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liberate
30-10-2007, 01:25 PM
Are there any real magna race cars out there?

like full race setup, like stripped out interior, roll cage etc.

PICS, SPECS etc. etc.

_stonesour_
30-10-2007, 01:29 PM
eddy wreckers comes to mind,

go have a look at it on south rd edwards town across the road from australian motors mazda,

there are a few other i notie on speedweek from time to time

trm_05
30-10-2007, 01:32 PM
Are there any real magna race cars out there?

like full race setup, like stripped out interior, roll cage etc.

PICS, SPECS etc. etc.magna is not a race car there a puss box

BJ31OS
30-10-2007, 01:34 PM
Hey is a few for you
sorry dont have any specs


http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/9258/m139re0.jpg
http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/5586/m140it4.jpg
http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/9647/761bjb9.jpg
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/8452/214bfy2.jpg

BJ31OS
30-10-2007, 01:35 PM
magna is not a race car there a puss box

sorry to double post but you couldnt be more wrong look above

liberate
30-10-2007, 01:38 PM
Does anyone know who the first pic is? is it in Australia? any specs on the car?

Lucifer
30-10-2007, 01:39 PM
magna is not a race car there a puss box


http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/9258/m139re0.jpg

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g35/z0mgluke/Forum%20Responses/funny_cat_pictures_219.jpg

BJ31OS
30-10-2007, 01:41 PM
Does anyone know who the first pic is? is it in Australia? any specs on the car?

hey liberate this site it might help you

Clink Here (http://www.mumboracing.com/magna.htm)

liberate
30-10-2007, 01:43 PM
thanks man.

thats sweet! a 5l V8, RWD magna with 400+hp

liberate
30-10-2007, 01:44 PM
can high performance racing parts be sourced for a magna?

or is everything just custom made?

trm_05
30-10-2007, 01:47 PM
sorry to double post but you couldnt be more wrong look above
iam sorry did magna build a v8 ??

NORBY
30-10-2007, 01:48 PM
you could easily make a 3.5 into a race car

upgrade to brembo's all round
supercharger and supporting mods
adjustable coil overs
sway/strut bars

thatd b a good track car!

Trotty
30-10-2007, 01:49 PM
I think i'm on the money when i say there ALL custom made....:rant:

NORBY
30-10-2007, 01:49 PM
iam sorry did magna build a v8 ??
mitsubishi would be the company not magna lol

if you were actually capable of reading you would have seen it was a holden 5L

trm_05
30-10-2007, 01:49 PM
you could easily make a 3.5 into a race car

upgrade to brembo's all round
supercharger and supporting mods
adjustable coil overs
sway/strut bars

thatd b a good track car!
i have a 3.5 and it eats 50 lt vn ss but its no race car

trm_05
30-10-2007, 01:54 PM
mitsubishi would be the company not magna lol

if you were actually capable of reading you would have seen it was a holden 5L
if it has a 308 holden running gear its not a magna is it

liberate
30-10-2007, 02:02 PM
if it has a 308 holden running gear its not a magna is it

yeah it is, my mate has a toyota celica and he put a Nissan SR20DET into it, so that means its no longer a celica?

Trotty
30-10-2007, 02:04 PM
IRRELIVANT of the driveline, it's the body shape we recognise cars by.... :nuts:

trm_05
30-10-2007, 02:05 PM
yeah it is, my mate has a toyota celica and he put a Nissan SR20DET into it, so that means its no longer a celica?
all it says is the magne running gear is junk so use holden and everyone knows toyota celica had a big name but are gutless

SILENCR
30-10-2007, 02:05 PM
iam sorry did magna build a v8 ??

Don't have to have a V8 to be good around the track

With the handling mods my car has it owned a R33 GTR (yes GTR) around Mallala race track over here and performance wise its just a stock 3.5

liberate
30-10-2007, 02:05 PM
all it says is the magne running gear is junk so use holden and everyone knows toyota celica had a big name but are gutless

yeah but its still a celica. just like that magna race car is still a magna

trm_05
30-10-2007, 02:06 PM
yeah but its still a celica. just like that magna race car is still a magna
true its a magna body

Trotty
30-10-2007, 02:08 PM
i dont agree that someone should mate holden/mits parts, that engine just dont look right in that Ebay....:bowrofl:

liberate
30-10-2007, 02:10 PM
i dont agree that someone should mate holden/mits parts, that engine just dont look right in that Ebay....:bowrofl:

does anyone have any pics of its engine bay?

another example, George from GT Autosound putt a twin turbo GEN 3 5.7l V8 into his R34 Nissan Skyline drift car and everyone still calls that a R34

trm_05
30-10-2007, 02:11 PM
i dont agree that someone should mate holden/mits parts, that engine just dont look right in that Ebay....:bowrofl:
PMSL !!!!!!!!

