hi considering getting a force flow kit, not sure which one will benefit my car. no money or real desire to supercharge it properly money issue lol

i found this site www.force-flow.com

has a few kits on it, my mate reckons i get the twin pipe kit and run it through a top mount small inter-cooler and then run it into the engine, but then i will have to make scoop in my bonnet which i'm not to into unless i can get a mad design that will suit the car.

otherwise im not sure of my options. as far as i have heard there is a 4-7% increase in performance.

any ideas or knowledge thanks

Mate I think these (mostly useless) things have been discussed here and other car forums before. You'll find them all over the net & ebay.
I even think Autospeed or something like that did a review on them and found them to be almost useless unless you had an air problem in the first place.
Most of the gains are from the pod filter rather than the errrr ummm "electronic supercharger."

However if you still wish to buy & try one, then please be my guest and don't forget to do a dyno run b4 & after fitting the pod and then fitting the ho-hum "electronic supercharger."

I think you'll find there is little benefit if the reviews and other people's opinions are anything to go by. :doubt:
However, having said that, if you can prove a decent gain for low cost, watch us all line up :bowrofl:

I heard the power drain was enormous, or equivalent to running a big system.
And unless you have a good electrical sytem, they can cost power....
If your going to try it get two batteries.
But i guess the extra wieght of the bat would outwigh the prformance gain, :bowrofl:

Take the spare out and get the same gains....... I got 30KW running on empty!lol :gtfo:

Knowledge: Use the search function.

Ideas: Don't buy it.

so maybe just a nice pod will do.... :confused:

how about if it is run through a inter cooler.

i wanna gain some kw, but for low price what u guys reckon :D

Sorry but err no.
AFAIK, an intercooler actually decreases any gains from a forced injection system. They're still a good idea but only if the forced air is strong/big/good enough to still be forced when through the intercooler (if ya know what I mean?)

Get a pod, and get some cool air to it, about the best us poor people can do without the $$$ for turbo or supercharged systems.

An intercooler will only drop inlet temps,IF they are higher than ambient(outside temp) ... The electronic superdooper thingy wont churn out 200deg air like a turbo. Therfor no need for a cooler.

ok who gave a ralliart to the eleventeen year old?

Some reading for ya :)

http://www.autospeed.com/cms/A_0237/article.html?popularArticle

Some reading for ya :)

http://www.autospeed.com/cms/A_0237/article.html?popularArticle


you know i did much research here, and there is someting that does work and has been dyno tested!!!

it was a leafblower two stroke... it was duct taped to the intake of a honda civic and at WOT it made a 10-15hp gain at the wheels!!

that a true story, but there is no way i'll be able to find the link/site again


also a little hard to set up too for daily use ;)

there are these silly devices that work though, but for the same money you can get a REAL s/c kit eg: Raptor if it ever appears...


close thread now :P

I saw an article of a guy that had 3 large starter motors running a "supercharger like" air forcing device and actually had really good gains. Like over 30hp extra power.
Unfortunately he could only run them for about 1 minute at a time because of the extreme heat they developed, but he had a cool switchboard and heat management system setup inside the car.

my mate reckons i get the twin pipe kit and run it through a top mount small inter-cooler and then run it into the engine,

I hate to be blunt - but your mate is even more naive than you.

it was a leafblower two stroke... it was duct taped to the intake.........

My brother and I duct taped a leaf blower to the intake of his motorbike (a 250cc Spada back then). Made absolutely no difference what-so-ever.

The main reason is that leaf blowers are all about a big volume of air, turbos and superchargers are all about air pressure.

