Hi all,

Firstly I have done a search but couldn't find the info I needed.

I am looking at upgrading my front brake setup as I tow a ski boat quite often and by the time I get to the bottom of the freeway the brakes are practically useless.

I have found some Evo IIV twin pot calipers, with some 294mm rotors for a reasonable price.

What I want to know, is will the calipers bolt straight on, and will the rotors fit behind factory 16" mags? Is there anything else I will need to buy/get made?

Cheers
Pete

that actually sounds very similar to the Ralliart Magna brake setup? so the 16" wheels should definately be fine, i have no idea about swapping over though

V8 commodores run 297mm rotors with a single piston calliper and they fit under 15's
can't see a 4 pot set fouling on a set of 16's somehow

If you are looking at upgrading the disc's an calipers try these guys out

hopstop@hoppers.com.au

1700 for the whole kit, fitted in under an hour

Yeah but $1700 is a hell of a lot more than $500 :) and its a major overkill for what I need.
And if I remember from reading the threads about that you need at least 17" rims...

My mate has a VR SS with a big brake upgrade. Dont know how big they are but 16"s only just fit. The inside of the rim will rub against the caliper.

So 15"s no chance.

The calipers have 160mm centers if that helps... I assume they would fit but want to make sure...

will sounds like your mate has the 330's with VT Twin pistons and no they won't fit under a 15
but 300's SHOULD

Yeah but $1700 is a hell of a lot more than $500 :) and its a major overkill for what I need.
And if I remember from reading the threads about that you need at least 17" rims...

Ahh Ok yeh well for 500bucks go ahead, didnt realise the price.... But yeh ur right 17" rims at least are needed... sorry bout that

Ahh Ok yeh well for 500bucks go ahead, didnt realise the price.... But yeh ur right 17" rims at least are needed... sorry bout that

Well I would go ahead... but I want to make sure that I wont get them and then find out i need bigger rims, custom brake hoses etcetc :P

Just to clear it up for me... whats the size limiting with the mags.. the diameter of the rotor or the size of the calipers or both?
From what I can gather the calipers will fit, but Im not sure about the rotors. I guess I could just buy some dba 294mm from the AWD TJ as Im pretty sure they fit.

From what I can gather the calipers will fit, but Im not sure about the rotors. I guess I could just buy some dba 294mm from the AWD TJ as Im pretty sure they fit.

Well since the Callipers sit on the outside of the rotors and they fit, chances are the rotor fits too. :D 16" wheels just might clear the calliper and rotor size, but carefull on the calliper thickness (might require a specific offset for clearance)

I'd hazard a guess and say that the EVO brakes will not align properly with the AWD rotors, and vise versa. Also you will most likely require new brake hoses (this is also required for the twin pot ralliart/AWD brake upgrade).

u need minimum 16's to fit the standard ralliart brakes, and 17's to fit the hoppers stoppers magna upgrade and then they only just fit

u need minimum 16's to fit the standard ralliart brakes, and 17's to fit the hoppers stoppers magna upgrade and then they only just fit

So my 16s should be fine then... as per my 1st post i edited it, as he got the rotor diameter wrong, it is 294mm, the same size as the AWD front rotors if my memory is correct.

hmmm just speaking to Dave from RPW and he thinks that the calipers wont fit and the unit wont fit behind the factory rims :(
I don't know what to believe now... and I certainly aren't forking out $500 for something that might be useless.

Eddy wreckers have a 380 or two that have come in recently. They have the same breaks as the Ralliart/AWD etc and they had 16" steelies on the earlier base models... Maybe that's worth looking into? At least you know it's a very straight forward swap, I'd imagine there's a bit of stuffing around getting Evo brakes to fit. Plus I reckon you would get the front rotors and calipers for under $500 all together.

hmmm just speaking to Dave from RPW and he thinks that the calipers wont fit and the unit wont fit behind the factory rims :(
I don't know what to believe now... and I certainly aren't forking out $500 for something that might be useless.

fork out another 500, sell ya 16's n buy some 17"s...

:P

Evo Brembos (320mm)need a min 17inch wheel.. u also need to make sure caliper will fi behind the wheel.. 99.9% of the time it wont..:)

Go the AWD/brakes if you can get a set cheaply. They will def fit with the stock 16's, as my vrx awd came with 16s stock :p

294mm is the same size as the rotor used on the ralliart/AWD.

