Hi Guys,

Is there any evidence/observation that using continuous manual mode in Tippy in 3rd Gen shortens the lifetime of the tranny? Also is that correct that Auto mode saves fuel compared to Manual mode?

Anyone who drives always in manual mode?:)


Cheers

Hi Guys,

Is there any evidence/observation that using continuous manual mode in Tippy in 3rd Gen shortens the lifetime of the tranny? Also is that correct that Auto mode saves fuel compared to Manual mode?

Anyone who drives always in manual mode?:)


Cheers

I always drive in manual mode and manual mode saves fuel as I change gears earlier unless
required.

manual mode is a wank, unless you want engine braking or to bounce the car off the limiter

my car was quicker to 100km/h video'd in full auto...

but im a stooooooge and when i ran it at the drags only used tippy and you can hear it hitting the limiter inbetween gears as the manual selection is YAWN slow

best economy will be gotten in D with light throttle applications

and i'd have $1 on it that in a comparison a car driven always in d vs a car manually shifted all the time, the D drivers box would last longer...


but ask an auto trans expert they will know, afik no one here is a trans rebuilder so....

manual mode is a wank, unless you want engine braking or to bounce the car off the limiter

my car was quicker to 100km/h video'd in full auto...

but im a stooooooge and when i ran it at the drags only used tippy and you can hear it hitting the limiter inbetween gears as the manual selection is YAWN slow

best economy will be gotten in D with light throttle applications

and i'd have $1 on it that in a comparison a car driven always in d vs a car manually shifted all the time, the D drivers box would last longer...


but ask an auto trans expert they will know, afik no one here is a trans rebuilder so....

Why woould it last longer, its not like shifting it manually changes the way it shift. The
shifting is still computer controlled.

i'd have $1 on it that in a comparison a car driven always in d vs a car manually shifted all the time, the D drivers box would last longer...



And also by manual shifting, one can avoid many unnecessary upshift + downshift (e.g., you are approaching a red light or stop, so no need to upshift and downshift at next sec) over the lifetime of tranny. Shouldn't this help for longer tranny lifetime, at least theoritically? :D

yeah but it shifts at the optimum point for economy and smoothness in d and also when flat out.. leaving it in d there is less chance of over reving it, shifting to a lower gear too soon etc...

when its learnt your style and is programmed correctly, its much better than you think

the tippy is a marketing thing, at the time other manufacturers were including it, and now they are moving to a classier gated automatic....

at the end of the day, they are all automatic transmissions..

if you have the need to shift manually, stick to a real manual with a clutch...

when i first got the tippy i shifted manually for a day like most other ppl did and sine then only on very rare occasions, usualy when an auto box isnt desired...

Why woould it last longer, its not like shifting it manually changes the way it shift. The
shifting is still computer controlled.
Downshifting at higher revs than the car normally would in drive would wear the gears/synchros out quicker i would think. The actual shifts (if you were to mimic them in drive) would make no difference to wear, it would only come into the equation if you used the tippy mode outside what drive would normally do.

trying to slam it down through the gears wouldnt do it any favours

trying to slam it down through the gears wouldnt do it any favours

What about leaving the downshifting job to tippy and you only do the upshifting? Problem solved :D

What about leaving the downshifting job to tippy and you only do the upshifting? Problem solved :D
Yeh as long as you don't constantly rev it to the rev limiter, shouldn't make a difference.
But if you're in tippy mode and you plant your foot, it wont downshift for you.

With my experience with the 380, which I don't think is any different, I'd have to agree with Andrewd.
I used to use manual all the time (got auto because of GF) but in the end the upshifts under heavy throttle are faster and change at the right torque points in D mode. Actually sounds better too.

The only time I find manual good is when you know you are about to pull out from behind (haha!) or use heavy acceleration so you change in anticipation or when your in the twisties and the auto brain can't anticipate when you want the shifts.

A couple of times, when I was getting used to it, I revved the crap out of the engine because I was slow changing up. Wasted fuel and more stress on components.

manual mode is a wank, unless you want engine braking or to bounce the car off the limiter

my car was quicker to 100km/h video'd in full auto...

but im a stooooooge and when i ran it at the drags only used tippy and you can hear it hitting the limiter inbetween gears as the manual selection is YAWN slow

best economy will be gotten in D with light throttle applications

and i'd have $1 on it that in a comparison a car driven always in d vs a car manually shifted all the time, the D drivers box would last longer...

but ask an auto trans expert they will know, afik no one here is a trans rebuilder so....


To each to their own i guess.

Firstly engine braking is ok afterall thats what you do in a manual. Learn to drive better and you wont hit the rev limiter
I was faster in tippy than D to 100kmh
I am no expert either but it is only a switch making the difference between tippy and D. So I would have thought it would still be the way you drive....hard or easy as to the life expectancy of the gearbox let alone any other parts.
cant see how a learning auto knows exactly when the optimum shifts are for every occasion when it learns someones driving habits.



if you have the need to shift manually, stick to a real manual with a clutch...

some people have there cars for more than one person to drive. Although my missus does drive manuals she finds it easier to drive in traffic to and from work.