Trotty
30-10-2007, 02:12 PM
1st page for the pic...

Trotty
30-10-2007, 02:13 PM
another example, George from GT Autosound putt a twin turbo GEN 3 5.7l V8 into his R34 Nissan Skyline drift car and everyone still calls that a R34

But isnt that a sweet car, Droool over self....

liberate
30-10-2007, 02:15 PM
But isnt that a sweet car, Droool over self....

yeah its a sweet car but I think they're having trouble with it at the moment so its out of the drift series.

wookiee
30-10-2007, 02:15 PM
there are quite a few Magnas racing in Improved Production in SA.

unfortunately the CAMS rules state that you can forcefully aspirate a late model (1987+) car that didn't come from the factory with it, so you can't put a blower on a Magna.

with the right suspension setup and a decently tweaked NA motor you could be competitive with the middle runners.

in fact, you could put a 6G75 in a TR/TS and get a really fast, really light FWD. hmmm, that might be interesting.

cheers,
.wook

wookiee
30-10-2007, 02:17 PM
all it says is the magne running gear is junk so use holden and everyone knows toyota celica had a big name but are gutless
no, what it says is that car was built to fit in with the rules. it was either a ford or holden setup that had to be put in there.

wookiee
30-10-2007, 02:21 PM
you could easily make a 3.5 into a race car

upgrade to brembo's all round
supercharger and supporting mods
adjustable coil overs
sway/strut bars

thatd b a good track car!

hah, I've done most of that...

front brake upgrade (320mm twin spot) -- working on the rears
supercharger
koni yellows
whiteline sway bars, camber pins
semi slicks

now, if I could just get that auto tranny to break so I can throw a manual in it.

did about 5 secs slower than Jase + Dan around Wakefield yesterday.

cheers,
.wook

liberate
30-10-2007, 02:22 PM
what mods can be done to a magna without going forced induction that will get the car big power figures. would it be possible to get 200kw atw while keeping it N/A?

SILENCR
30-10-2007, 02:22 PM
hah, I've done most of that...

front brake upgrade (320mm twin spot) -- working on the rears
supercharger
koni yellows
whiteline sway bars, camber pins
semi slicks

now, if I could just get that auto tranny to break so I can throw a manual in it.

did about 5 secs slower than Jase + Dan around Wakefield yesterday.

cheers,
.wook

That would be one quick car with a manual


what mods can be done to a magna without going forced induction that will get the car big power figures. would it be possible to get 200kw atw while keeping it N/A?

Cams - JASONSVRX has close to 200kw N/A

liberate
30-10-2007, 02:26 PM
What sort of mods does his car have?

SILENCR
30-10-2007, 02:28 PM
What sort of mods does his car have?

Check his profile for some - if your seriously interested about the engine mods PM him. He has put A LOT of time, effort and money into it so unless your willing to do the same, I wouldn't bother

wookiee
30-10-2007, 02:31 PM
cams and timing would get you a decent amount of power. you can advance the timing to run on 100+ octane, run a real lumpy cam, do some breathing mods and you'll get 200+ atw. unfortunately it won't be enough to match the front runners in IP Over 2L (GTRs and RX7 mainly).

my car was turning some heads yesterday. was killing a VH with a VT 308 in it, and keeping most of the others in my mirrors. just couldn't hang with the big boys (Evo 8s and 9s, GTR, and an STI).

almost everyone had to see what was under the bonnet of the loud black beast. hehe

cheers,
.wook

EDIT: cthulu (http://aussiemagna.com/forums/member.php?find=lastposter&t=35566) has over 200 atw.

SILENCR
30-10-2007, 02:37 PM
cams and timing would get you a decent amount of power. you can advance the timing to run on 100+ octane, run a real lumpy cam, do some breathing mods and you'll get 200+ atw. unfortunately it won't be enough to match the front runners in IP Over 2L (GTRs and RX7 mainly).

my car was turning some heads yesterday. was killing a VH with a VT 308 in it, and keeping most of the others in my mirrors. just couldn't hang with the big boys (Evo 8s and 9s, GTR, and an STI).

almost everyone had to see what was under the bonnet of the loud black beast. hehe

cheers,
.wook

That's VERY impressive mate - sounds like there's a few good, quick Magna's getting into regular track racing over there

Hitman20
30-10-2007, 02:41 PM
Pretty sure some of the le-man's prototype's are using TDI's now, and no way are they V8... NTM Carrera Cup is one of the fastest in the country, well dah, porcshe are just that goddamn quick and they are only running Flat 6's... So are they not a race car???

