214.4kw & 671Nm


http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/7010/img0001lx2.jpg

ok now for the rundown

after a few runs on the dyno in the stock setup, the lowest reading recorded was 178.7kw. the highest was around the 185 mark but due to heat soak etc the numbers dropped and they went with this number as the base. off came the stock s/c pulley which read 7.3psi and on went a smaller pulley which then read 10.5psi. The car ran out of fuel on tuesday so a bigger 7th injector had to be ordered. I drove the car home on tuesday night and was told not to go over 5,000RPM as i would cause damage. At that point i was making around the 190kw mark at 5,000RPM and before i was making 178kw at 6,200RPM. A bigger injector was sourced today and installed. A further hour on the dyno came up with the numbers of 214kw at 10.5psi. Thats a total gain of 36kw and as u can see a much smoother power delivery; the power does drop off earlier than with the 7psi pulley but that is because the s/c is pretty much at its limits flow wise.

In conclusion: its freaking scary now

Next modification: Water Methanol injection to get the intake temps down and consistant, and also be able to root around with the timing more to get more power once again.

jeees nice work! love to see the 1/4 time on this! wonder how $$$ spent compares to Black Beard...

Somebody stop meeeeeeeee!!!! LOL

WOW...:bowrofl:

Im so very very horny

OMFG.... :shock:

Thats an awesome effort mate, 671Nm would be quite scary especially in a FWD!!

:thumbsup:

OMFG.... :shock:

Thats an awesome effort mate, 671Nm would be quite scary especially in a FWD!!

:thumbsup:

That's tractive effort. Not comparable to toque at the flywheel.

But bloody good work, must really fly now.

jeees nice work! love to see the 1/4 time on this! wonder how $$$ spent compares to Black Beard...
I've spent a bit. havent really added it up but blower plus fuel pump plus all of this tuning stuff, clutch, brakes it goes on and on.

will quater mile it after i got back from MM07, or the wednesday b4 i go wait and see

Well that's all I needed to know, 3 psi 36kw gain, I'm there lol

Is that still on stock internals with the ralliart CR? I would have thought you'd needlower CR pistons to up the boost.

Is this how you intend to run it dairly? If so I assume it's gonna be reliable, or you wouldn't have done it.

I think its time for you to hit the drags again :)

Well that's all I needed to know, 3 psi 36kw gain, I'm there lol
yeah, have a guess who provided the new pulley


Is that still on stock internals with the ralliart CR? I would have thought you'd needlower CR pistons to up the boost.

Is this how you intend to run it dairly? If so I assume it's gonna be reliable, or you wouldn't have done it.

I think its time for you to hit the drags again :)
I'll be driving it daily thats for sure. off boost its the same as it was before, probably better now the maps are tuned correctly.

yes still running the standard ralliart compression and cams. can't run anymore boost through it but she'll be right

yeah, have a guess who provided the new pulley

Could'nt be sprintex could it? I would have thought you would have used a commodore one as I've been told the kit is similar to the commodore one.

OMG :shock:

WOOT torque steer FTW lol

thats pretty awsome mate good work.

think ill be coming up to MM07 now lol

nice mate good work i wish i had that much power in my vr-x :doubt:

Could'nt be sprintex could it? I would have thought you would have used a commodore one as I've been told the kit is similar to the commodore one.
bingo :bowrofl: right the 1st time!

$120 bucks for the pulley and it looks exactly the same, just 5mm less in diametre. the boss at tweakit said sprintex didnt even baulk at the idea of more power. This part came straight off the shelf and was probably used in the testing days of the kit to see how much it could flow.

BTW if you thought these s/c's sounded good, they're even better now

bingo :bowrofl: right the 1st time!

$120 bucks for the pulley and it looks exactly the same, just 5mm less in diametre. the boss at tweakit said sprintex didnt even baulk at the idea of more power. This part came straight off the shelf and was probably used in the testing days of the kit to see how much it could flow.

