Hey all. I am trying to gather some info and your opinions in regards to me getting more power out of my 2000 KJ Verada. Yes I have done a search but I couldn't get all the info I needed so thought I would start a new thread.

Currently the only intake and exhaust mods I have are K&N panel filter and a Redback cat back exhaust. I will soon be getting extractors and a high flow cat.

If I went down the track of a Sprintex supercharger kit (which they still have a few left in run out mode), I would be looking at about $8K installed which would include the kit itself + high pressure fuel pump + auto trans cooler + tune + install. After speaking to a person who has done this mod to a car similar to mine, I would expect about 150-160kw atw.

If I went done the track of NA mods I would be looking at Ralliart cams + EZ boy intake manifold + Unichip + tune + install. I haven't priced this option yet but i'm guesstimating around $4K? Please correct me if I'm wrong. How much power do you think these type of NA mods would return?

I am not after heaps of power or interested in racing my car. I just want a nice cruiser with an extra bit of power and driveability thrown into the mix. Your constructive comments are appreciated!

I put Ralliart Cams and Pacemaker headers on my KJ, along with the Redback+Cat, and if you actually drive it sensibly the fuel efficiency has improved.

But when you nail it you can definitely feel a difference, especially if youre already doing 60km/h or so. Its not a street machine, but it does have that extra bit of grunt, and Ive been driving my KE with the stocko headers on it for the last 2 days and you definitely notice the difference.

Honestly, anyway you decide to go (be it forced induction or N/A), I'd seriously consider a manual conversion first. This alone will give you around 20kW at the wheels advantage over the auto, and will then lay the ground work for more power down the track as the autos tend to sap a fair amount of power once you start making anything more then a handful of kW. Good examples are the supercharged auto Magnas, they hit the wall at 150-160kW.

I'd do a manual conversion first before even contemplating more power, as you will then make the most of it, spending bit money on more increases and then getting average results will be very disappointing.

Good examples are the supercharged auto Magnas, they hit the wall at 150-160kW.


pffft

mine with no other more mods than anyone elses few auto rattled off 188awkw after almost 6hrs on the dyno on a hot day!

he's got a tip top luxo verada, i'd bee more ken on keeping it as a cruiser, a mild cam grind and unichip should keep him happy for a lil while.... should he then want more power, i'd then consider manual and maybe selling up and downgrading to an exec... veradas are luxury and cruising machines.... wanna a race/sports magna do up an exec

After speaking to a person who has done this mod to a car similar to mine, I would expect about 150-160kw atw.
Who??? lol

Like I said, the only thing holding the engine + sprintex back is the 4sp Auto.
When your really fanging it, you can actually feel that drop off in power when you get to 4500rpm.
But if your happy with the power figure i showed you, then by all means go ahead.

Otherwise all the other things you wanna do are perfectly fine IMO

pffft

mine with no other more mods than anyone elses few auto rattled off 188awkw after almost 6hrs on the dyno on a hot day!

he's got a tip top luxo verada, i'd bee more ken on keeping it as a cruiser, a mild cam grind and unichip should keep him happy for a lil while.... should he then want more power, i'd then consider manual and maybe selling up and downgrading to an exec... veradas are luxury and cruising machines.... wanna a race/sports magna do up an exec
5sp is completely different

Mine (4sp auto) 155atw tuned
Tristians (5sp trip) 170+ atw Tuned
Andrew (5sp AWD) 180+ atw Tuned
Cant remeber Sports (5sp manual) atw power but it was around 160-170
TZABOY (Manual Ralliart) - alot!! :bowrofl:

5sp is completely different

Mine (4sp auto) 155atw tuned
Tristians (5sp trip) 170+ atw Tuned
Andrew (5sp AWD) 180+ atw Tuned
Cant remeber Sports (5sp manual) atw power but it was around 160-170
TZABOY (Manual Ralliart) - alot!! :bowrofl:

wookiee (4sp auto) 160 atw pre tune.

I'm expecting 180+atw post tune.

then I'm expecting all those saying the auto boxes are crap to STFU.

cheers,
.wook

EDIT: in my opinion the thing holding the 4sp back is the ratio. it's just too tall in 1st and 2nd.

