HI Guys

Am new to the forums and new to owning a magna as well.

To give you a rundown of the car, it was my parents and they bought a new car because the Magna was becoming a bit unreliable. The car heats up out of no where (fixed that with some sealing stuff that i bought from auto one) but the problem that Im facing now is that oil seems to be coming out near the water pump and spraying all over the drivers side of the engine bay.

Now my neighbour works for ultratune and i asked him to take a look and he told me basically that the engine was on the way out as he was the one who serviced the car before and that some water pump seal could have broken which is causing the oil to leak.

What im after is, is it worth me getting a reco engine which according to my neighbour is going to work upto about $2500 inc labour and warrenty or just replace the seal and hope another one does not give way due to its past heating issues.

Secondly is $2500 a resonable amt or is it too much. Can anyone point me in a direction where this can be done in melbourne. The car is a TP Magna.

Rj

Hi there,

Im new to the forum also but I have a TP magna that I have owned for 2.5 years and I have had to use seal up through the motor a few times now. I needed to use the seal up because my motor has a few cracks through it. I live in shepp and im looking for a reco motor and I was quoted $1800 installed 3 months rego, but im still looking around. Here is a link to a place in Melbourne that I might go get a second hand motor from u should check it out http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Mitsubishi-TR-TS-Magna-engine-fitted-with-warranty_W0QQitemZ170121925825QQihZ007QQcategoryZ1 0400QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Hope that helps :)

Well, firstly there is no oil seals at the water pump. The water pump is attached seperately into the side of the engine with a connection going into the front side of the engine. This connection has a rubber o-ring seal that seals it into the engine. There are no seals relating to the water pump that are in contact with oil.

However, there is a seal that prevents oil from leaking around the camshaft at the water pump end, which can occasionally cause a leak (although not often). Most likely the oil you are getting all over the drivers side of the engine bay is due to a leak in the rocker cover at the same end. There is a half-moon cutout in the rocker cover which goes over the top of the bearing cap behind the water pump pulley. The corners of this cutout requires a 1.5cm bead of sensor-safe gasket sealant to be put there, as significant oil leaks will occur otherwise. Also check the blowby hose that runs from the top of the bulge on the water pump end of the rocker cover and ensure it has not split or broken anywhere.

Usually these engines are relatively easy to fix up, and it would be worth finding out exactly what your neighbour says is wrong with the engine before you fork out a few thousand on a new engine. There are many causes for overheating, and simply replacing the engine may not even be the problem. You could have a faulty thermostat, clogged radiator, leaking hose or even a worn radiator cap and you can get overheating issues.

Simple test to work out if there is an internal leak within the engine cylinder at least is to watch the exhaust as it warms up. It should only remain steaming until the temperature is about halfway to operating temperature. If it is still steaming at operating temperature (and it's not a cold day), then you may have a damaged head gasket, or a cracked head or engine block. Another way to check for this problem is to remove the spark plugs and ensure there aren't any rusty ones.

With any situation where one person alone says there is significant damage and the engine can't be repaired, get a second opinion to be sure. $2500 isn't exactly a small amount... :doubt:

Just remember for $2500 you could get a second gen with a V6 and ABS.

More power and better fuel efficiency.

Thanks for the replies guys. Dave is there a particular way that this selant needs to be put. From what i Can see i take of the plastic bit which covers the wheel looking thing and do i need to put some on the inside of this???? Also from this water pump wheel thing there is some orange stuff coming out as it spins....seems like some kind of gasket that has broken off???

What is this "Seal up" stuff, will this help????

Rj

So do i need to replace the seal or the waterpump, or if i replace the water pump does the seal come with it. Is there any way i can put some silicon on it and seal it up??? or will this "Seal up" this work for this???

Thanks for the replies guys. Dave is there a particular way that this selant needs to be put. From what i Can see i take of the plastic bit which covers the wheel looking thing and do i need to put some on the inside of this???? Also from this water pump wheel thing there is some orange stuff coming out as it spins....seems like some kind of gasket that has broken off???

What is this "Seal up" stuff, will this help????