Screamin TE
30-10-2007, 02:46 PM
Audi ran a TDI in Le Mans, i think it was called the R8.....nope, sorry its the R10

crick here prease (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audi_R10)

Chisholm
30-10-2007, 02:47 PM
For starters there are 4 magnas in SA IPRA, I have spoken to some of the drivers/engineers of these cars.

Jim Myhills Magna
http://www.iprasa.mx.com.au/cars/27%20myhill.htm

John Woodberrys Magna
http://www.iprasa.mx.com.au/cars/30%20Woodberry.htm

Ian Statham
http://www.iprasa.mx.com.au/cars/20%20statham2.htm

Paul Mills (Eddy Wreckers)
http://www.iprasa.mx.com.au/cars/28%20mills.htm

I have seen a stripped out race TJ sports at Wakefield also, but the owner wasn't around to talk to, it was just parked there for the day.

They vary a bit in levels of mods and specific setup. E.g Jim Myhill's magna uses a 380 motor (basically stock apart from exhaust and retune), and twinpot ralliart brakes. Eddys wreckers have done a fairly extensive n/a build making about 200 front wheel kw, use 4-pot R33 calipers with commodore rotors, in general have done more work than the others and consequently it goes a bit faster.

_stonesour_
30-10-2007, 02:52 PM
you guys are missing alot of the point,

a track car does not need to be powerfull,

its possible you could have half the power as your opponents but can carry alot more corner speed, and pull up for a corner quicker and do faster lap times than something with double the power.

if you want to talk race car specs look at
-coilovers or top notch shocks and springs
-chunky strut braces , sway bars and reo bars
-tuned camber, ride height, rebound
-well vented brakes, and big brakes at that

Chisholm
30-10-2007, 03:08 PM
Correct, you'd be surprised how fast you can make a car with a stock motor go around track, it's all in the suspension setup. Althought extra power always helps (up to a point).

Basically you take all the rules of setting up a RWD to go fast, and chuck them in the bin. understeer is the #1 killer of speed in a FWD, so it needs to be virtually eliminated (as opposed to RWDs, where a hint of early/mid corner understeer is desirable for good traction on exit. A well setup FWD track car will tend to have mild oversteer on turn-in.

The key is to have the rear sprung VERY stiff. E.g the IPRA guys run roughly the same springrate in the rear as the front (keep in mind there's much less weight in the rear). This eliminates squat, and gives maximum possible front-end grip at all times, by keeping the weight over the front wheels.

Another key point is to be mindful of the fact magnas have mcpherson struts, which tend to have undesireable geometry changes under compression. E.g double-wishbone setups gain negative camber under compression, mcpherson setups gain positive camber. Basically here the compromise is to get the outside front wheel doing 80% of the work under cornering, through lots of roll-resistance and a fair bit of negative camber.

However too much roll-resistance will lift up the inside front wheel, which kills power down. So does too much negative camber. With track setup it's all about finding the "sweet" spot, in terms of spring rates, compression and rebound in the dampers, and geometry to make your tyres and chassis work well.

I am currently planning my track-oriented suspension revamp (but compromised, as it has to be tolerable on the street). I've been told to expect to shave off "several seconds" per lap over the King Lows/KYBs, once I get a well-configured setup happening. Obviously my driving isn't perfect, but it seems I aint gonna go much faster with my current suspension.

To put it into perspective, factory springrate at the front I've been told is 120lbs/inch. King Lows are 180lbs. I'm looking at about 400lbs. The IPRA magnas are 500lbs or higher (one is about to trial a 900lbs spring).

I've learnt so much about car setup and what I can do to go much quicker, I can't wait till I do my suspension, get new r-comps (mine have "gone off" quite badly) and get out there.

wookiee
30-10-2007, 03:09 PM
you guys are missing alot of the point,

a track car does not need to be powerfull,

its possible you could have half the power as your opponents but can carry alot more corner speed, and pull up for a corner quicker and do faster lap times than something with double the power.

if you want to talk race car specs look at
-coilovers or top notch shocks and springs
-chunky strut braces , sway bars and reo bars
-tuned camber, ride height, rebound
-well vented brakes, and big brakes at that

I agree that you don't need huge power to be competitive, but, with all things being equal, the guy with more horses usually wins.

