ES (M/T & A/T) - added fog lamps, 16" alloy wheels and traction control as std, new seat trim and sports bumper and grille (from SX S2)

SX (A/T) - added a power socket, new silver coloured seat trim insert, new 17" alloys and some coloured bits.

VR-X (M/T & A/T) - TMR body kit with bigger spoiler and red tail lamps, back to std cloth with optional leather with some colour options, new 17" alloys.

GT (A/T) - keeps clear lights with lip spoiler, can now get GTL option which looks like the LS/LX with chrome boot garnish and red tail lamps (and I think beige leather seats), restyled alloys & sports instrument cluster.

Sports (M/T & A/T) - the new Platinum pack based off ES with VR-X (TMR) spolier and 'Sports' Badge, sports suspension, 17" alloys, bluetooth & sunroof.

Burst (A/T) - based off the VR-X limited edition of 50 cars only with new colour called Fusion (sounds like a red but I think is the green (sub-lime), with matching seat trim and sunroof.


No engine upgrades, no extra air bags or other saftey equipment.

it was on the wheels web site, but its been removed from the looks of it. dave_au got in first http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?p=733589#post733589

It sounds like the VRX has actually gone backwards ?
Optional leather ? What the hell !?

And seriously, can someone explain 'body kits' to me ?
I just don't get it ?
If you want the car to look lower, get it lowered. Its cheaper.
Some model cars have aftermarket kits where you can essentially change the entire front and back of cars (I'm looking at you 300ZX :D ) , and I get that....but the skirts. Why ?

It sounds like the VRX has actually gone backwards ?
Optional leather ? What the hell !?

And seriously, can someone explain 'body kits' to me ?
I just don't get it ?
If you want the car to look lower, get it lowered. Its cheaper.
Some model cars have aftermarket kits where you can essentially change the entire front and back of cars (I'm looking at you 300ZX :D ) , and I get that....but the skirts. Why ?

i think you may find alot of ppl dont want leather seats due to being cold in mornings and sticky in summer ... so maybe thats why its an option now

i think you may find alot of ppl dont want leather seats due to being cold in mornings and sticky in summer ... so maybe thats why its an option now

I disagree, people would rather not get leather seats because they see it as an unnecessary and costly option. If you throw in leather for free, they will be popular because leather = prestige, and they get to keep up with the Jones'. Having leather seats has nothing to do with hot and cold when it comes to deciding. I have leather seats in my GTVi, leather sofa in my TV room, and I wear leather shoes, have leather wallet, wear a leather belt with my leather jacket. Can't beat it, and there is no substitute for it. Leather looks and feels luxurious, and thats whats appealing. The reason for MMAL to make it an option is because they are on a shoe string budget, and it brings the price of the car down.

imo i dont really care that leather is an option, as it was for all the TJ series magnas (TL and TW i think as well yeah), and only actually becomes standard kit in XI or GTV veradas (even on the Ei radas its dealer optional), so why have it as standard kit on the VRX? I'm sure there are actually quite a few family buyers who love the car, but think leather is too much upkeep, or could be ruined easier, and so dont pay the extra for it, and the leather models become rarer. its wise on MMAL's part to do it as an option, if u think about it

The VRX always had leather as an option, there are a million and one cloth 380 VRX's.

The VRX always had leather as an option, there are a million and one cloth 380 VRX's.

Series 1 was optional.
Series 2 was standard.

Not surprising from Mitsu. Mix and match bits here and there onto different models. No power upgrades. Only thing good is the VRX now with the TMR kit. Will look hot slammed on 20s. Pity about the supercharger tho...

ES (M/T & A/T) - added fog lamps, 16" alloy wheels and traction control as std, new seat trim and sports bumper and grille (from SX S2)

SX (A/T) - added a power socket, new silver coloured seat trim insert, new 17" alloys and some coloured bits.

VR-X (M/T & A/T) - TMR body kit with bigger spoiler and red tail lamps, back to std cloth with optional leather with some colour options, new 17" alloys.

GT (A/T) - keeps clear lights with lip spoiler, can now get GTL option which looks like the LS/LX with chrome boot garnish and red tail lamps (and I think beige leather seats), restyled alloys & sports instrument cluster.

Sports (M/T & A/T) - the new Platinum pack based off ES with VR-X (TMR) spolier and 'Sports' Badge, sports suspension, 17" alloys, bluetooth & sunroof.

Burst (A/T) - based off the VR-X limited edition of 50 cars only with new colour called Fusion (sounds like a red but I think is the green (sub-lime), with matching seat trim and sunroof.


No engine upgrades, no extra air bags or other saftey equipment.


With the new Commodore and Aurion on sale, and the new Falcon now planned for a late 2007 launch this will definately not be enough from Mitsubishi. All these cars will now significantly outshine 380 in any showroom. Even financially struggling Ford have added ESC standard to the outgoing Falcon, as they know it is a must have to compete with its current competitors!!!!! Let's all hope this 380 series 3 info isn't really it?????

Where's the extra safety gear, the esc, the mivec motor. All this stuff is available on the 380's near identical cousin the Galant in the US (check out Mitsubishi US website), so obviously there are no long term plans to keep the 380 going as an Aussie built car.

Seems the 380's future has already been signed off on, and its not good.

Don't want to bag the 380, love my Mistubishi's but this car really doesn't cut it in the current market......what does it really offer equipment wise that a 2004 TL Magna didn't have????

Seems the 380's future has already been signed off on, and its not good.

damn... and you can take that to the bank !

u really think a series update would get a new motor etc? jees talk about delusional! theres talk of a model update next year, thats wen MMAL will likely add the necessary updates (ESC, Curtain airbags) imo. Why would they add them now wen theyre hardly selling? Just wait, and dont get tied up in 'he said it gets Mivec, she said it gets turbo, he said it gets jetpower' nonsense. if it happens, it happens.

u really think a series update would get a new motor etc? jees talk about delusional! theres talk of a model update next year, thats wen MMAL will likely add the necessary updates (ESC, Curtain airbags) imo. Why would they add them now wen theyre hardly selling? Just wait, and dont get tied up in 'he said it gets Mivec, she said it gets turbo, he said it gets jetpower' nonsense. if it happens, it happens.

I think you will find there is no plan for a new model/shape...the original plan was scrapped ! The 380 in its current shape is here to stay for as long as it can survive. Mitsubishi expected the 380 shape to be around for 5 years before changing the shape. But there is no way that there will be a replacement for the 380, because that announcement was already made by Tom Philips at the time. He admitted the 380 is to be the make or break for the company. He bailed out when the going got tough. .... "If you can find a better backed job anywhere - then take it."

Maybe the optimists are expecting a new 380 to come along with extra features, better motor, and then compete with new model GM and Ford, all this and stay profitable, but do you really think so? And thats at the time when the big players are struggling to compete.

... I'll be the first to tell them "mate your dreeeaaaming" !

I think you will find there is no plan for a new model/shape...the original plan was scrapped ! The 380 in its current shape is here to stay for as long as it can survive. Mitsubishi expected the 380 shape to be around for 5 years before changing the shape. But there is no way that there will be a replacement for the 380, because that announcement was already made by Tom Philips at the time. He admitted the 380 is to be the make or break for the company. He bailed out when the going got tough. .... "If you can find a better backed job anywhere - then take it."

Maybe the optimists are expecting a new 380 to come along with extra features, better motor, and then compete with new model GM and Ford, all this and stay profitable, but do you really think so? And thats at the time when the big players are struggling to compete.

... I'll be the first to tell them "mate your dreeeaaaming" !


Well said.

No point talking about updates for next year, if 380 had a future they would have been in the series 3. The things it is missing now are what is causing it's massive sales slump. No use adding them in 6 months time, when the opposition has advanced even more.

It already looks very shakey against the current models, how will it look when the new lancer launches at the end of this year with esc, 7 airbags, etc etc........

The only thing that will keep sales slowly ticking over with the current package is further huge discounts to try and entice fleet/government/rental etc. The 380 in it's current form is not a true competitor for new Commodore, Aurion, or even current Falcon (let alone the new model falcon which is now to be launched before the end of 2007!!!!)

