What's a second hand Ralliart with about 20,000km on the clock going for these days. There's a dealer near me with the same as mine (flame red, manual) for sale for $35,000. Anyone else seen any prices.

And no, I'm not thinking of selling mine. It's way too much fun!

213kw Ralliart?? ok - tell me - how??

Manual

Price $32,998
Vehicle 2002 MITSUBISHI RALLIART MAGNA TJ MY02
Body SEDAN
Colour RED/BLACK
Transmission Semi-Automatic
Kilometers 16661
Engine Petrol Multi-point injected 3.5 (3497cc)
Reg Plate SHB563
VIN 6MMTJ2R422T044927
Stock # 5791

Northern Mitsubishi
Address 520 High Street
Suburb Preston
State Victoria Postcode 3072
Phone 03 9470 3333
Fax 03 9478 8540
Email northernmitsubishi@carsales.com.au
Web Site www.northernmitsubishi.com.au

213kw Ralliart?? ok - tell me - how??

Manual
Yeh me too,how did u obtain that extra 33kwz?

[quote:dde8094f03="Manual"]213kw Ralliart?? ok - tell me - how??

Manual
Yeh me too,how did u obtain that extra 33kwz?[/quote:dde8094f03]

That's in reference to the post in the thread on how to lighten a car


It's a good point you raise though about car weight. Reducing weight is a valid form of increasing performance. To put it in perspective, my Ralliart (or any Magna for that matter) would only need to produce 213kw of power to have the same power to weight ratio as an XR6 Turbo (240kw). Thats because Ford and Holden build lard arsed cars.

only 32g's for a ralliart. when they first came out werent they like near 50. they drop value quick.

$31-37k private sale average (depending on kms and year of manufacture)...price when new $49k

Correct me if im wrong but arent the RALLIART Magnas 184kW or something like that? ;)

I believe they are 180kW.. Thats what they were rated at when purchasing the GTV. An extra 33kW.. sounds nice.. :lol:

SuFz :badgrin:

Vlad wins the prize for paying attention. My Ralliart isn't 213kw (yet), but as he rightly points out that's what it would need to be, to be on a par with an XR6 turbo. 33 stink'n kilowatts. The best suggestion I've heard so far for getting those killer watts is to bore the sucker out to 3.8 litres. And the bonus is it's normally aspirated.

And $33,000 for a Ralliart!! That's a bargain. Maybe I should buy it. What's better than a Ralliart? I know, two Ralliarts!

The Ralliarts were $48,500 plus onroads when they came out. I try not to think about devaluation because it will only make me bitter and twisted. And besides, if any of us were concerned too much about how much we're losing on cars we'd be putting our money into property and superannuation. I don't see those topics come up too frequently on this forum.

Vlad wins the prize for paying attention. My Ralliart isn't 213kw (yet), but as he rightly points out that's what it would need to be, to be on a par with an XR6 turbo. 33 stink'n kilowatts. The best suggestion I've heard so far for getting those killer watts is to bore the sucker out to 3.8 litres. And the bonus is it's normally aspirated.

And $33,000 for a Ralliart!! That's a bargain. Maybe I should buy it. What's better than a Ralliart? I know, two Ralliarts!

The Ralliarts were $48,500 plus onroads when they came out. I try not to think about devaluation because it will only make me bitter and twisted. And besides, if any of us were concerned too much about how much we're losing on cars we'd be putting our money into property and superannuation. I don't see those topics come up too frequently on this forum.
hahaha takin my ideas orf boring and stroking the 3.5l to a 3.8 :) :)

The best deal I ever seen was about a year and a half ago there was a black manual VRX with 20k on the clock for 22grand, and in mint condition, and it was BLACK. and a MANUAL.

I should have bought it. :(

The only thing that sways me away from the ralliart model is the price for insurance.

