Hey all,

Has anyone fitted brembos from an EVO to thier magna? (I know of a couple..). Those that know about the conversion, what difficulties did you come across? Was it hard? What was required..?

Thanks,
--Alex

think u need a certain offset rim so that they would fit under them

cummins had get em...evo 6 4 pots i think pm him

woot awesome spelling...*cummins has got em**

Yeah there is a few things you need to do and wheels is one of them..


I got me a set..:) Just got to get them on the car..:)

wouldnt u have to make sure that all of the bracket anchorage and the strengths of the bolts can withstand the added force?

wouldnt u have to make sure that all of the bracket anchorage and the strengths of the bolts can withstand the added force?


What added force are you refering too..??

What added force are you refering too..??
bigger brakes = bigger stopping force = inadaquate bolt strenghts dont it???

You'll spend a truckload on the brakes, then even more again getting rims to fit over them.

another option is what i have on my car. Same size disc but a PBR twin piston caliper off a C6 corvette. cheapers and work just as good and they will fit behind most 17's and definatly all 18s

You'll spend a truckload on the brakes, then even more again getting rims to fit over them.

another option is what i have on my car. Same size disc but a PBR twin piston caliper off a C6 corvette. cheapers and work just as good and they will fit behind most 17's and definatly all 18s

Did you have to get custom bracketry or standoff blocks made to get them to fit? I know Hoppers Stoppers do C6 caliper based kits to fit just about anything, with a few different sizes of rotors.

Did you have to get custom bracketry or standoff blocks made to get them to fit? I know Hoppers Stoppers do C6 caliper based kits to fit just about anything, with a few different sizes of rotors.
Hoppers made the kit for me, was a custom jobbie but now anyone can buy it off the shelf.

yes they made a bracket and spacers to make the caliper fit correctly, and the fit is perfect. After 120kms around wakefield park where 95% of the day was spent flogging the hell out of the car, they kit proved itself worthwhile. Wookie will also agree, i know i dont even need to ask him

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for the awd both the calipers and rotors front and rear just bolt straight up, the only mod needed is to cut and fold back the dust shields to clear the rotors. for a fwd the rears need a plate of some sort to fit...but don't know the exact details

getting wheels to fit is a pain, 17" is minimum, but the real problem is the location of the spokes, i went through so many tests of local wheels and found none that fit, then got a set of enkies, which still only clear the calipers by about 2mm... so you'd have to test fit the brakes (fronts only) with wheels. but other than that they need no major mods to make them fit.

another option is what i have on my car. Same size disc but a PBR twin piston caliper off a C6 corvette. cheapers and work just as good

Hey Jason, aren't those VT SS calipers? I'm sure they pull up nicely, but I daresay they aren't quite in the same league as brembos. Assuming similar cost, IMO brembos are the way to go (provided they are in good nick or reco'd). Plus you can say you have brembos, and people will see them:)

EVO 6 brembos should fit behind 17's, after all, the EVO6 came with 17's, to my knowledge.

Hey Jason, aren't those VT SS calipers?

I doubt it...... VT SS only had 289mm front rotors. Pretty sure the package Jason has is 330mm, which is more like VT clubsport braking hardware if I'm not mistaken.

And if I'm not mistaken, $1700 will get you the same front brake kit TZA has, and I'm under the impression that is everything you need, so that would include rotors, calipers, brake lines, brackets, (pads maybe??) etc. Sure you can probably get a set of 2nd hand front and rear brembo calipers for the same price, but by the time you spring for rotors and brake lines alone you'd probably be looking at another $1000 (assuming braided brake lines are used).

Don't get me wrong..... I don't think the hoppers stoppers package is particularly good value for money - but I think you'd be pushing **** up hill to get brembos fitted to your magna and still be in the same price range.

I doubt it...... VT SS only had 289mm front rotors. Pretty sure the package Jason has is 330mm, which is more like VT R8 braking hardware if I'm not mistaken.

But he had a custom bracket made up, did he not? In which case he could be using upsized-rotors, AFAIK. I vaguely remember him mentioning they are VT SS calipers some time back, or maybe that was someone else.

Either way, IMO Brembos are the way to go, if you can decent nick or recod calipers for a similar price. Seems alot of money to be spending just for commodore/HSV calipers, which aren't bad for what they are, but not not all that special either.

Hey Jason, aren't those VT SS calipers? I'm sure they pull up nicely, but I daresay they aren't quite in the same league as brembos. Assuming similar cost, IMO brembos are the way to go (provided they are in good nick or reco'd). Plus you can say you have brembos, and people will see them:)

EVO 6 brembos should fit behind 17's, after all, the EVO6 came with 17's, to my knowledge.