I mostly drive in manual mode, and the missus in D....and tippy

I mainly drive in D but with the invecs learning I dont think it will always change at the best point for fast acceleration.If you drive like a granny all the time then when you put your foot down it will change to soon.The tippy shifting is very usefull for decellerating on hills and bendy runs.I ran a 15.30 and a 15.35 qtr mile times in a basically stock auto sports (cept for K&N panel filter) in tippy mode and I dont think it would pull a faster time in D.
I think Magtone is on the money.:D

To each to their own i guess.

Learn to drive better and you wont hit the rev limiter


my car revs so quick in the top end that i have to shift before the needle hits 5K and even then it kisses the limiter

and my tippy shifts the same as everyone elses.... but thats what you get when you have peak power at 6500rpm

in a stock magna, as it was before it was fine, but it's putting out well over 100kw more than it was when it was stock..


my car will also hit the limiter and even exceed it sometimes in D... it wasnt uncommon to hit 7k before it'd upshift, usullay once all the fluids have warmed up it will shift at 6500rpm in 1st and just under that in 2nd in D

my car revs so quick in the top end that i have to shift before the needle hits 5K and even then it kisses the limiter

and my tippy shifts the same as everyone elses.... but thats what you get when you have peak power at 6500rpm

in a stock magna, as it was before it was fine, but it's putting out well over 100kw more than it was when it was stock..


my car will also hit the limiter and even exceed it sometimes in D... it wasnt uncommon to hit 7k before it'd upshift, usullay once all the fluids have warmed up it will shift at 6500rpm in 1st and just under that in 2nd in D

Fairynuff....I understand what you are saying as mine does the same (climbing faster with higher rev ability)after putting cams in(not as quickly tho). But i guess the majority of members don't have forced induction or internals work to compare. BUt as you said, it was fine before supercharger.

So, to OP, i don't believe there is real evidence, just shared experiences and opinions on what would or wouldn't happen. I think it is up to the driving style whether in tippy or not as to the wear and tear on the gearbox.

my car revs so quick in the top end that i have to shift before the needle hits 5K and even then it kisses the limiter

and my tippy shifts the same as everyone elses.... but thats what you get when you have peak power at 6500rpm

in a stock magna, as it was before it was fine, but it's putting out well over 100kw more than it was when it was stock..


my car will also hit the limiter and even exceed it sometimes in D... it wasnt uncommon to hit 7k before it'd upshift, usullay once all the fluids have warmed up it will shift at 6500rpm in 1st and just under that in 2nd in D
Know what your saying but I dont think the majority of us have superchargers,yet you are willing to state that the tippy mode is wank.Which isnt the case for most of us.Looking at things in context your opinion may be accurate for you because you have a supercharger and good on ya for that.But isnt really relevant to the majority.:)

With my experience with the 380, which I don't think is any different, I'd have to agree with Andrewd.
I used to use manual all the time (got auto because of GF) but in the end the upshifts under heavy throttle are faster and change at the right torque points in D mode. Actually sounds better too.

The only time I find manual good is when you know you are about to pull out from behind (haha!) or use heavy acceleration so you change in anticipation or when your in the twisties and the auto brain can't anticipate when you want the shifts.

A couple of times, when I was getting used to it, I revved the crap out of the engine because I was slow changing up. Wasted fuel and more stress on components.
:stoopid:
agree 100%, i have the 5spd tippy in my rada, now its gotten used to my driving style it downshifts just wen i want, and doesnt overly hesitate when i do so. if i need to pull away from lights quicker, or going to pass someone, i'll manually shift, but otherwise the normal D mode has learnt fine.

i also personnaly reckon its driving more economical than if i had a manual... eg it will go to 5th if cruising at about 60 or so, i wouldnt have done that till 80... in general, the car likes to cruise around 1500rpm, and when i've had manuals i didnt have it that low.

each to their own, but yeh i've gotten lazier with the auto box, but i have owned manual car so atleast i can drive them :) but give me an auto during peakhour any day of the week!

ahh yes but i have done many many more thousands of km before the s/c..

the only real need to use tippy is when in 5th tq locked up and going up sligh incline and rpm go below 1200rpm, a quick knock back to 4th keeps it there instead of pressing the gas and dropping down a gear and taking off

using the down shift will save your brakes but it will work the auto harder because it uses the clutches to slow the car down.

so yea using it in d the auto will last longer
but brakes will wear out quicker

I can vouch for the brakes wearing quicker in D mode than down shifting in tippy mode. my wife drove my car for 3 weeks and the brake dust she left on the front wheels was amazing. I had never seen any brake dust on the wheels before then.

I always use tippy mode...

except in the Jetta, because that engine really does rev fast and the lower gears are so small that it's hard to get the shifts right. there's not much engine braking to be had either.

cheers,
.wook