Cheapest Ralliart I've seen at Vic park mitsubishi,was a Red 1,sunroof,Tip-tronic only 14,000k's,for $32G'z!!!!!

even better I saw just in last weeks paper, at a WA dealer, an AWD Sports with just a few Ks for 25'000. probably would get it for 23'000. This would have been over 35'000 just a few months ago....

What's a second hand Ralliart with about 20,000km on the clock going for these days. There's a dealer near me with the same as mine (flame red, manual) for sale for $35,000. Anyone else seen any prices.

And no, I'm not thinking of selling mine. It's way too much fun!

That would be National Capital Motors Tuggeranong? Too much. 30k max.

I live in Tuggers area. where are you?

Canberra VR-X, I also live in Tuggers, Kambah to be precise.

You could trade in the VR-X and have yourself a tasty, red Ralliart.

Do it, you know you want it!

just on the power to weigh comparisons thing.
not even beginning to compare weight differences, using an approximation of 25% loss of power through FWD and 35% loss through RWD, your Ralliart would only have to be 208kW at the engine to have the same power (to the ground) as the XR6T.
and then being lots lighter it should, in theory, cain the ford (ignoring important traction issues of course :p )

Ralliart: 208 x 0.75 = 156kW@front wheels
XR6T: 240 x 0.65 = 156kW@rear wheels

BUT
compare a stock manual ralliart vs a stock manual XR6T and its interesting:

Ralliart 180 x 0.75 = 135kW@wheels
XR6T 240 x 0.65 = 156kW@wheels

redbook quotes the ralliart weighs 1470kg and the ford 1690kg

power to weight of ralliart is.......91.8kW@wheels per tonne
power to weight of XR6T is.........92.3kW@wheels per tonne

:!: :?:

Tim-E, I like your figures even better than mine!!

Good point, I hadn't even considered the mechanical resistance advantage the front drive Ralliart would have over the XR6T.

It's something people who bag FWD cars don't consider, but if you had two cars of identical power doing 80kph next to each other, one FRD and the other RWD and gunned it, the FWD would pull away from the RWD because it has less mechanical resistance in the drive train.

yeh those last figues suggest that from a rolling start, the Ford would only win by the smallest or margins :o :lol:

Yes but "Riddle me this Tim-E" :lol: .......wait until the Fords come out of Warranty and people start putting more than 6psi of Boost thru them 'standard' GT40 turbos they run, almost double the flywheel KW's is achievable ;)

Soooo much more HP potential than the Ralliart :!: ....sorry :lol:

Simple, work the absolute crapper outta it by finishing it off with a Turbo!! The comparison between the 213kw Ralliart & The XR6T is bloody awesome in itself, the fact that a naturally aspirated smaller capacity motor would have an edge, now team that with forced induction and i dont really think the XR6T's frilly knickers would be left standing!! I had a go with an XR6T in my VRX the other day just for the heck of it, I think i saw him dissapear over the horizon a few seconds later!!

I payed $16000 for my TJ Manual Sports with Climate Control & Sunroof

Not bad??

i wasnt saying either engine was better than the other.
i was just comparing the 2 cars stock for stock, and i think its interesting how close they are in real terms.
There is no disputing that the ford can be upgraded a huge amount more than the ralliart, its a damn turbo! but take a look at the RPW magna and u can see when u whack a turbo on a magna it can be upgraded to the shitter too ;) 8)

i wasnt saying either engine was better than the other.
i was just comparing the 2 cars stock for stock, and i think its interesting how close they are in real terms.
There is no disputing that the ford can be upgraded a huge amount more than the ralliart, its a damn turbo! but take a look at the RPW magna and u can see when u whack a turbo on a magna it can be upgraded to the shitter too ;) 8)

Yeah but..... :roll: :p

"The RPW MAGNA" has had a shitload of money spent on it, "Whacking" a turbo on is by no means cheap....the FORD XR6T simply needs to wind the boost up to gain 100kw at the flywheel....and is still pretty well stock ;)

The XR6T Will be the next VLT ;)

The XR6T Will be the next VLT ;)

Definately. APS are having fun developing several stages to their upgrades.

