has anyone tried trance plating a 4g63 vr4 engine in a TR before and if it is possible does anyone have any advice

Yeah it's been done. Sogg did it to a first gen wagon, but he doesn't come on that often anymore. There are others that I can't think of off the top of my head.

The engine mount needs to be modified slightly, and there's usually a problem of finding a suitable gearbox

Trance plating?
PRetty sure its been done to a 1st gen before - refer Sogg

There's a TR wagon with 4G63B (turbo) on eBay at the moment for $4K. There was another one just a week or two ago (also a wagon) but I think it had not been quite finished off.

Think the one a few weeks ago was a 4G54 that had been turbocharged. The other one is a 4G63T conversion.

There's a TR wagon with 4G63B (turbo) on eBay at the moment for $4K. There was another one just a week or two ago (also a wagon) but I think it had not been quite finished off.
Yeah, in Rockhampton... It's a 4G63T wagon, manual... Not a bad buy, pity it's a wagon though.

i was looking at doing this conversion was told it was a waste of time and money but it would give me a world of performance over the 2.6 ashtron so i couldnt understand why i was told it was stupid.

would you be able to use the VR4 4WD box and just modify it i think making the Engine RWD they use a Starion Box looks right at home in a sigma and goes great.

i reckin if your doing the work yourself and labour is costing u nothing and u can modify the stuff like fabrication and stuff go for it mate.

because wen i checked things the TR magna Sedan was slighty lighter then the VR4 Galant so im thinking better performance.

i was looking at doing this conversion was told it was a waste of time and money but it would give me a world of performance over the 2.6 ashtron so i couldnt understand why i was told it was stupid.

would you be able to use the VR4 4WD box and just modify it i think making the Engine RWD they use a Starion Box looks right at home in a sigma and goes great.

i reckin if your doing the work yourself and labour is costing u nothing and u can modify the stuff like fabrication and stuff go for it mate.

because wen i checked things the TR magna Sedan was slighty lighter then the VR4 Galant so im thinking better performance.
The problem with the VR4 box, is it apparently dies in FWD mode only. Just what I've heard on the grapevine. (TN sedans are lighter still...)

yer i dunno bout the gbox strength but im betting you could mod it to make it FWD ive heard of someone doing it to a RB26 box aswell removing the transfer case and welding a plate over it like was a lil more then that but u get the pic.

cant see why a standard NA Galant GSR box wouldnt fit the 4G63T i really think it would be a great transplant.

Like look at it this way if you had a 4CYL TR ASHTRAY lol 2.6 going to a 4G63T is a step in the right direction if you ask me big power up.

Like i was told to turbo the 2.6LT but like after you spend $5000 for an engine rebuild and then you need all the acessories on top of that.

There is no way the 2.6 could out flow the 2.0 am i right a single cammer is going to be no where near more economic at making power to fuel and also idle sweet like a twin cam.

i just wish there was some sort of twin cam head for the 2.6LT

aftermarket parts for the 4G63T is everywhere.

I think the 2.6LT capacity is the only fraw back but still the 4G63T would be so much more reliable if it isnt hammered put it in put a zaust and decent cooler and filter and an ECU and you should have a sweet little TR rocket.

But those are my thoughts anyways.

ever seen a 4G63T in a sigma looks right at home i tell ya.

ive heard of someone doing it to a RB26 box aswell removing the transfer case and welding a plate over it like was a lil more then that but u get the pic.

I really cant see it working. The physical size of it would still be pretty big and then add the size of the engine.

I really cant see it working. The physical size of it would still be pretty big and then add the size of the engine.

lol i dont think he meant in a magna

I can't see why you'd waste 10K on a RB26 and THEN pay for the install when you can get a 150kw standard 4G63 and install it into a magna and be driving already?

I've thought of this conversion for the 2nd gen 4cyl crew but I thought it had to be mentioned before.. It's supposed to be pretty "bolt in" to the 1st gens, so the second gens, why not? Add some early evo fruit and you'd have a contender on your hands.. Who said V6 will always be quicker?

After talking with the aforementioned Sogg about his gearboxes back when my wallet was contemplating this conversion on my TP GT he blew the 2wd converted VR4 box but the standard magna box was holding up after a few months so there might be light at the end of that tunnel, perhaps the key is mature driving and only very lightly modding the 63 you're going to put in (although a deleted MAS, higher-flow FMIC [factory one is decent], good dump & exhaust & tune is supposed to net minimum 200kw ATF for the 63's).. Keep it stock or a fmic that fits the front bar and a fullyhektik 42" exhaust you'd have a quick car but hopefully mild enough not to start costing gearboxes... or perhaps graft a FM33 3L magna/GTO box on?

Get to it!

Man there was no way i was talking about putting an RB26 into a magna it was an example of how they mod 4WD gearboxes lol

wen i say 2.6 i mean the astron engine..

But yesh mature driving good clutch maybe a lol slippage in there you would have to see what type of boxes are available for a 4G63T.

Pretty bolt in sounds good to me someone give it ago.

Man there was no way i was talking about putting an RB26 into a magna it was an example of how they mod 4WD gearboxes lol

wen i say 2.6 i mean the astron engine..

But yesh mature driving good clutch maybe a lol slippage in there you would have to see what type of boxes are available for a 4G63T.

Pretty bolt in sounds good to me someone give it ago.

Be a trend setter.

2WD GSR Galant boxes would work but I have no idea about installation or the abaility to deep throat power.. And new HD clutch is a must.

'Bolt in', you do need a hybrid clutch if you're going a different box as the magna clutch wont work with the VR4 flywheel.

yer thats is tru a clutch and fly wheel combonation would be a must.

Yer i dunno about Gboxes taking power either.

yer thats is tru a clutch and fly wheel combonation would be a must.

Yer i dunno about Gboxes taking power either.

yeah just dont go nuts on a heavy duty clutch make it an easy going (still hd) one and just make sure you get the flywheel machined... thats why mine is ****ed.

Yer as i said maybe a little slippage in the clutch to give the Drives shafts and diff a break you know what i mean.

Unless there is some sort of LSD available?

what about a standard Cordia Turbo box???how would that go?

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/4126/tranceplantwt3.jpg

got trance-plant?

Yer as i said maybe a little slippage in the clutch to give the Drives shafts and diff a break you know what i mean.

Unless there is some sort of LSD available?

what about a standard Cordia Turbo box???how would that go?
The Cordia Turbo box doesn't even stand up to a normal Astron motor's torque, yet alone anything more powerful.

(They used it in the 5-speed TM Magna)

NAH JUST A THOUGHT GUYS

gotta be somthin out there.

what Gbox do they use in the Cordias when the do a VR4 conversion?

Probably a magna box haha.

I'd put my money on a Galant box, that way the ratios are kept with the same type of motor too.. Just get the **** frozen (cryo'd), it'd be tough as then.. After all there's no point in spending 15 grand on the whole conversion and a couple of gear boxes when you can get one cryo'd and spend 10K first up.

Probably a magna box haha.
Yep, they use the TP Magna box. It's still better than the VR4 box, unless you're converting to AWD

someone said the VR4 box in FWD mode gets wasted easy?

But wouldnt there be more stress on the box in 4WD mode then there would be in FWD?

someone said the VR4 box in FWD mode gets wasted easy?

But wouldnt there be more stress on the box in 4WD mode then there would be in FWD?

Maybe certain parts ware out faster in FWD mode because all the stress it at the front now. I don't know just guessing.

Yer i know what your saying gemini but from my exprience with 4WD/FWD turbo cars like TX3's the FWD can take a fair bit more hammering then the 4WD box both boxes give in pretty easy but the FWD seems to last longer.

i was told you dump a FWD Gbox at say 4000-5000rpm ok now if the clutch dosnet slip all that power is transfered to the Gearbox then the Diff CV's and then wheels now the only 2 things that can slip is Clutch and wheels/Tires still everything like CV's and Diff and that can give way but it isnt Gbox then.

Now a 4WD once you dump that clutch at 5000rpm your going to get stuff all wheel spin so the only other chance its got to get alil pressure off it is the Clutch slipping and if that dosnet slip well then your lil
4WD gearbox is taking that 1090kg or more car on its own back and inturn probley blow the diff out.

So really there both just as bad but i think as a FWD it would last alot longer

yea the tp magna box is suposed to be one of the strongest out there and it sorted buy alot of the american starion boys. and they have been know to get some crazy hp figures out of the sohc astron . Something in the leauge of 400 hp and im pretty sure thats N\A where as the turbo fanatics it's more in the 600 hp range. but still these blocks were designed for deisel applications which means there needed to handle the high compresion and there fore are good for boosting.2.6 is a underated engine and the yanks have done some pretty wild stuff with em.
hit google and do a search around the starion sites so insane work done over there.
my useless ramble for the day:D

yea the tp magna box is suposed to be one of the strongest out there and it sorted buy alot of the american starion boys. and they have been know to get some crazy hp figures out of the sohc astron . Something in the leauge of 400 hp and im pretty sure thats N\A where as the turbo fanatics it's more in the 600 hp range. but still these blocks were designed for deisel applications which means there needed to handle the high compresion and there fore are good for boosting.2.6 is a underated engine and the yanks have done some pretty wild stuff with em.
hit google and do a search around the starion sites so insane work done over there.
my useless ramble for the day:D
No, the heads and EFI manifold is sought after by the Starion boys, the gearbox is useless to them, as they're RWD. The engine can take up to about 32pounds of boost, on strengthened internals, so it's a good lil' motor

opps didn't write it properly. I meant in sogg's case fwd the magna box seemed to be the best option/ or do the best atleast. where as trying to point out the the yanks have been able to get good power out of the astron so why go with the transplant he was asking about if the astron could be boosted as well. jesh maybe i should stay off the turps. (seeing as it's not possible for them to use the fwd magna box. aren't the starions awd?) was looking for tp parts at wreckers on a road trip and saw a complete starion siting up the back of a small town wreckers with only the windows gone and drooled over it a bit. wish i had money to buy it would have been a good project especially seeing as the engine bay hadn't been touched so all the turbo gear was there.

opps didn't write it properly. I meant in sogg's case fwd the magna box seemed to be the best option/ or do the best atleast. where as trying to point out the the yanks have been able to get good power out of the astron so why go with the transplant he was asking about if the astron could be boosted as well. jesh maybe i should stay off the turps. (seeing as it's not possible for them to use the fwd magna box. aren't the starions awd?) was looking for tp parts at wreckers on a road trip and saw a complete starion siting up the back of a small town wreckers with only the windows gone and drooled over it a bit. wish i had money to buy it would have been a good project especially seeing as the engine bay hadn't been touched so all the turbo gear was there.
ADM Starions were a SOHC 4G63, only the USDM, and I think some JDM cars were the 2.6 Astron. They're good cars, true. Another which I'd try and pick up for a project car is a Sigma Scorpion

Yer i seen a few Scorpions around not bad looking more like a 2 door sigma.
So the Starion had a SOHC 4G63T would the twin cam head sit str8 on just a thought lol

So a TP magna Box and a VR4 twincam 4G63T into a TR magna would be a good result in the end.

i know the 2.6L would be good to boost but to me it would be useless without a $5000 rebuild to start things off and thats just the block.

Not to mention all the other acessories like turbos and so on as it would all have to be custom where if i got the 4G63T its basically got all the accesories like turbo and stuff ready to go.

a turbo 2.6LT would be great thought no doubt.

If i had about $10-15Gz it would be sweet.

Yer i seen a few Scorpions around not bad looking more like a 2 door sigma.
So the Starion had a SOHC 4G63T would the twin cam head sit str8 on just a thought lol

So a TP magna Box and a VR4 twincam 4G63T into a TR magna would be a good result in the end.

i know the 2.6L would be good to boost but to me it would be useless without a $5000 rebuild to start things off and thats just the block.

Not to mention all the other acessories like turbos and so on as it would all have to be custom where if i got the 4G63T its basically got all the accesories like turbo and stuff ready to go.

a turbo 2.6LT would be great thought no doubt.

If i had about $10-15Gz it would be sweet.
No, head will not bolt on, this has been discussed before.

If you had $10,000 - $15,000 why the **** would you be spending it on a magna/scorpion? :nuts:

Well thats the point isnt it mate.....like people saying a Turboed 2.6LT will be alot better then a VR4 4G63T...and all i was comtemplating was that it would probley cost me more to get a big rebuilt powered 2.6LT in the TR then it would a standard VR4 4G63T.

But yesh $15,000 is alot on any car...but some people love things alot you know what i mean mate.

Well thats the point isnt it mate.....like people saying a Turboed 2.6LT will be alot better then a VR4 4G63T...and all i was comtemplating was that it would probley cost me more to get a big rebuilt powered 2.6LT in the TR then it would a standard VR4 4G63T.

But yesh $15,000 is alot on any car...but some people love things alot you know what i mean mate.
To be honest, it'd cost about the same. Sogg spent about $7k all up on his conversion.

The 4G63T will probably generate more power, the 4G54T would be more tractable off boost, but you may be limited in overall power

$7000 is that including the engine parts and did he use all standard parts or did he rebuild the engine?

cause im talking pure standard into the TR no rebuild or anything maybe a new clutch,water pump,timing belt but thats about it.

But $7000 wouldnt be bad cause really wouldnt you be mad if you bought a TR magna brand new back in 91 and look how much you could sell them now?

Might aswell keep them and spend abit not worth selling them.

well im pretty sure as i was looking on ebay yday i saw a sigma turbo manifold for **** all. Could get it all done under 2k$ buying 2nd hand. Tuning is the expensive bit.

No, head will not bolt on, this has been discussed before.

If you had $10,000 - $15,000 why the **** would you be spending it on a magna/scorpion? :nuts:

Your name would be Paul to spend that cash on a magna lol

The TP boxs can handle quite a bit of a thrashing. TP parts are actually quite popular to stick on other cars. Ive heard of some car in Drift Australia that has TP brakes on it!!!

I reckon if its possible do the 4G63 conversion. Problem with a 4G54T (Astron II Turbo) would be what Hybrid VL said...you need to rebuild the entire block before you can do any work!

Your name would be Paul to spend that cash on a magna lol

The TP boxs can handle quite a bit of a thrashing. TP parts are actually quite popular to stick on other cars. Ive heard of some car in Drift Australia that has TP brakes on it!!!

I reckon if its possible do the 4G63 conversion. Problem with a 4G54T (Astron II Turbo) would be what Hybrid VL said...you need to rebuild the entire block before you can do any work!
Providing the motor's not already stuffed, and you're not planning to run more than about 10-12pounds, it will survive without a rebuild. And, any 4G63 you get off a half cut's going to need a rebuilt too, you'd be an idiot to not do it out of the car.

Your name would be Paul to spend that cash on a magna lol

The TP boxs can handle quite a bit of a thrashing. TP parts are actually quite popular to stick on other cars. Ive heard of some car in Drift Australia that has TP brakes on it!!!

I reckon if its possible do the 4G63 conversion. Problem with a 4G54T (Astron II Turbo) would be what Hybrid VL said...you need to rebuild the entire block before you can do any work!
Good ol' Paula :P

Yeah it's possible to do the 4G63 conversion, not doubting that, hell I was considering it if the price was right... Price wasn't right so I pissed that idea off. I've redone half my 4G54 :P I reckon its bottom end would be fine stock, should just stick a snail on there and see how my auto box holds up... Not bothering with an intercooler :P Bahahahhaha crazy.

But really a 4G63T will have so much more after market parts available to a Ashtron 2.6LT.
and by what i have seen bewteen both engine really i think the 4G63T is alot more reliable.

and if your talking about turbo the standard 2.6 NA in a TR like you would be able to run much boost.

What would really need to be modified in a TR magna to fit a 4G63T anyways.

But really a 4G63T will have so much more after market parts available to a Ashtron 2.6LT.
and by what i have seen bewteen both engine really i think the 4G63T is alot more reliable.


I agree for the parts statement, the 4G63's got a lot of aftermarket support, compared to the FWD Astron, which has not much. As for reliability, seriously, it comes down to maintainance and sanity. 90lbs of boost into something will cause any motor to go bang, for example.

90psi of boost if any1 is going to do that lol well u expect a blow out manz.

put the 4G63T and the Ashtron 2.6Lt next to each other and test the flowing of each engine as stock and then ask what engine would you perfer.

I bet most will pick the 4G63T just out of popularity.

90psi of boost if any1 is going to do that lol well u expect a blow out manz.

put the 4G63T and the Asstron 2.6Lt next to each other and test the flowing of each engine as stock and then ask what engine would you perfer.

I bet most will pick the 4G63T just out of popularity.

Fixed it for you :D

LOL yesh thats right lol.

Sorry my spelling is thats of a 3rd world country lol.

ASSTRON lol

But honestly guys out of the box the 4G63T would be so much easier to make power then a 2.6LT would any day and the cost to do it aswell will be lower.

But yesh i know putting the engine into a TR will be where you make up the price for each engines.

There are cars running 50+psi and i think diesel's can go higher again? Albeit they dont last long!LOL

well thats would be no good to anyone if they dont last long ive seen alot of 4G63T running over 200kwaw.

I know turbo upgardes and stuff would have to be made but ist reliability that convinces me to go 4G63T then turbo a NA ashtron.

But really what would you need to change or modify to fit the engine into the TR magna thats what i wanna know i have no why of measuring parts up or even see the differences between mounts and so on.

LOL was talking to a guy i met at a mates about this conversion lol he just told em to go SR20DET said he did it in a TR and it hammered i said alot of custom parts and he said nah we just put it in was like hmmmm ok and walked away lol blow ass.

How would you wen its all on the other side you would have to completey redo all the engine undercradle and every mounting point.

well thats would be no good to anyone if they dont last long ive seen alot of 4G63T running over 200kwaw.

I know turbo upgardes and stuff would have to be made but ist reliability that convinces me to go 4G63T then turbo a NA ashtron.

But really what would you need to change or modify to fit the engine into the TR magna thats what i wanna know i have no why of measuring parts up or even see the differences between mounts and so on.

LOL was talking to a guy i met at a mates about this conversion lol he just told em to go SR20DET said he did it in a TR and it hammered i said alot of custom parts and he said nah we just put it in was like hmmmm ok and walked away lol blow ass.

How would you wen its all on the other side you would have to completey redo all the engine undercradle and every mounting point.

I would like to see even one picture of an SR20DET magna....

There are cars running 50+psi and i think diesel's can go higher again? Albeit they dont last long!LOL

100psi fuel pressure through their fuel pumps

dunno about turbo diesels. Wouldnt be that different for the compression ignition as its the temp at a certain pressure to be reached and if they put in heavily compressed air itd preignite the mix.

Turbo diesels don't run anywhere near 50PSI boost. They run about 10 max.

Is your Astron in decent condition? If it is, you could whack a turbo on it, and it'll be fine. Remember, the 4G63 is going to be a lot slower off boost than an Astron, due to essentially the less capacity. If you had shares in a gearbox factory, whack a Positive displacement supercharger on the Astron motor...

well my 2.6lt engine has been rebuilt about 12 months ago and its going fine but i still dont think it has what it takes to be turboed like just say i did the auto wouldnt last long would it.

i would also have to run sometype of ECU to tune it and also i just wouldnt feel safe running turbo on the 2.6lt without some sort of comp ration lowering device eg.pistons or Comp plate.

What you guys think.

But when u look at it like the 4G63T Head would outflow the 2.6LT head it all comes down to turbo size aswell rear housing and the spool up times.

No point having an engine with 10.5:1 Comp and using a .86 rear housing turbo and having to run 12 psi to make 190 fwkw cause you would be able to on the compression of 10.5:1 would u ?

The Astron's only 9.0 to 1 in second gen EFI, so it's still quite turbo friendly.

Astron turbo guys like monga and Shagna have had troubles 'charging even with rebuilds so really it'll end up being more reliable and probably quicker then a rebuilt turbo-spec Astron.

Hmmm so really the only thing good about the 4G63T in a Magna TR is it will look mad?

LOL was talking to a guy i met at a mates about this conversion lol he just told em to go SR20DET said he did it in a TR and it hammered i said alot of custom parts and he said nah we just put it in was like hmmmm ok and walked away lol blow ass.

How would you wen its all on the other side you would have to completey redo all the engine undercradle and every mounting point.

People talk alot of ****.

The other day me and my brother were at a tire place getting some rubber fitted onto his 19"s We were just chilling in the car park and then this guy in an 87 supra rocked up.

He parked his car and walked into the office to book his car in ( while turbo timer was running turned off after a min or so )

He starts talking to us.

Guy: hey guys getting some rims on your car ?
Bro: nah mate just getting some tires put on my rims.
Bro: Nice car, is it N/A ?
Guy: Yeah ( i dont bother talking after this but my brother plays along )
Bro: Turbo ?
Guy: yeah twin turbo
Bro: Is it fast ?
Guy: Yeah its 200Kw. If you buy a $300 turbo filter it makes it 260Kw
Bro: ****, thats pretty good.
Guy: Im gonna sell it and buy a 396 Comaro
Bro: those things are pretty fast
Guy: They are 350hp with turbo

LOL some people would turn around and say ur full o **** and other like myself will just tune out and say yer yer really mad yer yer oh really mad.

lol

Yer ive heard it all Limted edition KE TX3 rear wheel drive,VL turbo with Momo Cut gears and ferrari gear sets 2.8 LT TX5 turbo Stroked 2.2 LT.

But the best i have ever heard in my life was a Twin Cam EFI carbie Corolla man that was the best LOL always gets a party started that saying lol.

LOL some people would turn around and say ur full o **** and other like myself will just tune out and say yer yer really mad yer yer oh really mad.

lol

Yer ive heard it all Limted edition KE TX3 rear wheel drive,VL turbo with Momo Cut gears and ferrari gear sets 2.8 LT TX5 turbo Stroked 2.2 LT.

But the best i have ever heard in my life was a Twin Cam EFI carbie Corolla man that was the best LOL always gets a party started that saying lol.

Well, what are you waiting for, find one of these T'd motors and drop it in already!

ill be looking 4 awhile....Or are you talking about the 4G63T into TR?

So if we've all finished the little circle-jerk we've got going here... Is anyone seriously planning on picking up the aforementioned motor and putting it in their car?

nah more fun to bicker on who is right/knows more. might as well just measure it. you know how it goes when they talk too much then more than likely it won't happen. not having a dig at the op just saying.

im not going to do it i dont have the cash to go buy engines and start trying to fit them into cars lol.

But i just thought id ask if its worth doing and so on as i did have the plan 2 do it awhile back.

But not anymore.

Be good to see if someone has done it.

People talk alot of ****.

The other day me and my brother were at a tire place getting some rubber fitted onto his 19"s We were just chilling in the car park and then this guy in an 87 supra rocked up.

He parked his car and walked into the office to book his car in ( while turbo timer was running turned off after a min or so )

He starts talking to us.

Guy: hey guys getting some rims on your car ?
Bro: nah mate just getting some tires put on my rims.
Bro: Nice car, is it N/A ?
Guy: Yeah ( i dont bother talking after this but my brother plays along )
Bro: Turbo ?
Guy: yeah twin turbo
Bro: Is it fast ?
Guy: Yeah its 200Kw. If you buy a $300 turbo filter it makes it 260Kw
Bro: ****, thats pretty good.
Guy: Im gonna sell it and buy a 396 Comaro
Bro: those things are pretty fast
Guy: They are 350hp with turbo

I can't really compete but there's a guy at my work who thinks his ancient (ford) XB panel van is 250kw and a 13 second car with a cam and carbie.. It's a baby V8 too, not even a 351, and it's a friggin 2 TON PANEL VAN YOU FREAKING IDIOT..

I can't really compete but there's a guy at my work who thinks his ancient (ford) XB panel van is 250kw and a 13 second car with a cam and carbie.. It's a baby V8 too, not even a 351, and it's a friggin 2 TON PANEL VAN YOU FREAKING IDIOT..
The 13 seconds he refers to is the time it takes to start the car :bowrofl:

Be good to see if someone has done it.

Not a 2nd gen but u get the idea, here's one of each for ya.

kool just lookig how it looks hmmm dosent look at all bad

But in a TR it will look better i like the Fat shape of the TR

wow the magna wagon in the second pic is mine holy .... amazing the pic's u see

yea got ur's mixed up with sogg's red wagon, didn't look at the pic properly before posting, his is red too. and yours is tele's old one i belive.

wow they look close .......... yeah i got tele's old one

my brother has a 4g63t with a 'capped' 4wd box from the half cut he brought. As far as gearboxes go, you definetely dont want the non turbo front wheel drive only version hanging off a 4g63t. He blew 3rd and 4th gear in his before he did the translplant. Currently 210fwkw with the capped vr4 box and 4 years down the track no wuckingforries

Thats not a trance plant.

This is a trance plant 35410

lol got rice i like that pic