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AaronG1985
20-08-2007, 01:34 PM
hey guys my 4 speed tiptronic auto has absolutly no balls (no gogo) if you know what i mean, how can i improve on this? just want a bit of go off the lights but it feels like shes towing a ****ing elephant. any idea guys? thanks

lenda
20-08-2007, 01:41 PM
what is your budget???
and since ur driving a rada, does this mean u want ur car to stay quete?

AaronG1985
20-08-2007, 01:43 PM
HELL NO the louder the better i say. At the moment she is standard but im plaining on spending big on her. Shes my first nice car and i want her to be nice realll nice (thinking my misses is getting jelous :bowrofl: ) but no i dont want it quiet i got the Rada not for speed but for luxory. Plus i heard theres thing you canget done to your car that reduces the outside noise inside if the misses and the kids complain.

will3690
20-08-2007, 01:43 PM
If it has no go off the lights or anything i would say something may be wrong with it dude. Get it checked out or something

lenda
20-08-2007, 01:49 PM
i would suggest to get a full exhaust upgrade(pacemaker extractors, hi flow cat, straight through muffler), Haltech or smoething similar(piggyback), High Flow TB, and a manual convo, i dont know how this goes with radas though. depends how far you want to go.

AaronG1985
20-08-2007, 01:51 PM
just told my wife about the manual conversion and its a no go cause she cant drive manual . I need the auto to be loud and fast but still has to be AUTO. how much you recon the exhaust upgrade would cost?

will3690
20-08-2007, 01:58 PM
just told my wife about the manual conversion and its a no go cause she cant drive manual . I need the auto to be loud and fast but still has to be AUTO. how much you recon the exhaust upgrade would cost?


The whole exhaust, expect no change from $1000

Depends where you go and how cheap you can get labor. No more than $1500 will get you the whole system installed.

lenda
20-08-2007, 01:59 PM
if you get all the parts new and installed by professional, depending on brands etc... be around 1000 dollars.

Chisholm
20-08-2007, 02:08 PM
short answer:

Start with a manual converstion, or don't bother and enjoy it as is.

Gemini
20-08-2007, 03:19 PM
Maybe you should first get it checked out if its as bad as you are saying ( towing an elephant ? ) there could be something wrong with it.

piv
20-08-2007, 03:21 PM
It will never go fast as an auto. Get used to it.

wookiee
20-08-2007, 03:29 PM
It will never go fast as an auto. Get used to it.
err, ok. :nuts:

Neo
20-08-2007, 03:43 PM
Maybe you should first get it checked out if its as bad as you are saying ( towing an elephant ? ) there could be something wrong with it.

I agree, the verada's a little heavier, but still should be able to get plenty of wheelspin off the line even in an auto.

So I'm going to say... get the timing checked out.. and get the ignition system checked out or redone.


It will never go fast as an auto. Get used to it.

:confused:

GTVi
20-08-2007, 03:58 PM
First check if the Car's OK before you start spending the dollars on mods. Mechanic and Dyno will help you there.

If there is nothing wrong with the car, is it possible that the car is not so slow, but your expectations are a little high. Perhaps you are driving the wrong type of car for your driving needs?

[TUFFTR]
20-08-2007, 04:56 PM
It will never go fast as an auto. Get used to it.

Unless it has a supercharger on it of course...
But yeah manual conversion ftw

Lugo
20-08-2007, 06:59 PM
If you wanted to change the transmission you could always get a Race Shift Automatic? They're almost as good as a manual.

Magtone
20-08-2007, 07:34 PM
err, ok. :nuts:

i don't think he said as fast as an auto, so it makes sense.

Anyhoo, the only way to get these things moving better without forced induction is a manual conversion. Trust me, I've tried a few things so far(mods list) and still only be as quick as a manual with a zorst system.

Don't get me wrong i am happy with what i have done, but could have got a similar result for alot less$$$$$

piv
20-08-2007, 07:36 PM
What's everyones confusion to my comment? Doesn't the sprintex auto vrx just crack 14s? Hardly impressive if you ask me, I could thrash a 14 out of my stock manual.

