Hey,


Just read a post in regards to spy pics of the 2008 Falcon (on this site!!).....
So does anyone know if there are any pic's of the 380 series 3 update floating around on the net, magazines etc????

I know it's only an update, but still so close to launch think there would be some about??? Searched the net with nil result....maybe I am looking in the wrong places:) Surely there must be some interest in this update........?????

according to this, no.

http://www.caradvice.com.au/2099/2007-mitsubishi-380-series-iii/#comment-17489

Don't listen to the rest of the **** he says though.

according to this, no.

http://www.caradvice.com.au/2099/2007-mitsubishi-380-series-iii/#comment-17489

Don't listen to the rest of the **** he says though.


Hmmmmm very interesting.

They have done very well to keep this under wraps.

Maybe my source is right. He told me a while back that the series 3 upgrade is a more substantial then what is being talked about in the media etc........

At the time he told me new front/rear styling, mivec engine, esc, curtain airbags (380 only narrowly missed a 5 star safety rating without these items, scoring a very strong 4 stars!!), as well as much better interior finish/presentation.

He told me at the time, that this would be a very secretive upgrade so as not to impact on current struggling sales, but to add some much needed interest when launched.

After looking at the Mitsubishi US site, and looking at the 380's almost identical close relative the Galant, this is looking very promising indeed. Galant already offers most of these things!!!

Wait and see I guess....no promises...but all very interesting all the same.

Hmm, does anyone know if Series 3 380 is still going to be launched July 1st? Because that is what, two weeks away?

Hmm, does anyone know if Series 3 380 is still going to be launched July 1st? Because that is what, two weeks away?

Yeah it was slated for a early July launch, but have heard nothing lately.
They can take another few months if it delivers everything above:)

However, since Mitsubishi are not exactly making billions of dollars a year, the changes are not that extraordinary. All you get is a new nose, some new wheels, paint colours and some trim upgrades. The 380 is still driven via the front wheels and powered by its 3.8L V8 engine (175kW @ 5250RPM and 343Nm @ 4000RPM). There are currently no pictures of the revised version available
Nice and credible... V6 last time I checked?

Who the hell writes that **** anyway, he/she/it needs to learn to get the facts right, while we're waiting for that; 380 owners, go to your cars and search for those hidden two cylinders lol

That articles a joke!
He has his facts wrong, and comparing the 380 to a porsche 911? :nuts:

That article was such garbage I posted a reply to it. Soooooo many mistakes and the thing was only about 3 paragraphs long. :bowrofl:

Hmmmmm very interesting.

They have done very well to keep this under wraps.

Maybe my source is right. He told me a while back that the series 3 upgrade is a more substantial then what is being talked about in the media etc........

At the time he told me new front/rear styling, mivec engine, esc, curtain airbags (380 only narrowly missed a 5 star safety rating without these items, scoring a very strong 4 stars!!), as well as much better interior finish/presentation.

He told me at the time, that this would be a very secretive upgrade so as not to impact on current struggling sales, but to add some much needed interest when launched.

After looking at the Mitsubishi US site, and looking at the 380's almost identical close relative the Galant, this is looking very promising indeed. Galant already offers most of these things!!!

Wait and see I guess....no promises...but all very interesting all the same.

Dont hold your breathe for the "secret upgrade". And comparing the US Galant to the 380 isn't valid either, the 380 was redesigned here so there isn't a lot of commonality between the two anymore, even though they look similar. We would love to be able to pick up all the goodies, but there is a lot of development and testing (=$$$$$$) required and MItsi's doesn't have the cash flow for that.

Dont hold your breathe for the "secret upgrade". And comparing the US Galant to the 380 isn't valid either, the 380 was redesigned here so there isn't a lot of commonality between the two anymore, even though they look similar. We would love to be able to pick up all the goodies, but there is a lot of development and testing (=$$$$$$) required and MItsi's doesn't have the cash flow for that.

hey magnabydesign tell us more, u design them right? surely working there u must have got a glimpse of it by now? :)

I have had plenty of glimpses lol. But I like being employed, so cant give away any info before the official launch. Soz

I have had plenty of glimpses lol. But I like being employed, so cant give away any info before the official launch. Soz

Is the launch still scheduled for July?

I have had plenty of glimpses lol. But I like being employed, so cant give away any info before the official launch. Soz

Haha... this is like one of those kids guessing games :tantrum:

Can you say whether the TMR380 is to be released at the same time?

You mean like the one sitting downstairs from me? No I cant say, but I don't know either. So solly...

I have had plenty of glimpses lol. But I like being employed, so cant give away any info before the official launch. Soz

ok then at 100 meters will we be able to spot the difference? dont forget as a 380 owner im one of the reasons ur employed :)

Depends on which model you are looking at....and how good your eyesight is.

Depends on which model you are looking at....and how good your eyesight is.
So far there is only 1 model which has 2 series (1 & 2), but both of these are identical in exterior appearance. However with other variables like eyesight, lighting conditions of those 100 metres, wind direction, humidity, etc, this could go on forever. (Sorry, no offense meant there).
I too am a 380 owner. Are we going to be impressed with this series 3?

Dont hold your breathe for the "secret upgrade". And comparing the US Galant to the 380 isn't valid either, the 380 was redesigned here so there isn't a lot of commonality between the two anymore, even though they look similar. We would love to be able to pick up all the goodies, but there is a lot of development and testing (=$$$$$$) required and MItsi's doesn't have the cash flow for that.

"MagnaByDesign" is a MMAL employee ? I did not know that.

Oh well, unless he is being paid to spread disinfo (or is doing it for fun :badgrin: ) then he has just said that its not a major update.

im betting the upgrade will include:

exterior: revised front and rear bumpers, revised headlights, new wheel designs
interior: new centre stack and HVAC controls, new steering wheel
mechanical: new exhaust for VRX model to life power to 190kw, slight suspension rejigging

agreed

it will just be little things, nothing extreme

im betting the upgrade will include:

exterior: revised front and rear bumpers, revised headlights, new wheel designs
interior: new centre stack and HVAC controls, new steering wheel
mechanical: new exhaust for VRX model to life power to 190kw, slight suspension rejigging

Not playing games, I just know this site is watched by some from Mitsi's to make sure employees dont let the cat out of the bag. And to give you and insight to what can and cant be done, a change to the headlights costs around 4 million, and thats before you change the front fender to suit.