I was catching that VH in the corners, but on the straight he had me. I could brake later and hold a better line, and that was enough on a tight twisty track like Wakefield. had we been at Eastern Creek he might have had me.

_stonesour_
30-10-2007, 03:27 PM
yeah true,

though if all was equal id rather have extra driving skill than extra HP, does wonders

Chisholm
30-10-2007, 03:36 PM
Don't have to have a V8 to be good around the track

With the handling mods my car has it owned a R33 GTR (yes GTR) around Mallala race track over here and performance wise its just a stock 3.5

Sorry, but if you "owned" a R33 GTR around a track with King lows and Monroe, it's because the other guy couldn't drive for ****.

As I've found out, gear like King Lows and "sporty" street shocks are a bit better than stock suspension on a track, but really not up to the task once you aren't a beginner anymore.

With equal driving ability a stock GTR should have destroy your setup.

Out of curiousity what kind of times were you lapping? I know the Eddy Wreckers IPRA magna does around the 1:20 mark at Mallala.


hah, I've done most of that...

front brake upgrade (320mm twin spot) -- working on the rears
supercharger
koni yellows
whiteline sway bars, camber pins
semi slicks

now, if I could just get that auto tranny to break so I can throw a manual in it.


You'll probably find upgrading the rear brakes won't do an awful lot. Koni yellows have the potential to be quite good on the track, but to go much faster you really need MUCH higher spring rates and have them revalved accordingly. Regarding camber, you want as much as the kit allows, which is probably around 2.5 deg negative.

And yep R-comps are lovely, in terms of best lap times you aren't gonna that much faster, but what they offer is consistency and stiff sidewalls for more feel/reponse. So you can do say 5 fairly quick laps instead of 1-2 on street tyres before they start falling apart.

Also LSD is VERY imporant in a FWD, even with modest power levels. As for your auto tranny, I'm not really sure how much it's worth in terms of laptimes, but it really takes away from the experience alot IMO.

_stonesour_
30-10-2007, 04:01 PM
got to back silencr up here i saw it with my own eyes, however i think the guy was only 16 and really didnt have much cinfidence with corner speed,

so it just shows driver skill is a huge factor

Satan
30-10-2007, 04:18 PM
Stop trying to show who has the bigger P****! It's scientifically proven to NOT WORK! Stop trying to type with perfect grammer and spelling and quoting other peoples slang to show you're a smart bum.

The O/P'er asked a question and has gotten the answers he/she is looking for.
BACK ON TRACK!

_stonesour_
30-10-2007, 04:23 PM
sorry mate but id say chisolm is one of the very few ppl on this forum who really knows his stuff, i have learnt alot from his posts since he has joined up

Satan
30-10-2007, 04:25 PM
sorry mate but id say chisolm is one of the very few ppl on this forum who really knows his stuff, i have learnt alot from his posts since he has joined up

I wasnt refering to any single member

CASS-VRXTJ
30-10-2007, 05:24 PM
ive always believed they were, since i heard that they did up a racing magna, full roll cage the works etc, and it beat the record time against holdens and fords , obviously would have had a v8 in it but the race still remains only between holdens and fords traditionally. Maybe i was wrong damn.. :(... bummer.

Screamin TE
30-10-2007, 05:49 PM
i know of a saying at it is applicable to people from all walks of life, young and old.

IF YOU CAN'T DRIVE WITH 60 HP THE 600 HP ISN'T GOING TO HELP EITHER

Satan
30-10-2007, 05:52 PM
IF YOU CAN'T DRIVE WITH 60 HP THE 600 HP ISN'T GOING TO HELP EITHER

Tell that to the dude that pulled out in front of me today and then drove off... leaving me to pay $$ to fix my car.

ts3.0
30-10-2007, 06:00 PM
thats horrible, dont take it out on us, theres been lotsa good facts in this thread

SILENCR
31-10-2007, 06:14 AM
Sorry, but if you "owned" a R33 GTR around a track with King lows and Monroe, it's because the other guy couldn't drive for ****.

As I've found out, gear like King Lows and "sporty" street shocks are a bit better than stock suspension on a track, but really not up to the task once you aren't a beginner anymore.

With equal driving ability a stock GTR should have destroy your setup.

Out of curiousity what kind of times were you lapping? I know the Eddy Wreckers IPRA magna does around the 1:20 mark at Mallala.