You know what, someone suggested to me a while ago those brakes look exactly the same as early non-brembo EVO brakes, and I suspect that's the case. In which case it should be a straight bolt on. Better to make sure though...

294mm is the same size as the rotor used on the ralliart/AWD.

You know what, someone suggested to me a while ago those brakes look exactly the same as early non-brembo EVO brakes, and I suspect that's the case. In which case it should be a straight bolt on. Better to make sure though...

Yeah the rotor is the same size, just the caliper I have to worry about...

Well I can't make sure without trying them on... which I can't as the guy is in another state, so might just have to give it a miss, I can't afford to potentially waste $500...

fork out another 500, sell ya 16's n buy some 17"s...

:P

I would love to get some 18's, but I just spent $2600 on a home audio system (pure audio, not home theater) and now I have to save for a house and ring :P So I think my major spending days are over for a while :(

Evo Brembos (320mm)need a min 17inch wheel.. u also need to make sure caliper will fi behind the wheel.. 99.9% of the time it wont..:)
so whats the .1 percent?

they had 16" steelies on the earlier base models...

Thats correct, I had to buy a 380 16" steel wheel to clear the brakes as my original was a factory alloy 15".

Well just been chatting to the guy. His Evo IIV had 15" steelies from factory which fitted fine with the calipers.
Does anyone know off the top of their heads what the offset is for the TH Sports rim?

Edit: Found it, its 46mm

The guys a champ, he's gonna send me a caliper over for me to try and see if it fits.
So we will know soon enough! :D
Will keep you posted.

Well just been chatting to the guy. His Evo IIV had 15" steelies from factory which fitted fine with the calipers.
Does anyone know off the top of their heads what the offset is for the TH Sports rim?

Edit: Found it, its 46mm

Are you sure his EVO3 didnt have the twin spot calipers with a 276mm (RS spec brakes) ? The 276mm rotor and twin spot calipers is the same setup the USA diamantes had that we built here in adelaide. I sold a pair of the twin spot calipers to MEH which fitted up to his stock 276mm TF rotors.

Reason i ask is that when i was helping the mitsubishi ralliart rally service team in 2001 there EVO6 group N cars only had 276mm rotors with twin spot calipers the reason for that being the 15" rally rims wouldnt clear the 294mm rotor.

Also my stock 16" TH sports spare wheel only just clears my ralliart magna (294mm) front brakes, 15" steel rims sit on the caliper and stop the wheel from turning.

Eddy wreckers have a 380 or two that have come in recently. They have the same breaks as the Ralliart/AWD etc and they had 16" steelies on the earlier base models... Maybe that's worth looking into? At least you know it's a very straight forward swap, I'd imagine there's a bit of stuffing around getting Evo brakes to fit. Plus I reckon you would get the front rotors and calipers for under $500 all together.

very good advice.

AWD brakes would match your duty spec imo, and are immediately compatible.

very good advice.

AWD brakes would match your duty spec imo, and are immediately compatible.

Actually the 380 has 4mm thicker front rotors (28mm Vs ralliart/AWD magnas 24mm) so in theroy they should be slightly better than ralliart/AWD magna brakes, also the 380 uses an alloy front caliper as opposed to the ralliart/AWD magnas cast iron front caliper.

Actually the 380 has 4mm thicker front rotors (28mm Vs ralliart/AWD magnas 24mm) so in theroy they should be slightly better than ralliart/AWD magna brakes, also the 380 uses an alloy front caliper as opposed to the ralliart/AWD magnas cast iron front caliper.

very interesting, thanks for that.

Are you sure his EVO3 didnt have the twin spot calipers with a 276mm (RS spec brakes) ? The 276mm rotor and twin spot calipers is the same setup the USA diamantes had that we built here in adelaide. I sold a pair of the twin spot calipers to MEH which fitted up to his stock 276mm TF rotors.

Reason i ask is that when i was helping the mitsubishi ralliart rally service team in 2001 there EVO6 group N cars only had 276mm rotors with twin spot calipers the reason for that being the 15" rally rims wouldnt clear the 294mm rotor.

Also my stock 16" TH sports spare wheel only just clears my ralliart magna (294mm) front brakes, 15" steel rims sit on the caliper and stop the wheel from turning.

Its off an EVO4, and he said its had an upgrade to the GSR brakes which are 294mm.
I did a quick check on the rotors....
The centre hole is the same size (69mm)
Overall diameter is obviously different (276mm and 294mm)
Actual disc thickness where the pads grab is the same (24mm)
The total depth from back to front is 1mm different (45 and 46)

So they will fit no hassles I reckon.
Tonight i will measure the spacing for th mounting bolts on my calipers to see if they match his (160mm).