Not playing games, I just know this site is watched by some from Mitsi's to make sure employees dont let the cat out of the bag. And to give you and insight to what can and cant be done, a change to the headlights costs around 4 million, and thats before you change the front fender to suit.

i meant something along the lines of the black headlights on the VRX being standard accross the range or something like that

a change to the headlights costs around 4 million, and thats before you change the front fender to suit.


thats why mitsu is broke....

holden can change the headlights for half a bag of rice and the gaurd for the rest....

seriously..

at least we are keeping jobs in aus!

thats why mitsu is broke....

holden can change the headlights for half a bag of rice and the gaurd for the rest....

seriously..

at least we are keeping jobs in aus!

Go Holdaen! Baerina's rock :P

Not playing games, I just know this site is watched by some from Mitsi's to make sure employees dont let the cat out of the bag. And to give you and insight to what can and cant be done, a change to the headlights costs around 4 million, and thats before you change the front fender to suit.

im glad they are reading these forums cause i can say now after purchasing 4 magna/380s I will not be purchashing another once my lease finishes in 2 years. my sister who is in the process of upgrading her lancer will not be considering a mitsubishi vehicle.

good luck to them trying to persuade a ford/holden/toyota customer to buy one over repeat customers.

im glad they are reading these forums cause i can say now after purchasing 4 magna/380s I will not be purchashing another once my lease finishes in 2 years. my sister who is in the process of upgrading her lancer will not be considering a mitsubishi vehicle.

good luck to them trying to persuade a ford/holden/toyota customer to buy one over a repeat customer.

Are you unhappy with your 380? I can understand what you are saying though, when the new falcon comes next year, the 380 is going to be kinda lonely, just out of eye of the buying public. I like the 380, but I'm not a guy buys cars very often (hung onto my first car, a GH sigma until 2003), so its still too soon for me to upgrade yet. The Avalon is hard to beat in my eye, not a sports car, but comfortable reliable and powerful. I think the 380 interiors again a letdown, like all but the latest mitsubishi generation.

Are you unhappy with your 380? I can understand what you are saying though, when the new falcon comes next year, the 380 is going to be kinda lonely, just out of eye of the buying public. I like the 380, but I'm not a guy buys cars very often (hung onto my first car, a GH sigma until 2003), so its still too soon for me to upgrade yet. The Avalon is hard to beat in my eye, not a sports car, but comfortable reliable and powerful. I think the 380 interiors again a letdown, like all but the latest mitsubishi generation.

i love the car to bits, i really do but i am shocked by there customer relations. im not too happy about the speedo being out, but the way mitsu flat out refused to asist really irked me. i turn over cars every 2-3 years, so this has cost mitsu a few 380 sales. not to worry im sure they are able to keep loosing customers like this.

EDIT: werribee mistubishi have been great, but head office veto there decisions.

im glad they are reading these forums cause i can say now after purchasing 4 magna/380s I will not be purchashing another once my lease finishes in 2 years. my sister who is in the process of upgrading her lancer will not be considering a mitsubishi vehicle.

good luck to them trying to persuade a ford/holden/toyota customer to buy one over repeat customers.




Agreed on the glad they are reading it part.

Accepted that they are struggling financially, but so was Ford when they spent big dollars updating the struggling Au falcon, with the end result the Ba being a big success.

The 380 is struggling sales wise for a reason (less then a 1000 a month might be ok for an import, but won't cut it for local manufacturing!) so it desperately needed this update to add some spark and be a little more substantial.....Unfortunately buyers don't care whether they have the money to spend or not, only the end product that they put up for sale!!! If it is behind its competitors then sales will have to decline even further.

I am also a loyal and longtime Mitsubishi customer, who has put off updating just in case the series 3 added this spark, and spec wise brought into line with it's competitor's.

Unfortunately if magnabydesign is right, and my other source (also a MMAL employee) is wrong, then it is good night Aussie production for the 380 and new job magnabydesign.

As an example new car's will soon struggle to sell without esp and curtain airbags, in no small part due to the Australia wide advertising that has commenced by goverment safety bodies promoting both these as must have items. Both Commodore and Aurion have them, and you can bet your house that Falcon will soon come into line despite their limited development budget.

Even the soon to be released cheaper Lancer will have these and more!!! what happens to 380 then????

As soon as someone with little knowledge of cars walks into a Mitsubishi dealer they won't remember the 380's qualities, they will ask about these things because of all the ad's that have been running, and once told these items aren't available even as an option on the 380, then they will be off to another brand i.e commodore or aurion, or the new falcon.

I know everyone has been trying to stay positive, but this is very sad news if correct. Think we must all accept the 380's fate....
Maybe if the update is as minor as being claimed, the 380's fate has already been signed off on.

This will only go one of two ways. Either the 380 series 3 is a substantial update, and takes the fight to its competitor's on a much more even platform which no doubt will lift sales, and brighten it's longterm viability, or if magnabydesign's info is accurate, series 3 will be a very very minor freshen up. They will then try and flog as many off as possible to rental/fleet etc at even bigger discounts with no concern for resale (won't be a replacement to push so why worry) to try and recoup atleast a little of the initial outlay from the 380's development, before they announce once and for all that MMAL is closing shop as a manufacturer, and importing only.

Shocking really....it's not as though the big family car market is dead...look at new model Commodore and Aurion sales!!! Not to mention what has happen in the states because of fuel prices. Families that had gone to SUV's etc whilst fuel was reasonable, are now going back to traditional family cars in droves. Look at Galant sales in the US, they have been very strong. Same will most likely happen here.....not everyone can go to small cars due to fuel, alot need the extra room with reasonable fuel consumption.

I know it has been rumoured for many years, and they have managed to prove the critics wrong, but the sales no longer hold up to there part of the deal. Even 9 yr old Magna/Verada design sold better prior to 380 launch!!! Makes you wonder whether the name change on top of everything else was a good thing. I know Nissan greatly regret changing the Pulsar to Tiida!!!! Most probably even further alienates loyal customers.

Gee I hope this is wrong, as it will cause huge shockwaves for the whole aussie car industry, but maybe the signs are now clearly showing :(
And to think this all started with one frenchman interferring with what was a great design......

Bring on July, lets hope its more then everyone has hoped for.....

You know what I'm hoping for? 380 wagon!!!

If I want to stay with Mits (also upgrade vehicle every 2 - 3 years) I have no choice but a lancer wagon (too small) or a Triton dual cab with canopy.

I'd love to be able to upgrade to a 380 wagon though *dreaming*

:stoopid: I'd love to see a wagon too, I bet fleet sales would increase and especially if they made a sports version. TT, AWD :D, there's gotta be a market for that lol.

The only way I can see the 380/Mitsu large car continuing production in Aus is if they can get exports for it. I still don't see why MM Japan has gotten MMAL to produce a luxury model for their market. As far as I can tell they don't currently have a large luxury car there that replaced the Diamante. If Japan were to get a luxo version then the needed upgrades such as esp, curtain airbags and excellent interiors(no cheap F**king plastics!) would become necessary. Possibly even AWD and a high output engine and base it on the new platform that the Oulander, Lancer and Galant will be based on.

