What would be needed to single turbo a TJ?

I need to know everything from the intercooler to every little pipe included in the setup.

thanks in advance!

-Daniel

Oh crap... there's alot.

Programmable ECU
Exhaust Manifold
TURBO
Water and oil feed/return lines for turbo.
Intercooler and piping, mounting brackets
New dump pipe off turbo
Oil cooler and lines & brackets
Hose clamps, flex joints for intercooler piping.
Extra Volume Injectors, fuel pump, Variable rising rate fuel pressure regulator!
Tuning......
I think that covers most of it.
And thats not going into strengthening the internals of the engine.

is it possible to keep the car N/A but still get a big power figure?

Probably cost you more in development for half the reward. WHY?:nuts:

is it possible to keep the car N/A but still get a big power figure?

No...

No...
yes...

If you have $15,000 ready to blow, then you might get some pig power. Thats what its cost me and im not tuned yet so cant prove numbers

yes...

Maybe...

A TJ
and if you are going to build it yourself, what the hell are you doing asking?.


Thank you lol

A TJ
A turbo
an intercooler
a boost controller
a programable ECU capable of controlling fuel and ignition (at the very very least)
a larger fuel pump
larger fuel injectors (probably requiring modification to the fuel rail to make them fit)
****loads of custom exhaust and intake piping, oil feed and return lines

**** this.... the list goes on and on....... unless you're going to build it all yourself, you don't need to know "every little pipe included in the setup", and if you are going to build it yourself, what the hell are you doing asking?



That entirely depends on your definition of "a big power figure".


I'm only trying to learn how all this works so if you dont want to be posative and help then dont post crap like that in my thread.

yes...
:stoopid:

I'm only trying to learn how all this works so if you dont want to be posative and help then dont post crap like that in my thread.

fair enough.........

You don't need a boost controller if you're running a full replacement ECU.

Maybe...
perhaps...

if you've got the money to spend, do it, why not.. i'm upto over 10k on mine already, i'm happy with it when it runs right, but be preparied to run into problems..
at the end of the day, if your happy with what you've spent and what benifits it has, it's money well spent

What i posted first is what you need.... The only minor detals are nut and bolt numbers, hose lengths and thread sizes. i cant tell you what pipes are needed as they all need to be made!

And the easiest way to learn is to pick up a book... you cant just get any parts and bolt them together, there's more to just bolting on a turbo.

You wont have big power on a stock engine, it will blow up. You'll have as much as 7psi will allow and sometimes not even that lol.

You want big power, strip the engine down. forged pistons, forged conrods, balanced and blueprinted, ARP studs and head bolts, ported and polished heads, custom grind cams, 10psi+

And prey that your gearbox holds.

And dont knock black beard, he's the only regular person on here who has the guts to do a Twin turbo conversion (finished one that is) so I'd be taking his info gratefully noob

NA mods have worked well for some people on these forums

cthulu was putting out over 200kw NA from what i remember.

cost will end up being about the same as any single/twin turbo/supercharger setup

and the engine is nice and strong already, so u dont need to worry about that!

it is trickier tho, u need the right parts, all custom made, need to know places and people and what you're doing

And dont knock black beard, he's the only regular person on here who has the guts to do a Twin turbo conversion (finished one that is) so I'd be taking his info gratefully noob

Cheers mate, but not entirely true. There was another bloke whose TJ was TT'd by RPW before mine, and another bloke who TT'd a 3.0L 3rd gen in Canberra before that. The guy in canberra returned the car to stock before selling it, the other bloke pretty much stopped posting on here after people bagged him out for spending "that much" money on a Magna.

and FYI, the OP and I are cool :cool:

is it possible to keep the car N/A but still get a big power figure?

Yeah i bet you could get in the range of 250-300kw, but the car would be so ugly to drive, high stall converter .... Huge cams dont do a road car any favours around town @ idle speeds.

What can a 3.5 be stroked out to? 4ltr? 4.3ltr?

Yeah i bet you could get in the range of 250-300kw, but the car would be so ugly to drive, high stall converter .... Huge cams dont do a road car any favours around town @ idle speeds.

What can a 3.5 be stroked out to? 4ltr? 4.3ltr?
id say 4L would be pushing it.
3.0L SOHC guys in the US (2nd gen motors) have bored em out to 3.3L
But im sure thats as far as they went

Surely with a custom crank, rods and pistons? you could get a longer throw, and with the extra bore size? i reckon atleast 4.2ltr from 3.5ltr...???

