Hi all, for my first setup i'm going to get a head unit, 6x9's, 6.5 inch 2 or 3 way(should i get 2 or 3 way, i don't know what difference it makes so if you could tell me which one and what the difference is it'd be great) and in the future(as in minimum 6 months later if money permits) i will consider a sub. I want to get my speakers so they have a nice bassy sound but not ready for a sub yet. I am intending on getting an amp and i was wondering whether it would be worthwhile getting a 4 channel to start with(looking at the jaycar 4 channel) and using 2 channels for the 6.5's and then later on bridging the other 2 channels for the amp or whether i would get sufficient bass by also amping the 6x9's and scrapping the sub. Is amping the 6x9's worthwhile, will it make a difference or a waste of time. Cheers folks

~twiggy~

how about u start the system as:
HU
Splits (decent ones, atleast Jaycar splits)
6x9s (dont spend too much, whatever u can get for around $100 that wont blow up!)
4Ch amp

Use the 4x100W jaycar amp to power ur splits and 6x9s, and if you choose to bridge the 2 channels for a sub later (not that 200W is gonna b alot of bass), then its easy as.
wont be that hard to take the wires off the 6x9s and run em to a sub ;)

any reason i should choose splits over 2way or 3way? Only my mate says it's a bit of trouble making it sound good, as in getting the tweeter in a good place?

~twiggy~

what gen magna? 3rd? (what year?)

2nd gen 1993 v6 5 speed manual

ah 2nd gen, makes it a lil more tricky, i know 3rd gens so on that note i'll shutup now and wait for a 2nd genner to get back to u :P
(tho i do think theres a different door trim that makes it easy, otherwise ya cut a hole in the door near the top :) )

haha ok cheers for ur help anyways mate, will wait for a reply 2moro

~twiggy~

jaycar 4x100 makes more than 200wrms for the sub :P

it makes 380wrms at 14.4v :P

i would suggest a jvc head unit

response splits for up front

verada door trims (for your speakers)

no rear speakers and save up for a sub :)

around how much will that cost me? Oh, and i already have some cheap ****ty 6x9's
avalanche ava-363 It may not be much but i mean, my dad's 6x9 stocks in his toyota 4runner are heaps bassy and stock speakers aint exactly renowned for quality or decent sound so yeh. The reason i don't want a sub just yet is money costs and yeh. I want a sound system thats ok for me, not to impress friends or anything. The bass from 6x9's i've heard previously is enough so yeh, i'll leave it at that till i have the system for awhile n feel the need for a sub. Thanks for the advice.

Also, about the splits again. Pros, cons, is it easy to find a good place to put the tweeters to get good sound etc?

~twiggy~

you can put the tweeters on the a pillars, even just blue tack them if you want.

Verada door trims are fairly rare, but about $150 or so i think, not 100% on that one

not sure on the verada door trims but you'll need power windows anyway because the winder will hit the pods
anyway a basic system would be a HU with RCA outs
6.5 inch splits (better imaging plus with splits the speakers are only playing the frequencies they are designed to ie you don't have tweeters playing bass and woofers playing high sounds so they are more efficient and will go louder without distorting)
4 chan amp (response is damn good bang for buck)
10-12inch sub
6inch cheapies in parcel shelf

wiring it up
HU with RCA's to the amp
front channels to splits
bridge rear channels to sub
have the cheap 6's running barefoot off the HU (no amp) for if you actually wanna have a conversation in the car
amping your rear speakers will drag ya soundstage back behind you and remember your ears face forwards :D
g/l with it and have fun :cool:

ok cool, so i might go 6x9s, jvc headunit, 6.5 splits and a 4 channel amp.

so, jaycar amp is what i'll get, any ideas on the jvc headunit? umm, the 6.5 splits, i can get them from jaycar too can't i, those kevlar ones seem to be good an popular? and i'll just use my ****ty 6x9's i have atm unless i need to change. Should i amp up the 6x9's until i get an amp, will it give better sound or anything or not bother?

cheers

~twiggy~

ah, u replied at same time as me haha. Ok, so don't amp the 6x9 cheapies i have(i'll go 6x9's simply because i have them already and i don't have 6's)

I'll get the 4 channel amp once i get the system as it's easier than buying later and i can run the amp for the 6.5 splits in the meantime.
Umm, could you give me a rough estimate of a good HU (jvc i'm guessing), the response(or jaycar or woteva it is) amp and and 6.5 splits?

i'll get prices for a sub later as they won't be in my first spending spree haha

~twiggy~

http://www.jaycar.com.au
search and you will find
as for the JVC i don't know anything about em
i like alpine :D

reason i say not to amp ya rear speakers is because with a full amped system for it to sound any good it needs to be loud :cool:

if you wanna talk to ya passengers you simply fade to rear so you just have the rear speakers going or you can put ya amp remote wire on a separate switch

if ya feel like sending yaself deaf then you have that option too :D

haha fair enough. Ok, so i won't amp the 6x9's. I'll just have 6x9's on the parcel shelf(my cheapy avalanche ava-363), 6.5 splits(those response kevlar jaycar ones(150 bucks) and that jaycar 4 channel amp(300 bucks). Anyone got any ideas as to what kind of HU i can get? Ii want something as cheap as i can get that will be able to support all of the above and later on(6 months of more) a sub. Anyone got any ideas? I don't particularly like sony but alpine, pioneer and jvc appear to be good brands from what i've read. If anyone could provide prices and links for some good quality HU's that will be enough for what i need that'd be great(just so you know i'm 17 and on a fairly tight budget so yeh, thanks)