The only way I can see the 380/Mitsu large car continuing production in Aus is if they can get exports for it.

I agree. Its not just mitsubishi - its ford as well. Unless they can sell more (with foreign sales), local production will eventually cease.

I agree. Its not just mitsubishi - its ford as well. Unless they can sell more (with foreign sales), local production will eventually cease.


Apparently Ford is about to announce new export deals for both new model falcon/Territory from 2008.

Holden has strong export deals for Commodore.

Toyota has strong deals for Camry/Aurion.

Would definately be a coup for 380 as well, but first needs to be brought up to the standard that other markets demand both in safety and interior ambience.

Apparently Ford is about to announce new export deals for both new model falcon/Territory from 2008.

Holden has strong export deals for Commodore.

Toyota has strong deals for Camry/Aurion.

Would definately be a coup for 380 as well, but first needs to be brought up to the standard that other markets demand both in safety and interior ambience.

The 4 cyl 380/proton deal is not looking so good, as Proton is in turmoil. The Malaysian government was trying to sell off its controlling interest ages ago, heard nothing for some time. What other markets want a RHD 380?

:stoopid: I'd love to see a wagon too, I bet fleet sales would increase and especially if they made a sports version. TT, AWD :D, there's gotta be a market for that lol.

The only way I can see the 380/Mitsu large car continuing production in Aus is if they can get exports for it. I still don't see why MM Japan has gotten MMAL to produce a luxury model for their market. As far as I can tell they don't currently have a large luxury car there that replaced the Diamante. If Japan were to get a luxo version then the needed upgrades such as esp, curtain airbags and excellent interiors(no cheap F**king plastics!) would become necessary. Possibly even AWD and a high output engine and base it on the new platform that the Oulander, Lancer and Galant will be based on.

the US and probably Japan as well, scrapped the Diamante because it was too similar to the Galant, the 2 cars were fairly similar and they went with the Galant because it was selling more. So a seperate car to the Galant, yet similar size wouldnt be a viable export, no matter how luxo the interior is as there isnt a market for it

I'm also never buying another Mitsubishi again.....because my long term plan is to drive this awesome 380 for 10 years until the warranty expires and then buy a Nissan Z series sports car....I will have one...oh yes :D

Although if the Eclipse comes to Australia....I may change my mind....

The 4 cyl 380/proton deal is not looking so good, as Proton is in turmoil. The Malaysian government was trying to sell off its controlling interest ages ago, heard nothing for some time. What other markets want a RHD 380?

Africa. In Zimbabwe we got the Galant but that wouldnt be available anymore and South Africa had nothing similar.

the US and probably Japan as well, scrapped the Diamante because it was too similar to the Galant, the 2 cars were fairly similar and they went with the Galant because it was selling more. So a seperate car to the Galant, yet similar size wouldnt be a viable export, no matter how luxo the interior is as there isnt a market for it
Does Mitsu Japan have anything that replaced the Diamante though? Is it a RHD Galant?

There's also the UK market and possibly some other European countries. It makes sense to me for MMC to build all the RHD versions of a car in one place and then export them either as fully made cars or as complete knock-down kits. Of course to be able to sell the product in these environments it would have to come with a low emissions, efficient engine and have a proper luxurious interior.

Does Mitsu Japan have anything that replaced the Diamante though? Is it a RHD Galant?

There's also the UK market and possibly some other European countries. It makes sense to me for MMC to build all the RHD versions of a car in one place and then export them either as fully made cars or as complete knock-down kits. Of course to be able to sell the product in these environments it would have to come with a low emissions, efficient engine and have a proper luxurious interior.


Na, Mitsubishi Japan doesn't build any sedan bigger then the new Lancer, which is ironically called a "Galant Fortis" - which isn't as big or as powerful (at this stage) as the 380, but has AWD option.

But I agree, Mitsubishi Japan should look at MMAL and give them a serious chance of exporting by redesigning the 380 and giving it a luxurious interior with good quality plastics and target that at Europe (incl. the UK), Japanese and African markets - with a complete range of engines. If they could use the 2.2 PSA unit in the 380 overseas and even a smaller V6 (maybe the 3 litre MIVEC out of the Outlander, and perhaps get the 6 speeder auto, if possible) give it heaps of specs in terms of safety and features and target it, priced appropriately across the world. There is no reason it wouldn't sell as they don't have a large sedan for sale in ANY other RHD markets, other then NZ & AUS.

Na, Mitsubishi Japan doesn't build any sedan bigger then the new Lancer, which is ironically called a "Galant Fortis" - which isn't as big or as powerful (at this stage) as the 380, but has AWD option.

But I agree, Mitsubishi Japan should look at MMAL and give them a serious chance of exporting by redesigning the 380 and giving it a luxurious interior with good quality plastics and target that at Europe (incl. the UK), Japanese and African markets - with a complete range of engines. If they could use the 2.2 PSA unit in the 380 overseas and even a smaller V6 (maybe the 3 litre MIVEC out of the Outlander, and perhaps get the 6 speeder auto, if possible) give it heaps of specs in terms of safety and features and target it, priced appropriately across the world. There is no reason it wouldn't sell as they don't have a large sedan for sale in ANY other RHD markets, other then NZ & AUS.

US built Galant is being exported to Russia, East Europe and the Middle East (LHD markets). It looks like only the 4 Cyl version of the Galant is being exported to Russia & Middle East.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_Galant
http://www.newgalant.ru/
http://www.alhabtoor-motors.com/mitsubishi/sedan/galant.htm

Since MMC no longer builds any large/Medium cars in Japan. MMAL can only export to RHD markets in Asia, Africa, South Africa, UK & Japan. In these markets most of the volume is for the 4 Cyl model. To export MMAL will have to build a 4 Cyl version may be with a different name like 240 or a Galant. I think MMAL’s biggest mistake was not build the 4 cyl version.

The thing everyone needs to realise is MMAL has very little control of what we build. MMC hold the purse strings, so they dictate what we build. WE fought tooth and nail over the XR styling, but Bouley had MMC's full backing so we were ignored. The AWD and Ralliart wouldn't have happened unless the MMAL staff didnt move heaven and earth to prove to MMC it could be done. Unfortunately all those days are behind us, and now we dont have the resources to do anything.