BTW if you thought these s/c's sounded good, they're even better now


I'm so getting one now, does it sound louder or ummm stronger sort of thing?

I'm so getting one now, does it sound louder or ummm stronger sort of thing?
yeah the scream comes in a bit earlier but when you're into the right foot it makes the other wierd cool noise. I think its just the sound of more air rushing through

Good figures mate. How's the torque steer now? Are you gonna run dr's at the drags?

Good figures mate. How's the torque steer now? Are you gonna run dr's at the drags?
torque steer hasnt changed, i dont see anything bad with the steering at all!

dunno about dr's mate, just something half decent that will fit on my spare set of 18 inch rims in the garage

hey guys tell me what to do to get more power.PLEASE:pray: :pray: :pray: :pray:

Wow

Good work man!!

Just take it easy lol

$120 part for a 36kW gain...... nice!!!


wonder how $$$ spent compares to Black Beard...

He's spent less.

$120 part for a 36kW gain...... nice!!!
plus the injector, plus the install, plus another ecu plus 4 hours dyno time

but still for around $1000, best bang for ya buck!

Damn TZA your car truly is one beast of a magna. I gotta have a ride in it sometime lol

Niiiiiiiiiiice

I think this car is going to show who is boss :badgrin:

good stuff :thumbsup:

wow wait for water injection and horsepower hero tune for dyno comps lol
250kwatw!!!

and you can rest easy knowing if your blowerr goes bang now you have no wty lol

you can get it fixed easily and quickly and wont cost as much as you think

Well done man, that's an awsome figure

when he learns to drive im sure it'll do some fantastic 1/4 times...

when he learns to drive im sure it'll do some fantastic 1/4 times...

I'll go out on a very long limb here and say maybe 13 seconds flat, or high 12s.

Man....those figures are INSANE! Top effort dude

As everyone has said...a bloody top effort! Hope to see that beast on a city cruise one night :p

guys thanks for all the nice comment, they dont go unappreciated.

Its been a long time coming to get the car to where it is now and has a little more work to go before all the big jobs are out of the way. If i dont crash it this car will end up in a shed in my backyard with a car cover over it 20 years from now :D

Im just amazed that well over 200kw atw's has been achieve from bolt on mods only, sure expensive ones but simple easy bolt ons all the same. who would of thought that 3 years ago


As everyone has said...a bloody top effort! Hope to see that beast on a city cruise one night :p

hope to see you on any cruise sometime soon :D

Very nice.. about time u made a supercharger worth spending the money for.. thats the sort of power u want when bolting a blower on..:P

Still recon PSI is overrated..:P

Still recon PSI is overrated..:P
boost is the only answer

when he learns to drive im sure it'll do some fantastic 1/4 times... :bowrofl:

Nice work Jase. Cant wait to see it at the drags

Jason I'm very interested to see what kind times you can pull at Wakefield, with more experience and R-comp tyres. Methinks 1:10 may be on the cards, which is well-driven EVO territory.

I wonder how the extra power translates to a tight circuit like wakefield, I suspect you'll you may find much restrain with the throttle is required, especially at points where you are powering down with a fair bit of lock on - i.e exiting turn 2 and the "fishhook".

remove the speed limiter and the silly wing....

and you have yourself a 300km/h magna :P
or close to anyway

Damn TZA your car truly is one beast of a magna. I gotta have a ride in it sometime lol
I agree, and now that we're sharing accomodation at MM07, you have no choice but to take me for a spin :D.

one word... IMPRESSIVE!!

who did your dyno/tuning? I didn't think Tweakit had a dyno?

I was quoted $600 to tune mine, which would make make your $1000 for everything really cheap.

cheers,
.wook

Top Effort Jase! I am jealous now:bowrofl:

MAD!!!!!

That's a 280 kw at the donk Magna.

