hi as some of you might know i just lowerd my ralliart a few weeks ago with "ultraride" super lows, now i am moderately happy with the height but i wish to go a bit lower, i not sure if the ralliart will take ultra-lows or even if its possible. i was happy with the height but as i keep looking at it i wish i could have it an inch or two lower i think its still pretty much over legal limit, so it should be fine to drop it again.

my mate has an AU falcon that had Ultra-Lows (kings) and he is willing to sell me them assuming i can use the same springs.

EDIT: the ultra low for the AU wont fit, but i can get ultra lows for $380 fitted if it is practical to lower it again.

any suggestions

thanks :D

this is the height now :doubt:

I personally think your car is at the perfect ride height as it is.
If you go lower you can throw practicality out the window with the ralliart front bar, it doesn't like steep inclines at all.

hi as some of you might know i just lowerd my ralliart a few weeks ago with "ultraride" super lows, now i am moderately happy with the height but i wish to go a bit lower, i not sure if the ralliart will take ultra-lows or even if its possible. i was happy with the height but as i keep looking at it i wish i could have it an inch or two lower i think its still pretty much over legal limit, so it should be fine to drop it again.

my mate has an AU falcon that had Ultra-Lows (kings) and he is willing to sell me them assuming i can use the same springs.

EDIT: the ultra low for the AU wont fit, but i can get ultra lows for $380 fitted if it is practical to lower it again.

any suggestions

thanks :D

this is the height now :doubt:

mines lower :)
nah ive gone 4.5" and its beautifull lol
and im still craving lower in the rear
maybe baggs? hmmm

dude, dont lower it until you get rims that you like, that makes a huge difference, i was gonna lower my car before wheels, but when i went ot 18's i found that i would scrub, i suggest new wheels first then lowering, my 2 cents.

Shibbs

dont forget the springs may still settle a bit, so it will get slightly lower on its own

dude, dont lower it until you get rims that you like, that makes a huge difference, i was gonna lower my car before wheels, but when i went ot 18's i found that i would scrub, i suggest new wheels first then lowering, my 2 cents.

Shibbs

Hmm, well that goes against my plan of lowering first (which I can afford soon), and then replacing the rims (the 16" Verada alloys I have aren't bad, and with brand new tyres when I bought the car I'm not in a great rush to replace them!). I can see how that could cause problems later, but I'm gonna risk it.

BAGGS!

$2500 and some courage :nuts: and away you go.

hmm 2 solid days im 3/4 done.

everythings ruinning minus welding the strut bottoms on and putting them in...

i have heaps of photos, ill have to put a tutorial up when its done...

wont be back home for 2 weeks to finish it. Its killing me.

Hmm, well that goes against my plan of lowering first (which I can afford soon), and then replacing the rims (the 16" Verada alloys I have aren't bad, and with brand new tyres when I bought the car I'm not in a great rush to replace them!). I can see how that could cause problems later, but I'm gonna risk it.

you will be right mate, it's all about rim choice, and getting the correct tyre/wheel combo

im about as low as you can go on springs and i have 20's and no problems at all

if you want practicale then keep it at this height

if you dont really care or mind entering and leaving driveways and going over speed bumps in an angle for how ever long you keep the car slammed then go ahead and slam it.

why not keep the springs that you have on now and save up for coilovers? that way you can slam it when you want and raise it when you want.

or just get these compressed.

from what iv read and heard Ralliart front bar and slammed is not really a good thing. but you dont have a splitter also so should be ok.

my old TH with kit sat a little lower then what yours is now and i was fine with the occasional small scrape here and there that you cant help and i got used to it.

its really up to you.

BAGGS!

$2500 and some courage :nuts: and away you go.

hmm 2 solid days im 3/4 done.

everythings ruinning minus welding the strut bottoms on and putting them in...

i have heaps of photos, ill have to put a tutorial up when its done...

wont be back home for 2 weeks to finish it. Its killing me.
i wont baggs! :( not fair
are they hard to install?

but as i keep looking at it i wish i could have it an inch or two lower i think its still pretty much over legal limit, so it should be fine to drop it again.

u think its over the legal limit? why not go out and measure, if anything is below 100mm off the ground, then its illegal, and it looks as though ur sitting around 100-120mm. ultra-lows (i'm guessing superlows equivalent) is around 2cm lower, and imho you'd lose any sort of practicality and would most likely make the ride height illegal.

up to you but i think the wheels sit nicely now, and the car looks a practical ride height.

you will be right mate, it's all about rim choice, and getting the correct tyre/wheel combo

im about as low as you can go on springs and i have 20's and no problems at all

I'll be going for 17's or 18's at the most so no probs then!

Is it just me or is the front higher than the back?

@Achos: I like your ride height as is, looks great!!

thanks guys i think maybe i will leave the height for now get some 19's in the future and see what the i can do about it then if it will work or not. it really wont be practical going over **** sideways i get pissed when people in front of me do it special when there car isn't low enough to hit anyway lol

but yea thanks for advice guys, i guess next project is saving up for the rims :cool:

excellent idea.

and as for rims black on black and you will have a porn star right there

a nice set on 19" black rims with polished (not chrome but polished or machined) dish and maybe get the front splitter and ye thats all you will need man

ash stop making copys of my car :P
*reminds self that he really needs an update thread*

excellent idea.
and as for rims black on black and you will have a porn star right there
a nice set on 19" black rims with polished (not chrome but polished or machined) dish and maybe get the front splitter and ye thats all you will need manExactly the rims I want for my car. (one day :doubt:).

Exactly the rims I want for my car. (one day :doubt:).

dude the rims i had on my TH would look hot on yours (and other black cars) but ye you need 19's.

want me to post a pic up for you puck? just to speed things up? lol

k ill do it
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f351/Ashneel911/Magna/IMG_0093.jpg
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f351/Ashneel911/Magna/IMG_0092.jpg

:P

Yeah, there the ones :thumbsup:
Now where did I put all that money...

Back OT, Achos, live with your current ride height for a while. Get used to it first.
Then later, (if you still have the front bar in one piece), maybe after new rims, then consider going lower if you want too.

P.S. I've already had to have my front bar repaired :(

i wont baggs! :( not fair
are they hard to install?

as low as you like,

and yes baggs are the way to go

dude your car is low enough! just chuck a set of 19s or 20s on it and it will look lower again as your rim will be very close to the wheel arch

Sigh..why buy a ralliart then completely ruin the handling with those sort of springs. Makes baby jesus :cry:

Your suspension is designed to work in an optimum range of height and travel, by using absurdly low springs, you are reducing the travel way too much, and then for that reduction in travel the springs are way too soft. Not to mention your geometry is probably all out of shape.

Oh yeah, since you are probably hitting the bumptops on every second bump, the body of the car is recieveing a pounding, it won't be long till start developing plenty of creaks and rattles everywhere.

If you are aware of all this, then meh you choice. Otherwise someone has given you some really bad advice. Your car is already too low, lowering it further is gonna make it handle worse, not to mention inpractical.

Sigh..why buy a ralliart then completely ruin the handling with those sort of springs. Makes baby jesus :cry:

Your suspension is designed to work in an optimum range of height and travel, by using absurdly low springs, you are reducing the travel way too much, and then for that reduction in travel the springs are way too soft. Not to mention your geometry is probably all out of shape.

Oh yeah, since you are probably hitting the bumptops on every second bump, the body of the car is recieveing a pounding, it won't be long till start developing plenty of creaks and rattles everywhere.

If you are aware of all this, then meh you choice. Otherwise someone has given you some really bad advice. Your car is already too low, lowering it further is gonna make it handle worse, not to mention inpractical.
Usually I deter from making these sorts of comments lately because it will be construed as "bragging about owning an EVO" But you are dead right. I think it looks retarded having your car that low, and you want to go lower. Ralliart spent a lot of time and coin getting the quality of ride perfect for the street, with the perfect ride height - you think you can make it better with some King springs and KYB shocks? :bowrofl: Standard Ralliart suspension is among the best stock suspension in a car I've had the pleasure of driving.