Rj

The red \orange stuff should be RTV high temp sealant used on exhausts,thermostst housing etc etc. It sets to make a gasket when u use it. U could always take the water pump off and pull it apart and re seal up with RTV red sealant.

now for the moon shaped gasket at the end of the block\head where the water pump wheel is (under that black cover).
You will need rocker cover gaset,sensor safe sealant, a socket set and some time and common sense.
Undo all the bolts holding on the rocker cover to the head (rocker cover is the very top os the engine with mistubushi stamped on top).
Now when all the bolts are out pull off the cover and scrap the old gasket off and clean up both mating surfaces very well. Now don't forget to put a bead of sealant around the half moons on either end of the head.
Now put the rocker cover\gasket on and tighten the rocker cover bolts up. now only do them up hand tight then 1-2 turns past that and no more otherwise u will snap them off seeing as there made from soft alloy metal( or u will crack your rocker cover). Plus u only want to squash the gasket so it seals tight. If u over tighten the bolts they will crush the gasket leading to it leaking again.

So do i need to replace the seal or the waterpump, or if i replace the water pump does the seal come with it. Is there any way i can put some silicon on it and seal it up??? or will this "Seal up" this work for this???

Don't use silicon it will do your cooling system no good plus it dosent have a high temp rating and it causes\attracts rust which is not what u want in your cooling systems. Leave that suff for working on your house.

Thanks smooth

I get what to do with the taking off the rocket cover and stuff. When you say use a bead of sealant wat do u mean by that. Does it mean dont use too much or make little amounts of the sealent with no gap.

Now for the orange stuff from the water pump is that going to be worry since the moon gasket is the one thats is leaking oil from??? whats the worst that can happen with this orange stuff coming out, i think the water pump removal involves a bit of work and me being a beginner at it speaks for itself??

Lemme know please

Thanks smooth

I get what to do with the taking off the rocket cover and stuff. When you say use a bead of sealant wat do u mean by that. Does it mean dont use too much or make little amounts of the sealent with no gap.

Now for the orange stuff from the water pump is that going to be worry since the moon gasket is the one thats is leaking oil from??? whats the worst that can happen with this orange stuff coming out, i think the water pump removal involves a bit of work and me being a beginner at it speaks for itself??

Lemme know please

a bead of 3-5mm will do, just go around any bolt holes that are there.
now with the rtv (orange stuff) it could lead to your radiator getting blocked and the car overheating (could).
as for removal of the water pump. Thats a peice of cake, if u know how to undo\tighten bolts that about as hard as it gets.
all u will need is a socket set and some time.
drain out your cooling system (by taking off the bottom hose). Then undo the 4 bolts 14-15mm i think. Sometimes it can get a bit stuck if it hasn't been removed in a while (so id get a long handled screw driver and lever it till it moves, once u get it to move just take off the belt and pull it away from the block). then disasemble it and scrap off the old sealant(rtv) and make sure that it's clean and then put some new rtv sealant on it then put it back together the way you had removed it. the water pump belt tension\deflection should be between 7-11mm. just push the belt in the middle of the longest strech with your finger and see how close you are and adjust to the tension above.
I u don't know how to adjust get a friend to hold a long handled screw driver or the like between the water pump housing for leverage and get him to pull till it's at the right tension and while he's holding it just do up the 4 bolts.
It's really an easy job even for a noob:D
oh yea then fill up your cooling system with some good anti-corrosive coolant and soft water (demineralized water). Every auto place sells soft water for like 3 bucks for 3 litres.

And if u get stuck i can scan the pages out of my manual if u need.

What he said lol

I don't have all that much free time these days, so sometimes a bit slow at replying. I used the black RTV sensor safe gasket silicon, and haven't had a problem with it. I ran it around my entire rocker cover though, as the front water pump end the rocker cover or the head seems to have warped (it dumped most the oil from the engine onto the transmission and water pump!).

Never use that orange stuff, as like smooth says, it will damage the engine and/or cooling system.

Not all that much else I can add other than good luck :cool:

So do i need to replace the seal or the waterpump, or if i replace the water pump does the seal come with it. Is there any way i can put some silicon on it and seal it up??? or will this "Seal up" this work for this???

new water pump

thats the water pump and oring

off ebay they a cheaper

permatex black for the rocker cover