It was awesome when we took of the whole exhaust and it was setting off car alarms at the other end of the street :)

-Dan

if you are going to use a pod filter build a custom cold air box to keep out hot air an engine bay is full of hot air and if the pod filter is sucking that in you will get no real power gain your car may even run worse than the standard air box i have a 2gen and you can run 3" pipe down behind the headlight and mount your pod there and then to get tricky get some sheet metal and some poly pipe, cut a 4-5" diameter hole through the inner gaurd directly under the pod filter(not into the wheel arch) and feed polly pipe from a vent in your front bar up to the hole you have cut.this will move cold air straight into the engine bay, box that cold air in so that is all your pod filter will be sucking and you can gain up to 18kw

if you are going to use a pod filter build a custom cold air box to keep out hot air an engine bay is full of hot air and if the pod filter is sucking that in you will get no real power gain your car may even run worse than the standard air box i have a 2gen and you can run 3" pipe down behind the headlight and mount your pod there and then to get tricky get some sheet metal and some poly pipe, cut a 4-5" diameter hole through the inner gaurd directly under the pod filter(not into the wheel arch) and feed polly pipe from a vent in your front bar up to the hole you have cut.this will move cold air straight into the engine bay, box that cold air in so that is all your pod filter will be sucking and you can gain up to 18kw

you might gain 18kw on a turbo car doing that but you sure as hell won't gain 18kw on a natro (well maybe on a big v8, but not a magna). a car mag did a test on putting a cold air feed onto a v6 commodore a few years back and got a gain of 4hp (that was changing to a k&n panel filter, and running ducting from the front bar).

as for the intercooler idea, using an intercooler with 1 of those things would make you lose power for 2 reasons. 1. the restriction added by the cooler would outweigh the performance gain of the unit, 2. the top mount intercooler is going to suffer from heat soak so your inlet temps are going to be higher than normal.

has a few kits on it, my mate reckons i get the twin pipe kit and run it through a top mount small inter-cooler and then run it into the engine, but then i will have to make scoop in my bonnet which i'm not to into unless i can get a mad design that will suit the car.



Your mate hasn't a clue and should stop talking ****.

These gimmicky things have heen around for ages, and simply don't work at all, or everyone would have them.

If you are serious about doing performance-enchancing mods, do some proper research and start saving, its an expensive pursuit. Otherwise just enjoy the car as is and stop looking for usless/counter-productive mods to ruin it :rant:

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/AB544E3B-5DFF-416D-9CFD-A1AD23CA9564.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwkSr60fk0g
2nd vid kinks looks like a 1st GEN!!!
here you go happy days


and let me say, you deserve the all the flaming you get by ricing up a ralliart!

someone take it off him and get that boy an exec.... till he earns a ralliart!!! :P

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/AB544E3B-5DFF-416D-9CFD-A1AD23CA9564.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwkSr60fk0g
2nd vid kinks looks like a 1st GEN!!!
here you go happy days


and let me say, you deserve the all the flaming you get by ricing up a ralliart!

someone take it off him and get that boy an exec.... till he earns a ralliart!!! :P


Those vids are cool! Thanks for the laugh!:bowrofl:

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/AB544E3B-5DFF-416D-9CFD-A1AD23CA9564.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwkSr60fk0g
2nd vid kinks looks like a 1st GEN!!!
here you go happy days


and let me say, you deserve the all the flaming you get by ricing up a ralliart!

someone take it off him and get that boy an exec.... till he earns a ralliart!!! :P
2nd link IS a first gen lol.

I wonder where Force Flow got their idea from. awfully similar to that amarican mob, eRam

OKay i get the idea, this is why i ask you guys on the forum before i go ahead and do something that i will regret :redface:

thanks for all the heads up.....i dont know much about performance enhancing cars so i ask you guys for ideas and advice, appreciate all the help not so much the abuse :rant: ...if you aint got nothing useful to add dont waste your time abusing me just cuz i haven't got the knowledge you might have, if i did i wouldn't ask the question :confused:

Back to what i asked....what is something that is worth while doing to increase a bit of power and wont be to costly...i.e no turbo or supercharger...any useful ideas dont hesitate to post.

thanks

Back to what i asked....what is something that is worth while doing to increase a bit of power and wont be to costly...i.e no turbo or supercharger...any useful ideas dont hesitate to post.

thanks
Not a lot without spending some serious money. Take it from a bloke who's modded a Ralliart with basic mods. The exhaust and extractors will probably net you around 10hpatw and it sounds wicked, but for the price I'd be keeping the standard headers and exhaust and getting a big cam profile and a tune.