The verada is heavier, being a 4 speed doesn't help matters further and it may be a KH or later with the old cams. Sum of above = slug.

Forgot to mention, distinctly remember Sport running 14.444s in a N/A unopened TL. Don't think I've heard of an auto pulling times like that yet.

wookiee
21-08-2007, 07:13 AM
What's everyones confusion to my comment? Doesn't the sprintex auto vrx just crack 14s? Hardly impressive if you ask me, I could thrash a 14 out of my stock manual.

The verada is heavier, being a 4 speed doesn't help matters further and it may be a KH or later with the old cams. Sum of above = slug.

Forgot to mention, distinctly remember Sport running 14.444s in a N/A unopened TL. Don't think I've heard of an auto pulling times like that yet.
I'm not confused... you're saying an auto can never go fast. I think you're wrong. andrewd ran a 15.9 stock and then a 14.4 (http://youtube.com/watch?v=L9rGi71t6Kk) with the supercharger, and that's a heavy auto AWD!

I wish there was a strip around here that I could prove you wrong on.

just for the record, of course, given the same mods (or none at all) a manual magna is going to be faster than an auto magna. but your statement was
It will never go fast as an auto. Get used to it. which is obviously wrong... you can make anything fast with the right amount of time and money.

cheers,
.wook

AaronG1985
21-08-2007, 07:52 AM
guys guys guys

1. It has to stay an auto for the wife
2. i dont want it to be a super fast 14 second car
3. Only want it to have a bit more balls off the lights
4. This is a luxory car i just want it to sound nice and have a little bit of power

thanks for the help anyways im going to book her in for a major service see how that goes.

lima
21-08-2007, 08:07 AM
if it's got nothing off the lights there's something wrong with the car, plain and simple. Short of that you are expecting far too much.

wookiee
21-08-2007, 08:10 AM
it's a KJ XI (either Series 1 (150kw) or MY02 (155kw)). you should be able to pick up a bit of performance from a cat-back exhaust, Barry's fuel rail kit (http://aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23303) and a K&N panel filter. all of that should cost you around $500. then, if you want some more oomph, think about a piggyback or replacement ecu.

there are a lot of people on these forums that think the auto 'boxes are no good at all. I think they're wrong. you can get decent performance out of the INVECS 'box, it just won't be as much as you'd get with a manual 'box.

cheers,
.wook

EDIT: of course, your major service *should* find anything wrong with the 'box or engine. if it does, your "problem" may be solved.

AaronG1985
21-08-2007, 11:27 AM
thanks for the feedback guys, the whole manual auto thing really doesnt bother me cause my car isnt a race car.

piv
21-08-2007, 01:08 PM
you can make anything fast with the right amount of time and money.

cheers,
.wook

Yeah I know you're right I was making a pretty blanket statement directed at most people coming on here expecting a few hundred dollars of bolt on mods to make their auto go quick. Even still a 14.4 isn't really anything to brag about, it's what a stock skyline did over 10 years ago.

tbb
21-08-2007, 02:16 PM
If you wanted to change the transmission you could always get a Race Shift Automatic? They're almost as good as a manual.

what is a race shift automatic?

vlad
21-08-2007, 03:31 PM
what is a race shift automatic?

Not suitable for everyday drive as every shift will be bone jarring.

Magtone
21-08-2007, 03:42 PM
another way to gain some pick up would be to install some cams and adjustable cam gears. Instead of retarding the cam gears for more top end(as per 6degrees on ralliart, advance it 4degrees and you will find it has more low down torque straight of the line and seeing as you dont want a race car the loss of top end out put wont affect you

Damo_ooyar
22-08-2007, 06:52 AM
Its a Verada dude, just be happy with her... they are naturally heavier, 4sp auto box is sluggish anyways. Putting an exhaust on an automatic car sounds like ****, the noise out the back is very ordinary, the drone inside will drive ya nuts. Verada is the luxury model of what we drive, if you dont want manual converstion, dont get it, if you dont want it too be a race car, dont do anything.

s311_bvm
22-08-2007, 01:28 PM
Perhaps a stupid thought but is the Verada in limp home mode? If it is in limp home mode it will only get into 3 of its 4 gears and generally feal sluggish. This is caused by blown fusses.

will3690
22-08-2007, 01:52 PM
As i said in a previous post, it sounds like something is wrong with it.

