I will leave this thread open for questions however please ensure that your questions are relevant to the thread or they will be deleted

why are new hoses required? why are abs only to do adr compliant

1. The fitting is different on the ABS models to that of the Non abs models. The fitting looks similar however the non abs model use a washer to seal where as the abs model uses a taper on the fitting to seal.

2. ABS are the only company who are legally allowed and certified to make custom hoses, if you go to ENZED and PIRTECH they will tell you the same.

And now for some photos of installing these fellas to your Second Gen.

Keep in mind I painted mine, so everything is blue, when you get yours, they won't look anywhere near as cool as mine.

A few questions that I needed answers for before I started:

Do I need anything else for putting these V6 calipers onto my 4 cylinder?
No, all you need is new V6 rotors, the non ABS type, your hub won't support the ABS variant. The caliper itself bolts straight on to the existing bracket behind the hub.

Will these new fangled brakes have enough clearance under a stock 15" mag wheel?
Yes, but not much. For 14" stock steel rims, the answer is no.

Onto the photos:

A size comparison, KS verada ABS (twin piston) calipers and rotors vs TR 4 cylinder calipers and rotors.

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g35/z0mgluke/28062007643.jpg

Pulling off the old calipers

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g35/z0mgluke/28062007641.jpg

Calipers off, installing new ones.

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g35/z0mgluke/28062007644.jpg

The pain and suffering of installing the new ones, ensure that you place your pads in the caliper before putting onto rotor... it's painful.

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g35/z0mgluke/28062007646.jpg

Custom brake line onto the new caliper.

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g35/z0mgluke/28062007649.jpg

Connecting brake lines.

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g35/z0mgluke/28062007650.jpg

Installed caliper and rotor (excuse the overspray :()

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g35/z0mgluke/28062007651.jpg

Caliper and rotor under a 15 inch mag wheel.

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g35/z0mgluke/28062007652.jpg

A big thanks to Millert85 our North Queensland Rep and his brother for taking time out of cutting holes in a perfectly good Supra to put these on my car for me!

Oh and remember, if you have a 4 cylinder, you'll need to bend the **** out of the dust shield behind the rotor, it's rather small and rubs like crazy if you leave it... Trust me, there's nothing like the humored look of an XR6 driver as he hears the scraping coming from your wheel.

They look very tidy Lucifer, I'm sure I've seen them somewhere before though lol

Another point that may be worth remembering is it's a good idea to overhaul the calipers if they're worn out or have done a fair bit of work. It's a bit tricky to do if you haven't done it before, but it's worth doing if the old seals and boots are just about gone.

If you do decide to rebuild the calipers, be aware that Mitsubishi no longer offers a seal kit for the 2nd Gen twin piston calipers, although the seal kit from a 3rd Gen AWD SEDAN will fit. It must be the sedan kit, as the wagon caliper has a larger piston (49mm for the wagon vs. 42.1mm for the sedan).

Guys, please leave the general issues for brakes out of the sticky, this is a how to not a FAQ.

Lucifer, thanks for the pics, hope you did clean your hubs before you put the rotors on :)

As for the rotors, the ABS will fit, there is no difference, the hub ring for the ABS is fitted to the hub not to the rotor like in a lot of cases.

is it hard to re build a set of the abs calipers, because theres a set on a tr elite thats been there for a while??

is it hard to re build a set of the abs calipers, because theres a set on a tr elite thats been there for a while??

It's really quite easy if you've got a manual to follow. The calipers consist of relatively few parts, so it's not a daunting job.

It's really quite easy if you've got a manual to follow. The calipers consist of relatively few parts, so it's not a daunting job.

cheers for that, i may have to give it a go any one know of the price for the rebuild kit?

I picked mine up from a brake and clutch shop, $76/kit, and I believe Mitsubishi are around the $88 mark. That's for one kit though, and you'll need one kit per caliper.

I bought 2 sets for twin pot calipers for KR/KS from Mitsu spares, cost less than $70 for both kits. These were the genuine item, made in Japan, not cheapo chinese crap!
Good luck trying to get a set, as I'm pretty sure there's sweet f.a left in the country.

PART NUMBER FOR KIT: MB699456

these howto's are getting better :D

Check out the Magna V6 Advance models at the scrappers. They came with ABS as standard, alongwith the twin-piston front calipers and rear vented disc setup.

Should be able to get kits from ABS for around the 25 each side, they only contain the "O" ring and boot and pin seal.

When you assemble use either brake fluid or a SMALL amont of rubber grease, put on the dust seal first, slide the piston over the seal and then gently push home. Is a knack to it but once you have done one the rest are easy.

Rarely will you need to do more than clean, if they need a hone you will need to send them off for a re sleve and new pistons, a second hand set is far cheaper. The Twin pot units rarely need rebuild

Forgive me if this is not appropriate, but REPCO have an MPEG of a how to for upgrading your brakes. Even though its not a Magna, it gives someone who's is new to this job an insight of what is required... Use it as a training exercise...

Go to the following web page...

and then click on "Repco Brake Install (mpeg)"

http://www.repco.com.au/CA2571B70016E7AE/page/Listing-Homepage+Right+Articles-Repco+Performance+Guide?OpenDocument&1=0-Home~&2=~&3=~&REFUNID=~

I hope you find this helpful and valuable to this thread.

Apologies if this if off track.

Roughly how much would it cost for new rotors, pads and hoses? Am seriouly considering getting these for safety reasons (and cool factor :cool:) but also don't want to spend too much.

Apologies if this if off track.

Roughly how much would it cost for new rotors, pads and hoses? Am seriouly considering getting these for safety reasons (and cool factor :cool:) but also don't want to spend too much.

Jay, Machine your KS rotors, Wont cost you more then $30 for that.
Pads, about $50, and hoses, I paid $33 Each for mine which I ordered for a KS verada.
So a little more then $130ish, and make sure you have a quality pipe spanner :P I learnt the hard way lol

You should not use the KS hoses, they are not matched correctly at the top end where they connect to the car.

ABS make hoses that are ADR approved.

You should not use the KS hoses, they are not matched correctly at the top end where they connect to the car.

ABS make hoses that are ADR approved.

Hmm...
Advice taken, but brakes are fine so far and went in no worries.
So you need the NON ABS Fitting into the top and the ABS fitting down the bottom.

just about to mod a TS manual 2.6 EFI from single to twin pistons on the front

should one fit the veradas brake booster or

does the std factory booster on the TS do the job

just about to mod a TS manual 2.6 EFI from single to twin pistons on the front

should one fit the veradas brake booster or

does the std factory booster on the TS do the job
Original did the job for my old 2.6L EFI TR.

ok thanks for the feedback :cool:

Same booster.

Also need to change backing plates and the rotors.

WOuld also STRONGLY suggest you change over the lower control arms and the rear bushes with the V6 ones as well as they are a far better design

Just thought id mention i got my twin pot fronts and rears to suit the vented discs.
I picked them up for the princely sum of $10 per caliper. I didnt take the discs (although i can go get them) because i plan to use DBA slotted items. I wont be running any dust covers (i know this isnt ideal) but it looks tops with big open spoke mags. Ive read the thread, but is there anything to look out for? The hard metal lines are different from the ABS TS magna i got these off, compared to the non-abs KR Verada they are going on?

I can understand that they(twin piston callipers) would make a big difference when fitted to a 4 cyl. car, but how significant is the difference by fittng them to say a KR or TS 6?? My local Mitsi. wrecker says marginal at best.

Large difference as although you have the 276mm rotor you still have only single pot calipers and smaller pads, these will make a difference especially when fitted with good pads on a spirited run