Yeah i bet you could get in the range of 250-300kw, but the car would be so ugly to drive, high stall converter .... Huge cams dont do a road car any favours around town @ idle speeds.

What can a 3.5 be stroked out to? 4ltr? 4.3ltr?


Well considering the wall thickness of the 380 engine is as thin as you'd want it I'd say not so much more than thn 3.8. If I had the inclination I'd through a manual 380 crank into my car now it's being rebuilt, but I cant be ****ed testing the waters anymore. Forged rods and oversize forged pistons will have to suffice, mine'll be about 3.6lt

But this bloke has money to spend.... let me go shoppin, i'm sure we can cut 2cyl of like a 454.....:badgrin: :bowrofl:

But this bloke has money to spend.... let me go shoppin, i'm sure we can cut 2cyl of like a 454.....:badgrin: :bowrofl:


Tell him to get another car :badgrin:

I'm sorry but i have to ask..Is this the TJ in question?
http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=52709

Well considering the wall thickness of the 380 engine is as thin as you'd want it I'd say not so much more than thn 3.8. If I had the inclination I'd through a manual 380 crank into my car now it's being rebuilt, but I cant be ****ed testing the waters anymore. Forged rods and oversize forged pistons will have to suffice, mine'll be about 3.6lt


nah wont be 3.6L

i did the calculations and with max over bore you going to see just over 3500cc's 3.5L cos its

with forced induction and HUGE hp you dont need overbores etc... many high hp forced motors are sleeved down or de stroked, you need rigidity and less heat transfer, something you dont get in a thin walled block

nah wont be 3.6L

i did the calculations and with max over bore you going to see just over 3500cc's 3.5L cos its

with forced induction and HUGE hp you dont need overbores etc... many high hp forced motors are sleeved down or de stroked, you need rigidity and less heat transfer, something you dont get in a thin walled block


I need to bore my block out a fair bit due to damage, not quite a 380 bore bout half, 40thou or 1mm. The extra 2mm bore on the 380 is about 100cc, the other 200cc is from the crankshaft.

Yeah i bet you could get in the range of 250-300kw, but the car would be so ugly to drive, high stall converter .... Huge cams dont do a road car any favours around town @ idle speeds.

What can a 3.5 be stroked out to? 4ltr? 4.3ltr?

IF it was manual it won't be so bad. Jason on here built an NA 3.5 that was putting out about 240kW at the wheels and apperenttly he was making the same power at 2000rpm as a stock engine, so it would still have been fairlly streetable.

You don't need a boost controller if you're running a full replacement ECU.
that depends on what ecu he was to run. not all have built in map sensors and boost controllers.

that depends on what ecu he was to run. not all have built in map sensors and boost controllers.

usually an accessory. I have one but my cars tuned to my TPS (mc-dodge)

He want's N/A... SO cubic inches is the way to go, Long stroke and get some torque to do the work.... unless RPM is on the cards.... then you want the shorter stroke than bore but drivability suffers cause you need the RPM to come onto the cam power band.
Take your pic.:D

wow, how un-necessary to delete blackbeards post with all teh info in it. If that little line offended someone, maybe edit it, rather an deleting it?

wow, how un-necessary to delete blackbeards post with all teh info in it. If that little line offended someone, maybe edit it, rather an deleting it?

meh (http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showpost.php?p=786000&postcount=10) ;)

wow, how un-necessary to delete blackbeards post with all teh info in it. If that little line offended someone, maybe edit it, rather an deleting it?


You might find he did it him self

wow, how un-necessary to delete blackbeards post with all teh info in it. If that little line offended someone, maybe edit it, rather an deleting it?

I deleted it actually. I usually try not to be sarcastic etc when I post on the forums these days, but that post slipped out. I actually had every intention of being helpful when I started typing then lost interest (as you may have guessed).

I don't mind helping people who have done a bit of research into the topic, but it seems like some people start threads on certain topics which they obviously haven't even done the most basic research into, just to attract attention.


*edit* lol - beat me to it sports :cool:

:redface:

I deleted it actually. I usually try not to be sarcastic etc when I post on the forums these days, but that post slipped out. I actually had every intention of being helpful when I started typing then lost interest (as you may have guessed).

I don't mind helping people who have done a bit of research into the topic, but it seems like some people start threads on certain topics which they obviously haven't even done the most basic research into, just to attract attention.


*edit* lol - beat me to it sports :cool:


GOLD!!!! I'm a champion lol