I agree chrisholm, the brembos are superior. I can get a set from an EVO 7 for quite cheap...

Thanks guys!!
--Tonba (Alex)

I vaguely remember him mentioning they are VT SS calipers some time back, or maybe that was someone else.



He has stated numerous times (in this thread even) that they are corvette C6 calipers....... being GM, I guess it's possible that the VT SS calipers are the same, but I wouldn't know.

If they are, well I can forgive him for calling them Corvette C6 calipers rather than calling them VT SS calipers lol

:edit: sorry for the off topic..... I'm out..

they are not commodore calipers, i've said that many times before as tight **** members have said i should have got commodore calipers.

because i went an evo 320mm disc for ease of installation, we needed a caliper to fit over an evo disc. The evo disc is 32mm thick where commodore discs are narrower.

As for brembos being better they probably are, but the pads in my calipers are larger in surface area than the ones in the evo brembos, and the pistons are nearly twice the size of ralliart magna calipers.

This comes down to personal choice really, and i highly doubt a car with brembo fronts would out break my car with the hoppers kit on my car. i believe there wouldnt be any difference at all

I believe the Brembros are 4 pot on the front where-as the C6 calipers are only 2 pot.

4-pot brings better feel and control into the equation.

-Dan

This comes down to personal choice really, and i highly doubt a car with brembo fronts would out break my car with the hoppers kit on my car. i believe there wouldnt be any difference at all


Like Jase said, it comes down to a personal thing.. Brembos lots of fiddling, hopper bolt on.. Money wise.. same same..Only reason ive gone with the Bremebos is wank factor..:P

I believe the Brembros are 4 pot on the front where-as the C6 calipers are only 2 pot.

4-pot brings better feel and control into the equation.

-Dan
Thats right, but the pistons on the PBR calipers are freaking huge! I wouldnt say each piston is twice the size of a brembo piston, but it is a lot bigger, making the clamping force almost the exact same. Also i found no matter how hard you brake, or what brakes you have ABS will kick in. the main place you will notice any difference in brake power is when slowing for 180-200kms into an 70km 2nd gear turn.

Hey Jase, I'm not trying to bag out your brakes, I'm sure they pull up very hard and hold up to abuse well (btw what pads/rotors are you using at wakefield)? But there's more to brakes than just pistonsize/clamping pressure, such as degree of caliper flex being another main factor.

I just think personally I'd have the Brembos for similar money, as they probably are a bit better, if only in subtle ways (feel, modulation etc)..plus they are brembos, wank value and look the goods :)

Btw I assume you are referring to braking at the end of the front straight at Wakefield? 175-180km/hr sounds about right for your power level, the only street/hardtop cars that hit 200km/hr there are 500hp+ monsters, as you know the straight is quite short.

I actually find braking into the fishhook to be hardest on the brakes, you dont need to wash off quite as much speed, but its downhill, and your brakes dont get as much cooling as they do down the front straight beforehand.

Hopefully we'll go to Wakefield on the same day some time, I'd love to catch a ride and see what your car is capable of, I think with the right suspension/tyre setup (r-comps) and polishing your driving to near-perfect, you'll eventually be able to do 1:10s, or get close to it. That would be fantastic to see, on an average public track day you will be definantely be among the fastest street cars there, if not sometimes the fastest :thumbup:

Thanks for all your help guys.

But ATM, im also loooking at a set of rims (need new rims to go with brakes)...and ive been looking at a set of 18x8.5's with an offset of +30.

Now...should these suckers fit on and over my brakes?

--Alex

You may find that offset is slightly too much, and it sticks out, depending on what rubber you use.

Assuming you use 235mm rubber, I think you'll find + 35-40 offset is perfect.

And if you get brembos, pretty much any rim in that offset SHOULD clear the calipers (but best to check).

Thanks for all your help guys.

But ATM, im also loooking at a set of rims (need new rims to go with brakes)...and ive been looking at a set of 18x8.5's with an offset of +30.

Now...should these suckers fit on and over my brakes?

--Alex
its not about offset, its a matter where the spokes are on the rim. The only way you will find the right wheel is having the brake caliper and disc on a hub and try it on different wheels. I tried this years ago with 3000GT calipers when i wanted them to go on my old 2nd gen and i found nothing that would fit the brakes and fit on my car.

