PDA

View Full Version : Rough auto



JAP_SPEC_TE
24-07-2007, 08:06 PM
Hey i was just wondering is this normal,
when i change from park to reverse sometimes it is very tough to change gear.
other times it prefect.

other than that its perfectly normal.
105km service just done with tranny flush

does anyone else expierence this? (tj series 2 tip)

veradabeast
24-07-2007, 08:07 PM
What do you mean by 'tough'?

As in a 'clunk' or 'thump' when you engage reverse?

JAP_SPEC_TE
24-07-2007, 09:02 PM
What do you mean by 'tough'?

As in a 'clunk' or 'thump' when you engage reverse?

like its really firm. hard to tell, like need to put a fair amount of force to engage it

Matty_J
24-07-2007, 09:27 PM
I have noticed this with my 4spd auto, sometimes it shifts from P into R no probz but other times it feels as if its stuck and needs more force to shift the gears. I had this checked out when i got my auto serviced and i was told there was no problems. but considering you have a tippy this could be a different issue not to sure!!

JAP_SPEC_TE
24-07-2007, 10:50 PM
I have noticed this with my 4spd auto, sometimes it shifts from P into R no probz but other times it feels as if its stuck and needs more force to shift the gears. I had this checked out when i got my auto serviced and i was told there was no problems. but considering you have a tippy this could be a different issue not to sure!!

sounds exactly wats happening to me!!!!

anyones else has this?

steve95
24-07-2007, 11:11 PM
like its really firm. hard to tell, like need to put a fair amount of force to engage it

Its exactly the same with my other Nissan car. It engages fine, but sometimes it feels like its having some metal metal friction, need some force. With time it will get hard to harder.

kmakaz
24-07-2007, 11:20 PM
have you ever gotten your transmisssion/gear box serviced? you should

JAP_SPEC_TE
25-07-2007, 09:02 AM
the service was carried out about a month ago. it was a full flush and stuff.
i think it costed 160-180 can't remeber.

TL-R
25-07-2007, 09:17 AM
Might just be a sticky gate or could be something more serious.

Pull out the console and make sure the shifter is moving smoothly.

vlad
25-07-2007, 10:34 AM
JAP_SPEC_TE, on those occassions where it is difficult to move out of P, were you parked
on a slope of some sort? Because if you did park on a slope and shifted the gears into P
before letting the park brake take the slack, then the weight of the car is pressing on the
little pin which gets inserted into the gears when you put it into P which makes it difficult
to disengage from P.

When parking on slopes, or any surface for that matter in an auto, always put the gear in
N while holding the foot brake and then apply park brake, let go of the foot brake to let
the park brake take any slack and then reaply foot brake and shift into P.

You don't want that little pin breaking loose in the auto box. It'll do nasty things to your
box.

Red Valdez
25-07-2007, 05:15 PM
Has it always been like that, or has it gotten worse over time?

If it's the former, I wouldn't stress too much. My TJ's tippy box is a little worse for wear, and sometimes its a bit notchy to put it in Reverse from Park (although it's not *hard*, and seems to go away a bit when the car's warmed up).

Having said that, it's noticably easier to go Park -> Reverse compared to dad's brand-spanking-new VE SS with the 6 speed auto.... so if it's always been like that, it's probably nothing to worry about. If it's getting worse though.... then I guess that'd be time to panic :P

JAP_SPEC_TE
26-07-2007, 02:50 PM
look its nothing really to stress, cause its not "hard" but a bit firm, thats it.
i think i'm over worring it

vlad
26-07-2007, 02:54 PM
look its nothing really to stress, cause its not "hard" but a bit firm, thats it.
i think i'm over worring it

From my experience with Auto boxes. Its better to check things out early rather than
leaving it till later and spending big on it.

The auto in my old ks xi was acting up (when shifting into R when cold, the gears will jolt
into place). Left it until the diff rooted the box and in the end cost be $2500 for a new
box.

Paulie
26-07-2007, 04:23 PM
I have a 5 speed tippie and it's when you park on a hill or slope that it happens. Basically its when the weight of the car rets on the gearbox not the handbreak. It's better not to have this happen as it puts added presure on the gearbox when it is resting it however sometimes it can't be helped. It's nothing to be too woried about as log s your gearox has been serviced and your gearbox oil is still good.

vlad
26-07-2007, 04:26 PM
I have a 5 speed tippie and it's when you park on a hill or slope that it happens. Basically its when the weight of the car rets on the gearbox not the handbreak. It's better not to have this happen as it puts added presure on the gearbox when it is resting it however sometimes it can't be helped. It's nothing to be too woried about as log s your gearox has been serviced and your gearbox oil is still good.