Im not saying the setup that I've got is the ultimate race setup, was just saying that spending some money on suspension, brakes and tyres enabled me to lap faster around the track than the GTR. Had I spent the same money and gone for more HP with standard suspension, brakes and tyres it would have been a completely different story.

Not sure what times I was running as they weren't being recorded unfortunetly and I didn't organise for anyone to time me from the side lines as it was my first ever trip to the track so wasn't sure what to expect. Was pretty happy with the way the car performed throughout the day though, considering I don't have a full on race setup. I was in a group which also consisted on an FTO, one of the new Mini Coopers with semi slicks and the GTR for one session because he went into the wrong group, so was a good mixture

wookiee
31-10-2007, 07:05 AM
You'll probably find upgrading the rear brakes won't do an awful lot.
yeah, I know, but I'm sick of having itty bitty brakes on the rear. it's more cosmetic than functional, but with that said, any improvement in performance is good.


Koni yellows have the potential to be quite good on the track, but to go much faster you really need MUCH higher spring rates and have them revalved accordingly. Regarding camber, you want as much as the kit allows, which is probably around 2.5 deg negative.

I had about -1.0 camber on Monday. not enough to make proper use of the tyres. I just ran out of time to have it adjusted. I know my Lovells aren't the stiffest springs, and if I was building a race car I wouldn't have them in at all. but it's not a race car, it's a road car, and it has enough rattles as it is, thanks very much! lol


And yep R-comps are lovely, in terms of best lap times you aren't gonna that much faster, but what they offer is consistency and stiff sidewalls for more feel/reponse. So you can do say 5 fairly quick laps instead of 1-2 on street tyres before they start falling apart.

Also LSD is VERY imporant in a FWD, even with modest power levels. As for your auto tranny, I'm not really sure how much it's worth in terms of laptimes, but it really takes away from the experience alot IMO.
actually, using info from Dan's performancebox, the auto holds it own against the manual. the acceleration is obviously smoother (i.e. no gear change "bumps"). I think a 5 speed with it's shorter ratios would be a lot quicker, but if I'm swapping out 'boxes I might as well get a manual. I didn't really suffer from inside wheel spin this time. I think the tyres had a lot to do with that.

my biggest problem is between the steering wheel and the seat. I need to learn the course, braking points, turn in points and fast lines across the top of the hill. turn 9 through to the kink I'm pretty much even with Dan. more track time needed!!

cheers,
.wook

M4DDOG
31-10-2007, 07:36 AM
No one has mentioned natalie's magna (http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38900) from willowbank? That usually does alright.

Back in 2000-2001 i saw the GT production cars race which had porsche/ferrari/viper in class A, and v8 commos/3.5l magnas in class B, and then class c had your hot little hatches, the magna's always beat the holden v8's around the track in every race i saw.

wookiee
31-10-2007, 07:56 AM
No one has mentioned natalie's magna (http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38900) from willowbank? That usually does alright.
she's not driving that anymore. she's "upgraded" to an XR8. it's still running around in that AMRS production touring car (http://www.ptcc.net.au/) class, Matt Coulter is driving it though. but it's not a race car, per se. it's only very slightly modified as per the production category rules.

Neil Byers is driving a 380 around in that class too.

they do some pretty good times considering the cars are pretty stock.

cheers,
.wook

Hitman20
31-10-2007, 08:17 AM
Yeah i've been following this on and off, and i think there's a local prod car circuit round here with a blue TJ racing and it's doing alright too, i'll research it and get back to ya. But yeah i've been watchin her on and off, and she does alright... Bloody Beemers :doubt: rip her so badly though.

I love the orange and pink :P what a colour clash... somebody give that woman fashion sense... HAHAHA!

Jasons VRX
31-10-2007, 08:17 AM
All i can say is Liberate, my car will be back at mallala doing as many track/circut sprint days as i can next year once the new engine is fully run in.

Feel free to come up, have a look, discuss things and if your lucky enough i may be able to take ya for a few quickish laps.

Oh chisholm, my car has done quite a few laps in the mid 1:22's around mallala. Not bad for a heavy FWD "street" car on street tyres. :P

EZ Boy
01-11-2007, 06:45 PM
Sounds like I need to get a hurry-on on my inlet manifolds!!

Trotty
01-11-2007, 06:48 PM
Sounds like I need to get a hurry-on on my inlet manifolds!!


Yes you do..... and then one for the 2nd gen 3ltr V6:bowrofl: WOOOOT!
I'd be up for one... 4 sure

rejectofgeeks
01-11-2007, 07:45 PM
Wonder what happened to that TMR AWD TL VR-X...

M4DDOG
02-11-2007, 07:30 AM
she's not driving that anymore. she's "upgraded" to an XR8. it's still running around in that AMRS production touring car (http://www.ptcc.net.au/) class, Matt Coulter is driving it though. but it's not a race car, per se. it's only very slightly modified as per the production category rules.

Neil Byers is driving a 380 around in that class too.

they do some pretty good times considering the cars are pretty stock.

cheers,
.wook
Pfh it's a magna and it races :P.
Damn shame she moved on, she was pushing that magna really well :(.

andrewd
02-11-2007, 07:44 AM
as mentined re power, power is nothing without a good chassis

cant comment on 1:1 scale as i havent raced

but in cars 1:10th the size i've had an insanley powerful awd that handles poorly and was constantly destroyed by a stock FWD that was set up well, no not really relative to real life, BUT the basics are similar

wookiee
02-11-2007, 08:04 AM
Pfh it's a magna and it races :P.
Damn shame she moved on, she was pushing that magna really well :(.

funny you should say that... had a bit of a convo with someone close to Natalie yesterday and that person reckons she liked driving the Magna more than the XR8.

it has also been mentioned that in the wet a well setup Magna can lap faster than some V8 Supercars!!!

apparently the silver Magna Sports she was driving is capable of lapping around Wakefield in 1:12 :shock:

on a related note, my auto was worth a bunch a 1:17s yesterday. a manual box and Quaife LSD are on the shopping list. as well as some harder semis for the front. got a decent chunk out of the front left yesterday as the mediums are too soft for the heavier cars.

cheers,
.wook

MicJaiy
02-11-2007, 08:22 AM
ouch!!
http://www.ozspeed.net/gallery//0000//00/3316.jpg

Jasons VRX
02-11-2007, 08:54 AM
on a related note, my auto was worth a bunch a 1:17s yesterday. a manual box and Quaife LSD are on the shopping list. as well as some harder semis for the front. got a decent chunk out of the front left yesterday as the mediums are too soft for the heavier cars.

cheers,
.wook

What semis are you using?

Ive been using yokohama A048's on the front of my magna at mallala raceway and they have handled the abuse pretty good. Mallala is hard on brakes and tyres (on large heavy cars) due to the number of tight corners and shortish straights.

wookiee
02-11-2007, 09:01 AM
What semis are you using?

Ive been using yokohama A048's on the front of my magna at mallala raceway and they have handled the abuse pretty good. Mallala is hard on brakes and tyres (on largish cars)due to the number of tight corners and shortish straights.

I was running a set of Kumho V70A mediums (K6A's). next time I'll try the K9A's which are harder. air temp was about 23 or 24 and the front left lasted about 30 hard laps. the rights are not too bad, and the rears are even better, so I'll stay with the mediums on the rears.

increasing neg camber on the front will help a bunch too! I need an alignment now thanks to a couple of offs and Dan running the ripple strips (mainly the offs, I'm sure!!), so I'll get the max neg camber I can.

cheers,
.wook

Jasons VRX
02-11-2007, 09:17 AM
I was running a set of Kumho V70A mediums (K6A's). next time I'll try the K9A's which are harder. air temp was about 23 or 24 and the front left lasted about 30 hard laps. the rights are not too bad, and the rears are even better, so I'll stay with the mediums on the rears.

increasing neg camber on the front will help a bunch too! I need an alignment now thanks to a couple of offs and Dan running the ripple strips (mainly the offs, I'm sure!!), so I'll get the max neg camber I can.

cheers,
.wook

My car has just over 1 and 1/2 degree neg on the front and i dont have front camber bolts (as i hate the damn things as there prone to "slipping" out of adjustment). :)

This camber setting suits both my street tyres and the semi slicks, it seems to be a happy medium.

Chisholm
02-11-2007, 06:57 PM
I was running a set of Kumho V70A mediums (K6A's). next time I'll try the K9A's which are harder. air temp was about 23 or 24 and the front left lasted about 30 hard laps. the rights are not too bad, and the rears are even better, so I'll stay with the mediums on the rears.

increasing neg camber on the front will help a bunch too! I need an alignment now thanks to a couple of offs and Dan running the ripple strips (mainly the offs, I'm sure!!), so I'll get the max neg camber I can.

cheers,
.wook

I have a032Rs (basically same as a0480) in H compound and have been happy with them. although I think have "gone-off" now (I got them second-hand for next to nothing).

So I'll be looking at some new r-comps for next year, will probably go the K9As or Toyo R888 (gonna do some more research first).

And yes, negative camber is very important! On my last Wakefield outing I had an LSD but only gained 1 sec on my PB, even though the difference in power-down was MASSIVE.

I believe the reason for this is I just had the diff put in and ran out of time for a wheel aligment, turned out it was close to 0 each side, front-end grip definantely felt lacking compared to previously when I ran -1.5-2 deg.

Next time I'm gonna have the max negative camber the bolt kit allows, which is around -2.5 deg it seems. R-comps really do benefit from some negative camber, The IPRA magna guys seem to run - 2.5-3.5 deg. Remember we are running mcpherson struts, which gain positive camber under compression, so you need a decent amount of static negative camber to make up for this.

JAP_SPEC_TE
09-11-2007, 02:26 PM
Are there any real magna race cars out there?

like full race setup, like stripped out interior, roll cage etc.

PICS, SPECS etc. etc.
i really hope that u are only curious!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
cause bro let be honest here, a magna is a family
spend 5k on the engine and u will still get beat by a stock r33 with a boost conroller:bowrofl:

Articuno
09-11-2007, 02:35 PM
i really hope that u are only curious!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
cause bro let be honest here, a magna is a family
spend 5k on the engine and u will still get beat by a stock r33 with a boost conroller:bowrofl:

Is your name Eric?

M4DDOG
09-11-2007, 03:30 PM
i really hope that u are only curious!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
cause bro let be honest here, a magna is a family
spend 5k on the engine and u will still get beat by a stock r33 with a boost conroller:bowrofl:
Last time i checked a commodore/falcon v8 was a "family car", yet we still see them race in the supercars...

andrewd
09-11-2007, 03:48 PM
Last time i checked a commodore/falcon v8 was a "family car", yet we still see them race in the supercars...


an E class mercedes is a family car.... so the E55 is a variant of a family car too lol

pfft skyling with this and that are still the ghey lol with a couple of seroius mods they are good, but just with a few psi they just make more noise...

but do up a magna? nope find something with a better chassis 1st

the chassis rails on a magna are made from spaghetti!


Is your name Eric?

hahaha busted jap spec is just a cover see the profile TJ.... isnt that what Mag_EvoX had? lol

EZ Boy
09-11-2007, 08:16 PM
I'm trying to convince my Mrs that our next 'family' car should be a BWM M5 v10 :D :shifty:

Just need to scrape up $180,000.............

BJ31OS
09-11-2007, 08:19 PM
I'm trying to convince my Mrs that our next 'family' car should be a BWM M5 v10 :D :shifty:

Just need to scrape up $180,000.............




wouldnt mind one of those myself or even a BMW M3 would do

toocky
09-11-2007, 11:25 PM
I'm trying to convince my Mrs that our next 'family' car should be a BWM M5 v10 :D :shifty:

Just need to scrape up $180,000.............
tis a beautiful car always have loved the beamers

dads boss has one, very nice

EZ Boy
11-11-2007, 05:31 PM
tis a beautiful car always have loved the beamers

dads boss has one, very nice

Your Dad's boss have a business in Redhead by any chance?

Gas_Hed
11-11-2007, 06:10 PM
toocky is from townsville, so Id guess its a No regarding redhead lol

mmmmmm, redheads :)

Magna91
11-11-2007, 08:05 PM
Thought I might throw this gem in.

http://www.v8x.com.au/cms/A_30451/article.html

You've probably all seen it, but it's relevant to the thread. Apparently it was Avesco's decision to not take a risk with Japanese cars (although some suggest it was an appeal by Ford), if not for that we may have seen a couple of 3rd gens on the V8 supercar circuit.

Interesting none-the-less. :)

M4DDOG
11-11-2007, 08:40 PM
Thought I might throw this gem in.

http://www.v8x.com.au/cms/A_30451/article.html

You've probably all seen it, but it's relevant to the thread. Apparently it was Avesco's decision to not take a risk with Japanese cars (although some suggest it was an appeal by Ford), if not for that we may have seen a couple of 3rd gens on the V8 supercar circuit.

Interesting none-the-less. :)
Never seen that article before, fantastic read. Too bad nothing ever came of it :(.

wookiee
12-11-2007, 01:17 PM
seen that article before, but it was interesting back then too.

this quote


Stephen Kruk

Ford
"I think the V8 Supercar formula that is currently Ford and Holden has been voted by the customers as the preferred formula. I think it is very clear that it is the blue team playing the red team, those cars are very relevant to everybody and I think that is what captures the imagination and what captures the interest."

just proves how some people just don't get Touring Car championships at all. the V8s aren't relevant to ANYTHING. it's as relevant as NASCAR is to a Ford Fusion or Chevy Impala (the Chevy is the only one you can buy in V8 form). you CAN'T buy a car from Ford or Holden with that engine in it.

if you want a racing series relevant to the public, use cars the public can actually get!

anyway, IP is the only place you'll see a Magna competing.

cheers,
.wook

marty20
12-11-2007, 09:42 PM
here is some more pics not sure of any specs but look hot as

the white one has a 3.8l V6
best lap time is 1:21.87 @ Mallala Motorsport Park

the red cant get any info on it either

the black one has a 3.5l ralli spec
best laptime is 1: 21.7 @ Mallala Motorsport Park

cant get any info on the TW but looks to be going quiet fast

mjd26
13-11-2007, 09:16 AM
...
-coilovers or top notch shocks and springs
-chunky strut braces , sway bars and reo bars
-tuned camber, ride height, rebound
-well vented brakes, and big brakes at that

What sort of price would you estimate I would be looking at to fit halfway decent strut braces and or sway bars to my KF Verada.

Ive only just got it and it has been lowered slightly (by previous owner) but it still has that nasty boating sensation when cornering. Just looking at some way to stiffen up the roll and get a bit more stability out of it without spending an arm and a leg if possible.

Or; if any of the other options would provide better bang-for-buck handling improvement, I would be highly interested to know what is recommended.

Mine is by no stretch of the imagination a race-car, nor do I intend it to be. I just want to make sure that when I go for a hill run with my friends and their Skylines (etc) that I dont find my Verada trying to leap off the nearest cliff in a flurry of under-steer.

wookiee
13-11-2007, 09:27 AM
What sort of price would you estimate I would be looking at to fit halfway decent strut braces and or sway bars to my KF Verada.

Ive only just got it and it has been lowered slightly (by previous owner) but it still has that nasty boating sensation when cornering. Just looking at some way to stiffen up the roll and get a bit more stability out of it without spending an arm and a leg if possible.

Or; if any of the other options would provide better bang-for-buck handling improvement, I would be highly interested to know what is recommended.

Mine is by no stretch of the imagination a race-car, nor do I intend it to be. I just want to make sure that when I go for a hill run with my friends and their Skylines (etc) that I dont find my Verada trying to leap off the nearest cliff in a flurry of under-steer.

Whiteline do front and rear sway bars, and a front strut brace for your car.

the strut brace can be had for about $150, rear sway about $200, and front sway about $180 (I think... these are all from memory). you can order them from Phillcom Rally (possie@phillcomrally.com) who is a sponsor of these forums.

installing the rear sway and the strut brace is easy... should take you about an hour tops.

the front sway bar (probably the last of these mods you should look at), is a lot harder to install... I would recommend getting a suspension place to install it for you, unless you have an engine hoist and some serious time on your hands.

cheers,
.wook

mjd26
13-11-2007, 09:34 AM
Awesome advice; thankyou wook, it's greatly appreciated.

200kw_vn
13-11-2007, 11:37 AM
don't know if it's been mentioned at all but a few years ago (many) there was a gen 1 magna with a rwd 350 chev doing the drag circuts around australia
i can't find any info on it though

EZ Boy
28-12-2007, 09:02 PM
Oh yeah, Ross Dunkerton/Bill Hayes won the canberra leg of the Subaru National Rally on debut. Was his 100th win btw. There is also a car driven by Micheal Taylor/Lyndall Drake competing too.

Ralliart told me that Ross' car was bog stock apart from a 2.5" straight-thru system that could be heard coming 5km away, and aftermarket springs which died on day1 and the oem's where reinstalled lasting the remaining 2days of competition!

Bet my balls there was a strut brace under that hood and Ralliart cams....

TJ8A46
01-01-2008, 07:26 PM
That white TJ with the 3.8 380 motor is Ian from Mitsibits car, and the red TJ is his mate John, also a 3.8 380 motor, I sponsor John's red car, stilll waiting to do Ians :) I don't think you can see it, but my business sticker is on either side of the rear bumper- 'Lonsdale Car Detailers' They both are manual (obviously!) & have R32 GTR skyline wheels on them too, which I think suit a treat :)

Steve

Chisholm
01-01-2008, 08:17 PM
cant get any info on the TW but looks to be going quiet fast

That's the Eddys Wreckers car, I have spoken to their engineer/mechanic to some length, a few months ago. From memory their PB around Malalla is 1:20 flat.