Chisholm, Im using DBA 4000 series discs that are 320mm by 32mm, exact same size that is on the EVO's, and TRW Lucas pads

Brembo brake package was offered as an option on the Ralliart Magnas, its the same kit as the EVO6.5 had. Dont know what mods were needed though, couldnt be much if the idiots at Mitsu service could fit it:nuts:

Brembo brake package was offered as an option on the Ralliart Magnas, its the same kit as the EVO6.5 had. Dont know what mods were needed though, couldnt be much if the idiots at Mitsu service could fit it:nuts:

brembo's were never offered as an option on ralliart magnas........ your not thinking of the prototype ralliart magna that was at the car shows are you? that was fitted with brembo's from memory....

the only factory option available (when i bought my ralliart new) was the sunroof.... which i optioned for...

Brembo brake package was offered as an option on the Ralliart Magnas, its the same kit as the EVO6.5 had. Dont know what mods were needed though, couldnt be much if the idiots at Mitsu service could fit it:nuts:
ive got a set of 3000GT calipers sitting on my garage floor, which are pretty much identical to the brembos and they dont come close to fitting unfortuatly

I was told by a Ralliart dealer in Adelaide that it was an option?? WTF!

I was told by a Ralliart dealer in Adelaide that it was an option?? WTF!

Ahhh John, typical dealer that didnt (dont) know sh*t from clay.

The only options for the ralliart magna was a sunroof and a auto trans.

The first show/concept ralliart magna that we built had the brembos and recaros etc but they were unfortunately dropped out of the ralliart magna program due to lack of funds (and beancounter pressure) :rant:

The first show/concept ralliart magna that we built had the brembos and recaros etc but they were unfortunately dropped out of the ralliart magna program due to lack of funds (and beancounter pressure) :rant:

very unfortunate :cry:

****in typical Mitsubishi!! I supose the Supercharged 380 will go the way of the Dinosaur too:rant: :rant: Dont they realise people are lining up for V8 and Turbo6 sedans, we want more POWER dannit! BURN THE CARDIGAN

The first show/concept ralliart magna that we built had the brembos and recaros etc but they were unfortunately dropped out of the ralliart magna program due to lack of funds (and beancounter pressure) :rant:
Thought Jases Red thing was first concept. Built plate says its a sports and is built #001

P.S. My brembos are ready for collections..:P Sweet...

Thought Jases Red thing was first concept. Built plate says its a sports and is built #001

P.S. My brembos are ready for collections..:P Sweet...

Nah, it wouldn't be Jases..... If anyone on here is driving around in the 1st Concept, it would be Pete (QMD///801). His Red Ralliart is 2001 built and doesn't have a build number. It doesn't have Recaros or Brembos though..... I'm guessing there was more than once Ralliart concept though.

Nah, it wouldn't be Jases..... If anyone on here is driving around in the 1st Concept, it would be Pete (QMD///801). His Red Ralliart is 2001 built and doesn't have a build number. It doesn't have Recaros or Brembos though..... I'm guessing there was more than once Ralliart concept though.
Mine was 2001 aswell.

Nah, it wouldn't be Jases..... If anyone on here is driving around in the 1st Concept, it would be Pete (QMD///801). His Red Ralliart is 2001 built and doesn't have a build number. It doesn't have Recaros or Brembos though..... I'm guessing there was more than once Ralliart concept though.
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mine is 2000 build, doesnt even have climate control or passanger airbag. I compared mine to pete's when i was up in brissy a while back. Mine also has the "NSMV" printed on the plate and was the car that did the rounds for the 2001 motorshow

Thought Jases Red thing was first concept. Built plate says its a sports and is built #001

P.S. My brembos are ready for collections..:P Sweet...

There were 3 ralliart Concepts/Showcars built, jases (sports based one TJ7S42) plus 2 later models.

The Brembos, the recaros and the original style bodykits were removed from the concept/showcars once the beancounters had decided that they would not be going onto the full production vehicles, so none of the cars released to the buying public had them.

from what i could find from spending hours on the phone when purchasing mine...

was that is was not a prototype as such they reffered to it as a 'pre-production' model, that did the rounds as the complete package lol...

and the only real difference between mine and the other ralliarts other than jase's is little things like dash lighting mainly around the climate control is a little different and that is basically it..

brett what month 2001 is yours? mine is june...

from what i could find from spending hours on the phone when purchasing mine...

was that is was not a prototype as such they reffered to it as a 'pre-production' model, that did the rounds as the complete package lol...

and the only real difference between mine and the other ralliarts other than jase's is little things like dash lighting mainly around the climate control is a little different and that is basically it..

brett what month 2001 is yours? mine is june...
I think mine's November or December man.