http://editorial.carsales.com.au/car-review/2733409.aspx

A shame, but you honestly can't say you didn't see it coming.

well that is just ****ing bull****!

i doubt a plastic bodykit, 5G blower, some rims, nice shockies, brakes and different seats would cost the consumer $60,000

not to bothered really,

look when the 3.5 first came out it was 147kw's, it later got up to 180kw's from a not very spec'd up ralliart.

its very well known the 3.8 is restricted by intake and exhaust, so with minor induction/exhaust tuning plus the cam upgrade that models got as the years went on and its easy to see it cracking easy 200kw's,

plus they didnt rule out a ralliart 380, they just came to the point where the TMR would not be brought as an EVO would only be 10k more so why bother, i think a watered down NA ralliart 380 is more realistic, and the s/c set up of the TMR 380 may one day become a dealer option who knows

McEniry did suggest Heaphy's TMR operation was in a position to build the hot 380 on a short run basis. He said that even though it was not an official MMAL model he would be "parking a black one in his garage".
This suggests, if you've got the money TMR will make you one. The caveat being the (lack of) warranty.

...also, I wonder if Sprintex will now be able to bring 380 superchargers to the market?

Well, Im not supprised and I for one am glad they didn't go ahead with it. It would have been a debarkle. $45,000-60,000 against the v8s and turbos. That would have even been getting into Typhoon territory.

Im not surprised either, and I agree with stonesour's comments.
Its good to see they at least have not ruled out any options for still producing some type of sports car, however, it would have been better if they did ther homework a year ago, and should have released now along with the 380 Series III. What are they thinking now... they are going to be around for another year with no further changes to any model? Where are the sales going to come from? Does not sound like a good business plan to me. They have failed to plan..therefore they plan to fail!:rant:

mistu are wankers i hope they go broke in aus..

they tease and tease and then give nothing... and the 380 series 3 lol they havent even thought about that yet.. proably dont even exist

mistu are wankers i hope they go broke in aus..

they tease and tease and then give nothing... and the 380 series 3 lol they havent even thought about that yet.. proably dont even exist

TMR 380 was a concept they never promised it, most car companies make concepts that never make it, be realistic! there are very few ppl who are interested in a 380 for performance, yes there is a small group and it could shift some of the market from traditional rivals, but do u not think its more sensible to target and focus on the group who are most likely to buy a 380,

they are family conscious middle class adults who want a nice cruiser to get the kids to school and do the shopping and also travel a lil so it needs to be comfortable roomy and economical, box's ticked!

it is inivitable that some sort of ralliart edition 380 will come out sooner or later, NA FWD with some minor head work and cam work, new body styling and a few nice wank features. and im sure it will be way better than the S or XR6 but it wont have the backing and the RWD's will power on.

We know sprintex are tightlipped about a 380 s/c... who is to say that the s/c from the TMR 380 cant become a dealer option, aswell as a bunch of other performance parts,

perhaps 380 Ralliart enhanced dealer options are more appealing than an all out brawler?

personally i know id consider a blower down the track if it didnt void my warrantee.

I think theres alot of good to come from the TMR380 because of this ;)

I wonder if the bodykit will appear on the new series 3 VRX ?

seems crap that now MMAL wont have anything at all to compete with typhoons/XR6T's/SS's etc, imo they just really needed that 'halo car' to sell a few of, yet show wat they can do with a car, and make the owners proud to be driving a mitsubishi... some people dont want to drive small cars like the evos, and would probably love to have a larger car, well specced, with enough go to give it to the v8s.

wat MMAL need imo is (to return to another thread) a proper GT... take the GT from the current range, with its class and luxury, and put it around 190-210kw of NA power, and u have a very nice car to drive... good for the older generation who want that bit of poke (think ur managers/execs with money to buy an SS, but want class/woodgrain/leather/very little plastic)... something that is just fun to drive :)

and thats my $0.05 ;)

it seems mitsu have gone from having the magna one of the fasest family 6cyl's around to the 380 and it's getting hammered by al the competition in terms of performance in the 6million car mag reviews i have here where they test the aurion falcon and commo....

im talking base model pov packs here and it cant compete anymore, my tj awd in stock form has recorded better acceleration times than the 380 even better than a manual 380 as posted up on the forums that was ran at the track...

rember the 5spd manual 3.5L magnas? stock and people are pulling 14's

mits will never be able to compete with the big guns not even the tmr would have been able to, but how about out gunning the pov packs atleast? i wouldnt buy a 380 i dont mind the looks, but looks dont help performance

Looks don't help performance? Tell that to Ferrari, Zonda and Bugatti.

The extras on the TMR 380 were just too much. We have to adhere now to the fact that there will be no performance 380 variant. The only way that'll happen is if sales spike significantly in the next 6-12 months. If you want a performance Mitsubishi, buy an EVO. They are the best value for dollar sports car in the world IMO with 4 doors and a decent sized boot.

it seems mitsu have gone from having the magna one of the fasest family 6cyl's around to the 380 and it's getting hammered by al the competition in terms of performance in the 6million car mag reviews i have here where they test the aurion falcon and commo....

im talking base model pov packs here and it cant compete anymore, my tj awd in stock form has recorded better acceleration times than the 380 even better than a manual 380 as posted up on the forums that was ran at the track...

rember the 5spd manual 3.5L magnas? stock and people are pulling 14's

mits will never be able to compete with the big guns not even the tmr would have been able to, but how about out gunning the pov packs atleast? i wouldnt buy a 380 i dont mind the looks, but looks dont help performance

Andrew, I know you're really disappointed about the demise of the TMR but making comparisons with the Magna doesn't stand up, mate.
When the 96 TE came out most people weren't excited with the model. Over time it gained a lot of respect but it took five years to get a good following. I had the 97 KE after three Commodes and it surprised me how good the car was.
I don't see anything different in the 380 except that the large car market is in decline.
You can't compare times from mildly modded (intake, exhaust) Magnas versus a stock 380 that noone has taken down the track in a serious test (the Townsville run you can't count as serious - even the owners said same). The only 400m times have come from journos, and what did they get with the Magna? Mid fifteens, years ago, so I can't see why the 380 can't do high 14s now and do better than a Magna with similiar exhaust mods.

The 380 has tons of potential; a larger engine with hi po cams restricted by intake and exhaust. The chassis is 200% ahead of the Magna, you can't compare them.

$60,000 ??!! WTF?

you can't pay more than $45k for a 380 right now, and the TMR has brakes, body kit, rims, and a blower. that's not worth another $15k, and if it's not based on the GT but based on the VRX, it's another $21k to $23k.

you're better off buying a VRX and dropping $15k on the upgrades.

priced right (~$50k), this would be a seller. and I don't think it would eat into Evo X sales that much (which is the excuse they're giving).

cheers,
.wook

$60,000 ??!! WTF?

you can't pay more than $45k for a 380 right now, and the TMR has brakes, body kit, rims, and a blower. that's not worth another $15k, and if it's not based on the GT but based on the VRX, it's another $21k to $23k.


What you guys have to realise is that, they can't just bolt up the gear and off you go. They have to stringently test all the gear and make sure it stacks up to their reliability standards, meets all ADR rules and has maintenance back up parts etc... All of this costs allot of money, so that cost is factored into the final price.

What you guys have to realise is that, they can't just bolt up the gear and off you go. They have to stringently test all the gear and make sure it stacks up to their reliability standards, meets all ADR rules and has maintenance back up parts etc... All of this costs allot of money, so that cost is factored into the final price.
Was about to say the same thing, unfortunetly this will be the case, however Mitsubishi don't realise that flagships aren't there to make money, they're to bring interest into the showroom. I bet you alot of commodore drivers buy exec's because they love the SS or clubsport, same with falcons with the xr range.