I think we are all just very disappointed, as we know how good the 'basic' package is!

u really think a series update would get a new motor etc? jees talk about delusional! theres talk of a model update next year, thats wen MMAL will likely add the necessary updates (ESC, Curtain airbags) imo. Why would they add them now wen theyre hardly selling? Just wait, and dont get tied up in 'he said it gets Mivec, she said it gets turbo, he said it gets jetpower' nonsense. if it happens, it happens.


Hmmmmm......why add updates now when it is hardly selling. Are you serious???? Would the simple answer be to probably try and sell some more cars, and be competitive against it's direct competition!!!:)

There is a good reason why Falcon and Commodore have gone feature for feature, and update for update for decades. The same reason that Magna so successfully previously matched this formula in the past, and actually sold in big numbers!

The same reason that the new Aurion is such a well rounded package to attempt to break in on this. And this unfortunately is what the current 380 is so desperately missing!!!! It is well behind the competition in the standard features that sell in the year 2007, not to mention that its rivals are yet to release their updated models (especially new Falcon)

Very sad as a magna/380 fan cause the basic package is so good, could have been an awesome car that appears will never see it's potential......oh well, if only.

I really hope that this is only a taste of things to come. I really like the 380, but I feel that unless an unlikely upgrade similar to that done to the Falcon from AU to BA models, it won't generate many more sales.

It's sad, because from what I've read, it's a better car to drive than the Aurion, but the interior quality and feel are not up to par, and I think that's important for the kind of people that are looking for a large family car.

Why is it there are 2 people who visit this forum and only talk about how the 380 is going to die, the writing is on the wall, the basic package is good but the car is dead etc etc? Why don't you idiots get some hard evidence before rambling on with this ficticious dribble? It's making my forum reading experience redundant seeing you two dildos ramble on with the same nonsense thread after thread.

Why is it there are 2 people who visit this forum and only talk about how the 380 is going to die, the writing is on the wall, the basic package is good but the car is dead etc etc? Why don't you idiots get some hard evidence before rambling on with this ficticious dribble? It's making my forum reading experience redundant seeing you two dildos ramble on with the same nonsense thread after thread.


The purpose of a forum is to discuss everything good or bad.
Otherwise it wouldn't really be a forum would it if we censored out everything bad/good, or that some didn't like.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion regardless whether it upsets your reading experience, that is what a free society is about. If you don't like, don't read......Easy.
Do you read news papers, watch the news???

Unfortunately the problem arises in any forum when someone can't discuss a topic intelligently, maturely, and starts with personal attacks rather then concentrating on the topic.

PS I would call leaked documents from MMAL itself pretty good hard evidence worth discussion in a forum that is ment to be about 380/Magna!

Not surprising from Mitsu. Mix and match bits here and there onto different models. No power upgrades. Only thing good is the VRX now with the TMR kit. Will look hot slammed on 20s. Pity about the supercharger tho...

The kit on the VRX isn't the kit from the TMR. They are similar, but slightly different designs. Dont ask why we made two kits almost identical.........its just they way things work around here.

PS I would call leaked documents from MMAL itself pretty good hard evidence worth discussion in a forum that is ment to be about 380/Magna!
MMAL have claimed those "leaked documents" were an independant company doing research into possible outcomes. They could be lieing, but they may not be.
Like i said in a similar thread, i don't believe Mitsubishi will shut up shop until it actually happens.

People rambling about how crap the 380 is and how it's going to die, is the very reason why it is going to die.

Dont you all think that its about time everyone stops speculating about what may or may not happen with the 380 and just take the facts?

-It IS a well build car
-It has good styling as per the market area they have targeted
-Great price
-Great warrantee
-380 has held its resale aswell as the 2 other major aussie family cars

so doom sayers , put it to rest it is a good car.

Now for what ever reason it may or may not be selling NO ONE KNOWS! there are so many reasons and variables thats its just dumb to blame any one thing, or even get an indepth discussion.

PPL who bagged mitsu for not putting out the TMR... well if one was released would you have really brought one anyways ...would you? i bet not, and if they did release it and it didnt sell well all those of you who are bagging mitsu hnow would be on their case saying they should have learnt their lession with the ralliart TJ ....

its very easy to wait till something does not work and point the finger at this this and upon reflection, and seems no matter what they do alot of ppl will just bag mitsu regardless as they can never be right:nuts:

i think alot of ppl need to realise yes its a great car that is not selling as well as other, mitsu does not have an endless bank account and need to develope care to a budget as any company does, mitsu are not targeting the average demorgraphic of this FORUM there for a TMR is not vital for sales....take the previous ralliart tj for example sold not to well when released.

Also i find it interesting those ppl who bag out such cars, if they have driven the car, or just looked on a piece of paper for stats, and i wonder if the said car is actually what they are looking for, and not trying tp pretend a comfortable family car should be some kind of drag car.

^ one of the most sensible posts so far...

Dont you all think that its about time everyone stops speculating about what may or may not happen with the 380 and just take the facts?

-It IS a well build car
-It has good styling as per the market area they have targeted
-Great price
-Great warrantee
-380 has held its resale aswell as the 2 other major aussie family cars

so doom sayers , put it to rest it is a good car.

Now for what ever reason it may or may not be selling NO ONE KNOWS! there are so many reasons and variables thats its just dumb to blame any one thing, or even get an indepth discussion.

PPL who bagged mitsu for not putting out the TMR... well if one was released would you have really brought one anyways ...would you? i bet not, and if they did release it and it didnt sell well all those of you who are bagging mitsu hnow would be on their case saying they should have learnt their lession with the ralliart TJ ....

its very easy to wait till something does not work and point the finger at this this and upon reflection, and seems no matter what they do alot of ppl will just bag mitsu regardless as they can never be right:nuts:

i think alot of ppl need to realise yes its a great car that is not selling as well as other, mitsu does not have an endless bank account and need to develope care to a budget as any company does, mitsu are not targeting the average demorgraphic of this FORUM there for a TMR is not vital for sales....take the previous ralliart tj for example sold not to well when released.

Also i find it interesting those ppl who bag out such cars, if they have driven the car, or just looked on a piece of paper for stats, and i wonder if the said car is actually what they are looking for, and not trying tp pretend a comfortable family car should be some kind of drag car.

Genius post.

I just don't get the talk about how it just can't match up against other brands either. From the reports I've read, while the other brands - slightly newer - large cars may have more power in the straight, comparison reports have talked about how well the 380 is balanced and how well it handles.

Australia is KW obsessed though. I'd love a Mazda RX-8 (...one day... :D ) and from all reports it may be the best handling car ever built (sub $100K of course)...yet so much of the time all I hear from people is that is has no turbo like the RX7 did !? Aren't people aware of how many speed cameras are around now ??

Genius post.

I just don't get the talk about how it just can't match up against other brands either. From the reports I've read, while the other brands - slightly newer - large cars may have more power in the straight, comparison reports have talked about how well the 380 is balanced and how well it handles.

Australia is KW obsessed though. I'd love a Mazda RX-8 (...one day... :D ) and from all reports it may be the best handling car ever built (sub $100K of course)...yet so much of the time all I hear from people is that is has no turbo like the RX7 did !? Aren't people aware of how many speed cameras are around now ??

I agree. And regarding the RX-8, it is a good match for the 350Z. Noth these cars posted identicle times as the more powerfull BMW M3, around the "top gear" test track . So power isn't everything, handling is a major part of it.

I agree. And regarding the RX-8, it is a good match for the 350Z. Noth these cars posted identicle times as the more powerfull BMW M3, around the "top gear" test track . So power isn't everything, handling is a major part of it.

Very true...although the guys from Top Gear hated the 350Z (I love it personally)....and the RX-8 is way cheaper than the Z or Beamer.
But I think I'm derailing this thread now :D

Aren't people aware of how many speed cameras are around now ??

Omg your right! I'm going to buy a prius! :p

Very true...although the guys from Top Gear hated the 350Z (I love it personally)....and the RX-8 is way cheaper than the Z or Beamer.
But I think I'm derailing this thread now :D



Lol think it needed derailing, was going around in circles.

Dont you all think that its about time everyone stops speculating about what may or may not happen with the 380 and just take the facts?

-It IS a well build car
-It has good styling as per the market area they have targeted
-Great price
-Great warrantee
-380 has held its resale aswell as the 2 other major aussie family cars

so doom sayers , put it to rest it is a good car.

Now for what ever reason it may or may not be selling NO ONE KNOWS! there are so many reasons and variables thats its just dumb to blame any one thing, or even get an indepth discussion.