I suppose I'd better finish off that programmable water injection controller then :)

remove the speed limiter and the silly wing....

and you have yourself a 300km/h magna :P
or close to anyway

top speed is no higher than a stock standard ralliart due to the rev limiter.. even if you removed it i dont think the engine would want to rev to much past there anyway....

top speed is no higher than a stock standard ralliart due to the rev limiter.. even if you removed it i dont think the engine would want to rev to much past there anyway....


:bowrofl: :bowrofl: :bowrofl:


You do realize Speed limiter and Rev limiter are two different things?

:bowrofl: :bowrofl: :bowrofl:


You do realize Speed limiter and Rev limiter are two different things?


Yeah he does.. :)

You do know he didnt say they where the same..:P

top speed is no higher than a stock standard ralliart due to the rev limiter.. even if you removed it i dont think the engine would want to rev to much past there anyway....

Didn't Booya have his Magna up to 280kph once and said there was a little more to go. So I'm guessing the gears have the potential to do it, just depends weather the car has enough power to reach it.

Can you not just change the final drive ratio? Are there any suitable bolt ons to do so?

Can you not just change the final drive ratio? Are there any suitable bolt ons to do so?

that would give you a higher top speed but may have a negative effect on acceleration which is really what tzaboy is chasing so i cant see him doing that

top speed is no higher than a stock standard ralliart due to the rev limiter.. even if you removed it i dont think the engine would want to rev to much past there anyway....


my ecu has the option to remove the speed cut! i told the mechanic not to remove it as i would definatley test it out

currently limited to 214km/h electronically! 100km/h = 2150rpm my car's rev limit it 6850rpm 300km/h =6450rpm

i had a video of it accelerating from 180 onwards... and once it his 5k it really takes off..

but my car is heavy and awd

a fwd looses less power less weight less wheels to drive... and if a stock 180kw ralliart with over 100kw and 150nm less can easily do 240km/h...

and its a well known fact that the magnas are far more aerodynamic than just about anything else on the road, seriously! lol

i say it'll crack 300... under the right conditions and maybe a slight down hill,

Can you not just change the final drive ratio? Are there any suitable bolt ons to do so?

You could - at the cost of accelleration. If you want to go 300km/h - go to one of those "drive a V8 Supercar places (even then I doubt you'll hit 300.... I don't think they let you get out of 4th gear)

my ecu has the option to remove the speed cut! i told the mechanic not to remove it as i would definatley test it out

currently limited to 214km/h electronically! 100km/h = 2150rpm my car's rev limit it 6850rpm 300km/h =6450rpm

i had a video of it accelerating from 180 onwards... and once it his 5k it really takes off..

but my car is heavy and awd

a fwd looses less power less weight less wheels to drive... and if a stock 180kw ralliart with over 100kw and 150nm less can easily do 240km/h...

and its a well known fact that the magnas are far more aerodynamic than just about anything else on the road, seriously! lol

i say it'll crack 300... under the right conditions and maybe a slight down hill,



Its all in the gearing dude. I'm pretty sure that it doesnt matter how much power and torque you have, the motor will only turn the wheels as fast as the gears and diff will allow it.

Its all in the gearing dude. I'm pretty sure that it doesnt matter how much power and torque you have, the motor will only turn the wheels as fast as the gears and diff will allow it.


my point exactly... hence why i said tza's top speed wont be any higher than a standard ralliarts top speed... even if you remove the rev and speed limiter... whatever the top speed is it'll get there a hell of alot faster but thats about it IN MY OPINION.. please dont try prove me wrong tza we like you and your car in one piece lol

actually, it does matter how much power you have, as I doubt the Ralliart is red-lining at 240km/h. what you're fighting at those high speeds is air resistance, and if you have more power, you'll be able to get to higher revs. if both cars were able to hit the rev limiter in top gear the speed would obviously be the same, but I doubt the 180kw Ralliart would get anywhere near Jase's beast.

I believe wind resistance goes up exponentially as the speed increases, so more power = higher speed.

cheers,
.wook

hmm... sounds like you ppl know jack....

go ask a speed racer!