By your description it sounds like you own a 2nd gen lol.

Lugo
22-08-2007, 02:47 PM
Not suitable for everyday drive as every shift will be bone jarring.
They not that bad, a mate has a Race Shift Automatic in his VS Commodore, it throws him around a little in the car parks being jerky and so on, but that could just be his right foot.

If you only want to drive fast and hard then its probably suitable, wife might not be impressed though.

AaronG1985
22-08-2007, 02:57 PM
Perhaps a stupid thought but is the Verada in limp home mode? If it is in limp home mode it will only get into 3 of its 4 gears and generally feal sluggish. This is caused by blown fusses.

huh Limp Home Mode???? what is this.

s311_bvm
22-08-2007, 03:20 PM
It is a survival mode built into the controlling computer to allow the Verada limp back to a dealership for maintenance in a fault condition, rather than just die on the side of the road somewhere.

It is a very good feature as it allows the car to be driven.

On the downside some people inadvertently trigger it by install accessaries themselves and inadvertently blow fusses causing the computer to go into this mode.

magnaSE
22-08-2007, 04:02 PM
1. there is something wrong with your car.

2. you used to drive fast cars?:bowrofl:

they shouldn't be "towing an elephant" at the lights.lol

Lugo
22-08-2007, 04:47 PM
huh Limp Home Mode???? what is this.
Well it was described above as locking out gears and such, but in my experience its been the shut down of engine cylinders and limiting throttle, meaning the car had about 30% of its normal drive, but ran cooler, allowing you get home if your experiencing say overheating problems. Never heard of the gear thing though, I would have thought that'd make things harder on the car.

Edit: Out of interest, when your moving and you lift off the throttle does the car slow rapidly or roll as per usual? Just thinking, you wouldn't have a problem with your brakes or handbrake would you thats got the brakes on slightly, thus making you feel like your towing something huge..

AaronG1985
23-08-2007, 08:54 AM
Well found out the calipers that i got FIXED (see post http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=51419) They did something to the brake calipers and it was like my brakes where on slightly so cause i needed new brake pads they replaced the pads and gave me a %100 refund. WHERE THE HELL DO I FIND A GOOD MECHANIC IN DUBBO (or is that an oxy-moron).

So thankyou Lugo for the idea wasnt for you i wouldnt of taking it back

Lugo
23-08-2007, 10:30 AM
Well found out the calipers that i got FIXED (see post http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=51419) They did something to the brake calipers and it was like my brakes where on slightly so cause i needed new brake pads they replaced the pads and gave me a %100 refund. WHERE THE HELL DO I FIND A GOOD MECHANIC IN DUBBO (or is that an oxy-moron).

So thankyou Lugo for the idea wasnt for you i wouldnt of taking it back

I'm actually surprised that was it, when I was posting I was thinking this is going to sound so ridiculous, but hey, there you go. Not towing an elephant anymore then right?

Edit: I remember reading that thread, this is just bad luck after bad luck, maybe never go back there again hey? Screwing you over big time.

AaronG1985
23-08-2007, 10:37 AM
its two different guys **** DUBBO :rant: ...no wait I Love Dubbo :D but i needs someone who knows that there doing.

Lugo
23-08-2007, 01:30 PM
its two different guys **** DUBBO :rant: ...no wait I Love Dubbo :D but i needs someone who knows that there doing.

Thats terrible haha, whats wrong with all the people in your area that are supposed to be professionals around cars!:nuts:

Ah well, not like they're stuffing anything major up, only the brakes. :bowrofl: