here is an opportunity to upgrade/replace your brake rotors.

until now there have not been any aftermarket replacement rear brake disks for the TJ Ralliart. the only option was to get genuine Mitsu parts, at over $350 EACH!!

we have a chance to get a group order for 25 pairs in, and DBA will do a run of rear brake disks for the Ralliarts in a 4000 series (link (http://www.dba.com.au/2006/products_4000.asp)) which are suitable for all your driving needs (from stop/start city driving to motorsport). the group buy for the front rotors will be available at 10 or more orders.

the price for these disks will be:

$140 for standard finish,
$160 for 6x6 wiper slot, and
$180 for Gold XS (cross drilled)

each, plus shipping (from VIC, pickup is an option).

so for less than the price of one genuine Mitsu rotor, you can upgrade your front and/or rear disks to these top quality DBA rotors.

Q: but what if I don't have a Ralliart? can I get these anyway?

A: yes. actually, it's the main reason this group buy came about. if you own a FWD 3rd Gen Magna, you can upgrade your current brake setup quite easily. all you need is a set of AWD or Ralliart front or rear calipers (available from many wreckers all over the country), and these disks will fit your car with no other modification needed. I found AWD calipers to be more available than Ralliart (and probably cheaper too, I paid about $300), however they are EXACTLY the same part.

Q: how can I get them?

A: follow this link (http://aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53697) and post a reply. once we get enough to place the order, it will be 6 to 8 weeks for DBA to make the batch of disks, so there's plenty of time to save up. :D

Q: when do I pay?

A: you don't have to pay until the order comes in. however, if you would like to pay a deposit, PM me and I'll send you the details.

if you have any questions, reply either here or in the Group Buy thread and I'll do my best to answer them.

cheers,
.wook

Q: What about us AWD owners, is there a product for us? can we get in on the deal but get 4000 series rear rotors to suit the awd?

A:????

Q: What about us AWD owners, is there a product for us? can we get in on the deal but get 4000 series rear rotors to suit the awd?

A:????

dude, they already make rotors for the AWD. I can get a price for you, but so can you.

part numbers are:

DBA 417 (front, same as Ralliart)
DBA 429 (rear)

for the 4000 series, add a 4 in front (i.e. 4417 and 4429).

I can probably get the rears for about $160...

cheers,
.wook

dude, they already make rotors for the AWD. I can get a price for you, but so can you.

part numbers are:

DBA 417 (front, same as Ralliart)
DBA 429 (rear)

for the 4000 series, add a 4 in front (i.e. 4417 and 4429).

I can probably get the rears for about $160...

cheers,
.wook

kthxbye! :D

im an idiot then lol

carry on :P

I dont have the part numbers.. but they also make them for the FWD version as well.

I have slots all round on my TW.. just bought them over the counter at the autoparts shop.

these are NOT standard size disks. these are Ralliart size disks, which have only been available from Mitsu previously.

DBA make the standard FWD rotors (i.e. 276 x 24mm fronts, 258 x 10.5 rear), not the Ralliart rear ones (284 x 20mm).

Dude, you know rear brakes do like 15% braking and don't do sweet stuff all of anything for braking performance.

Dude, you know rear brakes do like 15% braking and don't do sweet stuff all of anything for braking performance.

Unless you have EBD or some sort of modification do the break system to shift the breaking to the back upgrading the rear disks on a standard car would be almost pointless wouldn't it?
My car has EBD and my rear pads are still at 40 percent where as i just had to get heat damage machined out of my front disks.
I'm no race car driver but i do twisties cos i'm bored... and if my rears are still fine... you know where i'm going with this.

I realise the rear brakes do very little compared to the fronts, but every little bit helps.

If you've already upgraded the fronts (either on a Ralliart or a standard FWD) there is pretty much no real "bolt on" option to upgrade the rears. There have been many, many threads about upgrading rear brakes and the lack of options available.

Ralliart owners should be jumping on these if only for the price compared to OEM disks.

And as for the performance improvement, anything has to be better than the cd-sized rear brakes that are standard.

One might ask why you guys care anyway, seeing as neither of you drive magnas anymore :nuts:

:blah:

Difference in braking performance or not....... magna rear brakes look ghey as. Ralliart spec rear brakes look slightly less ghey. That alone is worth $320 to me. :P

I still drive a magna thankyou. :nuts:

I was just pointing out what needed to be said. If people still wanna buy the rears after knowing that, then that's fine. Nothing wrong with cosmetic upgrades.

I still drive a magna, Wookie.
I know this is great for Ralliart owners but im just wondering the feasibility for fwd owners.

if there's no performance increase by rear brake upgrades, then swap me your Brembos off your EVO for my standard Magna rears...

oh, that's right, there IS a performance increase. just because it's small, doesn't mean it's not there. this is not a purely cosmetic upgrade.

anyway, whatever... doesn't look like we'll be getting anywhere near the 25 orders required.

:shrug:

Unless you have EBD or some sort of modification do the break system to shift the breaking to the back upgrading the rear disks on a standard car would be almost pointless wouldn't it?
My car has EBD and my rear pads are still at 40 percent where as i just had to get heat damage machined out of my front disks.
I'm no race car driver but i do twisties cos i'm bored... and if my rears are still fine... you know where i'm going with this.
I've had a full car load with ralliart/awd brakes on the front and the standard brakes on the rear on a FWD VRX and given it a huge hit on the brakes from about 200km/h just to see how it pulled up. When I had a look at all the discs they were all blue and purple with the intense heat generated. The back ones were working overtime as well as the front! I've had rear ralliart /awd calipers sitting in my shed for some time now waiting for a run of these discs.
All I'm saying, as is Wookiee, every little bit helps and especially for 3rd gen fwd magnas, the rear dodgey standard solid discs of 258mm X 10.5mm thick can become 284mm X 20mm thick vented discs very easily if we can enough people for a group order.

if there's no performance increase by rear brake upgrades, then swap me your Brembos off your EVO for my standard Magna rears...

oh, that's right, there IS a performance increase. just because it's small, doesn't mean it's not there. this is not a purely cosmetic upgrade.

anyway, whatever... doesn't look like we'll be getting anywhere near the 25 orders required.

:shrug:
I wouldn't want my Brembos on such an inferior vehicle. :P You can buy a set yourself for under $1k. :D

I wouldn't want my Brembos on such an inferior vehicle. :P You can buy a set yourself for under $1k. :D
:gtfo:

Why would I when I already have as good front brakes?

And if it seems like I'm grumpy, I am. I'm sick tired of people complaining about crap, and then, when someone tries to do something about it, bitching about that.

There have to be at least 30 Ralliart owners on here, and at least 10 other people who have mentioned in other threads that they would be interested in these rear rotors, yet only 6 of us have shown interest. :nuts: I just don't get it. :confused:

.Wook

Sorry Wook,
I wasn't trying to cut up your group buy, i was trying to ask what the benefits would be and it came off a bit aggressive.

I still drive a magna thankyou. :nuts:



Who said you didn't???
:confused:

Who said you didn't???
:confused:

One might ask why you guys care anyway, seeing as neither of you drive magnas anymore

:roll:

Anyway, I'm not trying to cut you down wookiee, I just think people need to know what they're in for.

:roll:

Anyway, I'm not trying to cut you down wookiee, I just think people need to know what they're in for.

lol No one else reads all the info in a thread before posting...... so why should I??

if there's no performance increase by rear brake upgrades, then swap me your Brembos off your EVO for my standard Magna rears...

but the evo is AWD, so can switch braking and have like 40% braking power in the back when it needs it...

unlike the magna :doubt:

Just on the whole performance side of this, i have a standard FWD when it comes to brakes. Would just upgrading the rears be bad for me? Would this cause an unhealthy balance and possibly cause issues (like spinning out or something) under hard braking?

why would you spend the money upgrading the rears first? theres the real question ;)

why would you spend the money upgrading the rears first? theres the real question ;)

You wouldn't. But this thread is about an opportunity to buy something you cant easily get anyway for the price offered. So you buy the rear now, buy the front also either now or later. And when you have both front and rear, then you can install the lot. Its not about upgrading the rears only, only the opportunity if someone has a long term plan of upgrading front and rear. I agree that this upgrade is more appealing to Ralliart owners as they can put them to use straight away. For me it will require upgrade at every corner, and I don't have a long term plan to do this now with some many bills.

Question I have, if MMAL upgraded both the front and rear brakes on the Ralliart, then it does make sense to do the same on a FWD if you want the brake improvement.

I don't think your car needs new brakes Spackbace, seems to me it stops all too well already from what I here. Hope its all coming good for you.