A performance model won't fix sales. Just look at the Mazda6 MPS, that is AWD turbo but they have hardly sold any of them, and it didn't do anything to improve the level of sales of the normal models. It's a joke to think that they can compete with the Falcadores, they really just need to ensure that they are beating the Aurion first (2500 sales last month). They can only do that based on creature comforts and exterior styling, because the 380 is already a superior drive from what I've read.

they're to bring interest into the showroom.The difference with the XRs and the SS models is that they actually appeal to their fan base, and have some respectable performance to boot. The TMR380 was never going to be that good in the performance department - in all honesty it probably would have been flogged in a 0-100 by the Aurion.

Was about to say the same thing, unfortunetly this will be the case, however Mitsubishi don't realise that flagships aren't there to make money, they're to bring interest into the showroom. I bet you alot of commodore drivers buy exec's because they love the SS or clubsport, same with falcons with the xr range.

Most Omegas (the new exec) I see are either driven by old people, family people, or are fleet cars? Only billy bogan would think to buy a pov spec commo to 'do up'.

What you guys have to realise is that, they can't just bolt up the gear and off you go. They have to stringently test all the gear and make sure it stacks up to their reliability standards, meets all ADR rules and has maintenance back up parts etc... All of this costs allot of money, so that cost is factored into the final price.

all of that was taken into account when I dropped $7k on my s/c. the quality aftermarket parts have to adhere to ADRs as well, and most of them have a warranty (reliability). I'm saying there's no way that a blower, brakes, rims and body kit are worth more than $20k on top of the VRX model currently available.

let's break it down...

380 VRX - $37k(M) or $39k(A)
Sprintex Blower - less than $10k (installed and warrantied)
Brakes - ~$3k (considering they're the EVO Brembos)
Rims - ~$3k (19" ROHs, aren't they?)
Body kit - not sure, maybe $2k

total - less than $55k(M) or $57k(A)

take away from the the cost of the standard brakes and the standard VRX alloys and body kit, and you're pretty close to $50k.

it just doesn't add up to me. like I said, buy a VRX for $37k, drop $15k on mods and you're better off anyway (and you have VRX rims and brakes to sell).

cheers,
.wook

EDIT: oh yeah, those prices are estimates, but they're also retail, not wholesale/bulk. imagine the price break you'd get from ROH for 650 19" rims (for a run of 150 cars)!!

The difference with the XRs and the SS models is that they actually appeal to their fan base, and have some respectable performance to boot. The TMR380 was never going to be that good in the performance department - in all honesty it probably would have been flogged in a 0-100 by the Aurion.
Hmmm i guess i'll just have to disagree with you there, i'm a mitsubishi fan and the TMR380 definitely appealed to me as a hero car. I also believe if they had the time/money that when it was finally released, the performance would have been quite compareable to an SS/XR8. I guess we'll never know now.


Most Omegas (the new exec) I see are either driven by old people, family people, or are fleet cars? Only billy bogan would think to buy a pov spec commo to 'do up'.
Hmmm i see alot of 20-40 year olds driving the new commodore, taking off quickly at the lights etc., though i do live in pakenham :P. It's not just bogans, the reason i bought my TJII was because i absolutely loved the Ralliart magna, but this was as close as i could get with the money i had. This is why i understand how the hero car things works, unless i'm just not normal and the only one in Australia that thinks like this :P.

I have to say Im disapointed, althou its prob a blessing in disguise.... 2008 Typhoon, 300kw, Ill be seriously lookin

Hmmm i see alot of 20-40 year olds driving the new commodore, taking off quickly at the lights etc., though i do live in pakenham :P. It's not just bogans, the reason i bought my TJII was because i absolutely loved the Ralliart magna, but this was as close as i could get with the money i had. This is why i understand how the hero car things works, unless i'm just not normal and the only one in Australia that thinks like this :P.

Well, you'd thrash a car that wasn't yours wouldn't you (ie. fleet, company)? :P

all of that was taken into account when I dropped $7k on my s/c. the quality aftermarket parts have to adhere to ADRs as well, and most of them have a warranty (reliability). I'm saying there's no way that a blower, brakes, rims and body kit are worth more than $20k on top of the VRX model currently available.

let's break it down...