EDIT: in my opinion the thing holding the 4sp back is the ratio. it's just too tall in 1st and 2nd.

I dont really race my car, but I find being able to do 80/90 in first and 130/140 in 2nd is awesome, by the time 2nd winds out then its time to slow down anyway.

I dont really race my car, but I find being able to do 80/90 in first and 130/140 in 2nd is awesome, by the time 2nd winds out then its time to slow down anyway.
yeah, it's kinda cool to be able to hit decent speeds in 1st and 2nd (like 160 at about 6400 in 2nd).

but the tall ratios mean the engine takes forever to get there. shorter ratios would help overall acceleration, and even racing (1/4 or circuit) what's the top speed you're ever going to get to? maybe 180? 200 on a long straight like Eastern Creek? so a box that does about 160 in 2nd and 220+ in 3rd isn't really going to be that fast.

I'm thinking about shortening the drive ratio when I replace my diff (if I still have the 4sp then).

cheers,
.wook

EDIT:
to Mohit

if you get the Sprintex kit you'll see some good power gains. you'll go from maybe 105 - 115 atw to around 150 - 160 atw, and the torque is killer!! if you're willing to have it re-tuned and do some exhaust/intake work you'll see some impressive gains on top of that. I think it's good value for money without cracking the engine open.

if you're willing to crack engine and stay NA you might get to the same as the standard tune Sprintex kit. there are a few guys on here who got close to 200 atw NA, but they were manual cars.

pffft

mine with no other more mods than anyone elses few auto rattled off 188awkw after almost 6hrs on the dyno on a hot day!

he's got a tip top luxo verada, i'd bee more ken on keeping it as a cruiser, a mild cam grind and unichip should keep him happy for a lil while.... should he then want more power, i'd then consider manual and maybe selling up and downgrading to an exec... veradas are luxury and cruising machines.... wanna a race/sports magna do up an exec

Not sure on all the 5 speed gearboxes, but you run the same gearbox as the EVO 7 GTA, so you can't talk. lol

As for the Verada being a cruiser, who said cruisers can't go fast. Plenty of fast cruiser BMWs and Mercs getting around. :D


wookiee (4sp auto) 160 atw pre tune.

I'm expecting 180+atw post tune.

then I'm expecting all those saying the auto boxes are crap to STFU.

cheers,
.wook

EDIT: in my opinion the thing holding the 4sp back is the ratio. it's just too tall in 1st and 2nd.

Hey I'm more then happy to be proved wrong. But so far most of the people that returned their cars for more power managed to pop a piston or two.

Also the gears only affect the torque reading on a dyno, not so much the peak power. So until I see otherwise, I'm going to say the 4 spd autos don't like to play nice with large power increases.

Black beard had similar experience with his NA mods to his car before upgrading to manual and turbocharging it.

Hey I'm more then happy to be proved wrong. But so far most of the people that returned their cars for more power managed to pop a piston or two.

the only people that I know of who've popped pistons are TZABOY, Andrewd and sports. Jase's was because he mechanically upped the boost, I believe Andrewd's was nothing to do with the supercharger and I can't find any details on what sports did. there are a bunch of people running custom tunes on their Sprintex kits who have had no problems.

EDIT: from what I can tell, sports broke a couple of pistons. possibly due to a lean mixture.


Also the gears only affect the torque reading on a dyno, not so much the peak power. So until I see otherwise, I'm going to say the 4 spd autos don't like to play nice with large power increases.

the only other 4sp auto that had a kit on it was micjaiy's and his torque converter was stuffed. I got more pre tune atw (see my sig) than he got post-tune. you'll see in about a week how much I get through my 4sp auto.


Black beard had similar experience with his NA mods to his car before upgrading to manual and turbocharging it.

that's irrelevant. there's no way I'm going to argue that you won't get more power to the wheels through a manual 'box, but everyone just dismisses the auto 'boxes as crap. I'm sure there are quite a few people out there waiting for me to blow up either my engine or 'box, but I'm confident I'll get a good result next week. and I'm also confident that the engine and 'box will last more than a couple of months.

time will tell.

cheers,
.wook

Having been in wookiees car i can tell you it definitely isn't slow. In fact i'd safely say i'd rather drive an auto supercharged magna than a manual, simply because gear changes are alot easier and it makes a nice to drive, but fairly quick cruiser.