PPL who bagged mitsu for not putting out the TMR... well if one was released would you have really brought one anyways ...would you? i bet not, and if they did release it and it didnt sell well all those of you who are bagging mitsu hnow would be on their case saying they should have learnt their lession with the ralliart TJ ....

its very easy to wait till something does not work and point the finger at this this and upon reflection, and seems no matter what they do alot of ppl will just bag mitsu regardless as they can never be right:nuts:

i think alot of ppl need to realise yes its a great car that is not selling as well as other, mitsu does not have an endless bank account and need to develope care to a budget as any company does, mitsu are not targeting the average demorgraphic of this FORUM there for a TMR is not vital for sales....take the previous ralliart tj for example sold not to well when released.

Also i find it interesting those ppl who bag out such cars, if they have driven the car, or just looked on a piece of paper for stats, and i wonder if the said car is actually what they are looking for, and not trying tp pretend a comfortable family car should be some kind of drag car.


frame that post! lol imo this whole thread (well, the 'vibe' of it) is like de-ja-vu of when the 380 came out in the 1st place, everyone bagged it coz it was different, and starting slanging off about how MMAL would shut up shop within 6 months, blah blah... and this was wat, 6-12months ago?? just gets annoying reading the same crap, when no doubt MMAL will still be around for a while. and if it closes in 6months, who cares really, might just mean that they'll import Galants from Japan to fill the void, and u all can still get ur Mitsu 'fix' ;)

, . and if it closes in 6months, who cares really, might just mean that they'll import Galants from Japan to fill the void, and u all can still get ur Mitsu 'fix' ;)

:nuts: :nuts: People in Adelaide , and those who loose job :rant: Why U wanna support Japs:nuts:

:nuts: :nuts: People in Adelaide , and those who loose job :rant: Why U wanna support Japs:nuts:

i dont, but if its inevitable, wat can be done? absolute sfa.

:nuts: :nuts: People in Adelaide , and those who loose job :rant: Why U wanna support Japs:nuts:

I seriously cannot understand this winging about the 380 SIII update. Yes it was a frustrating let down.
The fact is Mitsu is not going to close the ADL plant at least until the new model. Reason there is only 3 plants in the world which can manufacture Mitsu large cars (Galant/380) that is US, Aus & Taiwan. US & Taiwan only builds LHD models & Aus RHD models. Mitsu will have to invest money to build a RHD model in the Taiwan plant or the US plant. The Taiwan plant is not wholly owned by MMC as well. So until 2011 Mitsu will build 380s here. The production of the previous generation Galant model built in Japan stopped in 2005.

After 2011 when there will be an update to the large car from what I have read Mitsu has already signed off on the update and it will be a global model like the Lancer & Outlander.
Since the next model is global model they will sell it in every market, to do that you need considerable manufacturing capacity, therefore there is the possibility Mitsu will continue to manufacture in ADL.

I seriously cannot understand this winging about the 380 SIII update. Yes it was a frustrating let down.
The fact is Mitsu is not going to close the ADL plant at least until the new model. Reason there is only 3 plants in the world which can manufacture Mitsu large cars (Galant/380) that is US, Aus & Taiwan. US & Taiwan only builds LHD models & Aus RHD models. Mitsu will have to invest money to build a RHD model in the Taiwan plant or the US plant. The Taiwan plant is not wholly owned by MMC as well. So until 2011 Mitsu will build 380s here. The production of the previous generation Galant model built in Japan stopped in 2005.

After 2011 when there will be an update to the large car from what I have read Mitsu has already signed off on the update and it will be a global model like the Lancer & Outlander.
Since the next model is global model they will sell it in every market, to do that you need considerable manufacturing capacity, therefore there is the possibility Mitsu will continue to manufacture in ADL.

Kanchanah has layed the smacketh downeth :rocket:

Kanchanah has layed the smacketh downeth :rocket:


Gee we all hope you are right Kanchanah.

But what do you make of the Project Phoenix report leaked from MMAL itself, which lists current CEO Robert Mcinery as head of the 2008 closure project. Remembering that this is from late 2006, not the early crap that was floating around prior to the 380's launch, and subsequent poor sales performance.


http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2006/s1772688.htm


Also the info that is coming from forum members that are MMAL employee's, that state they are currently working on no updates minor or otherwise, and have been reduced to very small staffing levels with no current work to undertake? You'd think that if anyone wanted to remain positive, and talk the 380's survival up it would be them!!!

Lets just all hope that 380 can hang around, and that a decision hasn't already been made. Would be awesome to see a litle more time and money for the 380 to become the car it deserves to be. Maybe with the price reductions, and the news that it now has the HIGHEST resale value of the big four family cars, it will help sales along somewhat especially the very profitable fleet markets. Unfortunately I can't see the series 3 update enticing more private buyers then it is currently getting. Just doesn't offer enough. Only my opinion of course, and would love to be proven wrong about this!

Just imagine though if the money had existed even to add just curtains airbags and esc like the US Galant has.

These two simple items would have made 380 the only Australian made car with a 5 star ancap safety rating!!!! (its currently a very high 4 stars, with a score close to what it's competition are getting that already have these items!!!)

Imagine that for a selling point alone in a 'family' car!!!!

Gee hope you are right Kanchanah.

But what do you make of the leaked :

http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2006/s1772688.htm

How many times are you going to pedal that 8 month old ABC report out wilsact? Did you read the Wheels magazine article in November of that year? The one showing that the ABC has been predicting MMAL's closedown for 7 years and it still hasn't happened? If you believe whats on the ABC then I'm sure you will be shocked to learn The Banana's in Pajama's are not really banana's.....:gtfo:

How many times are you going to pedal that 8 month old ABC report out wilsact? Did you read the Wheels magazine article in November of that year? The one showing that the ABC has been predicting MMAL's closedown for 7 years and it still hasn't happened? If you believe whats on the ABC then I'm sure you will be shocked to learn The Banana's in Pajama's are not really banana's.....:gtfo:
And also that this "leaked" document was an independant company who did the report, suggesting, yes suggesting this as an option. Doesn't mean Mitsubish have taken it, which by the looks of it, it hasn't.

OMG!!! teh abc has foreseen the closure of mmal!!!... again... all is doomed!!!.... again... :doubt:

How many times are you going to pedal that 8 month old ABC report out wilsact? Did you read the Wheels magazine article in November of that year? The one showing that the ABC has been predicting MMAL's closedown for 7 years and it still hasn't happened? If you believe whats on the ABC then I'm sure you will be shocked to learn The Banana's in Pajama's are not really banana's.....:gtfo:



I've brought it up twice for discussion, which incidently is less times then you have spoken about MMAL's doom and gloom. Twice is enough for me, just want some positives!

Remember that you are one of the so-called MMAL employees (read previous posts) who tells everyone that you have no work to do, that there is no money to spend, and the general doom and gloom, and that is why you have so much time to sit around on the forums....Make up your mind!!! Are you really a MMAL employee or not??????

If so add something positive then to bury the rumours etc!!!!!

Tell us about all the work you are doing on new updates, and the exciting plans that are underway for the future.

I don't believe everything I read, especially from the media. I just think this has some very interesting points, and it was a leaked MMAL document regardless of who undertook the study for them!!! If things are so rosey why was it even undertaken or leaked to begin with???
I hope it's wrong too, just think its worth discussion and opinions from others.

Attack the info not the man:)

Tell us about all the work you are doing on new updates, and the exciting plans that are underway for the future.

Look maybe workers at McDonald's can say that there is a new product coming out tomorrow but this is different! Most car projects take years to design and build and are full of new technology. You really think this guy is going to spill all the secrets of the company? Risk losing his job just so you can get some more goss?

Look maybe workers at McDonald's can say that there is a new product coming out tomorrow but this is different! Most car projects take years to design and build and are full of new technology. You really think this guy is going to spill all the secrets of the company? Risk losing his job just so you can get some more goss?

Of course not!!!!!!

But instead of saying that he works in the design department, and that they are down to hardly any staff with no work to do, maybe he could state some positives (if there really is any) to dispel articles like the Phoenix Report.......


Like 'we are busy, and working on new projects'....or even 'things are looking better'....that would be good enough for me:)


I think MMAL management would probably be least upset about him talking the companies future up, then telling everyone how bad it really is!!!!!