I payed $16000 for my TJ Manual Sports with Climate Control & Sunroof

Not bad??
DAaaaaaaaaaaMN!

No point suggesting doing xyz to the ralliart to go faster than the xr6T bec if u also allow xyz to the xr6T it will get even further away. Also comparing power to weight between the cars doesnt tell the whole story bec u also need to consider the far greater torque of the ford and how this more than overcomes the weight diff.
A better comparison is the naturally aspirated BA Falcon eg XT with the Ralliart, thats 182 kw vs 180. Figures for 0-100 are both about 7.8 secs and high 14's for 400m. the magna in either man or auto has 5 gears and the falcon only 4 plus about 200 kg extra bulk and way taller gearing. The BA is still as quick as the Ralliart bec of its extra 50 Nm torque.
Take off the tacky rear wing saving a heap of weight and drag and the premo magna should just edge over the base falcon.
I reckon Ralliart held out on all their turbo technology for the magna bec at the time there was only FWD magna and it couldnt take any more power safely bec of grip issues.
AWD magna has been out for a year now, come on mitsi and ralliart we want an HSV and FPV kicking AWD turbo magna with 300-400kw NOW!!!

My Ralliart must be broken then because it goes from 0-100 in 6.5 (standard) consistently. The only way I can get 7.8 out of it is with the hand brake on.

7.8 is what Wheels magazine list for the car and I think tey do their own testing with 2 people on board, I dont know what mitsubishi claim, yours would be a bit quicker being fully run in.
I still think they held out on us, they should do a 3.5 and AWD as wildly as the 2.0 and AWD in an evo lancer and it would kill any HSV or FPV. What ARE they waiting for???

guys, you're all fighting a pretty silly fight here!!! your forgetting things like turbo lag, gearing, drag, reaction time (yes even rolling starts), gear changes, slippage!! there are so many things that go into determining who's is going to be the faster car!!!

Wheels (or Motor) were quoted as saying that you could get a 7.8sec 0-100 starting in second!!

And Yes, bring on the AWD Ralliart turbo!!!

guys, you're all fighting a pretty silly fight here!!! your forgetting things like turbo lag, gearing, drag, reaction time (yes even rolling starts), gear changes, slippage!! there are so many things that go into determining who's is going to be the faster car!!!

Wheels (or Motor) were quoted as saying that you could get a 7.8sec 0-100 starting in second!!

And Yes, bring on the AWD Ralliart turbo!!!

And autospeed says that when the ralliart magna came out, the only car
that can beat it in a straight line race is the 300kw HSV GTS.

The AWD has some serious problems that I can see.
1) its very lossy in the drivetrain
2) the car is an auto
3) turbos pump out some serious torque spikes
4) the evos are much lighter than the AWD. 1644kg vs 1480kg

So you are talking a whole new gear box design (current manual?) and a new viscous mixing box for front and rear.

I once mentioned that when talking to a car dyno dude that he mentioned a graph of rate of effort. it will be good to compare this between FWD and AWD and therefore get an idea of straight line kW comparisson. ie if you take the area under the rate of effort graph and then compare them as a ratio of takeoff power, you should be able to estimate the straight line kW of the FWD v AWD and therefore gestimate how much you can slaughter the HSVs with your dream car Ralliart AWD turbo magna.

Almost more than world peace, an all wheel drive Ralliart is what I really want too. But it'll have to have at least 220kW.

And one more little known fact, the Ralliart magna is the fastest Australian made 6 cylinder. Motor magazines claim, not mine.

Interesting claim Really Art.

I'm gunna cite the example of the Charger again, coz I love them dearly lol.

Now it was australian made (to the best of my knowledge), and it was clearly faster than the Ralliart. E49 had a standing quarter of low 14-high 13s somewhere around there...