And yeh i agree wookiee, the 5 spd auto has much better gear ratios which would probably be more suited to the forced induction, you have a tippy 4spd, so a 5spd conversion couldn't be too hard :P.

that's irrelevant. there's no way I'm going to argue that you won't get more power to the wheels through a manual 'box, but everyone just dismisses the auto 'boxes as crap. I'm sure there are quite a few people out there waiting for me to blow up either my engine or 'box, but I'm confident I'll get a good result next week. and I'm also confident that the engine and 'box will last more than a couple of months.

time will tell.

cheers,
.wook

Wow slow down there buddy lol I wasn't arguing, so please don't take my posts in a negative manner as thats not my intention. I was simply stating what I've seen on these forums. Thats why I said I was more then happy to be shown otherwise. Also for the record, I never said the 4spd gearboxes where crap, I just said that I thought they where a hindrance to power (form my experience).

I seriously hope you get good results from your setup. But I'll still say manual is the way to go for a first mod (if Mohit doesn't mind driving one), as there are more advantages then the lower drive train loss over an auto.


Having been in wookiees car i can tell you it definitely isn't slow. In fact i'd safely say i'd rather drive an auto supercharged magna than a manual, simply because gear changes are alot easier and it makes a nice to drive, but fairly quick cruiser.

And yeh i agree wookiee, the 5 spd auto has much better gear ratios which would probably be more suited to the forced induction, you have a tippy 4spd, so a 5spd conversion couldn't be too hard :P.

I never questioned the speed of his car. As for gear changes being easier...ofcourse they are, you don't have to do them...lol But if you drive manual everyday it becomes 2nd nature anyway, it's never a chore unless you have a brass button style clutch...that can become a pain in the **** in heavy traffic or reversing up hills :0.


Now everyone group hug :doh: lol

As for the Verada being a cruiser, who said cruisers can't go fast. Plenty of fast cruiser BMWs and Mercs getting around. :D





AMG mercs in manual :confused:

and BMW has stated that in the Mseries they have put conventional manuals in just to please Motoring jurnos


i have nothing against manuals i've had heaps of them... even my vespa is manual lol

but you dont need a manual to go fast anymore

Currently the only intake and exhaust mods I have are K&N panel filter and a Redback cat back exhaust. I will soon be getting extractors and a high flow cat.

If I went down the track of a Sprintex supercharger kit (which they still have a few left in run out mode), I would be looking at about $8K installed which would include the kit itself + high pressure fuel pump + auto trans cooler + tune + install. After speaking to a person who has done this mod to a car similar to mine, I would expect about 150-160kw atw.

If I went done the track of NA mods I would be looking at Ralliart cams + EZ boy intake manifold + Unichip + tune + install. I haven't priced this option yet but i'm guesstimating around $4K? Please correct me if I'm wrong. How much power do you think these type of NA mods would return?

I am not after heaps of power or interested in racing my car. I just want a nice cruiser with an extra bit of power and driveability thrown into the mix. Your constructive comments are appreciated!

There is always the babble about converting to manual for quick gains. I am sure Mohit knows this already, However if you look at my mods http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/member.php?u=4199 ......it will give you an indication of how much power you will get. The autos suck out around 20-25% more power than a manual, which is why everyone loves manuals.

One the first things i would do is the intake manifold. From my research you will get better gains out of that than extractors. Extractors will help later. I want one but dont have the cash.
If you keep the auto go more agressive than ralliart cams and get stage one cams and cam gears. If you want more top end you can dial the gears retarded around 6 degrees, but expect no take off. I originally had 4 degrees retarded and it took off quick but died early in the top end so i compromised with dialing in mine at 2 degrees retarded. had less top end "higher h.p figure" but i have had a flat 2.2 60 foot time, which is good for an auto. just stuffed the gear changes for a good e.t

For dollar/kw value it is the manual conversion, supercharger, cams and intake/exhaust mods.