I guess it comes down to if the owner wants Looks or Handling/Performance.

I once read someone on AMC say that the Kings Low springs were a decent mix of lowering (a little bit) and still retaining some handling performance. Is this correct?

I guess it comes down to if the owner wants Looks or Handling/Performance.

I once read someone on AMC say that the Kings Low springs were a decent mix of lowering (a little bit) and still retaining some handling performance. Is this correct?
But it doesn't even look good, that's the thing. Some lowering is ok, but once the tyre disappears under the wheel arch it looks stupid.

I guess it comes down to if the owner wants Looks or Handling/Performance.

I once read someone on AMC say that the Kings Low springs were a decent mix of lowering (a little bit) and still retaining some handling performance. Is this correct?
Over stock springs the standard lows from kings are great (i know i've got them, handling was alot better). As for ralliart suspension, yeh it seems pretty damn good for me, but wasn't quite low enough, so i went the kings path, having stock originally i didn't really know what i was missing out on :).

*EDIT*
Oh and Disciple, totally agree on the wheel arch thing, i reckon the perfect look is when the wheels are inline with the arches, i'm hoping my new wheels give me this.

Over stock springs the standard lows from kings are great (i know i've got them, handling was alot better). As for ralliart suspension, yeh it seems pretty damn good for me, but wasn't quite low enough, so i went the kings path, having stock originally i didn't really know what i was missing out on :).

*EDIT*
Oh and Disciple, totally agree on the wheel arch thing, i reckon the perfect look is when the wheels are inline with the arches, i'm hoping my new wheels give me this.
Exactly. :cool:

I once read someone on AMC say that the Kings Low springs were a decent mix of lowering (a little bit) and still retaining some handling performance. Is this correct?

I've states this a few times. King Lows are a good option for 30mm drop without ruining your handling. King Lows seem to generally get it spot on, spring rates are usually slightly stiffer than factory, which is what you want for the street.

I've states this a few times. King Lows are a good option for 30mm drop without ruining your handling. King Lows seem to generally get it spot on, spring rates are usually slightly stiffer than factory, which is what you want for the street.
Yeh they are stiffer, firmer ride but i like it that way, gives much more feel over the road than the standard springs did.

Right...i am sticking with the springs i have seems like the common interest and i don't want to be a stooge and have my wheels rubbing my gards anyway. lol

now the long process of saving up a nice 2K for the rims, by the way i haven't been a fan of black on black with rims i always liked the chrome look, it is common i know but it looks so dam good. Unless the black rim has a chrome dish this may make it diff but i will have to see some pics of black on black to make a proper judgment. but yer like i said never really been a fan of black on black always was a chrome kid. :cool:

lenda and |^^Twisted^^| have Black with Chrome rims...
http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showpost.php?p=715078&postcount=2
http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/member.php?u=2955

For your future rim planning, here's a couple of other Black Ralliarts with non-stock rims...
http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/member.php?u=4983
http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/member.php?u=1699
http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/member.php?u=1513

Right...i am sticking with the springs i have seems like the common interest and i don't want to be a stooge and have my wheels rubbing my gards anyway. lol

now the long process of saving up a nice 2K for the rims, by the way i haven't been a fan of black on black with rims i always liked the chrome look, it is common i know but it looks so dam good. Unless the black rim has a chrome dish this may make it diff but i will have to see some pics of black on black to make a proper judgment. but yer like i said never really been a fan of black on black always was a chrome kid. :cool:

IMO Black spokes with chrome lip looks fantastic.

http://img456.imageshack.us/img456/7518/541718388d84ac86c13gz2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Sorry the pic is dark, you may need to turn up your brightness to get a decent look. Those are my "track rims", only 16". IMO in 17" or larger would look fantastic.

Also you don't need to spend 2k on rims, especially not when you're getting brand-new poor-quality heavy rims. 2k can get you quality second-hand jap forged rims in great nick. They will be so much stronger and lighter than the stuff you get from bob janes etc. You just need to know where to look (e.g second-hand jap rim importers, auctions etc)

Or keep on the lookout for some second-hand rims you like, you'll get them at a fraction of the cost of brand new jobs. There are a tonne of cars that share the same PCD and have a close-enough offset to our magnas (basically any jap-brand FWD made in the last 10 years). There are plenty of forums for these cars where lots of rims exchange hands, same on ebay.