300km/h is achievable in top geat at approx 6600rpm right where max power is...


if his car was doing 3000rpm at 100km/h then no way would it be possible...

do the math...

i have a auto simulation program takes everything into account and is very accurate (calculated the exact time my car ran) do the sums and see what you come up with...

magnas have 0.28 drag btw

Theoretical Top Speed Calculator:
http://www.catherineandken.co.uk/sti/tyres.html

Use Gear Ratios from here: Carsales Research (http://www.carsales.com.au/car-research/details.aspx?__Ntt=ralliart%20magna&__Nne=20&__Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&__N=281&__Dx=mode+matchany&R=cs20020305.14:37:22&silo=1005&__D=ralliart%20magna&__Ntk=CarAll&seot=20&__sid=114601263D1B&keywords=ralliart%20magna&Cr=1&__Ns=pCar_YearMade_Int32|1||pCar_Make_String|0||pC ar_Model_String|0&trecs=2)

and I used TZABOYs tyre size of 225/35/R20

Theoretical Top Speed in 5th was 155mph at 6000rpm = 250kmh

and even more theoretically at 6700rpm was 173mph = 278kmh.

So in theory these speeds are achievable. They are not dependent on factors such as coefficient of friction or power.

BUT, there are three ways that a car will 'top out':

1) Electronic Speed Limiter
2) Redline in top gear, this means you can only go faster if you change your gearing/extend your engines redline
3) The force moving your car moving forward equals to the frictional forces (air, tyres, etc) and you stop accelerating - the power coming from your engine is only enough to overcome the forces holding you back. So even though you may have an extra 1000rpm on the dash, you can't go any faster.

So in practice, 250kmh, maybe 260kmh, is possible in a Ralliart and possibly even a standard 3.5L. You just need a LOT of room because without a powerful engine, you'll be accelerating for a long time.

Edit: And if you want to do the calculations for yourself to know that they're not bs:

Engine RPM i.e. 6000 (Divided by) 5th Gear Ratio i.e. 0.83 (Divided By) Final Drive Ratio i.e. 3.736 (Multiplied by) Overall Tyre + Wheel Diameter in metres i.e. 0.665m (Multiplied by) Pi i.e. 3.14159.. (Multiplied by) 60 Minutes in an Hour (Divided by) 1000metres in a kilometre

Hahaha Speed limiters and rev limiters are a thing of the past..:P

We removed my speed limiter and set rev limiter to 8500rpm..:)

Piggy Back shoulf be able to remove speed limiter..

http://www.worldcarfans.com/2060710.004/holden-hsv-maloo-r8-is-world-fastest-ute

277.6km/h

same power, much heavier, auto... far far far less areodynamic.. gearing not optimal... theoretic top speed is well over 400km/h as at 110km/h in top gear it's only doing 1800rpm... obviously it will not doo 400+ but gearing allows it

Hahaha Speed limiters and rev limiters are a thing of the past..:P

We removed my speed limiter and set rev limiter to 8500rpm..:)

all you need now is a motor with enough power to get you there

1st 3.583
2nd 2.105
3rd 1.407
4th 1.031
5th 0.761
Reverse 3.416
Final Drive 3.722

225/35/20 tyres 6800rpm 190mph

my car has silghtly taller gearing allowing 200mph :bowrofl:

seriously guys im not looking at breaking the land speed record for a FWD car anytime in the near future.

on another note its been a whole day since i bumped up the power an extra 50hp, and im bored already! time for some more mods :D

hmm... sounds like you ppl know jack....

go ask a speed racer!

300km/h is achievable in top geat at approx 6600rpm right where max power is...


if his car was doing 3000rpm at 100km/h then no way would it be possible...

do the math...

i have a auto simulation program takes everything into account and is very accurate (calculated the exact time my car ran) do the sums and see what you come up with...

magnas have 0.28 drag btw

A TJ non-ralliart has a Cd of 0.28. I think the ralliart would be worse than that with the larger front splitter and that wing.

thats awesom stuff Jase, lookin forward to seein it in the flesh when you come up in a couple of weeks!!!!

