Has anyone had a chance to try these out yet or know anyone who has ....... http://www.bendix.com.au/Text/1174259130988-4548/pC/1132281613041-6043/

They look the goods.

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It's a tall ask of a pad, wonder how noisy they are? Or how expensive? I’ve rung up to get a price on them, for Ralliart and EVO size, to compare price…no word back yet…

The Pagid RS4-2 pads I had were supposed to be fast street and track pads, worked well but squealed like a bitch on the road! And nowhere near as good as the Ferodo DS3000 pads on the track.

I’ve heard good things about the Ferodo DS2500 on the EVOs as a crossover pad. I think Chisholm has a set on his magna (on twin spot callipers?).

Interesting that they say nothing about the compound.

They look like metal kings, and i bet they are noisey as hell and don't work when cold!

I think Chisholm has a set on his magna (on twin spot callipers?).

Sure do (for both), and I have nothing but praise to give. Done 2 trackdays with them, no noticable fade on the track, no warping of rotors either (DBA4000). Once warmed pull up, they stop hard at any speed, the harder you push the harder you stop (until ABS kicks in). Very confidence-inspiring, easy to modulate braking force etc.

In comparison, I found EBC greens bite quite hard initially, but when you lean harder on them there's not much more there. Oh and they literally crumbled after a track day, cracks everywhere, with chunks of pad material missing.

TBH this sounds too good to be true, street and track pads by definition require different compounds to do their respective jobs well. Sounds like marketing BS to me. But hey, It would be nice to see something that can compete with DS2500 in the market for "streetable" track pads, although there are some very expensive jap pads that are supposedly quite good.

With the DS2500 for city driving, they don't bite as hard as street pads, the brake pedal feels a bit "dead"...you have to push the pedal harder to do the same job. Having said that, I'm used to it now, it doesn't bother me..they still pull up fine, just dont bight as hard for the same pedal pressure at low speeds when cold. But they definantely work cold if you stomp on them, no problem instantly triggering ABS @ 100+km/hr. Oh yeah, no squeal at all around town.

As far as track-able pads go, apparently the DS2500 are very well-mannered on the street, so I'd hate to think what DS3000 or similar pads are like. But supposedly the DS2500 performs on the track as well as most of the more track-focused (i.e unstreetable) pads.

hehe, this post is reading like a DS2500 add :p

Chisholm, did you find the car reaches ABS allot sooner (too soon) with the twin pots?

I have only converted the front callipers, and find that the car being calibrated for the standard brakes, reaches the ABS point too quickly (obvious as there is much more stopping power).

Chisholm, did you find the car reaches ABS allot sooner (too soon) with the twin pots?

I have only converted the front callipers, and find that the car being calibrated for the standard brakes, reaches the ABS point too quickly (obvious as there is much more stopping power).


there is no such thing as an "abs point" ... abs cuts in when the wheel locks up (or is about to).. the point at which abs cuts in will change dramatically depending on traction etc (wet weather compared to dry and so on)...

your probably finding the abs cuts in sooner as the twin pots are able to nearly lock the wheels up alot easier.. the car would be braking alot better though.. (ie stopping distance would have been reduced over standard single pots)

there is no such thing as an "abs point"

I didn't mean a fixed point in witch ABS kick in, purhaps bad wording on my part. I was just trying to describe the situation when the ABS unit is working.


... abs cuts in when the wheel locks up (or is about to).. the point at which abs cuts in will change dramatically depending on traction etc (wet weather compared to dry and so on)...

Yes thats correct. :D



your probably finding the abs cuts in sooner as the twin pots are able to nearly lock the wheels up alot easier.


Not probably, but definatlly due to the increase in brake performance. But I again didn't word previouse question properlly. What I ment to say was that, due to the ABS units calibration for the standard brakes performance, it is now not as well suited to the twin pots. I found it will pulse longer then needed even when you reduce the brake pressure (allot). Maybe it's just in my case, I don't know. Hence why I asked. I know that in sports applications (sorts cars etc..) the ABS units are valved differenttly to compensate for the better brakes.