But it doesn't even look good, that's the thing. Some lowering is ok, but once the tyre disappears under the wheel arch it looks stupid.

I second that. The tyres under the arch looks terrible!!

did the suspension place take the konis? bet theyd be laughing at the resale they could sell em for ;)

I second that. The tyres under the arch looks terrible!!


only if its the front wheels dissapearing, if its the rears it looks mad as

if u decide on a heigt that u want if your in sydney or the central coast then you could go to ozzy tyres and get the custom springs...they are madeto whatever height that u want you car and takes just a week to order and and not long to fit...they are about $400. Haven't done it myself yet but am looking at doing it.

Thought I'd throw my cents in

To those hoping/thinking that buying bigger rims will fill up the gap in their wheel arch, giving a lower look. My experience is this does not happen.

Because the suspension is not changed the gap between the wheel and the arch remains the same. Worse still, because the wheels are bigger the car is actually raised higher off the ground, making the ride height look even worse.

I was lowered on stock 15's and it looked sensible and sleek but when I upgraded to 19's with 245 rubber it raised the car up and looked terrible. Wheels before lowering is definitely the smartest option.

I could of almost afforded coilovers for the money I have spent on springs and shocks. Would be happy if others learn from my lack of foresight tho. :D

Thought I'd throw my cents in

To those hoping/thinking that buying bigger rims will fill up the gap in their wheel arch, giving a lower look. My experience is this does not happen.

Because the suspension is not changed the gap between the wheel and the arch remains the same. Worse still, because the wheels are bigger the car is actually raised higher off the ground, making the ride height look even worse.



Correct, rim size has no bearing on the arch gap, unless you are using the wrong sized tyre and ending up with a larger-than-factory rolling diameter.

Bigger wheels does not mean the car is sitting higher off the ground, unless rolling diamter is changed.




I was lowered on stock 15's and it looked sensible and sleek but when I upgraded to 19's with 245 rubber it raised the car up and looked terrible. Wheels before lowering is definitely the smartest option.


Either the 19's just gave the illusion of a raised look, or your rolling diameter was increased.

pfffttt


you guys all suck, im on 20's and both front and back tyres are tucked by the gaurd!!!!


flame away all you like!

handeling who cares, my magna is a F1 and a limo in the same sentince when compared to my merc (those who have seen it will know what im on about)

but as good as the magna is it anit a drivers car, everything is over assisted.... i used to think my steering was good, but after driving the merc for a while i jump in the magna and it's like an arcade game

Bigger wheels does not mean the car is sitting higher off the ground, unless rolling diamter is changed.

In Queensland, the overall rolling diameter cannot be changed by more than +15mm or -26mm anyway. Since you would want your rolling diameter changed as little as possible, the rims-before-suspension argument doesn't hold that much weight IMO.


i was happy with the height but as i keep looking at it i wish i could have it an inch or two lower i think its still pretty much over legal limit, so it should be fine to drop it again.

I've got King Lows on a VR-X, which at a guesstimate would be at a similiar ride height to your Ralliart. The lowest part of the car is around 125mm off the ground, so you wouldn't be able to lower it more than an inch. Also, there is no standard when measuring cars for ride height. If you get pulled over with 3 mates in the back and a boot full of piss, and a police officer defects you for being too low, you have no argument back. You could not challenge it because you're laden - your ride height is never supposed to be below 100mm, no matter the circumstances. I know that the back of my sideskirt is ~95mm off the ground when I have 3 (large) mates in the back.

Not only would it be illegal to go lower, but with the bodykit, it'd be impractical to go lower. I haven't scraped in a while, but I think that any lower and I'd be scraping it all the time. It's just so handy to have something practical. I've actually taken some very steep driveways - while towing a trailer for work - and made them without issue (albeit very slowly and carefully).