The thing everyone needs to realise is MMAL has very little control of what we build. MMC hold the purse strings, so they dictate what we build. WE fought tooth and nail over the XR styling, but Bouley had MMC's full backing so we were ignored. The AWD and Ralliart wouldn't have happened unless the MMAL staff didnt move heaven and earth to prove to MMC it could be done. Unfortunately all those days are behind us, and now we dont have the resources to do anything.
I must say that's a sad and sobering prospect. :(

Still, there's no reason why those still at MMAL with at least a scintilla of passion for their product shouldn't continue to press for change; to do what's right by MMAL.

Unfortunately all those days are behind us, and now we dont have the resources to do anything.

well thats just too bad. perhaps they should stop treating there repeat customers with the utmost contempt then maybe they wouldnt be in such a predicament. in 2 years when my lease is up im getting a VE. and another one after that. and again. and again. and ..........................

when i tell people at work abt the benefits of salary packaging and they like my car, i tell them my experiance with mitsu and point them to holden. (cause im pissed off with the ford dealer) i know that 3 staff in the past month have bought new VEs. they would have never have considered holden. when u get stories like the first guy who had his steering wheel replaced without question cause there was a mark on the leather why not.

The thing everyone needs to realise is MMAL has very little control of what we build. MMC hold the purse strings, so they dictate what we build. WE fought tooth and nail over the XR styling, but Bouley had MMC's full backing so we were ignored. The AWD and Ralliart wouldn't have happened unless the MMAL staff didnt move heaven and earth to prove to MMC it could be done. Unfortunately all those days are behind us, and now we dont have the resources to do anything.


The MMC management prior to 2005 was Daimler Chrysler management majority of the issues were because of the Daimler Chrysler management. Majority of the issue mentioned were prior to 2005 including the Bouley design etc.
The new models MMC has introduced after 2005 have been very successful like the new Outlander, the Updated Pajero & the new Lancer.

MMAL didn’t every thing right with the 380. MMAL should have put ESC, curtain air bags, Mivec engine & 4 cyl model. Should have done something similar to what Toyota did with Camry & Aurion (pretty much the same car with slight differences to differentiate the two models).

The MMC management prior to 2005 was Daimler Chrysler management majority of the issues were because of the Daimler Chrysler management. Majority of the issue mentioned were prior to 2005 including the Bouley design etc.
The new models MMC has introduced after 2005 have been very successful like the new Outlander, the Updated Pajero & the new Lancer.

MMAL didn’t every thing right with the 380. MMAL should have put ESC, curtain air bags, Mivec engine & 4 cyl model. Should have done something similar to what Toyota did with Camry & Aurion (pretty much the same car with slight differences to differentiate the two models).

You're missing the point saying MMAL should have done this or that, MMAL do not make the decisions. If we had the cash flow we probably could, but since we dont, the people who supply the funds (MMC) dictate what is produced and with what features it has. If MMAL had control the Bouley disaster would never of happened, and we would be still producing AWD's and the TMR380 would be in the showrooms by now. We would also have more export market than just NZ.

you cant be too critical of MMC tho, cant really blame them for what they are doing. Its not just MMAL which is struggling, MMC was in much bigger financial **** then MMAL was ever in and as a result they needed to pour everything they had into getting the global product of MMC up and running again to a satisfactory level. In order to do that they had to pull back their resources and MMAL was but one of a number of regional arms which had their funding and resources pulled out from under them in order to get MMC back on its feet.

The major bad decisions such as the boulay disaster and the lack of exports was the result of the previous daimler chrysler controlled management, not the current MMC management, so we shouldnt be blaming them, they are just doing their best to fix up the problems. Maybe when MMC gets back on their feet they will redistribute funding and resources back to MMAL to do something. As i've said in the past i would be very surprised if MMC decided to abandon tonsley park as it is one of their best, certainly most efficient, production plants and i think that they will eventually re-deploy the plant, and MMAL generally, to build something else a bit later on, most probably a global replacement to the US galant

From your mouth to MMC's ears RJL25.

well thats just too bad. perhaps they should stop treating there repeat customers with the utmost contempt then maybe they wouldnt be in such a predicament. in 2 years when my lease is up im getting a VE. and another one after that. and again. and again. and ..........................

when i tell people at work abt the benefits of salary packaging and they like my car, i tell them my experiance with mitsu and point them to holden. (cause im pissed off with the ford dealer) i know that 3 staff in the past month have bought new VEs. they would have never have considered holden. when u get stories like the first guy who had his steering wheel replaced without question cause there was a mark on the leather why not.

Not to turn you off but I know a guy where his company do fleet cars and they purchased 5 Commodores....4 of them noticed a strange fuel smell a few weeks after driving, and all 4 turned out to be cracked petrol tanks. Weird !
I guess if you're complaint is warranty issues though...Holden fixed all 4 cars immediatley.


Can I show my ignorance and ask someone to explain the 'Bouley disaster' everyone keeps talking about ?

Not to turn you off but I know a guy where his company do fleet cars and they purchased 5 Commodores....4 of them noticed a strange fuel smell a few weeks after driving, and all 4 turned out to be cracked petrol tanks. Weird !
I guess if you're complaint is warranty issues though...Holden fixed all 4 cars immediatley.


Can I show my ignorance and ask someone to explain the 'Bouley disaster' everyone keeps talking about ?

Bouley was the genius stylist MMC got to revitalise their image, and the first vehicle he added his special touch to was, the XR (03) Magna. The beginning of the end for MMAL

Bouley was the genius stylist MMC got to revitalise their image, and the first vehicle he added his special touch to was, the XR (03) Magna. The beginning of the end for MMAL

Ah yes...at the risk of getting flamed, I kinda liked that look...although it was the 380 that blew me away enough I had to buy....I think I'm the minority :D

Thanks

The XR was a bit before its time, but the bumpers were what messed it up. The 04 bumpers were better, but too late.

What is XR? Do you mean TL? TL vrx's are hot, but im biased what would I know :p

dunno if the S3 380 will launch in time but i've seen many on the baks of trucks, a few floating Mitsi's.

im pretty sure XR was the code name used internally for the car which eventually became the TL magna. The australian designed version of the XR was apparently a pretty sexy looking car, but boulay ripped it up and did his own job and it was less then popular...

im pretty sure XR was the code name used internally for the car which eventually became the TL magna. The australian designed version of the XR was apparently a pretty sexy looking car, but boulay ripped it up and did his own job and it was less then popular...
Do you have any pics of this? I can remember hearing about it but i have never seen it.

Do you have any pics of this? I can remember hearing about it but i have never seen it.

The 1/5th scale styling models are still downstairs in the styling studio, collecting dust. Unfortunately I cant get you pictures of them. They are interesting, but wouldn't have set the world on fire.

The 1/5th scale styling models are still downstairs in the styling studio, collecting dust. Unfortunately I cant get you pictures of them. They are interesting, but wouldn't have set the world on fire.