380 VRX - $37k(M) or $39k(A)
Sprintex Blower - less than $10k (installed and warrantied)
Brakes - ~$3k (considering they're the EVO Brembos)
Rims - ~$3k (19" ROHs, aren't they?)
Body kit - not sure, maybe $2k

total - less than $55k(M) or $57k(A)

take away from the the cost of the standard brakes and the standard VRX alloys and body kit, and you're pretty close to $50k.

it just doesn't add up to me. like I said, buy a VRX for $37k, drop $15k on mods and you're better off anyway (and you have VRX rims and brakes to sell).

cheers,
.wook

EDIT: oh yeah, those prices are estimates, but they're also retail, not wholesale/bulk. imagine the price break you'd get from ROH for 650 19" rims (for a run of 150 cars)!!
At least be a little more realistic with the pricing. I know you're guessing. The brakes are not "the brembos from the EVO" They're 6 piston Alcon racing brakes up front which would retail around $7k just for the fronts. Blower, rims and kit you're probably right, but you're forgetting the helical LSD too which is another $2k-$3k. Also you're forgetting the recaros which are another $2k easy, then you're also forgetting the fully adjustable koni suspension which is another $3k-$4k. So already you're another $11k-$12k up on your estimation which is probably a lot closer to the real pricing. Then add extras like fitment and ADR compliance for the vehicle etc etc. Really starts to become clear. Then think about the SS and the Turdboat, those cars don't have HALF that gear.

Hmmm i guess i'll just have to disagree with you there, i'm a mitsubishi fan and the TMR380 definitely appealed to me as a hero car. I also believe if they had the time/money that when it was finally released, the performance would have been quite compareable to an SS/XR8. I guess we'll never know now.It was running around mid 7 seconds when wheels and motor had the concept car - the new SS-V does it in about 6 seconds. Really, if your going to spend $50,000+ on a car - would you buy a supercharged front wheel drive Mitsubishi, or a rear wheel drive v8 or turbo.

There was little market for the car, and probably even less bragging rights.

It was running around mid 7 seconds when wheels and motor had the concept car - the new SS-V does it in about 6 seconds. Really, if your going to spend $50,000+ on a car - would you buy a supercharged front wheel drive Mitsubishi, or a rear wheel drive v8 or turbo.

There was little market for the car, and probably even less bragging rights.
Don't magazine race mate. Those jokers couldn't drive a car if their hair was on fire. They ran what... 8.5 or something 0-100 for the Aurion and like a 16 sec quarter? Aurion will go 0-100 in under 7 and quarter in under 15 easily, I've driven a couple to know this. It all depends on taste too my friend. I for one would never buy a turbo taxi (ford) and those VE commos ride and drive like a big pork chop.

It was running around mid 7 seconds when wheels and motor had the concept car - the new SS-V does it in about 6 seconds. Really, if your going to spend $50,000+ on a car - would you buy a supercharged front wheel drive Mitsubishi, or a rear wheel drive v8 or turbo.

There was little market for the car, and probably even less bragging rights.
Yeh that's fair enough but I really think the potential was there to get down into the 6's (maybe not quite a flat 6, who knows). Wheels/motor have under estimated the magna in the past so it's possible.
Me personally would buy a supercharged FWD IF they set it up to correctly handle the power, as i'm used to driving FWD's and feel more comfortable driving them.

Yeh little market is true, but take a look at the ralliart magna. Highly underated car at the time it was released and is only now starting to get the recognition it deserved with it's price coming down with depreciation. Pretty sure it was the fastest locally built N/A 6 isn't it?

Anyway hopefully we see the TMR380 re-surface, it did look sweet. Which makes me think, will they sell off the prototype? Wonder how much that'd go for.

Yeh little market is true, but take a look at the ralliart magna. Highly underated car at the time it was released and is only now starting to get the recognition it deserved with it's price coming down with depreciation. Pretty sure it was the fastest locally built N/A 6 isn't it?Yeah MMAL is quite good at producing the most under-rated vehicles in Australia. I'm pretty sure the VRX/Ralli-art had the mantle until the BA XR6T came onto the scene - although there was a Tickford AUIII XR6 HP model which may have the win.