What I ment to say was that, due to the ABS units calibration for the standard brakes performance, it is now not as well suited to the twin pots. I found it will pulse longer then needed even when you reduce the brake pressure (allot). Maybe it's just in my case, I don't know. Hence why I asked. I know that in sports applications (sorts cars etc..) the ABS units are valved differenttly to compensate for the better brakes.

I think you'll find it's easier (and much cheaper) to adjust your braking style than to re-engineer the standard braking setup. I find I use my brakes less and less in every day driving after I upgraded them. a small amount of pressure gives me the same braking force as full pedal used to.

cheers,
.wook

I think you'll find it's easier (and much cheaper) to adjust your braking style than to re-engineer the standard braking setup. I find I use my brakes less and less in every day driving after I upgraded them. a small amount of pressure gives me the same braking force as full pedal used to.

cheers,
.wook

Ohh I never even concidered tampering with the ABS system in the slightest, I was just curious. Now lets forget about what I said and get back on topic regarding the OP.:D

Phonic, i no what your saying now.. but there is still nothing wrong.... its not cutting in when it shouldn't.. if it was "Set" differently whatever that could mean.. the wheel would have a chance to lockup which is not what you want... its doing its job spot on.. no need for anything different...

there is a solution to the abs problem.... pull the fuse... you will stop quicker in the dry without the abs engaging.... maybe put the fuse back in when it rains though....


has anyone got the stainless braded hoses, should firm up the pedal a bit... they are only going for 130 ish made to order

I've got a brand called TRW Lucas pads on my thing, and i swear by them! 20 minutes around a race track and no fade at all, and they bite straight away when cold. only down side is they are a little dusty

there is a solution to the abs problem.... pull the fuse... you will stop quicker in the dry without the abs engaging.... maybe put the fuse back in when it rains though....


has anyone got the stainless braded hoses, should firm up the pedal a bit... they are only going for 130 ish made to order


how do you figure it will stop quicker with the abs unplugged??

if you can brake hard as possible right before a lockup is going to occur then your stopping as quickly as the car can... if your braking to hard causeing the abs to cut in then with the abs unplugged the wheels will lock and put you into a skid which is what you dont want cause the car will take longer to pull up once you go into a skid....

give your average driver two identical cars, one with abs and one without, the car with the abs will pull up quicker rain hail or shine because of human error.... even a highly skilled driver, at the wheel of the non abs vehicle, will only be able to match the abs vehicle stopping distance not better it...

how do you figure it will stop quicker with the abs unplugged??

if you can brake hard as possible right before a lockup is going to occur then your stopping as quickly as the car can... if your braking to hard causeing the abs to cut in then with the abs unplugged the wheels will lock and put you into a skid which is what you dont want cause the car will take longer to pull up once you go into a skid....

give your average driver two identical cars, one with abs and one without, the car with the abs will pull up quicker rain hail or shine because of human error.... even a highly skilled driver, at the wheel of the non abs vehicle, will only be able to match the abs vehicle stopping distance not better it...

I thought the only difference ABS Gives is the abilty to monourve during emergency braking???
If A non ABS Car brakes as hard as it can without locking up it should stop quicker then a car with ABS as the wheels still momentarily turn?

Correct me if im wrong :)

']I thought the only difference ABS Gives is the abilty to monourve during emergency braking???
If A non ABS Car brakes as hard as it can without locking up it should stop quicker then a car with ABS as the wheels still momentarily turn?

Correct me if im wrong :)
No. Simply because any car without ABS will lock the wheels at some point during heavy braking, hence an ABS fitted car will stop quicker. (given the same car/pads etc in a test envorinment)

Why are we even arguing this?

No. Simply because any car without ABS will lock the wheels at some point during heavy braking, hence an ABS fitted car will stop quicker. (given the same car/pads etc in a test envorinment)

Why are we even arguing this?

Oh i just said what i thought i wasnt trying to argue..:confused:

']Oh i just said what i thought i wasnt trying to argue..:confused:
lol It's all good. There's an episode of Top Gear somewhere when they brake tested old cars. The best of the lot was an old Volvo (which was the only one with ABS) The distance difference was quite a bit.