It was the most powerful 6 cylinder in the world at the time (the 265 Hemi this is), and it's still up there.

I wonder how they based their claim? Unless they mean it's the fastest that you can buy new...which makes sense.

i think, if i remember correctly, that its the fastest australian made "family" six ever :D

That'll make sense then...if they say it's the fastest Family 6

One of my favorite all time cars is the Charger R/T. And just like the Magna, it was also underated due to a desire by the public to love big V8's instead of sixes.

I think though the Ralliart would be quicker (we're talking top speed) if for no other reason than the aerodynamics of the Charger would hold it back.

I think the E49 pumps out around 300HP and if used in anger consume frightening amounts of fuel.

I'll have to look for the article in Motor, but they were comparing it to the XR6T as well.

I think though the Ralliart would be quicker (we're talking top speed) if for no other reason than the aerodynamics of the Charger would hold it back.


Of course..thats what I wasnt thinking about! lol

I was confusing "quickest" with "fastest" they're 2 different things.

I would agree..the ralliart would have a higher top speed...if you remove the limiter ;)

yep charger was reported as being unable to take off in 1st without chirping tyres, and had a 1/4 in high 13's vs GTHO low 14's.

Motor might be saying fastest assie 6 available now. A ralliart magna when it came out in 02 was compared by both motor and wheels with holden XU6 supercharged and ford XR6 VCT and was rated clear winner both times. As all fords are speed limited at 190 kph, Ralliart which is meant to be good for 240 plus would easily be fastest for top speed. as it is lighter again than the commo

Canberra VR-X, I also live in Tuggers, Kambah to be precise.

You could trade in the VR-X and have yourself a tasty, red Ralliart.

Do it, you know you want it!

What??!! get given $23K for the VR-X and pay $35 for the Smelliart? I don't think so. Or do you think I could do better than those numbers? :D

*bump*

Hey Really Art... what is your answer? :)


[quote:699b81f751="ReallyArt"]Canberra VR-X, I also live in Tuggers, Kambah to be precise.

You could trade in the VR-X and have yourself a tasty, red Ralliart.

Do it, you know you want it!

What??!! get given $23K for the VR-X and pay $35 for the Smelliart? I don't think so. Or do you think I could do better than those numbers? :D[/quote:699b81f751]

Really Art's gone. :?

Sorry for the non-reply.

I've been busy.

Getting married actually.

I reckon you could get the "Ralliart" (that's how it's spelled) for about $33,000

Sorry for the non-reply.

I've been busy.

Getting married actually.

I reckon you could get the "Ralliart" (that's how it's spelled) for about $33,000

Congrats dude! :D

The natcap motors tuggeranong Ralliart has gone. Dont know who bought it. Last ad I saw in the paper had the price down to 31,000. Only 21,000kms! :(

I think there's one out at Pickles Auctions in Fyshwick. They're asking $33,000.

Oh, and thanks for the congrats.

Tempted... only if low km's. Must have a look. :)

Tempted... only if low km's. Must have a look. :)

I'm in Woden these days.... and am looking for something a bit bigger and quicker than my current car... was thinking of a TJ VRX or Rallyart 2nd hand maybes....

Cnbra-VR-X... if u wanna sell ur VRX let me know. Might be interested.

(Stupid Phillip Mitsu still asking 39,500 for their 'nu' TJII VRX...bah.. stoopid heads.).