Who??? lol

Like I said, the only thing holding the engine + sprintex back is the 4sp Auto.
When your really fanging it, you can actually feel that drop off in power when you get to 4500rpm.
But if your happy with the power figure i showed you, then by all means go ahead.

Otherwise all the other things you wanna do are perfectly fine IMO

The cams would also hold it back as well.

2.2 60ft time is ok.... but what did it do on the 1/4?

out of interest my STOCK awd also did 2.2 60ft times on 20's lol

1 less luxo verada...? jees Mohit now who will i compete with? :P

The cams would also hold it back as well.
Yeah to a point, but andrewd, cittris, wookie all have standard cams aswell and they got better results than my car.

2.2 60ft time is ok.... but what did it do on the 1/4?

out of interest my STOCK awd also did 2.2 60ft times on 20's lol


had less top end "higher h.p figure" but i have had a flat 2.2 60 foot time, which is good for an auto. just stuffed the gear changes for a good e.t

I said 2.2 (it may have been lower)for the sake that i do not have the ticket it was 15.5 or sometin' ...really blew it. I ran a 15.1 with a 2.35 60 foot. i will go out next week to better it.(sorry for hijack)

1 less luxo verada...? jees Mohit now who will i compete with? :P
ME!!! :D lol

The powerout will be damn near even against 4 and 5 speed auto with the same mods and tuned by the same person.

The 5speed will kick ass in a race though due to gearing.

Thanks for all the replies everyone. Just to clear things up I won't be converting to manual. It's not that I don't know how to drive a manual but rather that I want to keep it a cruiser and in my mind a cruiser must be an auto.

I can understand some people saying that you lose more power with an auto than compared to a manual but MicJaiy, did yours not make that much power after the tune due to having a bad torque converter? How can you tell if a torque converter is bad? I don't have any problems with my auto trans, it shifts perfectly.

Also, going back to my question about NA mods in my original post, how much power would I expect with those mods and how much would the cost be roughly to get that power?

This is going to be a tough decision...supercharge or NA. I know I'm going to have lots of sleepness nights over this one!

And to those other guys with Veradas, don't worry too much as I'll always be here with my Verada to compete with you :P

And to those other guys with Veradas, don't worry too much as I'll always be here with my Verada to compete with you :P
challenge accepted, lol

challenge accepted, lol

hehe KH is no challenge to a KJ :P

and Mohit, u go hipo and u pass of ur rights to have a pimp rada, instead u can have a sporty one ;)

I thought Sprintex had sold the last of the kits a while ago???

I thought Sprintex had sold the last of the kits a while ago???
Nah they still have a few left, checked with them a few days ago.

Also, going back to my question about NA mods in my original post, how much power would I expect with those mods and how much would the cost be roughly to get that power?/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Magtone]There is always the babble about converting to manual for quick gains. I am sure Mohit knows this already, However if you look at my mods http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/member.php?u=4199 ......it will give you an indication of how much power you will get. The autos suck out around 20-25% more power than a manual, which is why everyone loves manuals.

All mods listed under engine cost me around $4000 fitted and tuned. it is heaps more fun to drive. Not big bang for $$$ the cams and gears and emanage alone netted me a bit over 20hpatw. I did the mods in stages too.

So if you have an extra 500 or so on top of what you got, you could get around 145-150katw

I would sprintex it Mohit. How can you resist a blower? Just don't tweak the boost etc and it'll be fine :)

[QUOTE=Mohit]
Also, going back to my question about NA mods in my original post, how much power would I expect with those mods and how much would the cost be roughly to get that power?/QUOTE]



All mods listed under engine cost me around $4000 fitted and tuned. it is heaps more fun to drive. Not big bang for $$$ the cams and gears and emanage alone netted me a bit over 20hpatw. I did the mods in stages too.

How much power did you end up making in the end?

[QUOTE=Magtone]

How much power did you end up making in the end?