I can understand where you're coming from.... I reckon my car would look insane if it was lowered another inch. It'd be illegal and impractical though, so I guess I'm better off driving something problem-free ;)

here are some rims i found from tempi tyer site, not sure how good they will look on the magna, but anyway like i said will be a while before i buy them.

This thread can't go without a picture of my silly car.. lol

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a281/mattchoong/DSC030352028Medium29.jpg

thats low as, love it

This thread can't go without a picture of my silly car.. lol

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a281/mattchoong/DSC030352028Medium29.jpg
lol is that from when you had no springs in at all?

hahah sure is.

Beside, mines sitting that low on stockie atm even with springs in.

hahah sure is.

Beside, mines sitting that low on stockie atm even with springs in.
haha.. you wish yours sits that low... also... your spring fell out and cut up your 20" tyre... you lose!

hahah sure is.

Beside, mines sitting that low on stockie atm even with springs in.

yeah dont you just hate it when you take out the springs and it dosent go any lower.... so you chop the bumpstops again.... the realise the bumpstops are now about 5mm thick and really.......


hahahahaha :bowrofl:


i did a very long inspection of my car when it was on the hoist getting the mufflers done yesterday..... hmmmmmm.......


there isnt any way it can really go any lower, even if i removed the front struts all together, the L arm is almost hitting the cast alloy subframe, kinda at the limit of its travel... although still will go lower, but who wants to crack the cast alloy subframe? :shock:

dont know what normal magnas are like, but they'd be similar, running the same suspension and all.... maybe not as shiney lol

this is how it sits now.. just nice!
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a281/mattchoong/sideon.jpg

dosent your car sit about 6ft off the ground with the diff hanging out ;)

dosent your car sit about 6ft off the ground with the diff hanging out ;)

Thats exactly wat i was thinking :bowrofl:

here are some pics here for you...

http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53197&page=2

however these are coilovers. so I can't tell you what spring would do this...
but chisholm is looking at organising a group buy for coilovers so maybe u could catch onto this and have the best of both worlds...
adjustable suspension and awesom handling.

In Queensland, the overall rolling diameter cannot be changed by more than +15mm or -26mm anyway. Since you would want your rolling diameter changed as little as possible, the rims-before-suspension argument doesn't hold that much weight IMO.



I've got King Lows on a VR-X, which at a guesstimate would be at a similiar ride height to your Ralliart. The lowest part of the car is around 125mm off the ground, so you wouldn't be able to lower it more than an inch. Also, there is no standard when measuring cars for ride height. If you get pulled over with 3 mates in the back and a boot full of piss, and a police officer defects you for being too low, you have no argument back. You could not challenge it because you're laden - your ride height is never supposed to be below 100mm, no matter the circumstances. I know that the back of my sideskirt is ~95mm off the ground when I have 3 (large) mates in the back.

Not only would it be illegal to go lower, but with the bodykit, it'd be impractical to go lower. I haven't scraped in a while, but I think that any lower and I'd be scraping it all the time. It's just so handy to have something practical. I've actually taken some very steep driveways - while towing a trailer for work - and made them without issue (albeit very slowly and carefully).

I can understand where you're coming from.... I reckon my car would look insane if it was lowered another inch. It'd be illegal and impractical though, so I guess I'm better off driving something problem-free ;)

you are both right and wrong here.. if lowered properly this will not happen. the lower you go the stronger your spring "should" be, I saw first hand what happens when you have low/soft suspension and it cost me $1400 as this is how the previous owner had their coilovers set up.
I would be pretty confident that my car wouldn't drop any more than 5mm with 3 guys the same size as me in the back. (oh and im 6'7" and weigh 120kg)

i got my car lowered after i got me 20's on. put the stockies back on there the other day and some parts of the bastard were about 1 inch from the ground..........

:bowrofl: the mud flapps! woot!:bowrofl: haha lol

the worst thing about magna's is how the rear slants up. so no matter how low you are it still looks high at the back. unless you get a body kit, but some people like me dont like them:doubt: what to do! i hate it how commo's look lower than me but im like at least another inch slammed over them.