Impressive Starfox :P

300 km/hr in a Magna?

All the panels will rattle off and you will die. Its a Mitsubishi.

U must take me for a drive when ur here in wagga in the coming months. :D :D

Youtube what a blowout at 300kph does andrew, might make you think twice about your hero speeds.

OMG! Stock internals and 9.4:1. Wonder how long it's gunna hold together.

Guess the only thing left is NOx :badgrin:

Good work Jase! Keeps the rest of us spending.....

the windscreen wipers will not work at 300kmhr

Youtube what a blowout at 300kph does andrew, might make you think twice about your hero speeds.

pfft... just looked up stuff... and im getting a Y2K now instead of a scooter :badgrin: 250MPH :shock:

tbb.. rainx ftw :P

or jet aeroplanes airbus boeing etc.. have windscreen wipers, and they do almost 1000km/h lol

mitsubishi do have a background in +300 kmhr vehicles.

kamikaze piloted zeros come to mind.......

Hahaha Speed limiters and rev limiters are a thing of the past..:P

We removed my speed limiter and set rev limiter to 8500rpm..:)

Piggy Back shoulf be able to remove speed limiter..
yea but didnt u change ur internals? i dont think any1 would wanna remove the rev limiter on a stock 3.5L lol

btw jase, nice dyno read out, looks like a pretty smooth ride ur gettin! cant wait to see/hear it in the flesh :)

tbb: booya was about to set a speed record in his 3rd gen magna about 2 years ago before a major mishap happened... plus ive seen a vid of his car going.. relatively fast lol

300 km/hr in a Magna?

All the panels will rattle off and you will die. Its a Mitsubishi.

I have a vid of one doing 280kph.:P

I have a vid of one doing 280kph.:P

Post it then and we'll see

Post it then and we'll see
Yeah I got the vid at home somewhere,

its kinda scary how he is holding that camera whilst doing that speed!!

Post it then and we'll see

Dude, everyone whose been a member of this site since about 2004 has seen the video in question. Chances are you will never find a copy of it though on account of database cleanups / purges and the owner of the car no longer being an active member of the site.

But take it from someone who's seen it........ didn't sound like the panels were comming off.

Dude, everyone whose been a member of this site since about 2004 has seen the video in question. Chances are you will never find a copy of it though on account of database cleanups / purges and the owner of the car no longer being an active member of the site.

But take it from someone who's seen it........ didn't sound like the panels were comming off.
I have the movie in question... not quite willing to post it on youtube though, especially without the express permission of the person involved.

can't remember where I dl'd it from.

cheers,
.wook

I have the movie in question... not quite willing to post it on youtube though, especially without the express permission of the person involved.

can't remember where I dl'd it from.

cheers,
.wook

Exacttly, I beleive booya had it linked to his site he had at one stage.

THIS (http://www.cardomain.com/ride/618527) is all I can find now.

EDIT: BOOYA (http://curreytech.net/gallery/booya) :)

Exacttly, I beleive booya had it linked to his site he had at one stage.

THIS (http://www.cardomain.com/ride/618527) is all I can find now.

EDIT: BOOYA (http://curreytech.net/gallery/booya) :)




aahh memorys :think:

Exacttly, I beleive booya had it linked to his site he had at one stage.

THIS (http://www.cardomain.com/ride/618527) is all I can find now.