RPW stage one Cams and Adjust. Cam gears,
Greddy Emanage.
K&N Panel Filter,
Pacemaker extractors,
21/2" Hi flow cat,Redback catback system,
DYI Hi Flowed Throttle Body
Modified additional CAI connected to factory intake.
Platinum plugs all round.
RPW thermoblock throttle body & plenum gaskets,
Barry's F.R.Kit,
Home made Earthing Kit. 175h.patw

so you can drop about $4000 on NA mods and get about 130kw atw (about a 20kw gain) or about double that on a Sprintex kit and get about double the gains.

I guess it comes down to how much you want to spend.

I'm a bit confused by this comment...

So if you have an extra 500 or so on top of what you got, you could get around 145-150katw

are you saying you could have spent $4500 and got almost the same as the Sprintex kit?

cheers,
.wook

so you can drop about $4000 on NA mods and get about 130kw atw (about a 20kw gain) or about double that on a Sprintex kit and get about double the gains.

I guess it comes down to how much you want to spend.

I'm a bit confused by this comment...


are you saying you could have spent $4500 and got almost the same as the Sprintex kit?

cheers,
.wook

yeh about those $ figures

extra 500 on his budget and his current mods, and yeh. i could get close...why not.

There was a user on here a long time ago who got 140kwatw with a rpw intake plenum and cams amongst his mods....J-pap...cant remember what he was called before now, but he had those sort of figures i think.
The cams were dialed in 6 degrees retarded...mine are only two degrees. the intake plenum would give more torque down low and the ability to dial the cams retarded more to pick up more top end and a figure around 145-150kwatw...makes me want a plenum more now....damn you wookie(lol) anyone got one to sell?

J-Pap is manual, and from memory hes got ovet 170kw atw

hehe KH is no challenge to a KJ :P

your totally right with that, the KH outclasses the KJ completely lol
in all honesty though to be serious im not a fan of the bonnet on the KJ and above, the birdbeak kind of look
although the rear end of them arent bad at all, but i think somehow they should have kept the lights on the bootlid, for parker/brake and reverse

J-Pap is manual, and from memory hes got ovet 170kw atw

manaul o.k must have been someone else...use to have the signature 'dyno proven 140kwatw and a whole lotter torque...theres an auto that can keep up with the manual boys'

didn't blackbeard gain 20kw with same mods going in a manual...hence similar j-pap's/mohit's option mods could give around 150kwatw in an auto

If I can only expect to get around 150kw atw regardless of going supercharger or NA should I just go NA as there will be no boost involved meaning less stress on engine components. Will end up being cheaper as well ey. But I would still love to have the torque and supercharger whine of the Sprintex kit!

I think I should prolly speak to some speed shops now who deal with Mitsubishis. I can think of G&D Performance in Dandenong and Technik Tuning in Heidelberg. Can anyone recommend anyone closer to Doncaster?

If I can only expect to get around 150kw atw regardless of going supercharger or NA should I just go NA as there will be no boost involved meaning less stress on engine components. Will end up being cheaper as well ey. But I would still love to have the torque and supercharger whine of the Sprintex kit!

I think I should prolly speak to some speed shops now who deal with Mitsubishis. I can think of G&D Performance in Dandenong and Technik Tuning in Heidelberg. Can anyone recommend anyone closer to Doncaster?
For what you are after I'd go the sprintex, you are gambling with your money with N/A mods.

Pro-tek in Preston, still on this side of town.

I'd vote for the Sprintex kit too.

At least you will get an easily noticable increase in performance and just as importantly...the sound:bowrofl:.

[QUOTE=Magtone]manaul o.k must have been someone else...use to have the signature 'dyno proven 140kwatw and a whole lotter torque...theres an auto that can keep up with the manual boys'

I think that was Bob Urquart or someone, think they had it 4 sale 'bout 6 weeks ago.

b well, D.

For what you are after I'd go the sprintex, you are gambling with your money with N/A mods.

Pro-tek in Preston, still on this side of town.

remember his budget is $4000. unless he gets a 2nd hand one i dont think a supercharger is gonna win the budget battle. He will definitley notice the power differance

the best pro for the super charger is the 12 month / 20k km warranty (http://sprintex.com.au/Magna_Supercharger_Kit_Warranty.asp) (assuming your car is under 100k km). you won't get ANY warranty with these NA mods.

I know that ~$3k is a bit to pay for peace of mind, but if you crack open the engine you're on your own.

cheers,
.wook

Don't just look at peak power figures, the Sprintex kit will make a shyte load more torque then the equivalent NA mods. And that alone will make it faster then a car with similar peak power but NA.

Correct - you have a big fat slab of torque, right where you want it...

The engineering of the kits is fabulous as well.

yeah yeah yeah

but these FWD sprintex'd magnas are all torque no traction :bowrofl:

yeah yeah yeah

but these FWD sprintex'd magnas are all torque no traction :bowrofl:

lol , What a punch line. Now go chop some springs.:P

If i can stretch my budget out a bit more i will prolly go supercharger. The torque would be awesome. I love torque.

might want to look into this as an alternative to sprintex, slightly cheaper
http://www.raptorsc.com.au/kits.php?id=35

might want to look into this as an alternative to sprintex, slightly cheaper
http://www.raptorsc.com.au/kits.php?id=35
also states;

"System is under development and scheduled for completion of basic hardware by November"

yeah saw that but also saw website was copywrited in 2006 so thought it might have meant last year.

does anyone know how much it costs and wat i need 2 do 2 convert my kh ei varada 2 manual?

does anyone know how much it costs and wat i need 2 do 2 convert my kh ei varada 2 manual?
Try a search (http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/search.php)

Well, it's been a couple of weeks of sleepness nights but i've finally decided to go with the Sprintex supercharger, and as such i put down a deposit for it earlier today. Install date is at the end of the month so i have another couple of weeks of sleepness nights in front of me!

and there goes a pimp car to the land of riceness.. ;)

supercharger is rice? whered you pull that from? try goin to the drags and tellin that to a big meaty old muscle car with one and see how you go, congrats mohit sounds like a good idea

and there goes a pimp car to the land of riceness.. ;)
2 thumbs down at you, how is that rice??

Hope you are happy with the kit Mohit

Dont drive it to hard to often lol

Dont drive it to hard to often lol


nah man leave stock as it was intended to be, just upgrade exh and intake etc...

no internal mods and DONT re tune

and you'll be 100% fine


i wish i still had my s/c didnt notice the extra power when i had it... but now in comparison to std.... where i still rev freely to 6k+ before with the s/c the torque didnt fall off and the power just keep going up and up...


what it means is the faster you go and higher you rev it.... the faster you go, and you really move!

jees some people cant take a joke :gtfo:

jees some people cant take a joke :gtfo:
Welcome to AMC, can I take your oder?

and there goes a pimp car to the land of riceness.. ;)
Not rice, but nice :D

BTW, there is now only 1 Sprintex kit left in Oz. The one i got (2nd last one) comes with an unlocked ECU for a custom tune. The remaining Sprintex kit comes with the locked ECU with the standard tune.

I dont really race my car, but I find being able to do 80/90 in first and 130/140 in 2nd is awesome, by the time 2nd winds out then its time to slow down anyway.

My KH handles those no problem. I couldn't believe when happened when I slipped down to 2nd for an overtake!!


Well, it's been a couple of weeks of sleepness nights but i've finally decided to go with the Sprintex supercharger, and as such i put down a deposit for it earlier today. Install date is at the end of the month so i have another couple of weeks of sleepness nights in front of me!

So how much did it end up setting you back?

So how much did it end up setting you back?
Will cost me about $8500 - $9000 which includes the supercharger, high pressure fuel pump, auto trans cooler, injector clean, pacemaker headers, high flow cat, tune and install labour.

Will cost me about $8500 - $9000 which includes the supercharger, high pressure fuel pump, auto trans cooler, injector clean, pacemaker headers, high flow cat, tune and install labour.

Thats more than I paid for my car :bowrofl:

Will cost me about $8500 - $9000 which includes the supercharger, high pressure fuel pump, auto trans cooler, injector clean, pacemaker headers, high flow cat, tune and install labour.


Nice work Moh you have done well with the rada mate, the supercharger will just put the cherry on the cake :D

Awesome stuff keep it up :thumbsup: