hey all
how we doing this fine thursday afternoon?

im not sure if this is an issue or just a trick of sorts.

i have a 2003 kl verada with AWD with 55xxxkms on it

its to do with the fuel gauge - i did a search, but nothing seemed to give me the answeres that im looking for. i appologise if this is a repost.

whenever i put fuel in the car, i fill it up completely (dont see the point personally of a $20 top up when its on empty)
i also reset the trip meter too on each fill.

i have stopped going by the fuel guage itself to see how much fuel is actually left in the tank. going by the litres used function of the trip computer, its saying 33.8L used but the guage is down towards the last quarter marking.
(range function is telling me 250km to empty)

im not a leadfoot driver - i dont race off from the lights when they turn green, but i do use the power when i need it (misjudge of traffic gap etc). i would class myself as somewhat sedate driver - in the interests of making the fuel last longer.

i have read that mitsi seem to have tank guage sender faults - is this applicable to the KL?

is the fuel guage driven/controlled by the computer (like holden VZ Calais's) - ie punch it hard and the guage drops faster than the amount you have ACTUALLY USED, or is it should it be accuratly representing the level of fuel remaining in the tank??
the fuel gauge is saying i have used 3/4quarters of a tank, but the trip computer says that i have used just over 1/2 a tank of fuel (33.8L)

should i just take it to mitsi and get them to deal with it - hopefully under warrenty?

cheers guys and gals

yes, it's the fuel sender, and yes it should be replaced under warranty if you still have it.

if not, here's a guide (http://aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=52489) for you to do it yourself.

cheers,
.wook

yes, it's the fuel sender, and yes it should be replaced under warranty if you still have it.

if not, here's a guide (http://aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=52489) for you to do it yourself.

cheers,
.wook

cheers for that.
the car is still under the statutory 3month used car warrenty anyhow - so even if it was out of new car, i should still be able to get it on the used car warrenty at least :)

il give them a call tomorrow and see when they can get me in.

no worries. if they won't do it under warranty, it's a $90 part and will take you less than an hour to replace.

cheers,
.wook

Fuel senders have been a problem for some of these cars but bear in mind that the readings on the lcd is an average of what your current stats are in that display. e.g say you had an average of 10l/100 and 700km to go comes up if you fill up and reset it....as soon as you go out you floor it for five minutes and your average is no longer 10...it could be 15. then your kms to go will go down to say 600 and you have only travelled 10km. if your readings are saying you have only 250km to go and have only used 33.8l(almost half a tank) that means you are only getting around 500km with that tank of fuel

do what i did...

fill it to the top full tank...

use 35L pull the needle off and set it at half tank as thats what its used,

refuel to make sure the computer wasnt telling fibbs (in my case it wasnt)

then as i have experienced, my fuel gauge is now accurate and to my liking...

but all cars are different and the fuel gauge in most cars lies


some cars use up the 1st half really fast then take forever to go down to empty for example...

but get the sender double checked anyway, and there is no way a private yard wll cover that under the 3mth wty.... unless you realy make a big deal about it

do what i did...

fill it to the top full tank...

use 35L pull the needle off and set it at half tank as thats what its used,

refuel to make sure the computer wasnt telling fibbs (in my case it wasnt)

then as i have experienced, my fuel gauge is now accurate and to my liking...

but all cars are different and the fuel gauge in most cars lies


some cars use up the 1st half really fast then take forever to go down to empty for example...

but get the sender double checked anyway, and there is no way a private yard wll cover that under the 3mth wty.... unless you realy make a big deal about it

i brought the rada off mitsi themselfs - they have a used car section and the lovely shiny new section too.

(im the first official owner of the rada as well - it was used by mitsi for the last 4years as the accountants company car)

il give them a call tomorrow, and see what they say.
i have an inside contact that if the service dept dont play nicely, i can call him and get him to pull weight for me hehe

Fuel senders have been a problem for some of these cars but bear in mind that the readings on the lcd is an average of what your current stats are in that display. e.g say you had an average of 10l/100 and 700km to go comes up if you fill up and reset it....as soon as you go out you floor it for five minutes and your average is no longer 10...it could be 15. then your kms to go will go down to say 600 and you have only travelled 10km. if your readings are saying you have only 250km to go and have only used 33.8l(almost half a tank) that means you are only getting around 500km with that tank of fuel

i figured that the DTE and avg fuel consumption (L/100km) where all calculated from your driving style (drive hard and both take a bad hit)
but i was under the impression that the Litres used function would be accurate - as its telling you how much fuel you have used, working in with the driving nice and driving hard (not on an average thing)
i could be wrong on that one tho.