He had some styling points right.......but those headlights....arghhhhhhh.
Suppose it shouldn't come as a surprise, look at the design of some of the cars coming out of France.....yukkkkk.

Why they didn't leave it to the Mitsubishi Australia team to take car of it.....oh well, all history now.

If funds are as tight as what you are saying, then I would say you guys are pretty much all resigned to the fact that local production of the 380 is to cease after this model.
Otherwise you would already be actively involved in its replacement!!!!

Hopefully MMAL can still play some sought of role in MMC in the furture, as agree they are an awesome team, and have worked miracles with their budget etc under very difficult circumstances.

I see sales are still well under the 1000 mark for this Month, and with Series 3 to offer little or no more I guess its apparent where this is quickly heading.

If funds are as tight as what you are saying, then I would say you guys are pretty much all resigned to the fact that local production of the 380 is to cease after this model.
Otherwise you would already be actively involved in its replacement!!!!

not true, work on the VE commodore didnt start untill 2000, the VT commodore was launched in 1997

not true, work on the VE commodore didnt start untill 2000, the VT commodore was launched in 1997


Yeah I should have worded that better. Should have said 'would be currently involved in a significant upgrade', not replacement. Full replacement work would atleast be a couple of years away as you have stated.

What I am trying to say is, if the 380 series 3 is as minor upgrade as what is being said, and not one which will bring it into line with it's current competitor's, then things aren't looking good.

A good example is when Ford was struggling badly with the AU Falcon, both in sales, and massive debt. The talk was of Ford Australia becoming an import only brand as it is with MMAL at present. Back then it was only going to go 1 of 2 ways. Either Ford did the upgrade to BA and come out fighting, or struggle on with another AU facelift, sales continue to struggle, and then cease production........But we all know what happen there.

Talk of the current upgrade seems to be heading down the 'freshen' up just to keep some sale ticking over until production ceases line for the 380. I have seen it done before in the car industry, and unfortunately all the signs look bad.

I am a huge Mitsubishi fan, and have owned many of their cars so not trying to bad mouth 380....all I am saying is the bad news (missing features etc) and low sales can only go on for so long. Mitsubishi is currently at worse then Ford AU Falcon stage....its do or die with this series 3 upgrade!!!!!

With a bit of luck there might be a huge surprise, and the 380 comes out ready to take it to it's rivals with the major omissions like esp, curtain airbags etc onboard.!!!! Either that or finances are as bad as being expressed (and the public won't buy the cars just out of pity....AU falcon showed this even with Ford's huge army of support) and production is in big trouble in Australia.

Lets hope they come out swinging.

thing is, the sales volume of the 380 isnt thaaaat bad, if it was an imported model it would be quite acceptable, the problem is that this is the cars only market and therefore its a problem. IF it had exports under its belt the sales figures we are seeing wouldnt really be too much of a drama.

MMAL is still profitable, and they are still ahead of where they need to be regarding the repayments of their debts to MMC, while MMAL keep this up MMC will still be friendly towards them. It's actually in MMC "global revitilisation strategy" to keep regional hubs like australia going, so aslong as MMAL keep their boss's happy there isnt too many reasons why they wont get the necessary cash injection to build SOMETHING after the current model 380 reaches the end of its lifespan. Whether that be a new model 380, some other kind of large car, or maybe something completely different, doesnt really matter aslong as they build something! Companies, generally speaking, dont make too much of a habbit of closing down PROFITABLE businesses, and at this point in time MMAL is profitable.

As for the 380, the biggest problem with it is image, and i think MMAL know this. IF they get the chance to do a major facelift to it (similar to the AU->BA falcon upgrade) they should put the money into turning it into a really sporty, dynamic kinda car. It really wouldnt be that hard to do, the chassis, suspension and brakes are already good enough, all they would need to do is add more power and redesign the interior and exterior so that even the base model looks like the sports model. AWD would be nice, but not necessarily essential, styling and a MUCH better interior is more important, not necessarily for us car guys, but for the general car buying public thats the important things.

Thats just what i think anyway :cool:

[MMAL is still profitable, and they are still ahead of where they need to be regarding the repayments of their debts to MMC, while MMAL keep this up MMC will still be friendly towards them. It's actually in MMC "global revitilisation strategy" to keep regional hubs like australia going, so aslong as MMAL keep their boss's happy there isnt too many reasons why they wont get the necessary cash injection to build SOMETHING after the current model 380 reaches the end of its lifespan. Whether that be a new model 380, some other kind of large car, or maybe something completely different, doesnt really matter aslong as they build something! Companies, generally speaking, dont make too much of a habbit of closing down PROFITABLE businesses, and at this point in time MMAL is profitable.]


Yeah true in part. They will not close down MMAL whilst it is making money. The part you are forgetting is that the sale of imports by MMAL, are making up for the money it is losing on 380.

With this scenario MMAL would be even more profitable to MMC as a purely import based company. That is why 380 HAS to sell better then it currently is for MMAL to remain viable as a Aussie manufacturer.

[MMAL is still profitable, and they are still ahead of where they need to be regarding the repayments of their debts to MMC, while MMAL keep this up MMC will still be friendly towards them. It's actually in MMC "global revitilisation strategy" to keep regional hubs like australia going, so aslong as MMAL keep their boss's happy there isnt too many reasons why they wont get the necessary cash injection to build SOMETHING after the current model 380 reaches the end of its lifespan. Whether that be a new model 380, some other kind of large car, or maybe something completely different, doesnt really matter aslong as they build something! Companies, generally speaking, dont make too much of a habbit of closing down PROFITABLE businesses, and at this point in time MMAL is profitable.]


Yeah true in part. They will not close down MMAL whilst it is making money. The part you are forgetting is that the sale of imports by MMAL, are making up for the money it is losing on 380.

With this scenario MMAL would be even more profitable to MMC as a purely import based company. That is why 380 HAS to sell better then it currently is for MMAL to remain viable as a Aussie manufacturer.

yep but companies just dont close down multi-billion dollar assets like a production plant, particularly one that receives significant local, state and federal government support, without exhausting all other options first

yep but companies just dont close down multi-billion dollar assets like a production plant, particularly one that receives significant local, state and federal government support, without exhausting all other options first

I agree, they will try every other option first before resorting to plant closure. Especially after investing considerable amounts of money into upgrading the plant.

yep but companies just dont close down multi-billion dollar assets like a production plant, particularly one that receives significant local, state and federal government support, without exhausting all other options first
Accounting standards would have required the asset to have been written down to either it's value in use or sale price less cost to sell. As such, I doubt the book value of Tonsley Park to be quite as high as the money which was originally invested, however the acconting standard doesnt really take into account the plant's intrinsic value.