I don't think your car needs new brakes Spackbace, seems to me it stops all too well already from what I here. Hope its all coming good for you.

awwww fanks :redface:

but the evo is AWD, so can switch braking and have like 40% braking power in the back when it needs it...

unlike the magna :doubt:

Most (if not all) 3rd gens have electronic brake force distribution.:P

Just on the whole performance side of this, i have a standard FWD when it comes to brakes. Would just upgrading the rears be bad for me? Would this cause an unhealthy balance and possibly cause issues (like spinning out or something) under hard braking?
there isn't any real benefit of upgrading the rears before or instead of upgrading the fronts, however, there shouldn't be any adverse affect. you just won't get anywhere near as much improvement as you would if you did the fronts.


Question I have, if MMAL upgraded both the front and rear brakes on the Ralliart, then it does make sense to do the same on a FWD if you want the brake improvement.

my answer would be yes, but I might be biased. like others have said, the amount of braking provided under normal conditions by the rears is minimal, so if you're only going to upgrade one, do the fronts. but if you're planning a full brake upgrade (or you regularly tow, or take your car to the track), you should do both. there are benefits to upgrading the rear brakes.

cheers,
.wook

IMO the benefit of upgrading the rears won't be anywhere near what you get dong the fronts, but it still helps, especially if you like to hit the track or fang it hard in some hills. Plus the factory non-ralliart brakes look so weedy.


but the evo is AWD, so can switch braking and have like 40% braking power in the back when it needs it...

unlike the magna :doubt:

What has AWD got to do with front-rear braking bias? Sure there's the fairly insignificant difference of having compression braking on 4 wheels instead of 2...

What has AWD got to do with front-rear braking bias? Sure there's the fairly insignificant difference of having compression braking on 4 wheels instead of 2...

More weight in the rear, therefore centre of gravity is further back, therefore increased stopping power at the rear wheels might be more beneficial.

That's the only reason I can think there would be a difference between FWD and AWD, and don't quote me on that... cause I just made it up.

I think Spackbace got a bit confused with the AYC and ACD. His point does hold some merit tho because in very tight situations (One I particularly remember) the EVO can be one wheel drive, so if that wheel was a rear one then the braking force onto that rear wheel would need to be very good and strong because it's the only wheel driving the car.

I think Spackbace got a bit confused with the AYC and ACD. His point does hold some merit tho because in very tight situations (One I particularly remember) the EVO can be one wheel drive, so if that wheel was a rear one then the braking force onto that rear wheel would need to be very good and strong because it's the only wheel driving the car.

i had a point somewhere :P

I think Spackbace got a bit confused with the AYC and ACD. His point does hold some merit tho because in very tight situations (One I particularly remember) the EVO can be one wheel drive, so if that wheel was a rear one then the braking force onto that rear wheel would need to be very good and strong because it's the only wheel driving the car.

None of that relates to the AWD Magnas though:D . The only difference from the Ralliart Magna was a recalibrated ABS system for the AWDs.

None of that relates to the AWD Magnas though:D . The only difference from the Ralliart Magna was a recalibrated ABS system for the AWDs.
I know it has nothing to do with AWD Magnas because I was referring to what Spackbace was referring to which wasn't referring to AWD Magnas which is what the thread is referring to which is no longer referred to and is off topic completely. lol

UPDATE

just got off the phone...

we can do the following:

Fronts (DBA 4417) Group Buy (10 or more orders!)
4000 Series
Standard finish: $140 each
6x6 Wiper Slot: $160 each
Gold XS: $180 each

5000 Series
waiting to hear back from DBA on whether or not they'll do the 5417 (fit EVO IV and Ralliart Magna). I'll post here with the response.

Rears DBA 42429 (still need 25 orders!)
4000 Series
Standard finish: $140 each
6x6 Wiper Slot: $160 each
Gold XS: $180 each

apparently DBA do a casting run, then have the rotors finished, so we can get any available finish in the 4000 series.

all prices are + shipping (or pickup in VIC).

I will update the first post.

cheers,
.wook

for anyone interested, I put some 284x20mm rear rotors on this weekend.

the only tough part was the dust shield was a bit tight around both the rotor (easily fixed with a bit of judicious angle grinding lol ), and the caliper (needed to be bent in a smidge).

the improvement in braking is more than just noticeable. the car pulls up a bit harder under normal braking, and I expect large improvements on the track.

I'll take some pics this weekend and post them up.

for anyone planning the AWD/Ralliart rear brake upgrade, ask for the brake hoses when you get your calipers, as the standard FWD rear calipers have different hoses and connections.

cheers,
.wook

:bump:

Got 4 orders for the fronts and 10 for the rears.

Need another 6 and 15 orders before we can do this.

Tell your friends!

The fronts will fit AWD/Ralliart with no mods, and FWD with AWD/Ralliart calipers.

Cheers,
.Wook

Add me for the rear Ralliart. Come on 14 more people.

Put me down for the front and the rear.
6x6 Wiper Slot: $160 each =$320
If i was to get the braided lines what would
the cost be?
Not including shipping i know that it depends on the weight.

Put me down for the front and the rear.
6x6 Wiper Slot: $160 each =$320
If i was to get the braided lines what would
the cost be?
Not including shipping i know that it depends on the weight.

actually, it'll be $320 for the fronts and $320 for the rears ($640 total, $160 each, need two rotors per axle). if that's OK, let me know and I'll put you down. shipping should be about $20, 3 day delivery.

my brake guy can get braided lines for $75 each (again, you need two per axle, so all four would be $300). I will ask him how many orders he needs to drop the price a bit.

cheers,
.wook

my brake guy can get braided lines for $75 each (again, you need two per axle, so all four would be $300). I will ask him how many orders he needs to drop the price a bit.

cheers,
.wook

The rotors sound good for $640.
I put down $320 but i ment to put $640:redface:
Mite skip on the braided lines and do them down the track.

Bentattoo.

The rotors sound good for $640.
I put down $320 but i ment to put $640:redface:
Mite skip on the braided lines and do them down the track.

Bentattoo.

done!

4 more for the fronts and 12 more for the rears...

getting there.

cheers,
.wook

:bump:

anyone got any extra cash left over from xmas that they would like to spend on a brake upgrade?

cheers,
.wook

sign me up for a set of dba4000's for the rear in the 6x6 design plz. Im sick of looking at the very small rear rotors hehe. And ill take braided lines as well with that now just to track down some awd rear rotors :cool:

sign me up for a set of dba4000's for the rear in the 6x6 design plz. Im sick of looking at the very small rear rotors hehe. And ill take braided lines as well with that now just to track down some awd rear rotors :cool:

you mean awd rear calipers, don't you?

you're on the list.

cheers,
.wook

...given it a huge hit on the brakes from about 200km/h just to see how it pulled up. ...


:shock:

hey wook, sorry mate i dont need these discs anymore so you'll have to take me off the list.

hey wook, sorry mate i dont need these discs anymore so you'll have to take me off the list.
bah, you're off my chrissy card list!

.wook

you mean awd rear calipers, don't you?

you're on the list.

cheers,
.wook

yes i did thanks for catching my typo hehe

Still Going ahead with the group buy?

I need one set of rears.

Regards,
Alex

i hope it still goes ahead the stock rears on the TH look tiny compared to the 380 brakes i have on the front

put me down for the Gold XS front and rear thanx wook

currently 2 orders away from getting the fronts, and 9 away from the rears...

maybe by MM08 we can have these ordered?

cheers,
.wook

could anyone tell me if the front twin piston calipers off a diamante would be the same as the aussie one`s,and also has anyone got a pic of ralliart/AWD rear calipers they could post up,the reason i ask is i may of found a company that can supply reco front calipers for about $165 and rear about $150 plus delivery

could anyone tell me if the front twin piston calipers off a diamante would be the same as the aussie one`s,and also has anyone got a pic of ralliart/AWD rear calipers they could post up,the reason i ask is i may of found a company that can supply reco front calipers for about $165 and rear about $150 plus delivery

diamante ones should be the same as the aus spec eqivs and if you do come through with this company be sure to let us know cos that is very dirt cheap considering just the caliper pistons themselves are 100 odd each cost price from PBR

will do,i`ve sent them an email asking if they ship to oz so just waiting to hear back from them

UPDATE:
I have updated the original post with the braided lines (discounted to $50 each/$100 per axle) and the payment method.

I will be collecting the money for this and making the final payment. I will need 50% of your order total BEFORE the order is placed. I will PM each of you with your order as I have it (several of you need to update the finish of the rotors) and my bank details.

my supplier has agreed to keep 2 or 3 pairs of the rears (DBA 42429) as stock, so we may have enough RIGHT NOW to order this...

if you are listed as a maybe (wastedhello, moparcm ralliart) PLEASE let me know if you want to go ahead.

there's probably at least a couple of weeks left to get in on this order, so if you're interested get in quick.

cheers,
.wook

Hey Wook, is this still ongoing??....put me down for a set of DBA 417's (AWD 294mm fronts)

I doubt it check out the date of the last post on the subject, but who knows you might get lucky.

Yup, four year old thread, nothing to see here, move along :P