know bf's old vz calais used to be average for dte and avg consumption (L/100km) but the litres used function was accurate. the fuel guage was controlled by the computer as per your driving style. he explained it to me, but i dont think that i repeated the explaination well here tho...

i figured that the DTE and avg fuel consumption (L/100km) where all calculated from your driving style (drive hard and both take a bad hit)
but i was under the impression that the Litres used function would be accurate - as its telling you how much fuel you have used, working in with the driving nice and driving hard (not on an average thing)
i could be wrong on that one tho.

know bf's old vz calais used to be average for dte and avg consumption (L/100km) but the litres used function was accurate. the fuel guage was controlled by the computer as per your driving style. he explained it to me, but i dont think that i repeated the explaination well here tho...

well with it reading 250km to go what is your average? i would imagine it would not be great to only be getting 500km/tank. if that isn't the case the needle still maybe reading incorrectly

well with it reading 250km to go what is your average? i would imagine it would not be great to only be getting 500km/tank. if that isn't the case the needle still maybe reading incorrectly

il check the average L/100km when i take the other half to work in the morning.
from the last time i remember seeing it, it was somewhere around the high 11's to mid12's /100km (90% city driving and 10% 'highway')
let yaz know for sure when i check it

checked the trip computer thismorning

it is saying 12.5L/100Km for average fuel comsumption.

fuel guage is saying 1/4 remaining - but DTE is still reading ~250km
fuel USED is 33.8L

from memory, the fuel used in your trip computer is based on one injector's usage and multiplied by six. this becomes less accurate when you have a 7th injector, but that's a whole other story. :D

the fuel gauge is the level left in the tank as read by the fuel sender. if it used to show 1/2 when you'd used about 35 litres, and now it shows 1/4 then your fuel sender is on the way out.

the DTE is based on the fuel gauge (not the fuel used) and your average usage (which is based on the fuel used and the km travelled).

cheers,
.wook

from memory, the fuel used in your trip computer is based on one injector's usage and multiplied by six. this becomes less accurate when you have a 7th injector, but that's a whole other story. :D

the fuel gauge is the level left in the tank as read by the fuel sender. if it used to show 1/2 when you'd used about 35 litres, and now it shows 1/4 then your fuel sender is on the way out.

the DTE is based on the fuel gauge (not the fuel used) and your average usage (which is based on the fuel used and the km travelled).

cheers,
.wook

i phoned mitsu this morning, told them about it.
it is booked in for a look at when it goes in for its possible motor issues on the 9th october.
i told them the parts that they need to change to make it work, and the lady i spoke to was like "yeah well just bring it in and we will have a look at it"
which means they will have to order in the new part im sure!

as long as the trip computer is showing close to correct values for fuel used, il just drive off that till it gets replaced

sorry to drag up an older thread of mine, but i have to add to it.

today, i put 30L of fuel into the rada, and the needle was down below the 1/4 mark.
after going to pay for the rippoff fuel (131.9cpl!? WTF!?) the fuel guage was telling me that i had a nearly full tank!!! :nuts: :nuts:

i had to car into mitsu, and they have ordered me a new tank sender and will be giving me a call when its in store to install for me - all covered under warrenty of course.

the sooner this tank sender gets replaced the better, coz im now unsure how much fuel i actually have in the tank - and dont trust the Dist to empty readout now either - as it was telling me i had 190DTE when i had 1/4tank, but it seems i would have had somewhere around the 20-30L range still IN the tank before i put fuel in?!

and running out of fuel to test the DTE / guage is NOT on the "To Do List" either lol!

I always used the Fuel Used reading. it was really accurate until I added the supercharger.

just fill up when it gets to about 55 or 60 litres used.

cheers,
.wook

PS. I paid over $1.40 this morning!! oil is back up over $82US a barrel. I was thinking the strong AUD was going to help, but apparently it doesn't!