Being a Mistubishi fanatic, owner many Mits cars, including Chrysler, Sigma, Magna, Veradas, previous employee, including my mum and dad putting in 70 years collectively at the factory, its a bitter pill to swallow.

But the facts are...

Do not expect a new model from MMAL, the 380 is it. Nothing else is on the drawing board. No new model is planned. Zippo.

The options for building a different car, i.e. lancer, Pajero etc. is unlikely as MMC wont let it happen. (at least for the forseeable future)

The significant number of staff reductions, including key planning and design people who had years of experience are just no longer there.

Some of those who are there, are simply waiting for their redundancy packages. (words straight from their mouths)

Give the 380 til the end of next year (2008) and then cross your fingers, and listen for the death knoll.

Someone please proove me wrong ! :cry:

yep but companies just dont close down multi-billion dollar assets like a production plant, particularly one that receives significant local, state and federal government support, without exhausting all other options first


Lets hope you are right.

I have hated all the rumours of closure, and people pushing the knife into MMAL as much as everyone, and I would not add to this without basis I assure you of that.

Problem is that what I am hearing is that it is not looking good, and would take a miracle to change current management thinking.

If you don't have proof why post a bunch of heresay rubbish?

If you don't have proof why post a bunch of heresay rubbish?



Didn't I just say I wouldnt comment without proof.



Still this is more about if anyone has any series 3 380 pics.....not whether it will survive or not past series 3....we all got a little sidetracked........So anyone???? I wanna see some pics!!! Luv my Mitsu's..........
Must be some interest in this upgrade surely????????????????????????????????????

Didn't I just say I wouldnt comment without proof.

still this is way off topic, how out them 380 pics :doubt:

still this is way off topic, how out them 380 pics :doubt:

Yea,where the photos?:stoopid: :soapbox:

Yea,where the photos?:stoopid: :soapbox:



Yeah where are they......only week from launch or less, where is the interest????????

i have some of the sx but i dunno if i should post these as i could get in the S*** dont get too excited basically a freshen up!! we have the sx atm awaiting the other models

i have some of the sx but i dunno if i should post these as i could get in the S*** dont get too excited basically a freshen up!! we have the sx atm awaiting the other models

You haven't told us anything that we didn't already know. Media has already stated what you said.

But whats the point of waving the carrot if you don't supply any pics?

Put up a pic, and let us know the exact details. Assuming you have the pics. Not that we don't believe you.:doubt:

Assuming you have the pics. Not that we don't believe you.:doubt:

Reverse psychology *wink wink*..:redface: Oh....

oh btw i was driving 2 of them on fri

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/7827/05072007101rp7.th.jpg (http://img518.imageshack.us/my.php?image=05072007101rp7.jpg)

http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/4743/05072007102sf5.th.jpg (http://img120.imageshack.us/my.php?image=05072007102sf5.jpg)

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/5496/05072007103os7.th.jpg (http://img151.imageshack.us/my.php?image=05072007103os7.jpg)

http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/2893/editni3.th.jpg (http://img360.imageshack.us/my.php?image=editni3.jpg)

[QUOTE=wannamagna]oh btw i was driving 2 of them on fri
Have they changed the interior at all? IE fixed the plastics, rear seat grab handle etc?

Hmmmmm very interesting.

They have done very well to keep this under wraps.

Maybe my source is right. He told me a while back that the series 3 upgrade is a more substantial then what is being talked about in the media etc........

At the time he told me new front/rear styling, mivec engine, esc, curtain airbags (380 only narrowly missed a 5 star safety rating without these items, scoring a very strong 4 stars!!), as well as much better interior finish/presentation.

He told me at the time, that this would be a very secretive upgrade so as not to impact on current struggling sales, but to add some much needed interest when launched.

After looking at the Mitsubishi US site, and looking at the 380's almost identical close relative the Galant, this is looking very promising indeed. Galant already offers most of these things!!!

Wait and see I guess....no promises...but all very interesting all the same.

:think: ......

ha ha ha

I do like that silver stripe on the front grille under the mesh....not sure thats gonna send their sales through the roof though :confused:

Any interior pics...thats what I'm most interested in.
I actually really love the 380 interior on the platinum series 2, it was a big reason for my purchase.
Not sure why everyone talked so much about the interior needing improving. I guess compared to a higher end car it looks cheap, but not compared to what I paid....and I can't emphasis how much it ****s all over the 2001 Magna Advance I had....

Is that a new boot lid? Looks like it might have been lowered, maybe to improve rear-ward visibility?

Is that a new boot lid? Looks like it might have been lowered, maybe to improve rear-ward visibility?

thats interesting but it looks the same. in the current 380 u cant see the boot from the cabin, so lowering it wont make it any better.

bear in mind lads that this is the sx hopefully the vrx is alot better i was quite dissapointed by the sx but it obviously isnt the taget seller (as is the vrx) no more fotos guys sorry wait until the release!!! like i say im prob riskin my job

bear in mind lads that this is the sx hopefully the vrx is alot better i was quite dissapointed by the sx but it obviously isnt the taget seller (as is the vrx) no more fotos guys sorry wait until the release!!! like i say im prob riskin my job

thanks for the pics, at least we know ur the real deal. so whens the release date?

those wheels are freaking ugly!! look like hub caps and seeing the lowest 380 comes with 16 inch steelies as standard, those rims dont look any better at all. That said the series 2 had the same rims on the SX and the VRX so hopefully the VRX has some **** hot rims to make it look a lot hotter than its SX little brother

those wheels are freaking ugly!! look like hub caps and seeing the lowest 380 comes with 16 inch steelies as standard, those rims dont look any better at all. That said the series 2 had the same rims on the SX and the VRX so hopefully the VRX has some **** hot rims to make it look a lot hotter than its SX little brother

I agree! Look like Calais rims. The old ones were better. The interior will be the decider

I think its Inevitable.
The sales figures just dont add up.
Mitsu cant keep making losses like they are. Look at Ford with the Falcon, they are slowing with their sales and as we know, even scrapped the Fairlane and LTD because they just cant justify the $$.
Ford Aust future isnt looking all that bright at the moment even with the sales they have been having with the falcon and territory, so i think we have to face it that MMAL just cant justify keeping a 380 in the market.

I have always been a Mitsub fan since the TN's and i have owned my fair share of Verada's and done my part for the company but my current KH wag and KJ AWD will be my last locally made Mitsub's. The 380's just dont do it for me and i cant ever see them catching my eye.
I hate saying it but as others have mentioned, my next car will be a Calais or Statesman VE equivelant because they are just so more far advanced than anything else made here and actually are a great looking car. What else do you want in a car that they dont offer?
I strongly believe in buying something Australian made to support the local industry and i think some of our new cars on the market are as good as any avaliable.