No. Simply because any car without ABS will lock the wheels at some point during heavy braking, hence an ABS fitted car will stop quicker. (given the same car/pads etc in a test envorinment)

Why are we even arguing this?


your a nob man i was replying to phonic as his abs cuts in too soon as he puts it

my 5series did this and i pulled the fuse and it stopped quicker!


anyway is abs was so good im sure it would be all over motorsport but it's not

your a nob man i was replying to phonic as his abs cuts in too soon as he puts it

my 5series did this and i pulled the fuse and it stopped quicker!


anyway is abs was so good im sure it would be all over motorsport but it's not
Yes, I'm a knob. I'm pretty sure they don't use ABS in motorsport because they run such big brakes which never fade. For ordinary road cars ABS is much, much safer and does stop better. Or, once again the very nature of the world around me will cease to exist in yet another extraordinary tale of AMC.

all the non believers in abs, go do an advanced driving course of some sort...they'll line you up on the skid pad, wet and dry, and you'll see just what difference abs does for the majoirty of drivers... heck pull your fuse out there if u wish and see for yourself.. i bet you cant stop any quicker.. heck, ill even bet u stop a lot lot further down the skid pad...


anyway is abs was so good im sure it would be all over motorsport but it's not

i dont no the exact reason why abs isnt in motorsport but im referring to abs benifiting your average driver on the street.... not race cars driven by pro drivers.. if a pro driver cannot detect a lockup and correct it then what is he doing behind the wheel of a racing car...

im not talking about in the wet!!

Im a beliver of abs and its great

but not on snow and gravel :badgrin:


but one thing is good to know, ralliart drivers when stopping in a hurry just slam on the brakes and hope for the best.... must be when you catch a glimpse of that ghastly spoiler in the rvm... lol


maybe PHONIC the person i was directing the comment at... maybe its due to the tyres, the reason why the abs seems to kick in earlier now..

must be when you catch a glimpse of that ghastly spoiler in the rvm... lol


tell ya what, the first time i drove a ralliart and went to change lanes i Sh 1t myself and chucked the car back where i came from.. i swore i saw a car in my blind spot but it was the damn spoiler!!

tell ya what, the first time i drove a ralliart and went to change lanes i Sh 1t myself and chucked the car back where i came from.. i swore i saw a car in my blind spot but it was the damn spoiler!!
You know I've never had that problem. My mate hops in it tho and thinks he sees a car behind us.

You know I've never had that problem. My mate hops in it tho and thinks he sees a car behind us.

isnt your spoiler off your car??? hahaha

My impression is talented drivers who can threshold brake well can stop a little quicker than with ABS, depending on how its setup (some systems trigger earlier than others). But I'm sure 99% of us are better off with ABS. On my next track outing I plan on pulling the ABS fuse out of curiousity.

When I upgraded to the twinpots with better pads and rotors, I did notice the ABS behaves differently.

With the single pistons, ABS would make a THUMP THUMP THUMP noise..now it does a SQUEAL SQUEAL SQUEAL from the tyres. It's as if the ABS is kicking in later with the twinpots. Just don't ask me why.

Also I've found I can instantly trigger ABS at any speed I've tried (100km/hr+). I remember with the single pots, if you mashed the brakes at high speed, ABS would only start triggering once you got down to 70km/hr or so, above that the brakes didn't seem to have enough bight to trigger ABS.

isnt your spoiler off your car??? hahaha
No. :nuts:

to phonic as his abs cuts in too soon as he puts it

I never said it cuts in too soon, ofcourse it will with more braking power now!! I worded what I wanted to say wronge....maybe I even confused myself a little, maybe I'm hungry..who knows!

BUT man, why are we still going on about ABS....brake pads people lol

PS Drum brakes pwn ABS! :P

tell ya what, the first time i drove a ralliart and went to change lanes i Sh 1t myself and chucked the car back where i came from.. i swore i saw a car in my blind spot but it was the damn spoiler!!

haha lol