Smurf.

the red ralliart from tuggers is sitting in braddon natcapmotors prior to delivery... i got to have a look @ it... its very very neat... as nu!

wonder if anyone would let me test drive theirs??
(reallyart ?? :D )

Smurf

[quote:7b90c4f44c]wonder if anyone would let me test drive theirs??
(reallyart ?? )[/quote:7b90c4f44c]

Only if your over 25 (it's an insurance thing) or have a BMW M3 you can leave as a deposit. :D

[quote:973115756b]wonder if anyone would let me test drive theirs??
(reallyart ?? )

Only if your over 25 (it's an insurance thing) or have a BMW M3 you can leave as a deposit. :D[/quote:973115756b]

m3? youre generous, i wouldnt part with mine for less than an m5 or 8 series :o

Does Mitsubishi Aust..ever get to see what is said in these forums...cause i have no idea about what this topic was gonna venture into and i've read the whole 5 pages without knowing a single thing about the ralliart magna or the specs.....but i've just entered myself into a very hot topic...
AS we all know mitsu aren't about to get a V8 thing happeneing...senisble i believe...as V8 SS & monaro, XR8 drivers are fat rich pricks.....
Mitsu should get some ideas from the thier driving public.....i read about some dude from mitsu who was killing the company......
i might be just talking shit here,, but seriously...obviously we r all passionate about our MITSU'S and we can see that people would buy an AWD Turbo Ralliart and stuff......
well i'll go bakc to driving my V6 3 Lt Verada,,with stock engine......

look at this;

http://www.ralliart.com.au/ralliart/pages/main.htm

here you will find specs

[quote:c8f1c20deb]wonder if anyone would let me test drive theirs??
(reallyart ?? )

Only if your over 25 (it's an insurance thing) or have a BMW M3 you can leave as a deposit. :D[/quote:c8f1c20deb]


lol.... i fit then... well over 25 ... (screemin towards old-agedness)... AND have purple toyota shiny thing as deposit!
Been lookin at ralli's... but hard to figure out wot u think without actually strapping one on.
:)
Smurf.

PS: Am going window shopping for nu car tomorrow (sat)... if anyone wants to lend me a VRX or Ralli to play with let me know :D
(is it just me... or do they both look best in silver :p)

Smurf

(is it just me... or do they both look best in silver :p)

Smurf

no mate its just you. :)

they look best in red (mine!!!) or black sable

Black sable and red...only way to fly 8)

Not only do they look best in red, but it's a well known fact that red cars go faster.

Not only do they look best in red, but it's a well known fact that red cars go faster.

hehe couldnt have put it better myself mate 8)

let me know if anyone sees a decent TJ2 Vrx or ralli for sale around ACT.
(... still thinx the tj2 vrx's mags go better with silver paint :P)
:badgrin:

Smurf

i thinx this is teh bomb...

So do I... :)

But I think my opinion is biased... :D

Go a Ralliart, if you can, they are not much more these days...

I wish I held out for a little longer...because I could be driving a Ralliart now... :?

Do you want to buy my VRX :?: :D

Just picked up my Ralliart, red of course, last weekend.

Only 20000kms on the clock and paid over $30000 for it.

It's no use comparing it to any other car (XR6T, SS etc) as if i wanted one of those cars, i would have bought one.

The Ralliart is a niche car which is a lot of fun and would highly recommend it to anyone.

Not interested in running it against a ford or charger or any other car for that matter, just happy to cruise in it.

I have had a lot of modified turbos as well but would much rather drive this car. If i wanted to race anyone, i would have kept the turbos.

[quote:d18bafa25c]If i wanted to race anyone, i would have kept the turbos.[/quote:d18bafa25c]

[quote:d18bafa25c]Not interested in running it against a ford or charger or any other car for that matter, just happy to cruise in it.[/quote:d18bafa25c]

Yeah, yeah. That's what I use to say. Give it another week. :lol:

Do you want to buy my VRX :?: :D[/quote]

yeah im interested... but im looking for one in ACT.

Smurf

ReallyArt - Very true, i have been tempted already and it seems that everyone who has a Magna, Camry, Commodore or Falcon wants a go against it.

I have just been looking the other way but the hand is on the gearknob ready to drop it back.

Fighting temptation, i still have to get used of the car but it has an amazing turn of speed and power, even in 5th, she pulls hard.

I am impressed with it, does not feel like a Magna when you are behind the wheel and driving it.