At least be a little more realistic with the pricing. I know you're guessing. The brakes are not "the brembos from the EVO" They're 6 piston Alcon racing brakes up front which would retail around $7k just for the fronts.
fair enough... I was going from memory, but they probably wouldn't put the Alcon brakes on it when they have access to the Brembos from the EVO, right?


Blower, rims and kit you're probably right, but you're forgetting the helical LSD too which is another $2k-$3k.
forgot about that. you can get a Quaife LSD for less than $2k RETAIL, so I would say $2k tops for WHOLESALE for about any diff you want to put in there.


Also you're forgetting the recaros which are another $2k easy,
they would NEVER put Recaro's in it. come on, it's not an EVO, it's a 380.


then you're also forgetting the fully adjustable koni suspension which is another $3k-$4k.
no where near $3k... I just got fully adjustable Koni's put in for less than $1500 RETAIL.


So already you're another $11k-$12k up on your estimation which is probably a lot closer to the real pricing.
actually, probably more like another $3k tops. and you have to account for the OE kit that doesn't get used. I know car dealers don't like to do that (like with a car that comes with 17" alloys worth about $2k, but to upgrade to 18" still costs the full price of those rims :nuts:).


Then add extras like fitment and ADR compliance for the vehicle etc etc. Really starts to become clear.
not really... all of those things are easily compliable (it cost me less than $1k to get all my mods complied). and again, all of those prices are RETAIL. MMAL would be able to get 150 Helical LSDs for a bargain price, compared to me walking in off the street asking for 1 unit.


Then think about the SS and the Turdboat, those cars don't have HALF that gear.

agreed. and until a local manufacturer makes a car that have quality parts in them, all of them will claim that it's too expensive to do.

I just don't believe that the price was going to be around $60k... I think Japan have told them not to do it because of the EVO X.

cheers,
.wook

Anyway hopefully we see the TMR380 re-surface, it did look sweet. Which makes me think, will they sell off the prototype? Wonder how much that'd go for.

I have already asked my boss if I can have the one downstairs....he has no sense of humour...I would give it a good home...:bowrofl:

Sprintex Blower - less than $10k (installed and warrantied)

If this was to be sold through MMAL, then it'll have to have allot more then a 12 month warranty (witch is what you get through Sprintex. The cost of actually testing the blower coupled to an engine over an extended period of time to show if is there will be any weaknesses cost allot of money. That would add to the final cost. And the testing will actually apply to all and any items fitted to the car. MMC does not let MMAL fit any items that aren't tested for 12 months.

TMR 380 was a concept they never promised it, most car companies make concepts that never make it, be realistic! there are very few ppl who are interested in a 380 for performance, yes there is a small group and it could shift some of the market from traditional rivals, but do u not think its more sensible to target and focus on the group who are most likely to buy a 380,

they are family conscious middle class adults who want a nice cruiser to get the kids to school and do the shopping and also travel a lil so it needs to be comfortable roomy and economical, box's ticked!

it is inivitable that some sort of ralliart edition 380 will come out sooner or later, NA FWD with some minor head work and cam work, new body styling and a few nice wank features. and im sure it will be way better than the S or XR6 but it wont have the backing and the RWD's will power on.

We know sprintex are tightlipped about a 380 s/c... who is to say that the s/c from the TMR 380 cant become a dealer option, aswell as a bunch of other performance parts,

perhaps 380 Ralliart enhanced dealer options are more appealing than an all out brawler?

personally i know id consider a blower down the track if it didnt void my warrantee.

I think theres alot of good to come from the TMR380 because of this ;)


oh snap, seems they were thinking what i was thinking lol, it was only logical parts of the TMR filter though normal production looks like the kit is on the new VRX, who knows what else maybe pop its head up along the track ... so yer dont despair

no doubt if the Ralliart name comes back, i'd think we'd see a watered down version of the TMR380, no blower, but maybe 190-210kws? its possible (tho more likely for a customer to do it first :doubt: )