The public can only go off what they hear, whether that be closure rumours like the Phoenix Report, or rumours of a strong future, new updates/models etc!!!

to dispel articles like the Phoenix Report.......

You do realise that even the other local manufacturers probably have the same sort of studies undertaken to find out the best possible way for a closure if the need had ever arisen?

It's in their best interests to have back up plans (just in case) even if they have no intention of following through with them. They are just covering all bases ahead of time, being fairly large organisations, you need to know what to expect, and to have some sort of plan to follow should you need to do so.

Just cause the ABC managed to get hold of the Mitsubishi exit strategy, doesn't mean they are planning on acting on it anymore then any of the other car makers here.

These sort of articles fuel negative rumours witch unfortunately don't work in favour of a business. Speculation of MMALs closure (Thats been going on for year) is definitely hurting their sales, in turn making the possibility of closure seam more likely. They have tried in the past to rectify this (with press conferences), but obviously it hasn't worked, since people keep bringing them up again, just like you have.

You do realise that even the other local manufacturers probably have the same sort of studies undertaken to find out the best possible way for a closure if the need had ever arisen?

It's in their best interests to have back up plans (just in case) even if they have no intention of following through with them. They are just covering all bases ahead of time, being fairly large organisations, you need to know what to expect, and to have some sort of plan to follow should you need to do so.

Just cause the ABC managed to get hold of the Mitsubishi exit strategy, doesn't mean they are planning on acting on it anymore then any of the other car makers here.

These sort of articles fuel negative rumours witch unfortunately don't work in favour of a business. Speculation of MMALs closure (Thats been going on for year) is definitely hurting their sales, in turn making the possibility of closure seam more likely. They have tried in the past to rectify this (with press conferences), but obviously it hasn't worked, since people keep bringing them up again, just like you have.



Good point.

So bring up the positives to reassure that they aren't planning a 2008 closure.

I know Holden aren't as sales of Commodore are strong, and they have already spoken about Commodores next new model and then there's the strong exports.

I know Ford Australia aren't as they are about to release an all new Falcon, most likely by the end of the year. They have also recenetly announced they will possibly be exporting Falcon and possibly Territory soon.

I know Toyota Australian aren't because Camry and Aurion are selling well with strong exports set to improve further.

Now to MMAL. There are the rumours, the leaked reports, the very minor series 3 upgrade......So lets hear some positives so that the bad press doesn't hurt sales further. Where is the MMAL press releases, hints at where they are heading etc etc

I've brought it up twice for discussion, which incidently is less times then you have spoken about MMAL's doom and gloom. Twice is enough for me, just want some positives!

Remember that you are one of the so-called MMAL employees (read previous posts) who tells everyone that you have no work to do, that there is no money to spend, and the general doom and gloom, and that is why you have so much time to sit around on the forums....Make up your mind!!! Are you really a MMAL employee or not??????

If so add something positive then to bury the rumours etc!!!!!

Tell us about all the work you are doing on new updates, and the exciting plans that are underway for the future.

I don't believe everything I read, especially from the media. I just think this has some very interesting points, and it was a leaked MMAL document regardless of who undertook the study for them!!! If things are so rosey why was it even undertaken or leaked to begin with???
I hope it's wrong too, just think its worth discussion and opinions from others.

Attack the info not the man:)

If you want positive then dont drag up half as*ed articles from a year ago that have been put to bed numerous times. So-called Employee? See the big building in the back of my avatar? That would be the MMAL plant. If I had positive news dont you think I would be jumping up and down and advertising it far and wide?

As for atttacking the info not the man, as has been said in other threads, and I have re-iterated here, stop dragging up BS info from 8 months ago. You want positive, then create threads towards positive, not rehashed drivel.

Good point.

So bring up the positives to reassure that they aren't planning a 2008 closure.

MMAL have said themselves many, many times that they have invested so much money that they will be in business till at least 2011 (regardless of sales). After that no one knows.

im starting to get motion sickness from the circles this thread is taking... :blah:

im starting to get motion sickness from the circles this thread is taking... :blah:

Amen Ffeeky nuff said.

Amen Ffeeky nuff said.

I heard on ABC that MMAL is closing next year!! Can you elaborate?

Jokes aside, I agree. lol

my god is this project pheonix crap still going round? This has already been explained by MMAL, see like all companies MMAL has to excercise proper corporate governance, that includes evaluating all possible alternatives going forward. To do that they got independant companies to put together their own report as to what was the best course of action going forward. Project Phoenix was but one of a number of independant reports they received as to what they should do going forward. This report, like the other reports MMAL sought and received, was reveiwed by the MMAL, however it was catagorically REJECTED by MMAL as not in the best interests of both MMAL and MMC. Project Phoenix was nothing more then an independant report presented to MMAL by a private company suggesting to them what they thought MMAL should do, it was not a report made by MMAL outlining their future plans.

wilsact if you want your opinions on this issue to be respected then please stop trotting out this tired old article that has been proven time and time again to be a load of rubbish. The ABC is a very left wing news agency and has been for a very long time, they have a number of strong agenda's including climate change, getting labor elected and smearing MMAL. No one can work out why the ABC has such a strong agenda against MMAL but the fact is they have been telling everyone that a closure to mitsubishi's australian operations was "iminant" for the last 7 years, and ALL of their reports have been proven to be massively incorrect in the fullness of time

Now to MMAL. There are the rumours, the leaked reports, the very minor series 3 upgrade......So lets hear some positives so that the bad press doesn't hurt sales further. Where is the MMAL press releases, hints at where they are heading etc etc

how about june being mitsubishi's 3rd highest sales month EVER in australia? How about the fact that even tho 1000 units a month is hardly big numbers, they are still turning a (albiet small) profit on 380 production? How about the fact that MMAL are AHEAD of their structured repayment plan for their funds borrowed from MMC?

you are aware that despite the fact that the orion falcon is just around the corner, ford australia are in quite alot more strife then MMAL arent you? you are aware they are about to close down one of their australian manufacturing plants? (the engine plant for those who dont know)

wilscat, i know you just claim to be the messenger, but you DO seem to be only interested in evidence to support your argument... maybe im doing the same?

Gee we all hope you are right Kanchanah.

But what do you make of the Project Phoenix report leaked from MMAL itself, which lists current CEO Robert Mcinery as head of the 2008 closure project. Remembering that this is from late 2006, not the early crap that was floating around prior to the 380's launch, and subsequent poor sales performance.


http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2006/s1772688.htm


Also the info that is coming from forum members that are MMAL employee's, that state they are currently working on no updates minor or otherwise, and have been reduced to very small staffing levels with no current work to undertake? You'd think that if anyone wanted to remain positive, and talk the 380's survival up it would be them!!!

Lets just all hope that 380 can hang around, and that a decision hasn't already been made. Would be awesome to see a litle more time and money for the 380 to become the car it deserves to be. Maybe with the price reductions, and the news that it now has the HIGHEST resale value of the big four family cars, it will help sales along somewhat especially the very profitable fleet markets. Unfortunately I can't see the series 3 update enticing more private buyers then it is currently getting. Just doesn't offer enough. Only my opinion of course, and would love to be proven wrong about this!

Just imagine though if the money had existed even to add just curtains airbags and esc like the US Galant has.

These two simple items would have made 380 the only Australian made car with a 5 star ancap safety rating!!!! (its currently a very high 4 stars, with a score close to what it's competition are getting that already have these items!!!)

Imagine that for a selling point alone in a 'family' car!!!!

Every manufacturer does studies to verify the viability of production. There are few things MMAL would have to consider before closing the plant, availability of alternative product to replace the 380 (require more investment to have a viable alternative), to minimise impact on the brand (the sales of the imported cars will suffer due to the negative publicity, it will take years for MMC regain the current sales volume), investment already made in the plant for the 380,………..
The ninth generation Galant uses a platform called PS. There are only 3 plants which can manufacture PS platform models (US, Aus & Taiwan). US & the Taiwan plant only manufactures LHD cars. Read the Links below to get an understanding about the Mitsu's large car.
Ninth generation PS platform
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_PS_platform
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_Galant

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_380

I think that all the negatives coming form the MMAL office staff to be more of a concern than any leaked document. After all, if the people who build the products have the wrong attitude, and no pride, then what hope is their to quell the rumors, like a cancer, of MMAL following a destructive path.

how about june being mitsubishi's 3rd highest sales month EVER in australia? How about the fact that even tho 1000 units a month is hardly big numbers, they are still turning a (albiet small) profit on 380 production? How about the fact that MMAL are AHEAD of their structured repayment plan for their funds borrowed from MMC?

you are aware that despite the fact that the orion falcon is just around the corner, ford australia are in quite alot more strife then MMAL arent you? you are aware they are about to close down one of their australian manufacturing plants? (the engine plant for those who dont know)

wilscat, i know you just claim to be the messenger, but you DO seem to be only interested in evidence to support your argument... maybe im doing the same?
:clap:
Well said mate. Wilsact seems to be ignoring some very important facts against his argument, like the fact that the 380 costs considerably less than the competition, but yet lacks ESC and curtain airbags, which makes it an auto failure :doubt:. Wilsact - for someone who wants the 380 to succeed, you're only focusing on the negative points of the 380 and your opinion sounds like it's based more off what you've "heard" more than what you "know". There's a big difference.

FORD are in trouble yes, but i believe they will pull through, so will Mitsubishi. If history has taught us anything about these 2 companies, is that they take on the challenge of rebuilding sales and will succeed.

I think that all the negatives coming form the MMAL office staff to be more of a concern than any leaked document. After all, if the people who build the products have the wrong attitude, and no pride, then what hope is their to quell the rumors, like a cancer, of MMAL following a destructive path.

You can call my comments negatives, but unfortunately they are facts, unlike most of the rumour mill junk stated as fact. As for the wrong attitude, and not having pride, MMAL has and will build and design the best cars THAT WE CAN GIVEN THE RESOURCESI I love MMAL if I didn't then I would be in my 23rd year with the company. How do you think the people at MMAL have managed to get through so many years of bs from the media and others if we dont have pride in what we do and what we build? The TMR380, although not going into production, was generated by MMAL because they have passion for the product. Same as the Ralliart and AWD. Who do you think made those models happen? MMC? What I put on these forums is here to inform people. So many get wound up over what they heard could be coming, ride the build up, and when it doesn't happen start bagging MMAL for letting them down. My information is to try and stop the hype. I would love to tell you all that the world is rosy and soon we will sell more cars than any other australian car maker, and they will be cars everyone will want to buy, but I like to live in reality. Reality is MMAL are doing it tough, but we are still here, and intend to be for a long time. End Rant:D

You can call my comments negatives, but unfortunately they are facts, unlike most of the rumour mill junk stated as fact. As for the wrong attitude, and not having pride, MMAL has and will build and design the best cars THAT WE CAN GIVEN THE RESOURCESI I love MMAL if I didn't then I would be in my 23rd year with the company. How do you think the people at MMAL have managed to get through so many years of bs from the media and others if we dont have pride in what we do and what we build? The TMR380, although not going into production, was generated by MMAL because they have passion for the product. Same as the Ralliart and AWD. Who do you think made those models happen? MMC? What I put on these forums is here to inform people. So many get wound up over what they heard could be coming, ride the build up, and when it doesn't happen start bagging MMAL for letting them down. My information is to try and stop the hype. I would love to tell you all that the world is rosy and soon we will sell more cars than any other australian car maker, and they will be cars everyone will want to buy, but I like to live in reality. Reality is MMAL are doing it tough, but we are still here, and intend to be for a long time. End Rant:D

That would be a really good post to end this thread on :) well said

You can call my comments negatives, but unfortunately they are facts, unlike most of the rumour mill junk stated as fact. As for the wrong attitude, and not having pride, MMAL has and will build and design the best cars THAT WE CAN GIVEN THE RESOURCESI I love MMAL if I didn't then I would be in my 23rd year with the company. How do you think the people at MMAL have managed to get through so many years of bs from the media and others if we dont have pride in what we do and what we build? The TMR380, although not going into production, was generated by MMAL because they have passion for the product. Same as the Ralliart and AWD. Who do you think made those models happen? MMC? What I put on these forums is here to inform people. So many get wound up over what they heard could be coming, ride the build up, and when it doesn't happen start bagging MMAL for letting them down. My information is to try and stop the hype. I would love to tell you all that the world is rosy and soon we will sell more cars than any other australian car maker, and they will be cars everyone will want to buy, but I like to live in reality. Reality is MMAL are doing it tough, but we are still here, and intend to be for a long time. End Rant:D

Wow! How do you know I was talking specifically about YOU, or are you now a spokesperson for MMAL? I have my own sources, thank you very much, without your rant, or would you like me to quote some of your past statements?

Secondly, I said if people had the wrong attitude, I didn't say YOU had the wrong attitude.

There is nothing wrong with the pride and professionalism of the Factory workers, which is where I have my roots. 70+ years collectively with three immediate family members. And we probably know each other for all I know.

But now that you have replied in this way, it now makes me wonder if I have touched a sensitive nerve. Touche.

Now get back to work!

settle down lads, dont take this to a personal level. don't turn it into a screaming match,

Reality is MMAL are doing it tough, but we are still here, and intend to be for a long time. End Rant:D

could you PLEASE give us some kind of indication as to what, if anything, is going to happen when the current DB model 380 ends production? is there a mid-cycle update planned? a DC 380 for instance? or is MMAL waiting on the US galants eventual replacement to also become the DB 380's replacement? Is there ANYTHING you can tell us????? The very fact that there IS still a design department, even if staff levels are low, makes me think that you guys MUST be working on something! I cant imagine MMAL paying you guys to do NOTHING? Didnt MMAL poach an ex HSV designer or something? To my way of thinking, while theres still a design department, theres still hope, because a company that doesnt plan to build a car doesnt have a design department! simple as that!! so MMAL MUST be planning SOMETHING!

I couldn't tell you even if I did know RJL. There will always be a design department as long as production continues, to support the production line and for field problems that arise. There are no poached designers here. As I stated earlier I would love to be the bearer of wonderful news, but as they say no news is good news.

You can call my comments negatives, but unfortunately they are facts, unlike most of the rumour mill junk stated as fact. As for the wrong attitude, and not having pride, MMAL has and will build and design the best cars THAT WE CAN GIVEN THE RESOURCESI I love MMAL if I didn't then I would be in my 23rd year with the company. How do you think the people at MMAL have managed to get through so many years of bs from the media and others if we dont have pride in what we do and what we build? The TMR380, although not going into production, was generated by MMAL because they have passion for the product. Same as the Ralliart and AWD. Who do you think made those models happen? MMC? What I put on these forums is here to inform people. So many get wound up over what they heard could be coming, ride the build up, and when it doesn't happen start bagging MMAL for letting them down. My information is to try and stop the hype. I would love to tell you all that the world is rosy and soon we will sell more cars than any other australian car maker, and they will be cars everyone will want to buy, but I like to live in reality. Reality is MMAL are doing it tough, but we are still here, and intend to be for a long time. End Rant:D

amen.

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Guys,

Please lay off MagnaByDesign.
I think we are very fortunate to have someone from inside to give some views on here occassionally. If those views happen to be a little murky due to company confidentiality so be it.
There has been a lot of repeated fact and fiction about the future of the 380. Nothing in this thread is new. If MBD intimates he's a little tired of the speculation that is entirely understandable, it's being going on for years.
Also, the communication between MMC and MMAL is obviously not all it could or should be and we have to accept that. MMC right now could have plans noone in OZ knows anything about - the inscrutable japanese :badgrin: !

Peace, all.

Yes, I agree, lets all lay off MBD, and I wasn't picking on him personally, he just came forward and decided to stand up for what he stood for.

We should instead sympathize with the predicament he is in at MMAL, and we should all thank our lucky stars that he has been a blessing to this forum, and a credit for having someone on the inside providing such good and valuable information.

We wish him good luck, and we hold our breath and pray at night that he may bless us with good news, hopefully soon, and quash all of the very bad rumors.

lets put it this way if they do close ill believe when the sign is put up out the front of the factory until then business as usual

Great car but where is the AWD??

I know MMAL are not doing the best at the moment but surely, if promoted right, would be a great car.

There are no plans for an AWD.

Having just read through this thread and others as I've been away (from internet access) for almost 2 weeks, all I can say is geez Louise! I cannot believe the same-old sheer unintelligible drivel that is coming from some of you in this thread.

To address all missives:

> This is a series 3 update of the 380 DB Series of cars. To expect anything more than light cosmetic changes in and out, model restructure/pricing changes, is incredibly naive.

> 2008 has been in the pipeline for a mid-life major model upgrade since the 380's release, where we can expect to see at least some form of drivetrain, safety and other mechanical enhancements, along with a facelift of sorts etc. If not, then and ONLY then would it be cause for concern.

> The next person who dares to view themselves as the ultimate VIP in spreading doom and gloom about the apparent imminent demise of the 380, and MMAL for that matter, will come across as nothing more than a vindictive, pathetic little sycophant. Make sure you back your claims with hard evidence, rather than just hearsay and basing it on the idea that this mild update inconceivably lacks AWD, drivetrain update, significant facelift, and other major mechanical and safety upgrades (see TE-TF-TH, TJMY02-TJ2, TL-TW).

> Some of you need to learn not to believe the old rumour mill with blind faith. If you did then the VE Omega would come standard with 17s, TRD Aurion would be AWD, and the upcoming Orion Falcon would have already been released earlier this year.

> Unless you have, or are, intimately involved with/employed by a car manufacturer, there is no way of knowing the intricacies of the processes involved.

> As MagnaByDesign has said, if MMAL had the cash, they'd hastily deliver the goods; from AWD to s'charger to ESP to a proper design department etc to you name it. After all, do you think they're stupid?

>About 18 months ago I met some MMAL employees (who are no longer there bar 1), and whilst the mood wasn't always great, they truly love the Magna/Verada, and the 380, have a passion for their work and would genuinely do whatever possible to ensure the car succeeds; and given my passion for the car they even encouraged me to draft a proposal for the 380 with my own ideas for the car after speaking to them at last years Melbourne Motor Show.

> As confirmed time and time, and time, and time (etc) again, the 380's current gen lifecycle will end in either 2010 or 2011, depending on what, if anything, replaces it. The fact that MMAL are in heavy discussions with MMC re a replacement for 380 by then is a good sign.

> There is NO EVIDENCE. I repeat, NO EVIDENCE, nor even a hint, that MMAL will shut-up shop before the end of the decade. Thanks to the recent success of imports, 380 production has become more financially viable. Only until there is hard evidence stating otherwise should an intelligent discussion (if possible...) take place.

With all that in mind, let's support the 380, as I and others have tried to do, because as we know (those who've driven and bought one), it really is a great car. :)

> 2008 has been in the pipeline for a mid-life major model upgrade since the 380's release, where we can expect to see at least some form of drivetrain, safety and other mechanical enhancements, along with a facelift of sorts etc. If not, then and ONLY then would it be cause for concern.


I don't know what you mean by "pipeline", but if you are refering to a plan, like for instance a systematic arrangement of items, or drawing diagrams, or even perspective rendering of such diagrams, or even a program that purports a policy with definitive details, then I am sad to say to you that there is none. And if your premiss for this mid-life MAJOR model upgrade, for which these plans must exist now, and not later, are based on the supposed "pipeline" then where is your evidence?
Changes to some of the items you listed I agree with, but a MAJOR model upgrade, to the expectation of the buyers market in 2008, it certainly wont be. Is this an issue for concern, now, or later?

I don't know what you mean by "pipeline", but if you are refering to a plan, like for instance a systematic arrangement of items, or drawing diagrams, or even perspective rendering of such diagrams, or even a program that purports a policy with definitive details, then I am sad to say to you that there is none. And if your premiss for this mid-life MAJOR model upgrade, for which these plans must exist now, and not later, are based on the supposed "pipeline" then where is your evidence?
Changes to some of the items you listed I agree with, but a MAJOR model upgrade, to the expectation of the buyers market in 2008, it certainly wont be. Is this an issue for concern, now, or later?
Yeah I mostly agree with you there, I suppose my point was that IF it weren't to be the case, and I never said it was an assurance, then by that stage there WOULD be cause for concern, given the probable improvements in 380's direct competition at that stage.

You seem to be involved there at Tonsley Park to a degree, but you yourself must make way for the real possiblity that no apparent plans/evidence for this already labelled mid-life update doesn't guarantee nothing will happen.

At the end of the day it's a glass half empty/half full situation.

I don't know what you mean by "pipeline", but if you are refering to a plan, like for instance a systematic arrangement of items, or drawing diagrams, or even perspective rendering of such diagrams, or even a program that purports a policy with definitive details, then I am sad to say to you that there is none. And if your premiss for this mid-life MAJOR model upgrade, for which these plans must exist now, and not later, are based on the supposed "pipeline" then where is your evidence?
Changes to some of the items you listed I agree with, but a MAJOR model upgrade, to the expectation of the buyers market in 2008, it certainly wont be. Is this an issue for concern, now, or later?

It’s disappointing MMAL didn’t do everything in the SIII Update. One thing is certain that MMAL will continue to build the 380s at least till 2011, due to few factors no alternative large car available to import (require investment to build a RHD Galant in the US plant or the Taiwan plant), impact on imported model sales due to negative publicity generated due to closing of the ADL Plant. From What I have heard Aus is MMC’s fourth largest market by volume (After Japan, US & Russia). So it’s important for MMC to maintain healthy sales of all products. There is the possibility that MMAL will build the MMCs next Generation Large car(RHD version), as the Japanese plants are struggling to cope with the demand for the Outlander, with the lancer to come it will be a continuing struggle for the Japanese plants meet global demand. So it’s likely that MMC will try to utilise the ADL plant to build the next large car & since it’s global model there will be more export opportunities, since it will be designed by MMC (with some US & Aussie input), it could be more similar to the Outlander & the Lancer. Also I wouldn’t expect major updates on the current model 380, until 2011 model.

http://goauto.com.au/mellor/mellor.nsf/story2/5191E0EEB70AF583CA25731600247594

http://wheelsmag.com.au/News/No+supercharger,+but+new+380+powers+on.html

I don't know what you mean by "pipeline", but if you are refering to a plan, like for instance a systematic arrangement of items, or drawing diagrams, or even perspective rendering of such diagrams, or even a program that purports a policy with definitive details, then I am sad to say to you that there is none. And if your premiss for this mid-life MAJOR model upgrade, for which these plans must exist now, and not later, are based on the supposed "pipeline" then where is your evidence?
Changes to some of the items you listed I agree with, but a MAJOR model upgrade, to the expectation of the buyers market in 2008, it certainly wont be. Is this an issue for concern, now, or later?

the 2008 upgrade would have been planned even before the original 380 was released as MMAL always planned for 380 production to continue through to 2011, and no matter HOW good a car the original 380 is there is no way they would have thought it could continue as is all the way through till 2011, so the mid-cycle facelift (which the series III is NOT, its just a minor fiddle) must have always been planned.

And yeah there may be no work at this point in time on the 380's eventual replacement, but that doesnt mean there isnt one planned. No serious work on the 380 started untill AFTER the TL was launched in 2003, so the fact there is no work on the 380's replacement yet is no major cause for concern. And anyway MMAL cant have started to work on it yet as they are still negotiating with MMC. Mitsubishi US are already working on the US Galants replacement, so MMAL will likely get to use that as a "base" for the next 380 just as they did with the current one, but they have to wait for the final go ahead off MMC, which probably wont happen untill after the 2008 facelift

It’s disappointing MMAL didn’t do everything in the SIII Update. One thing is certain that MMAL will continue to build the 380s at least till 2011, due to few factors no alternative large car available to import (require investment to build a RHD Galant in the US plant or the Taiwan plant), impact on imported model sales due to negative publicity generated due to closing of the ADL Plant. From What I have heard Aus is MMC’s fourth largest market by volume (After Japan, US & Russia). So it’s important for MMC to maintain healthy sales of all products. There is the possibility that MMAL will build the MMCs next Generation Large car(RHD version), as the Japanese plants are struggling to cope with the demand for the Outlander, with the lancer to come it will be a continuing struggle for the Japanese plants meet global demand. So it’s likely that MMC will try to utilise the ADL plant to build the next large car & since it’s global model there will be more export opportunities, since it will be designed by MMC (with some US & Aussie input), it could be more similar to the Outlander & the Lancer. Also I wouldn’t expect major updates on the current model 380, until 2011 model.

http://goauto.com.au/mellor/mellor.nsf/story2/5191E0EEB70AF583CA25731600247594

http://wheelsmag.com.au/News/No+supercharger,+but+new+380+powers+on.html



Hmmmmmm I think being optimistic is a brilliant thing. We all want/or would have wanted 380 to be a huge success. Unfortunately though we have been given very little to be optimistic about in recent times. I think I, like many others saw the series 3 update as perhaps something to be excited about. I guess not for me.....very disappointed. Others are entitled to their opinions as I am.

What everyone should remember though is that we should all discuss/attack the information, not the man/women. Everyone should be given a chance to voice their opinion etc without it heading into personal attacks etc.

This is a 380/Magna forum and I think ALL discussion about the cars and the future of MMAL is very important. Of course some people will be upset, but better to discuss both the good and bad.

I have just been told by a number of friends from within MMAL that we can all expect a VERY BIG announcement in November this year. They are unable to elaborate further at this stage, though they did add that there is no current work being undertaken on any 2008 update, or even planned at this stage.

Hopefully then November will be the time when this debate can end once and for all, be it good news or bad. I still want to remain optimistic.

The continuing uncertainity is not a good thing, make some positive announcements if there are ANY MMAL, this is definatelty hurting 380 even further. Though if there is nothing postive to say I can therefore understand there silence.

btw, even wheels has been saying that there will be a major update to the 380 next year, and wheels wouldnt be saying it unless MMAL was confirming it with them

btw, even wheels has been saying that there will be a major update to the 380 next year, and wheels wouldnt be saying it unless MMAL was confirming it with them


Lets all hope so. Though I think it is strange that we use one part of the media to support what we want to hear, yet we criticise and ignore other area's that tell us what we don't want to hear???

I have a copy of an older wheels magazine here confirming the AWD Ralliart Magna for production, and giving a November 2004 release date???.....whether this is mis-information by Wheels or MMAL is open to discussion, as the ABC's reporting is.

You are using the term "major update" very loosely. Read previous posts. The 380 will come with changes, but it will not be a MAJOR MODEL Update. The new car will be in 2011. We are currently negotiating with MMC as to what will be built here. So far we know it won' be the Lancer, and it won't be the Pajero (pity), cross our fingers on Outlander or Galant. Only time will tell. Stay tuned and hope for good news in Nov.

Lets all hope so. Though I think it is strange that we use one part of the media to support what we want to hear, yet we criticise and ignore other area's that tell us what we don't want to hear???

I have a copy of an older wheels magazine here confirming the AWD Ralliart Magna for production, and giving a November 2004 release date???.....whether this is mis-information by Wheels or MMAL is open to discussion, as the ABC's reporting is.

The difference is wheels knows what they are talking about, whereas the ABC is an extreemly left wing news agency that has had it in for MMAL for SEVEN YEARS.

And the reason about the older wheels magazine report about an AWD ralliart magna, thats because it originally WAS confirmed for production, but then TL magna sales tanked and the AWD TL ralliart was cancelled. Thats hardly wheels fault or miss-information


You are using the term "major update" very loosely. Read previous posts. The 380 will come with changes, but it will not be a MAJOR MODEL Update. The new car will be in 2011. We are currently negotiating with MMC as to what will be built here. So far we know it won' be the Lancer, and it won't be the Pajero (pity), cross our fingers on Outlander or Galant. Only time will tell. Stay tuned and hope for good news in Nov.

by major update i mean the same kind of update as TJ to TL.

by major update i mean the same kind of update as TJ to TL.[/QUOTE]


No frenchmen around I hope:)

by major update i mean the same kind of update as TJ to TL.


No frenchmen around I hope:)

Australian born designers only please :D

Australian born designers only please :D

Any facelift will be done by MMC which after looking at the new Lancer might not be a bad idea, but then again they did approve the US Galant, so who knows what it will end up like.:confused:

Even if they migrated the new headlights; that would "harden" the front styling significantly and be a big improvement.

Any facelift will be done by MMC which after looking at the new Lancer might not be a bad idea, but then again they did approve the US Galant, so who knows what it will end up like.:confused:

I think the next years face lift will be done by MMC. The 2011 next generation car will be designed by MMC. After the success of the Outlander/Lancer & the fact the next generation Galant /380 will be built using the same platform as the Lancer it will be designed by MMC.

Crystal Ball, Kanchanah?

I think the next years face lift will be done by MMC. The 2011 next generation car will be designed by MMC. After the success of the Outlander/Lancer & the fact the next generation Galant /380 will be built using the same platform as the Lancer it will be designed by MMC.

are you sure the next galant/380 will be built on the lancer platform? the current platform used for the galant/380 was brand new for this generation galant/380 so why would they completely replace it so soon? doesn't make sense. And if MMAL get the nod to build the next 380 at tonsley park, then they will probably use the MMC designed galant as a base, but they will still build their own car just like they did with 380

are you sure the next galant/380 will be built on the lancer platform? the current platform used for the galant/380 was brand new for this generation galant/380 so why would they completely replace it so soon? doesn't make sense. And if MMAL get the nod to build the next 380 at tonsley park, then they will probably use the MMC designed galant as a base, but they will still build their own car just like they did with 380


I have read in couple of articles about the possibility of MMC next generation large car being built using the lancer platform.

http://blogs.motortrend.com/6211766/europe/peugeot-sedans-in-america/index.html

Also the next model will be a global car, slightly smaller than the current model.

http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/ArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=36619&vf=13

Since it will be a global model there will be very little difference between the US built Galant & the local 380. It will be economical for MMC to have a global car. A car designed to meet requirements of every market, may be with some local input with suspension settings etc..

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=108457

are you sure the next galant/380 will be built on the lancer platform? the current platform used for the galant/380 was brand new for this generation galant/380 so why would they completely replace it so soon? doesn't make sense. And if MMAL get the nod to build the next 380 at tonsley park, then they will probably use the MMC designed galant as a base, but they will still build their own car just like they did with 380

MMAL would need stylists and designers for that to happen, and they dont live here anymore....Dave's not here man!!!!

MMAL would need stylists and designers for that to happen, and they dont live here anymore....Dave's not here man!!!!

Hehe you need to make up your mind magnabydesign.

Either you are sick of the '380' is dead rumours because they are untrue, and you are supportive of 380 continuing, or you are now coming forward to admit 380 is dead?
You can't have it both ways!!!

Just want everyone to be consistent:)

As a few people have commented, the negative stuff that is coming from forum members who work for MMAL, is far more damaging then any ABC or other media report.

Hehe you need to make up your mind magnabydesign.

Either you are sick of the '380' is dead rumours because they are untrue, and you are supportive of 380 continuing, or you are now coming forward to admit 380 is dead?
You can't have it both ways!!!

Just want everyone to be consistent:)

As a few people have commented, the negative stuff that is coming from forum members who work for MMAL, is far more damaging then any ABC or other media report.

What are you reading? My comment was in regards to MMAL making their own car like the 380, in reply to what RJL said. Facelift will be by MMC. Cant do that without designers and stylists. How is that damaging? Feel free to go back through any of my posts and look for negative responses, but try and keep them in context. As for the ABC and the media, they speculate about the future which is damaging, I'm just telling you what is factual at the current time. Read into it what you will.

What are you reading? My comment was in regards to MMAL making their own car like the 380, in reply to what RJL said. Facelift will be by MMC. Cant do that without designers and stylists. How is that damaging? Feel free to go back through any of my posts and look for negative responses, but try and keep them in context. As for the ABC and the media, they speculate about the future which is damaging, I'm just telling you what is factual at the current time. Read into it what you will.



Ok awesome so you are confirming there will be a 2008 major facelift of 380, but that it will be done by MMC not MMAL. That is awesome news.

That might help put the press/rumours to bed about the 2008 shutdown of 380 production. This is what we need, more positives like this! Now we can all say bringon 2008, not dread it:)

Ok awesome so you are confirming there will be a 2008 major facelift of 380, but that it will be done by MMC not MMAL. Thats is awesome news.

That might help put the press/rumours to bed about the 2008 shutdown of 380 production. This is what we need, more positives like this! Now we can all say bringon 2008, not dread it:)

Reading into comments what you want to hear? All I said was any facelift will be done by MMC. No mention of time, or size of facelift. AS I have said in previous posts, I would love to be the one to tell everyone good news, but I prefer the facts.

Reading into comments what you want to hear? All I said was any facelift will be done by MMC. No mention of time, or size of facelift. AS I have said in previous posts, I would love to be the one to tell everyone good news, but I prefer the facts.



Ummmm 'facelift WILL be by MMC' Do I need to read anything into that:)

Thanks for a glimmer of hope anyway mbd, heaps better then all the negative stuff that is going on in the media etc.

What are you reading? My comment was in regards to MMAL making their own car like the 380, in reply to what RJL said. Facelift will be by MMC. Cant do that without designers and stylists. How is that damaging? Feel free to go back through any of my posts and look for negative responses, but try and keep them in context. As for the ABC and the media, they speculate about the future which is damaging, I'm just telling you what is factual at the current time. Read into it what you will.

Just to clear up the terminology, by stating the term "negative comments" in previous posts, does not refer to damaging or demeaning, but rather as "bad news". This is not a personal attack. Telling people "bad news" is a negative comment, whether it is fact or not, the image that it conveys about the future of a product or company is obviously not a good one. Genreally speaking, if an employee of a company is conveying "bad news" about a product or an outlook that does not meet the publics expectation, and on a public forum site, cannot be considered anything but "negative". And I'm sure such comments would not be excused by the company, its policies, and its staff, whether it is factual or otherwise. After all thats why they have spokespeople or Media representatives.

However bear in mind, we are not critical of your comments, as a matter of fact this forum welcomes your statements whether it conveys good news or bad. I am sure everyone agrees with this. Thats why they log in to read them. Please continue...( as will I when I get the next first hand knowledge)

Wilsact was simply trying to find consistency in the statements made, because he (as have I) have a special interest in this subject.

Just had a quick look through the thread and couldn't see this posted, sorry if it already is somewhere.

http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/ArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=41755


edit: And also, a wad of nice new photos here: http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/ArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=41757

P.S. HOT!!

Just had a quick look through the thread and couldn't see this posted, sorry if it already is somewhere.

http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/ArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=41755


edit: And also, a wad of nice new photos here: http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/ArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=41757

P.S. HOT!!



Good find. Well done.

Very nice indeed... Can't decide which looks better VRX or FB ? But I do like the FB colour.

Also please note (this means you wilsact lol) that the article neo posted states that Mitsubishi will be adding ESC to the 380 next year, when it gets a larger upgrade. Not that i think it's totally neccessary, but at least they've acknowledged the requirement and are developing it to their limits. Can't ask for any more than that.

Also please note (this means you wilsact lol) that the article neo posted states that Mitsubishi will be adding ESC to the 380 next year, when it gets a larger upgrade. Not that i think it's totally neccessary, but at least they've acknowledged the requirement and are developing it to their limits. Can't ask for any more than that.

They'll prolly use the somewhat boosted sales from the series 3 to use getting the ESC onboard the new revision, which would be great.

Love the lower grill and its new border.

Not sure about the spoiler....I like the lip spoiler I have at the moment. May change my mind...and my spoiler...in the future :)

The interior ? Um personally I like my Series 2 Platinum interior WAY better.

Also please note (this means you wilsact lol) that the article neo posted states that Mitsubishi will be adding ESC to the 380 next year, when it gets a larger upgrade. Not that i think it's totally neccessary, but at least they've acknowledged the requirement and are developing it to their limits. Can't ask for any more than that.



haha I am sure that most 380 supporters like me would be happy about this, not just me but thx for the 'special' mention anyway.


I think that a few of the people who have decided that I and some other members are the one's speading the doom and gloom stuff should go back and look at all posts. In my posts you will see I have never wanted 380 to do badly, and especially for aussie manufacturering for MMAL to end. I am a very vocal supporter of MMAL. All I have merely done is tried to discuss all news both good and bad. Maybe a few other people should try this without having to let it degrade into personal insults, and unfounded need for abuse. There is no point sheeply and blindly supporting something, you need to discuss all aspects whether that be good or bad. Remember don't shoot the messenger.

As the article also quotes (and supports what I as well as other members have been saying) the 380 should have esc now as it is seen as a massive selling point, and a must have item, hence the government adveritising campaign being run around Australia for esc and curtain airbags!! Especially considering all the competition already have this as standard! We have gone over, between, and around many times the reasons why it doesn't have this and other features, so let's not start it again.

Anyway not sure why you felt the need to start this up again:nuts: , especially when you are often very vocal about the same old things being brought up, or are we now permitted to discuss 380 both good and bad like any normal forum would???

One BIG thing in this article is word from Mitsubishi that there will be a major 2008 update. Finally they have released something to dispel the media and rumours about shutdown in 2008. I would hope like others, that the 'big' announcement in Novemeber this year will now revolve around this update (not closedown). Let's hope they are being straight with us all.

We all hope series 3 goes well, and 'next' years 380 offers some great new features to bring this great car onto a level playing field with the competition. Something most on here should agree on:)

Finally they have released something to dispel the media and rumours about shutdown in 2008.

They have had numerous press conferences where they have repeatedly stated they will be open till AT LEAST 2011, how much more proof do you need to dispel rumour?:P

The interior ? Um personally I like my Series 2 Platinum interior WAY better.

its only the interior of the ES mate, your series 2 platinum has the more upmarket SX interior

They have had numerous press conferences where they have repeatedly stated they will be open till AT LEAST 2011, how much more proof do you need to dispel rumour?:P



Thanks. Could you possibly put a link in for one of these releases or more, or direct us to where these releases can be found?

Cheers

its only the interior of the ES mate, your series 2 platinum has the more upmarket SX interior

The part about the GTL option pack on the GT offering a more upmarket instrument cluster and other interior tweaks sounds good too.

Hopefully some pictures will appear soon.

They have had numerous press conferences where they have repeatedly stated they will be open till AT LEAST 2011, how much more proof do you need to dispel rumour?:P

That statement by itself can only be taken in good faith. Obviously they have a business plan, as all good companys do. And we do know that the product life cycle will take them to 2011, because their track record. But the statement itself says nothing about the due diligence of a company. Would you invest in shares of any other company in the same financial predicament? Most savvy investors would not.

We can only wait and see.

mitsubishi arnt going anywhere in a hurry, i just bought mud flaps and they were 55 a pair! lol

The wheels on that blue VRX are very monaroish. The front end looks mean. I love the dash clusters on 380's but still hate the shape of the dash it's self, to long. If only they were quicker I'd have a black Platinum right now

They'll prolly use the somewhat boosted sales from the series 3 to use getting the ESC onboard the new revision, which would be great.

I wonder if the new ESC will be an optional upgrade on the series 1 and 2s? Correct me if I am wrong, but as far as I know, most ESC programs are just a computer upgrade, particularly when the car already has ABS and TCL. ESC just both these systems in conjuction with each other, so the car doesn't flip over... :)

Not only that, if it were available and a car does get the upgrade, i'd imagine the car would actually go up in terms of value! :P

I wonder if the new ESC will be an optional upgrade on the series 1 and 2s? Correct me if I am wrong, but as far as I know, most ESC programs are just a computer upgrade, particularly when the car already has ABS and TCL. ESC just both these systems in conjuction with each other, so the car doesn't flip over... :)

Not only that, if it were available and a car does get the upgrade, i'd imagine the car would actually go up in terms of value! :P

That'd be nice, actually. And MMAL might make a little more money on the side (as long as it wasn't thousands for a new control box :doubt: ).

The TCL is strange on my S2, I went to take off quickly today uphill, wheels to the right, heavy boot on throttle, relying on it to keep traction - nup, sat there wheelspinning...:redface:

I was thinking the same thing but they would also need the dash icons letting you know on/off/problem etc...the same as with the say, traction control.
Right ?

I was thinking the same thing but they would also need the dash icons letting you know on/off/problem etc...the same as with the say, traction control.
Right ?

Well if they integrate it correctly, the TCL icon can easilly double as the ESC icon in theory. Just replace all TCL button with ESC on it. I think for most people, if they wanted to turn off TCL, they'd want ESC off anyway and vice-versa. So (theoretically), it should go hand in hand :D

Are the front seats identical in all models in terms of shape & support? The new ES seats seem pretty cheap and nasty...the SX seats have a nicer trim but look identical in shape.

Can anyone clarify?? Are there better 'sport' seats available?