$1.40 for petrol?!
geez thats a magor ripoff - suddendly i dont feel so bad for my 131.9cpl fuel!

when iv filled the tank right up, i normally go by the litres used function too - but when i only have the money to be able to put 10 and 20 bucks in here and there, makes it a bit harder to track how much has been used :S

hmm supercharger.. that could be fun :) *wanders away to think for a while* lol

bought my petrol last nite, thank god for fuelwatch :)
$1.14 FTW :)

$1.40 for petrol?!
geez thats a magor ripoff - suddendly i dont feel so bad for my 131.9cpl fuel!

when iv filled the tank right up, i normally go by the litres used function too - but when i only have the money to be able to put 10 and 20 bucks in here and there, makes it a bit harder to track how much has been used :S

hmm supercharger.. that could be fun :) *wanders away to think for a while* lol
yeah, it was 140.9 for 98.

if you take a look at how many litres you've put in, then add it to the 55 or 60 litres it'll still work. but you have to remember (or write down) the amount each time you put more fuel in.

it is fun - lots of it! lol

cheers,
.wook

yeah, it was 140.9 for 98.

if you take a look at how many litres you've put in, then add it to the 55 or 60 litres it'll still work. but you have to remember (or write down) the amount each time you put more fuel in.

it is fun - lots of it! lol

cheers,
.wook

slack for that!
i would start the whole writing it all down and adding and taking etc to know how many liters are in the tank, but i would miss one or two along the way and then be screwed! lol
but thats just me - lack of enthusiasm some days !!

where i filled up, the 98 was around the 140cpl too... i thought about putting that into the rada.. but changed my mind when i saw the price!
(even worse, when $40 only gets you 30.33L of premium / 95 !!)

Ouch on the petrol prices guys! I'm glad I filled up on Tuesday for 114.9c (107.9 with docket), on wednesday they went up to 129.9!!

I've found the dash trip computer to be really inacurate. Doesn't show the right fuel usage or correct L/100km. Last tank it said 12.1L/100 when really it worked out at 14.88. Any idea how to fix this? The fuel gauge seems to be reasonably accurate.

My time to gloat about gas has arrived!

Ouch on the petrol prices guys! I'm glad I filled up on Tuesday for 114.9c (107.9 with docket), on wednesday they went up to 129.9!!

I've found the dash trip computer to be really inacurate. Doesn't show the right fuel usage or correct L/100km. Last tank it said 12.1L/100 when really it worked out at 14.88. Any idea how to fix this? The fuel gauge seems to be reasonably accurate.

there are two ways of working out the avg fuel consumption apparently - tho i only know one of them.

i have been told tho, that the trip computer works it out the 'correct way'?
well - in fords they do at least!

dont forget, its going to take into account the fuel lines too for 'usage' and that can work out as an extra 2L!! which isnt is the 'tank' as such but on its way to be burned - hope that one makes sence, it does to me, coz i know what im trying to say! lol

My time to gloat about gas has arrived!

ewwie... lpg?!

each to thier own i guess :P

there are two ways of working out the avg fuel consumption apparently - tho i only know one of them.

i have been told tho, that the trip computer works it out the 'correct way'?
well - in fords they do at least!

dont forget, its going to take into account the fuel lines too for 'usage' and that can work out as an extra 2L!! which isnt is the 'tank' as such but on its way to be burned - hope that one makes sence, it does to me, coz i know what im trying to say! lol

Well I just work it out at litres used divided by the total number of hundred kms done. So for my best tank thus far of 59L for 490kms, it works out 59/4.9 to give me around 12.1L/100. The computer showed about 10.1L/100 if I recall correctly.

ewwie... lpg?!

each to thier own i guess :P

Actually it's with a high compression system so i get a little bit more power than the car has on just petrol.

Actually it's with a high compression system so i get a little bit more power than the car has on just petrol.

ah ok fair enuf :)

ah ok fair enuf :)

I keep going on and on about it. Because it finally brings justice to dual fuel cars!

I keep going on and on about it. Because it finally brings justice to dual fuel cars!

not wanting to sound rude or anything, but have you made back what an lpg system would cost to be installed and maintained in the savings you get from being able to buy a cheaper fuel?
or was the car preconverted when you got it?
(always the best bet i say - that way you dont have to front the cost of the lpg system etc)

maybe one day... i might run lpg to see if its as bad as i like to think it is - but i wont put it on the rada lol!