Its off an EVO4, and he said its had an upgrade to the GSR brakes which are 294mm.
I did a quick check on the rotors....
The centre hole is the same size (69mm)
Overall diameter is obviously different (276mm and 294mm)
Actual disc thickness where the pads grab is the same (24mm)
The total depth from back to front is 1mm different (45 and 46)

So they will fit no hassles I reckon.
Tonight i will measure the spacing for th mounting bolts on my calipers to see if they match his (160mm).

Our magnas have 160mm bolt spacings for the calipers.

Also the 1mm difference in hat height will be ok as the ralliart/awd has the 1mm difference too and those brakes fitted and work fine on my car

If you look back through some old threads (if there still on here) i posted up pictures of the bolt spacings etc

Jason you are a champ! :D
Saved me pulling my rim off tonight to measure it :P
I did a search previously but there was sooo much to read through I gave up after a while.

Ok I will get him to send the caliper down and see if it will foul with my rim. If it doesnt I havea good brake upgrade for not too much! :D

Cheers
Pete

Ok a bit more info... the DBA part number for the EVO4 GSR is exactly the same as the Magna AWD so the rotor won't be a hassle as I'm pretty sure a few members have done that rotor conversion. The only thing I can see getting in the way is the dust guard thingy (I think thats what it is.

And Jason just confirmed the mounting hole distance is the same. So looks like we may be on a winner... Just need to check to see if the caliper fits behind my stock mags...

Actually the 380 has 4mm thicker front rotors (28mm Vs ralliart/AWD magnas 24mm) so in theroy they should be slightly better than ralliart/AWD magna brakes, also the 380 uses an alloy front caliper as opposed to the ralliart/AWD magnas cast iron front caliper.

just confirming that the 380 calipers and rotors will fit a TH magna bolt on??

thanks

Ok a bit more info... the DBA part number for the EVO4 GSR is exactly the same as the Magna AWD so the rotor won't be a hassle as I'm pretty sure a few members have done that rotor conversion. The only thing I can see getting in the way is the dust guard thingy (I think thats what it is.

With the Ralliart rotors, they quite different...
They are thinner than even my stock Magna rotors!! :shock: 20mm compared to 24mm.
They are also smaller in diameter than the AWD (284 compared to 294)
They are much deeper though (57mm compared to 46mm)
So the hat height is 37mm compared to 22mm.

And Jason just confirmed the mounting hole distance is the same. So looks like we may be on a winner... Just need to check to see if the caliper fits behind my stock mags...

Mate you have the fronts mixed up with the rears.

The front rotors for the ralliart/AWD's are same thickness as stock magnas main difference is the diameter which as you know is 294mm ralliart/awd v 276mm stock magna.

Im using DBA 4417 rotors on the front of my car with ralliart magna calipers.

The ralliart/awd rears are 284mm x 20mm vented rotors (only difference is the hat height which is 60.2mm for the AWD and 57mm for the ralliart) compared to the stock magnas 258mm x 10.5mm (with a hat height of 56.5mm) solid rotors.

:redface: gee you are right.. I double checked and the DBA catalogue didn't have the fronts but I didn't notice that... Sorry guys!

:redface: gee you are right.. I double checked and the DBA catalogue didn't have the fronts but I didn't notice that... Sorry guys!

All is good mate :D

Also my stock 16" TH sports spare wheel only just clears my ralliart magna (294mm) front brakes, 15" steel rims sit on the caliper and stop the wheel from turning.

Did you run into any other problems with the 294mm rotors? To me the factory dust cap or whatever it is on the back looks like it could get into the way...

Did you run into any other problems with the 294mm rotors? To me the factory dust cap or whatever it is on the back looks like it could get into the way...

No probs at all.

The ralliart magna used the standard magna brake dust shields, so no probs with any clearance issues there.

If ya have any issues feel free to come and have a look at my car, only problem is the car is up at mannum engineless.

just confirming that the 380 calipers and rotors will fit a TH magna bolt on??

thanks

I'll let you know within the next 2 weeks ;)

Heres a pic showing the backing plate clearance, 294mm rotors no probs.
One other thing your brake hoses are different, the twin spot calipers have a different fitting for the brake line.

The EVO IV calipers fit!!! :bouncin:

I haven't got the bigger rotors on yet, I just stuck one of the calipers on to see if they would clear the factory mags. They do with a fair bit of room!
So here comes a new set of brakes! :D Hopefully install them next weekend.
I will bleed the fluid and replace that at the same time with Castrol Super Dot 4.
With the brake lines, if I need custom ones made up, who would do that sort of thing?

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Get a pic of the new caliper next to the old one for size comparison.

Here ya go.. I don't need to label them.. the difference is obvious :P
There are no pads in the EVO ones as I was just trying for rim clearance.
Ignore the lump of metal you can see at the bottom of the EVO calipers, it is just the old caliper as it was just hanging by the brake line as I didn't want to disconnect it.

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Haha! Outstanding.

Would be good if someone could check this just out of interest, to see if the calipers are the same as the AWD/Ralliart.
I can see 3 part numbers on the caliper... '4304' and '4314' and '69T'.

Cheers
Pete

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Those look exactly the same as the KS Verada twin piston calipers :confused:

Those look exactly the same as the KS Verada twin piston calipers :confused:

I was just about to say that. They look damn near identical...

Thats why I want someone to check the part numbers. I have a funny feeling the EVO calipers (non-Brembo ones) are identical to the AWD/Ralliart ones...

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g35/z0mgluke/25062007631.jpg

My KS twin piston calipers...

OK the AWD and Ralliart front calipers and rotors are identical sourced from the evo and are made by Akebona here's their site, http://www.akebono-brake.co.jp/english/top/seihin.html. in Japan the TR,S & KR,S are almost identical but the mounting bracket has a different distance between the 2 mounting bolts, but the body could be fitted to AWD mounting bracket.

Heres a pic of an AWD caliper and an AWD and Rallliart and the old beside the new.
As for brake lines I went genuine as RPW couldn't help, however there web site brake lines look the bloody same as mine.

Thanks! Wish you had popped your head in a couple days ago LOL

Further proof... I noticed your AWD/Ralliart calipers have exactly the same part numbers as my EVO IV calipers, 4304 and 4314.

So... Conclusion... EVO IV GSR calipers and rotors fit Magnas!
I will take photos onces its all installed, as I want to get braided hoses and paint the cailpers.

Thanks heaps for all the help guys!

Pete

How much did you pay for them?
Cause TR-KS Twin pots are like $50 a pop from most wreckers

Not sure on the final figure yet, but it will be about $400 for a set of EVO IV calipers, pads and Project MU 294mm rotors ($600 each new!!!). Most of the cost is because of the rotors.

Not sure on the final figure yet, but it will be about $400 for a set of EVO IV calipers, pads and Project MU 294mm rotors ($600 each new!!!). Most of the cost is because of the rotors.
$600 each for a rotor?! My 320mm DBA 4000 slotteds were only $300 each.

$600 each for a rotor?! My 320mm DBA 4000 slotteds were only $300 each.

Which are a standard run of the mill design. Project MU is a high end competition brand, they are a very light slotted 2 piece alloy/steel design. When these end up getting too thin (probably not in the time I have the car) I will just replace them with DBA slotted rotors.

Which are a standard run of the mill design. Project MU is a high end competition brand, they are a very light slotted 2 piece alloy/steel design. When these end up getting too thin (probably not in the time I have the car) I will just replace them with DBA slotted rotors.
They will be complete overkill mate unless you are going to be doing a lot of track work. Those sort of rotors are used by guys with racing cars.

Agreed, mate spending $600 EACH on MU rotors to be blunt is utterly idiotic.

you will notice absouletly NO GAIN from them (besides the wank value of telling people you spent $1200 on 294mm rotors for a magnas, and having them roll their eyes at you).

If you want tough rotors that will stand up to repeated track abuse, you need look no further than DBA4000, or possibly even DBA5000 (alloy hat) if you want some wank value.

I bought a front set of DBA 4000 slotted for $450-500 from memory. They've now done 2 full track outings and look brand new. No sign of cracking, scoring or warping.

There's a reason why the DBA4000/5000s are so popular for track-goers, they are pretty much indestructable, at a fraction of the price of the super exoctic stuff.

And please don't paint your calipers in a bright colour, it does nothing besides making you like a tool. IMO paint them heatproof black or leave them alone.

I recently did the front twin piston brake upgrade to my Verada as well and like many others I went with DBA 4000 front slotted rotors. I got the front pair for $330 from Hightek Brakes in Moorabbin.

I recently did the front twin piston brake upgrade to my Verada as well and like many others I went with DBA 4000 front slotted rotors. I got the front pair for $330 from Hightek Brakes in Moorabbin.
That is an excellent price.

There ya go Poita mate, spend the $900 you saved on something else.

geez $330? That's an unbelievable price for them!

If/when I need new ones, would they do that price for me? or did they give it to you that cheap for some special reason?

Agreed, mate spending $600 EACH on MU rotors to be blunt is utterly idiotic.

you will notice absouletly NO GAIN from them (besides the wank value of telling people you spent $1200 on 294mm rotors for a magnas, and having them roll their eyes at you).

If you want tough rotors that will stand up to repeated track abuse, you need look no further than DBA4000, or possibly even DBA5000 (alloy hat) if you want some wank value.

I bought a front set of DBA 4000 slotted for $450-500 from memory. They've now done 2 full track outings and look brand new. No sign of cracking, scoring or warping.

There's a reason why the DBA4000/5000s are so popular for track-goers, they are pretty much indestructable, at a fraction of the price of the super exoctic stuff.

And please don't paint your calipers in a bright colour, it does nothing besides making you like a tool. IMO paint them heatproof black or leave them alone.

Very true ive got the DBA 4000series wiper slot rotors on my magna and they have taken an absolute hiding and are still like new. I think alot of the advantages of the DBA4000/5000 series rotors are there "kangaroo paw" cooling setup which reduces the chance of hot spotting the rotor surface.

I got my DBA's for $145.60 each

Oh and i painted my calipers in Dark blue VHT caliper paint only because they didnt have black in stock.

geez $330? That's an unbelievable price for them!

If/when I need new ones, would they do that price for me? or did they give it to you that cheap for some special reason?
When i went there initially i was after normal DBA 294mm slotted rotors for the AWD/Ralliart Magna. They told me DBA don't make these rotors in normal slotted design anymore, but they did in 4000 series 6x6 wiper slot design. So i got these for $165 each. Best thing would be to email them and see what price they can do as they will post them Australia wide too. Here's their website addy: www.hightekbrakes.com.au.

They will be complete overkill mate unless you are going to be doing a lot of track work. Those sort of rotors are used by guys with racing cars.

They might be overkill, but he is giving the lot (rotors and calipers) to me for under $400 so I am not complaining!
I am NOT paying $600 for each! I am not that dumb.

They might be overkill, but he is giving the lot (rotors and calipers) to me for under $400 so I am not complaining!
I am NOT paying $600 for each! I am not that dumb.
Oh, well you didn't say that. lol Good buy mate!

so Ks Twin pistons would also fit then???

We need a thread stickied of what will and wont fit off of other cars.

Thats why I want someone to check the part numbers. I have a funny feeling the EVO calipers (non-Brembo ones) are identical to the AWD/Ralliart ones...
That's exactly what my mechanic said when I fitted mine years ago and he should know considering he's spent years competing in the ARC.

Can anyone confirm that I will/won't need to get new brake lines? Someone mentioned it but I'm not sure... don't want to bleed the fluid only to fnd the lines don't fit! :P

Can anyone confirm that I will/won't need to get new brake lines? Someone mentioned it but I'm not sure... don't want to bleed the fluid only to fnd the lines don't fit! :P

Well when i went from TR standard Single pistons to the KS Twin pistons I did need a new brake line, they are a fraction longer, I got them from ABS Brake parts for $33 a hose (Only needed one hose)

Also when doing the conversion make sure you use quality tools, i used a cheapo pipe spanner to try and get the brake hose off from the top and i just rounded the nut fully :D

Where does the brake hose connect to the caliper? At the end, or at the back? The reason I ask is that there are several different types of hose fittings, and you'll need to know exactly what you're asking for if you get hoses made up.

As far as I know, only ABS is allowed to make hoses to sell over the counter; everyone else will refuse. When I fitted twin pistons to my KR, I had the choice of signing a waiver and having the work done, or not doing it.

Can anyone confirm that I will/won't need to get new brake lines? Someone mentioned it but I'm not sure... don't want to bleed the fluid only to fnd the lines don't fit! :P
It is definately a different fitting at the caliper end only on the 3rd gen . the single piston is a PBR which has a different connection type to the twin piston Akebono.
Please look at the attached pics.

I got mine from mitsubishi just ask for awd or ralliart front flex lines. ABS couldn't help as they had no listing for the 2 pots and without a sample of the olive could not do it for me. RPW said they would need a sample as they weren't the brakes they sell, they may now have them as that was a year ago.

Edit pitty the pics **** but here a shot
http://www.rpw.com.au/shop/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=580&category_id=179&manufacturer_id=0&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=54

Sweet! And thanks for the RPW link!
Whats the chances/benefits of getting braided lines made up?

normal brake lines expand and flex under brake press which reduces the pedal feel/ braking. the braided lines have very limited expansion and give better pedal feel/braking, that's the theory anyway.
For street use I don't think its needed.

Sweet! And thanks for the RPW link!
Whats the chances/benefits of getting braided lines made up?

Ive got braided lines on my magna mainly because i do track work, where the combination of the braided lines and the master cylinder brace i made really helped reduce pedal travel/effort.

In all honesty braided lines arnt needed if your only doing street work.

No worries, thanks! Just heard they were good but not sure why or if they were a worthwhile addition. Wont worry about them then.

HECTOR!!!!
Just got this quote from Mitsi....

Front Flex Line (MR205019) $88.20 each, need 2
Bolt to attach the flex line (MB082326) $11.45 each, need 2
Copper Washers to seal flex line (MR908255) $2.35 each, need 4
Caliper Seal Kit (MB857840) $76.65 each, need 2

So total for both sides is: $362 :shock:
Talk about a rip off... might see if I can find some prices cheaper elsewhere...
That RPW link above shows the Flex lines for $60 each, so thats a start...

Hmmm I can get the Pajero caliper kit for $45/side... does anyone know whether these are the same calipers?

Cheers
Pete

Pajero is the same as 2nd gen Magna I looked at them when researching mine, so that is a NO.

I made up a cardboard C shape that had the bolt spacing for the 2nd and 3rd gen calipers marked on it, then I went round the carpark at work and asked anyone with a Pajero if I could measure their caliper bolts, boy did I get some funny looks :nuts: :bowrofl:

Ive got braided lines on my magna mainly because i do track work, where the combination of the braided lines and the master cylinder brace i made really helped reduce pedal travel/effort.

In all honesty braided lines arnt needed if your only doing street work.

Interesting, I was wondering whether it would be worthwhile getting braided lines and a brace or not, I take it the difference in pedal feel/effort is faily dramatic on the track?

Did you do both at once, or seperately? Both gave a tangible benefit on the track?

I assume no one makes aftermarket braces for a magna, where would be a good place to get one made, and would what would be a reasonable price?

Interesting, I was wondering whether it would be worthwhile getting braided lines and a brace or not, I take it the difference in pedal feel/effort is faily dramatic on the track?

Did you do both at once, or seperately? Both gave a tangible benefit on the track?

I assume no one makes aftermarket braces for a magna, where would be a good place to get one made, and would what would be a reasonable price?

I made and fitted the master cylinder brace first way back in 2000 after taking the basic idea for it from my old subaru. The brace made a big difference on the track as it cut the power booster/firewall flex when braking hard by a fair amount.

The brace i made was my first (and only) prototype knocked up as a test/trial (when i was still working in MMAL R&D) and has worked so good ive never got around to making it look "pretty" but as far as im concerned it works and thats the main thing. A few AMC members have seen the brace and asked if id make them one but time is something i dont have much of these days.

The street legal braided lines i fitted in late 2003 a few months after i fitted the ralliart/AWD brakes to my car. The braided lines have also reduced brake effort by a good amount.

I reckon if your going to do some major track days then better quality rotors/pads are a must and/or a upgrade to at least ralliart magna brakes before the fitment of braided lines.

I reckon if your going to do some major track days then better quality rotors/pads are a must and/or a upgrade to at least ralliart magna brakes before the fitment of braided lines.

Agreed, I got the ralliart/awd front calipers with Ferodo DS2500 and DBA4000, and they hold up great on the track (Wakefield anyway, a track like EC could be a different story).

Fade isn't really an issue, but reducing pedal pressure for easier modulation would be nice.

OK, I'm trying to find a place to make brake leads up...
Now I know that the fitting on the caliper is different, but what about the fitting on the other end of the hose? I assume that is the same as on the AWD/Ralliart??

Also can I ask a favour, if anyone has a spare front flex line to fit the AWD/Ralliart calipers, can I borrow it? Would make it heaps easier as then they can make mine from the sample... as no one seems to have a listing for them.

. as no one seems to have a listing for them.

Ain't that the truth, I couldn't believe no-one had a listing.
The brake line is identical in every way except the caliper fitting.