~twiggy~

my budget is as small as i can get it haha.
Umm, i'll be getting the head unit and 6.5's to begin and i already have some cheapy 6x9's, then i'll get the amp then a long time later i'll eventually get the sub. I'm not really interested in a screen i'm afraid. Intending on getting the new ipod nano when i get the headunit so any form of plugging an ipod into the HU will do, whether it's usb, a regular input jack or whatever so i don't really need DVD either, just mp3, cd and an input of some form(as i said, i don't really care what form the input is as long as it's a cable input, not fm transmitter) and that's about it. I don't know how many preouts i'd need, would it be 2 and a sub output or does the sub get included in the preouts? If so i'm guessing i'd need 3?
cheers

~twiggy~

Be sure to get some splits. I went way cheapie in my Corolla with 2-Way's front and rear and the sound reflects that compared to what I could have had (for more $$$ though), although max 4" fronts and 6" rears did limit my options.

Get a decent DVD HU if the budget allows otherwise a MP3/CD Headunit should do the trick nicely. 6.5" splits, some pioneer or kenwood 6x9's and a jaycar 4 channel response amp will finish it off.

Anyway, as to fitting it all, splits can go easy with the woofer in the door (you'll need to get the pods or fit it in the pocket sorta if you don't have them) and the tweeter can be mounted in place of the original 4" dash speakers. I'm yet to try that myself, but it isn't supposed to be too tricky so its worth a go. The rest will go in as per usual, 6x9 have plenty of space on the parcel shelf, amp can be mounted in the boot somewhere and obviously the HU will go in the dash just fine.

:D

Edit: I would avoid running the 6x9 and splits off the hu if you can, my Pioneer HU (4x50w peak standard) shows its lack in performance when I crank my 4" and 6" pioneer 2-ways, and they require far less than 6.5 splits and 6x9"s. Not gonna sound terrible, but an amp will improve sound dramatically.

thats the HU im geting spacky!

and a 4gb memory stick ;)

good boy :P

lol 2 be honest twiggy for the money that deck is good, and i dont think u'll find much in the way of CD HUs for <$300, so to get dvd and usb on it is a good deal. i didnt show it just for the purposes of a screen, just that its really good for what it offers, with the possiblility of the upgrades later.

ok cool. Umm, would this head unit be ok too?
*edited ebay links in ebay thread*
Otherwiselooks like i'll just save a little more and get the one you posted. And Lugo, you said DON'T amp the 6.5 splits or 6x9's? Won't the inbuilt amp in the HU be good if it's only running the 6x9's and the seperate amp(4x100) is running the 6.5 splits?(and eventually sub)

Thanks guys

~twiggy~

ok cool. Umm, would this head unit be ok too?

*edited ebay links in ebay thread*

doesnt have USB control, not a flip down face...

*still trying to get details on the outputs*

[quote=twiggy]And Lugo, you said DON'T amp the 6.5 splits or 6x9's?

i think it was a typo, i think he meant to amp it all (judging by the rest of what he said) :)

ah ok, umm, with that usb control stuff, can't i just control my ipod FROM my ipod?
Just wondering, and yeh, think i'll onl amp up the 6.5's at the front.

~twiggy~

Damn the bloody typos...I do that a lot... :rant:

Yeah you should amp them....obviously. Just when it comes down to it an decent headunit really only puts out about 22w a channel constant, which isn't really sufficient for 6x9's and splits. Like I think I said though, if you run them off the HU they won't sound crappy, just won't sound "as good" and will distort and lower volumes than off the amp.

tims getting rid of the ebay links, i hate that its helpful here, not like i'm making a topic about some listing *argh*



anyways, USB control allows u to use a thumb drive if u want (cheaper than ipod), and to use ipod you'll need to buy the adapter for it, not just plug and play.

also that cheap deck has like 1 output, so wont be a good idea for u for expansion (find the manual here (http://www.jvc-me.com/.%5Cprodimages%5CDownloads%5CKD-DV4205.pdf) ...not an ebay link :P )

ok, that manual didn't mean much to me but thanks anyways. Umm, looks like i might be going for that jvc one you posted. Also, am i still right in leaving the 6x9's un-amped?? Will i still get a good bass from them or what, cheers for all the help guys, has been great

~twiggy~

simple rules no exceptions.

If you want to post them up use the ebay thread, PM etc.

We are not ebay, we are a car club

you'll get alrite bass from them, nothing spesh, only problem is they may then sound muffled (not handling the frequencies given to them) and then bring down the whole sound of the system. if you do run them unamped, bring the music to the front and give them a small amount, so the splits make the majority of sound in the cabin

*Edit* and tim, i thought this was ebay :P

hahaha ok. I think i may just amp up the 6x9's and the 6.5's until/if i get a sub otherwise it's wasting two amp channels really. I'm sure i can fiddle with the settings on the amp and headunit enough to give me a balanced sound and if it's not working for me i can always just disconnect the 6x9's from the amp right?
(also, sorry for all the "newbie" questions etc, this is my first car and haven't had anything to do with them till now, cheers for putting up with it all haha)

sure can :) yeah that would all be the best bet till/if you get a sub

ok cheers for all your help, just gotta write this down now haha, thanks

~twiggy~