Have your read my post regarding to what can happen when that little pin breaks?

MAGFAN
26-07-2007, 04:34 PM
Thats why I put mine in nuetral apply handbrake take foot off brake let car settle then into park as it takes strain off transmission or so I was told.

mattkeane88
26-07-2007, 07:04 PM
i dont think the park gear has a very firm hold does it? cause I know If i'm on a steep hill and I havent put the handbreak on hard enough after putting it in park, it will start to roll backwards. So I dont think you need to do that little ritual. Just make sure your handbreak is on hard enough. I may be wrong though.

veradabeast
26-07-2007, 07:12 PM
i dont think the park gear has a very firm hold does it? cause I know If i'm on a steep hill and I havent put the handbreak on hard enough after putting it in park, it will start to roll backwards. So I dont think you need to do that little ritual. Just make sure your handbreak is on hard enough. I may be wrong though.

It'll hold the weight of the car, until it breaks. When you move the selector to park, the parking pawl locks the gear sets, preventing any rotation until the pawl is removed. It's not designed to hold the car; it's designed to lock the transaxle.

Always let the handbrake take up the weight of the car whilst the transaxle is in neutral.

Personally, I'd rather take another 5 seconds parking than spend a few grand fixing the world's largest paperweight.

vlad
26-07-2007, 09:39 PM
i dont think the park gear has a very firm hold does it? cause I know If i'm on a steep hill and I havent put the handbreak on hard enough after putting it in park, it will start to roll backwards. So I dont think you need to do that little ritual. Just make sure your handbreak is on hard enough. I may be wrong though.

That means your park brake needs adjusting or the drums need replacing.

kineso
28-07-2007, 06:37 PM
Yep same problem on wife's TH. Very hard to go from Reverse into Park at times. I usually just turn the car off then try again. After a couple of goes it generally goes in.

It's a weird problem - and it only happens occasionally.

JAP_SPEC_TE
06-08-2007, 01:51 PM
i took it into a auto speacialist and he said not to worry about it. he showed me a box that he is rebuilding and showed me wat that metal pin is that is causing the problem. he said 100% there is problem with the box itself. he also told me that the 3rd gen box is really pretty good, and the rep they have is only because of the 1st and 2nd gens.

yer he also said the problem will not happen if u do that whole nutral thingy.:D
otherwise every auto should do it

gnome
06-08-2007, 08:22 PM
i've had this issue in my TF as well. As others quoted, it is most probably cuz of the slope. always hand brake first, then neutral to check if car is moving and then park and then release brake.

hey where did you get ur car serviced btw? dealer?

Madmagna
06-08-2007, 08:40 PM
Jap_Spec, you may wish to refer the "specialist" to a "Specialist" as he is full of it.

The car will tend to be hard to get out of park when the park pawl has been locked onto the shaft. This is common and unless you are still moving when it is engaged there will generally be no damage to the pawl or the shaft as sometimes it is the shaft that lets go.

Either way it is a bad idea to just leave in park and not use the park brake, just like it is a bad idea to park a manual car in neutral. They both compliment each other to make sure your car is where you parked it when you come back.

Magna trans had the bad rep for the first gen, the second gen and third is a myth carried over from the TM's as from the TN onwards it was more the idiots not servicing and using wrong fluid that caused them to fail.

JAP_SPEC_TE
07-08-2007, 04:12 PM
Yer i got my box serviced at mitsubushi dealer.
so is the right way to do it,
place in neutral
pull up the hand break
let go of the break then slide into park?

vlad
07-08-2007, 04:39 PM
Yer i got my box serviced at mitsubushi dealer.
so is the right way to do it,
place in neutral
pull up the hand break
let go of the break then slide into park?

Yes, Do a search. I've posted the steps at least 3 times now.

When I had my TP, I parked it next to a tree where the right front wheel went into the
ditch around the tree. Parked it normally and then later that day, could not take the car
out of P. Had to get someone to push it from the front.