Not to say i will never own a Mitsub again, but if i ever do, could only be something like a Outlander or Pajero which are nice cars.

I'd disagree with alot you've just said even though its your personal opionion, if u ad up all of fords sales of everything based off the falcone you easily tip into 5-6 thousand,

I'd also disagree on the looks of the car, looks very much like a boat. I also feel for a billion dollar i'm not inpressed, IMO i feel the leap from ford for AU-BA was alot more a big deal.

I also feel that there are better built and equiped products then the commy/statesman, esp in terms of finish, drivability and equipement.

but hey its all everyones opinion.

I still think the biggest mistake mitsu did was not call this car a magna or even magna 380, and/or have a 4cly, cause if u compare the aurion and camry sales this year combined...it out sells the commy.

peace out

The main problem is the styling of the car. That wasn't MMAL's fault though, as they did the best they could with what they had. What I think they should've done was have the sporty (VRX) body across the entire range. The main difference with the higher spec models would be bodykit, interior trim, features, and rim sizes. ie. ES has 16" steelies, SX gets sports suspension and 17" alloys, VRX/GT gets sports suspension and 18" alloys. Not bother with the LS/LX. Mitsu can't be like Toyota and have a bland looking Aurion, but still get 2000+ sales a month due to their brand's percieved reliability.

I hope they fix some things in S3.

I'd disagree with alot you've just said even though its your personal opionion, if u ad up all of fords sales of everything based off the falcone you easily tip into 5-6 thousand,

I'd also disagree on the looks of the car, looks very much like a boat. I also feel for a billion dollar i'm not inpressed, IMO i feel the leap from ford for AU-BA was alot more a big deal.

I also feel that there are better built and equiped products then the commy/statesman, esp in terms of finish, drivability and equipement.

but hey its all everyones opinion.

I still think the biggest mistake mitsu did was not call this car a magna or even magna 380, and/or have a 4cly, cause if u compare the aurion and camry sales this year combined...it out sells the commy.

peace out





The problem with the 380 is due to a combination of issues. One of the main reasons are Perceptions like the heavy depreciation & the fear that MMAL will close down due to financial factors.
The other reasons are due to omissions of the 380, the following are issues with the car in the order of importance.
Lack of Engine power compared to competitors (average punter will look at the kW figures when choosing a car)
Lack of safety features like ESC & curtain air bags (this is becoming increasingly important as more media coverage is given to ESC)
Exterior styling of the ES & LX models (the front grill)
Interior plastics
Even with the above issues addressed there is not going to be a significant increase in sales, the sales could increase by about an extra 500 units a month.

Not having a 4 cyl is a very big mistake. MMAL should have built 4 cyl with some different styling to differentiate the two.
Having a 4 cyl version may be with a different name like 240 or Galant will let MMAL compete directly against the Camry, Mazda 6 etc. Having a reasonable 4 cyl car will give MMAL at lease about 1000 units a month of sales. Most importantly MMAL will be able to easily export about 25,000 units to RHD markets. Most of the export volume is going to be for 4 cyl cars not V6. Majority of Toyota's exports are 4 cyl Camry not the Aurion.

The problem is that it's easy to point out the mistakes and say what they should have done, but very hard to do it.

Implementing a 4cyl version is a lot harder than just putting in a new motor.

Consider:

Production line upgrades
Staff training
New electrical system in the car
Suspension system needs to be re-engineered
Braking system needs to be re-engineered
Emission system needs to be re-engineered
Crash testing
Product marketing
Product sales
Product evaluation
Market research

And thats just some of the costs, you can now understand that it's not just as easy as putting a different motor in a car.

Honest question:
For those don't like the 380 styling, what is it exactly you don't like ?
As a Magna driver (and I quite liked the 2001 model I had), I saw the 380 and thought "GOTS TO GET ME ONE OF DEM!"

To me they look amazing, and are WAAAYYYY above the Commodore, Falcon, Aurion, and Mazda6 in looks.

I think Mitsubishi nailed the 'coupe styling' (to quote their website) with the high back and sloping side profile.

But everyones different I guess. The lack of sales indicates I'm the strange one I guess :D

The problem is that it's easy to point out the mistakes and say what they should have done, but very hard to do it.

Implementing a 4cyl version is a lot harder than just putting in a new motor.

Consider:

Production line upgrades
Staff training
New electrical system in the car
Suspension system needs to be re-engineered
Braking system needs to be re-engineered
Emission system needs to be re-engineered
Crash testing
Product marketing
Product sales
Product evaluation
Market research

And thats just some of the costs, you can now understand that it's not just as easy as putting a different motor in a car.

The US gallant has a 4 cyl model using the previous Outlander’s 2.4 L engine. There is always a cost in developing a car. The question is way wasn’t a 4cyl car developed from the beginning, that would have reduced the development costs. MMAL developed the 380 using the LHD US Galant, the same Galant has both 4cyl & V6 engine models.

I have always been a Mitsub fan since the TN's and i have owned my fair share of Verada's and done my part for the company but my current KH wag and KJ AWD will be my last locally made Mitsub's. The 380's just dont do it for me and i cant ever see them catching my eye.
I hate saying it but as others have mentioned, my next car will be a Calais or Statesman VE equivelant because they are just so more far advanced than anything else made here and actually are a great looking car. What else do you want in a car that they dont offer?
I strongly believe in buying something Australian made to support the local industry and i think some of our new cars on the market are as good as any avaliable.

Not to say i will never own a Mitsub again, but if i ever do, could only be something like a Outlander or Pajero which are nice cars.

Here we are returning to the days of justifying the 380s' existence. What's the point guys?
If you don't like the car, fine. Why bother posting here?

Just one point re the opposition; I work in the aviation industry. My tolerance for bad reliability is zero, particularly with CAD and robotic production assembly. My experience with three GMH products (Commodores) was failing transmissions, leaking windows, leaking fuel lines, power steering failures, a Panhard rod that fell off at 100kmh.
When you buy your Commodore I hope it's looks make up for the inevitable reliability issues you will have that I haven't experienced for over ten years with Mitsubishi.

I agree in retrospect with Hi Boi, the name should have been something ppl could relate to; "380" is lifeless and has no soul.

Here we are returning to the days of justifying the 380s' existence. What's the point guys?
If you don't like the car, fine. Why bother posting here?

Just one point re the opposition; I work in the aviation industry. My tolerance for bad reliability is zero, particularly with CAD and robotic production assembly. My experience with three GMH products (Commodores) was failing transmissions, leaking windows, leaking fuel lines, power steering failures, a Panhard rod that fell off at 100kmh.
When you buy your Commodore I hope it's looks make up for the inevitable reliability issues you will have that I haven't experienced for over ten years with Mitsubishi.