EDIT: BOOYA (http://curreytech.net/gallery/booya) :)

Ohhh that!!! Yes, saw that as well. Sorry my brain is not functioning properly:bowrofl:

go the 3.0L magnas

forget booya looked ugly...

gimmie Jose's Diamante

510HP ATW!!!! 3.0L TT

forget booya looked ugly...



dude, some of the stuff u say on here i presume your joking... am i right? cause if this comment and some of your others are serious then youve got some wacky ideas

Dude, everyone whose been a member of this site since about 2004 has seen the video in question. But take it from someone who's seen it........ didn't sound like the panels were comming off.

those were the days

it sounded like it hard way more in it

dude, some of the stuff u say on here i presume your joking... am i right? cause if this comment and some of your others are serious then youve got some wacky ideas


nah its a cool car... but im sick of ppl putting up their cars (bagged wagon in particular) and ppl saying put a kit on it... ahhhhh

i like vrx's and ralliarts... but magnas look nice stock body too... lets stay away from ricing them up..

btw checkout the diamante it's on youtube 510hp/380kw atw :shock: did a low 12 sec pass with massive wheelspin

oops sorry i lied ONLY 501hp :doubt:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTni1yW5iZo

Ohhh that!!! Yes, saw that as well. Sorry my brain is not functioning properly:bowrofl:

Ohhh THAT one.....lol Thanks for playing. :D

Ahh Booya.. *remembers the good ol days*.. Loved that car (except for the scoop and T-Wing he had on it for a while) shame it all came to a sad ending...

But On topic, congrats on the figure Jason, hope to see more outta her...

Daz

nah its a cool car... but im sick of ppl putting up their cars (bagged wagon in particular) and ppl saying put a kit on it... ahhhhh

i like vrx's and ralliarts... but magnas look nice stock body too... lets stay away from ricing them up..
What? You have a massively dumped magna with huge wheels and you're talking about staying away from rice? :nuts:

You said let's stay away from ricing up vrx's and ralliarts. I mean you didn't dump your magna that low and put 20" rims on it for handling did you? :nuts: I'll concede I'm a wanker, that's a given. But please cut the bull.

yeah i did it for handeling... thats why it has stock shocks and no travel and cheap tyres... :nuts:

but it handled better than you would ever believe even at that height and on the 20's

and as i have posted before, no one has ever driven my car but me, and you have no idea untill you do as there is no other car that is like it to draw a comparison from!

ppl who have seen it go know that it handles very well

but who cares about handeling and speed anyways when i can stick nismo stickers and autobarn wings with airfreshiner led's and neons on my car

Well I think enough has been said here. :roll:

neons and excess fiberglass FTW!!! :P

:edit:

sorry to have ruined your post, but that happen on internet forums


good stuff on finally cracking 200kw

now everyone is keen to see what it will finally do... i can see anymore kw's coming cheaply... so next upgrade is going to be turbos and rebuild really..

ps get a good water injection kit... i think the company is called aquamist.. the methanol wont work with washer pump.. water gives best cooling water/meth gives slightly more power than water alone.. inject before TB ;)

I was came accross this vid of TZA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEMLux3k1xM

I was came accross this vid of TZA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEMLux3k1xM
that was my first dyno with the supercharger on. ran 194kw but it was helped because it was a bloody hot day and the dyno accounts for temp and little bit too much

i'll make sure to video my dyno run at newcastle autosalon. Fingers crossed for 300HP at the wheels which should be easy to get as the engine and s/c wont be at its max heat

I've had the pleasure of riding in and driving this car since the new pulley and i must say you would not think it was a "magna".

The thing is freakin' unbelievable.

Just the turn of power and the noise would make you think you were riding in anything but a Magna.

Congratulations to Jase for the effort he has put in the results he has achieved.


I'm jealous....where do i sign for one of these ?


So why can't Mitsu release one of these from the factory ?

I've had the pleasure of riding in and driving this car since the new pulley and i must say you would not think it was a "magna".

The thing is freakin' unbelievable.

Just the turn of power and the noise would make you think you were riding in anything but a Magna.

Congratulations to Jase for the effort he has put in the results he has achieved.


I'm jealous....where do i sign for one of these ?


So why can't Mitsu release one of these from the factory ?

For the same reason they won't build TMR 380s. Too much money.

For the same reason they won't build TMR 380s. Too much money.

exactly...the ralliart magna was dear enough new as it was.... they probably would have sold even less if it was $8000 more with s/c