I agree in retrospect with Hi Boi, the name should have been something ppl could relate to; "380" is lifeless and has no soul.

Great post.

In regards to the name, I've always been obsessed with sports cars. Ferrari often use 'numbers for names' and Nissan's flagship the 300ZX and now 350Z are similar.
The '380' to me evokes a similar image to me - I like it.

Problem is allot of people still call it the Magna 380 lol .

Problem is allot of people still call it the Magna 380 lol .

I don't think that is a problem, if the car was marketed that way i'm sure there would be a few more sales, cause the car sure as hell likes like an evolution of the magna

Honest question:
For those don't like the 380 styling, what is it exactly you don't like ?
As a Magna driver (and I quite liked the 2001 model I had), I saw the 380 and thought "GOTS TO GET ME ONE OF DEM!"

To me they look amazing, and are WAAAYYYY above the Commodore, Falcon, Aurion, and Mazda6 in looks.

I think Mitsubishi nailed the 'coupe styling' (to quote their website) with the high back and sloping side profile.

But everyones different I guess. The lack of sales indicates I'm the strange one I guess :D

The problem is that the styling isn't sporty enough. The VRX/GT look good, but need at least some 18" wheels.

Honest question:
For those don't like the 380 styling, what is it exactly you don't like ?
As a Magna driver (and I quite liked the 2001 model I had), I saw the 380 and thought "GOTS TO GET ME ONE OF DEM!"

To me they look amazing, and are WAAAYYYY above the Commodore, Falcon, Aurion, and Mazda6 in looks.

I think Mitsubishi nailed the 'coupe styling' (to quote their website) with the high back and sloping side profile.

But everyones different I guess. The lack of sales indicates I'm the strange one I guess :D

I think the 380 is the best, most modern and original looking large car on the Aussie market. If I was in the market, a black Platinum with the VRX/GT tails with lip spoiler and tinted headlights would be my first choice. The other big three are pleasant and inoffensive looking cars but to me they have little design flair. It's like comparing the TE Magna with it's competitors at the time. The TE looked elegant and classy in comparision with the Commodore and Falcon of the time.

I think the 380 is the best, most modern and original looking large car on the Aussie market. If I was in the market, a black Platinum with the VRX/GT tails with lip spoiler and tinted headlights would be my first choice. The other big three are pleasant and inoffensive looking cars but to me they have little design flair. It's like comparing the TE Magna with it's competitors at the time. The TE looked elegant and classy in comparision with the Commodore and Falcon of the time.

:stoopid:

The 380 design to me will last the test of time where other manufacturers with exaggerated wheel arch flairs etc will date very fast like those old AMG Mercedes bodykits of the 80s.

:stoopid:

The 380 design to me will last the test of time where other manufacturers with exaggerated wheel arch flairs etc will date very fast like those old AMG Mercedes bodykits of the 80s.
To me, the VE commo already looks dated. :doubt:

The 380 design looks dated already - it doesn't have any nice curves and just looks 'fat'. I hate to say it, but the VE looks quite modern and aggressive, even in the base model trim.

The 380 design looks dated already - it doesn't have any nice curves and just looks 'fat'. I hate to say it, but the VE looks quite modern and aggressive, even in the base model trim.

The VE is ugly, you want aggressive check out the evo x

The VE is ugly, you want aggressive check out the evo x

Matter of opinion. I also like the EVO X design, but that is a 'small' car.

Here is a leaked picture of the 380 SIII. I think it's the VRX.

http://www.caradvice.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/380s3vrx.jpg

http://www.caradvice.com.au/3781/herald-sun-leaks-embargoed-mitsubishi-380-series-iii/

So the new VRX is the TMR without the more powerful engine or air vents in the bonnet ?

that looks so hot :badgrin: , i want one :bowrofl:

so no supercharger for any 380? do you think they'll make one for it (aftermarket)

i re-read the herald sun article and it says
Mitsubishi has confirmed that it will attempt to re-ignite the Ralliart brand to incorporate the new Mitsubishi Evo X and hot versions of their 380

does that mean while the TMR 380 wont make it into production there might be something similar say without supercharging?

It has always been MMAL's intention to re-ignite the ralliart brand. There are however other circumstances behind the scenes.

i re-read the herald sun article and it says

does that mean while the TMR 380 wont make it into production there might be something similar say without supercharging?

its a thought provocing comment isnt it! My guess is that it was too expensive to build the TMR 380, but they might sell individual components of the car such as the engine upgrades, suspension upgrades and brake upgrades seperately under the ralliart banner. Heres hopeing anyway, maybe its got something to do with this big "announcement in november" business

its a thought provocing comment isnt it! My guess is that it was too expensive to build the TMR 380, but they might sell individual components of the car such as the engine upgrades, suspension upgrades and brake upgrades seperately under the ralliart banner. Heres hopeing anyway, maybe its got something to do with this big "announcement in november" business

when i spoke to my dealer last week he said if i really wanted a TMR380 it could be done. similar to McEniry and his black one. it just wont be factory backed.

Here is a leaked picture of the 380 SIII. I think it's the VRX.

http://www.caradvice.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/380s3vrx.jpg

http://www.caradvice.com.au/3781/herald-sun-leaks-embargoed-mitsubishi-380-series-iii/


Was it the badge on the lower mesh grille that gave it away?

Maybe EVOLander?

http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/2006/sema/mitsubishi.evolander.concept/mitsubishi.evolander.f34.500.jpg
http://www.poweraxel.com/ralliart/catalogue/outlander/image/top.jpg

Supercharged 3.0L MIVEC V6 with 223kW through it's paddle shift 6 speed auto and electronically controlled AWD system.

The new wheels on the GT look way to small in SIII, you'll see what i mean when pics are out. It's disappointing.

EVOlander FTW!

Hmmmmm very interesting.

They have done very well to keep this under wraps.

Maybe my source is right. He told me a while back that the series 3 upgrade is a more substantial then what is being talked about in the media etc........

At the time he told me new front/rear styling, mivec engine, esc, curtain airbags (380 only narrowly missed a 5 star safety rating without these items, scoring a very strong 4 stars!!), as well as much better interior finish/presentation.

He told me at the time, that this would be a very secretive upgrade so as not to impact on current struggling sales, but to add some much needed interest when launched.

After looking at the Mitsubishi US site, and looking at the 380's almost identical close relative the Galant, this is looking very promising indeed. Galant already offers most of these things!!!

Wait and see I guess....no promises...but all very interesting all the same.

the same source predicting the factory closure? :think:

the same source predicting the factory closure? :think:

Off topic...don't go there :slap: